中国船在中世纪时期是世界上最大的吗?
2021-07-18 Dextiny 19263
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Is it true that Chinese ships were the largest in the world during the Middle Ages?

中国船在中世纪时期是世界上最大的吗?

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Geren Nichols, former medicine career 前医药职业

upxed Mar 10
They may have been the largest but the claims they they successful built and sailed 400 foot long super ships, which disappered leaving no archaeologic evidence has to be a “Tall Ship Tale”.

它们也许是最大的,但是声称他们成功造出并开动了400英尺长的超级船,然后这些船消失了,没留下一点考古证据,这种说法只能是个“荒诞的帆船传说”。

Could you make such a ship? Usually ships are made on ways out of the water until a water tight hull is created. So there should be some evidence that such a shipyard existed. There is not.

你造得出这样一艘船吗?通常在造出防水船体之前,船不是在水里制造的。因此,应该有证据可以证明这种造船厂的存在。但是没有。

Nor is there any evidence of docks that size. There is evidence of a large arsenal at Nanking but it has no space as wide as the Treasure ship, nor with a 400 plus foot slope to launch a ship that size.

也没有任何证据证明有过这么大的船坞。有证据证明南京有过一个大型兵工厂,但是它的空间没有宝船那么宽,也没有400多英尺的斜坡供这么大的船下水。

Could you control that size ship in port? Currently 400′ ships coming into port require tugs or bow thrusters with at least a few hundred horse power and preferably thousands. In even a light wind just the side of a 400′ ship could generate a force that would overwhelm an oared “tugboat”.

你能在港口控制那个体量的船吗?目前400英尺长的船进港时需要至少几百匹马力的拖船或者船头推进器帮忙,最好是数千匹。即使是一阵轻风吹向400英尺长船的一侧,也能产生一股力,压倒一艘有船桨的“拖船”。

The sea can be a very hostile place and it breaks steel ships into pieces even now . You make a steel keel 1000′ long by building a steel box and welding it all together with welds that are as strong as the steel, mostly.

海洋是个非常凶险的地方,即使是现在也能把钢铁船拍成碎片。先建造钢箱,然后用和钢铁一样坚固的焊接缝将它们焊接在一起,才能造出一个1000英尺长的钢龙骨。
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How are you going to make a 400′ keel out of 100 foot trees? Splice 8 of them together with offset joins and connected them together with 4 inch diameter mahogany dowels? (These are called trunnels and are what was used for 250 foot ships but they are definitely weaker than the 12 by 12 beam.) That is not going to survive a gale. The forces of 20′ waves repetatively picking up and flexing a 400′ foot hull will crumple it into origami.

怎么用100英尺长的树干造出400英尺长的龙骨呢?把其中的8个用偏移接合来绞接在一起,再把它们用直径4英寸的红木暗榫连接起来?(这些叫做定缝销钉,用于250英尺长的船,但是它们绝对比12×12的梁木要弱。)它不可能捱得过一场大风。20英尺海浪的反复冲击和弯曲会把400英尺长的船体揉成折纸。

HMS Victory launched 1778 is 227 feet overall. Rebuilt because all wooden ships that size ‘hog' . This is about as big as they come in the days of iron men and wooden ships.

英国皇家海军胜利号1778年下水,总长227英尺。重建是因为所有这样大的木船都很屌。大概跟铁人和木船时代的一样大。

But there is archeologic evidence that Chinese shipwrights were world class.

但有考古证据表明,中国造船者是世界级的。

Manila galleon - Wikipedia was the pinnacle of ship building in the 16th century- most were build by Chinese shipyards in Manila.

马尼拉帆船是16世纪造船业的顶峰——它们大多数是由中国在马尼拉的造船厂建造的。
Adam Morley, UX/product consultant 用户体验/产品顾问

Answered Mar 2
Yes and much larger in antiquity as well. Go back through all of Chinese naval history and their ships just dwarf anything Europe had even centuries later.

是的,在古代也要大得多。纵观中国海军历史,他们的船令欧洲几个世纪后的任何船都相形见绌。

What the question is specifically talking about is the Ming Treasure fleets that sailed all the way to Africa in the 15th century.

