韩国人真的相信他们有5000年的历史吗？权威证据是什么？
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Do Koreans believe they have 5000 years history seriously? And what is its authority?
韩国人真的相信他们有5000年的历史吗？权威证据是什么？
韩国人真的相信他们有5000年的历史吗？权威证据是什么？
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Walter J. Kline
Yes, but I don’t believe them. All of the oldest civilizations began around gigantic rivers. Nile river, Euphrates river and Tigris river, Yellow river and Yangtze river, Indus river are the examples. Curiously, we don’t see this along the Amazon river, I think. Systems of writing, agriculture, and use of metals forged into weapons developed in these regions, and people from there regions were the most powerful people groups. The Koreans did not start out in the Korean peninsula. They started somewhere in present day Northeast China. The huge river basin is not there. But, the Koreans do state that they started out as nomads. Nomad - Wikipedia
They didn’t have their own writing system until 1443, but it is a very efficient writing system. Hangul - Wikipedia
是的，但我不相信。所有最古老的文明都起源于巨大的河流，以尼罗河、幼发拉底河、底格里斯河、黄河、长江、印度河为例。奇怪的是，我们在亚马逊河沿岸却没有发现古老的文明。在这些地区诞生了文字、农业，还使用金属制作武器，这些地区的人民是最强大的集体。韩国人不是从朝鲜半岛起源的，他们是从今天中国东北的某个地方开始起源的。那里没有巨大的河流。但是，韩国人确实声明他们最初是游牧民族（参考维基百科）
他们直到1443年才有自己的书写系统，但这是一个非常有效的书写系统。（朝鲜文-维基百科）
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Yes, but I don’t believe them. All of the oldest civilizations began around gigantic rivers. Nile river, Euphrates river and Tigris river, Yellow river and Yangtze river, Indus river are the examples. Curiously, we don’t see this along the Amazon river, I think. Systems of writing, agriculture, and use of metals forged into weapons developed in these regions, and people from there regions were the most powerful people groups. The Koreans did not start out in the Korean peninsula. They started somewhere in present day Northeast China. The huge river basin is not there. But, the Koreans do state that they started out as nomads. Nomad - Wikipedia
They didn’t have their own writing system until 1443, but it is a very efficient writing system. Hangul - Wikipedia
是的，但我不相信。所有最古老的文明都起源于巨大的河流，以尼罗河、幼发拉底河、底格里斯河、黄河、长江、印度河为例。奇怪的是，我们在亚马逊河沿岸却没有发现古老的文明。在这些地区诞生了文字、农业，还使用金属制作武器，这些地区的人民是最强大的集体。韩国人不是从朝鲜半岛起源的，他们是从今天中国东北的某个地方开始起源的。那里没有巨大的河流。但是，韩国人确实声明他们最初是游牧民族（参考维基百科）
他们直到1443年才有自己的书写系统，但这是一个非常有效的书写系统。（朝鲜文-维基百科）
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This is the evidence the Koreans cite to assert their 5000 year old history. They center around 2 artifacts. 고인돌, and 한국식 세형동검. These are , Dolmen - Wikipedia and the Bronze age sword. However, these artifacts are also found in many other human culture groups.
这就是韩国人用来证明他们5000年历史的证据。他们以2件文物为中心。古石和铜剑。这些是古代的石墓和青铜时代的剑。然而，这些文物也在许多其他人类文化中也有发现。
这就是韩国人用来证明他们5000年历史的证据。他们以2件文物为中心。古石和铜剑。这些是古代的石墓和青铜时代的剑。然而，这些文物也在许多其他人类文化中也有发现。
Other than that, I don’t think there is a lot of solid evidence. Notably, the Koreans do not have a history that dates back earlier than 57BC. However, the written history book to say so, was written in 1145AD. Samguk sagi - Wikipedia
除此之外，我认为没有更多确凿的证据。值得注意的是，韩国人没有早于公元前57年的历史，或者可以这么说，公元1145年完成的历史书上没有早于公元前57年的记载。
除此之外，我认为没有更多确凿的证据。值得注意的是，韩国人没有早于公元前57年的历史，或者可以这么说，公元1145年完成的历史书上没有早于公元前57年的记载。
Although, this book was written with some data that is already existing in Chinese history books, such as Book of the Later Han - Wikipedia. Which was written around 500AD. Although, the Koreans cite that they are mentioned as the Dongyi - Wikipedia in earlier Chinese history records.
I think the evidence is weak.
尽管如此，这本书是用一些已经存在于中国历史书籍中的数据写的，比如说后来的汉书。汉书是大约在公元500年写的。虽然，韩国人声称他们在中国早期的历史记录中被称为东夷-维基百科。
但我仍然认为证据不足。
I think the evidence is weak.
尽管如此，这本书是用一些已经存在于中国历史书籍中的数据写的，比如