这个问题具体要说到的是在15世纪一路驶往非洲的明朝宝船舰队。

This is a model of Zheng He's flagship.

这是郑和旗舰的模型。

Here it sailing next to his near contemporary Christopher Columbus. Columbus sailed about 50 years after Zheng He.

这是它航行在与他几乎同时代的克里斯托弗·哥伦布的船旁边。哥伦布大约在郑和之后50年才进行航海。

The Titanic was about twice as long but only half as wide.

泰坦尼克号是它的两倍长,但是只有一半宽。

These ships were designed to intimidate. I imagine they accomplished their goals. They were also armed with flamethrowers, cannon, bombs, etc. While excessive to say the least, these ships were meant to inspire awe. Nobody was ever going to see a fleet of massive ships like this approach and not completely lose their minds.

这些船的设计目的是威慑。我觉得他们达到了目的。他们还装备了喷火器、大炮、炸弹等等。虽然过分但至少可以这么说,这些船的目的是要使人们敬畏。没有人能目睹这样庞大的舰队而又不会完全失去理智。

Getting a lot of coast hugging detractors. Here's a map of the routes. They hugged the coast to visit but when practical hit open ocean.

有许多诋毁者说是近海船。这个是路线图。他们靠岸访问,但在需要时驶入外海。

And for those who are stating the ships were not really that big, they are well recorded by not only Chinese but also by the people they visited. Indians, Malaysians,Egyptians, Ethiopians, etc all wrote about them. And we also have pieces of the ships and the shipyard excavations.

致那些声称船并没有那么大的人,它们不仅被中国人记录了下来,而且也被它们拜访过的人们记录了。印度人、马来西亚人、埃及人、埃塞俄比亚人等都记载过它们。而且我们还有船只残骸和船坞出土。
Tony Scolaro, BS/MS Engineering, University of Notre Dame 诺特丹大学工程学学士/硕士

Answered Mar 2
Actually poorly phrased question. Not all Chinese ships were larger than any others in the middle ages. The largest ships in the middle ages were Chinese, this is well documented. Some Roman ships in antiquity may have been larger.

这个问题问得不好。并非所有中国船都比中世纪的其他船大。中世纪最大的船是中国的,这点是有详细记载的。一些古罗马船只可能更大。

If you are interested in more detail this is a good place to start: Zheng He - Wikipedia

如果你想知道更多详情,可以从这里着手:郑和-维基百科
Cedric Chiu, Radar Engineer working on Weapons 武器雷达工程师

Answered Mar 3
Maybe (we don't really know because Ming Dynasty destroyed all of Zen-He's records).

也许是吧。(我们不知道,因为明朝摧毁了郑和所有记录)。

But it shows that the Chinese don't really know how to make voyage on the high-seas, and are rather low in the seafaring technology. The currently speculated models of these "huge ships" are poorly designed ships that are going to be restricted to near-land voyages.

但是资料显示中国人并不知道如何在公海航行,而且航海技术相当低下。目前推测的这些“巨轮”模型设计很糟糕,会被限制在近海航行。
Lai Jin Wei, reads a lot of books 读很多书

Answered Mar 2
Yes, one could say that the Chinese were rulers of the sea as well. Take the ming dynasty explorer, Zheng He. His ships were much larger than the santa maria.

是的,你也可以说中国人那时候是海洋统治者。比如明朝的探险家郑和。他的船比圣玛利亚号大多了。
Adam Frank, studied Computer Science at Rochester Institute of Technology 曾在罗切斯特理工学院学习计算机科学

Answered Mar 2
When the chinese junk ships were made, they were the largest ships ever made to date. They were not used extensively or throughout the entirety of the Middle Ages, but they built and subsequently dismantled some very large ships

当中国帆船造出来时,它们是当时所能造出的最大的船。它们没有被广泛使用,或者没有在整个中世纪时期使用,但他们造出来了,随后又拆除了一些非常大的船。
Paul Harrison, archaeologist 考古学家

Answered Mar 2
Zheng He's largest ships could have carried Chris Columbus ships as life rafts

郑和最大的船可以把克里斯·哥伦布的船当作救生艇一样运载着。

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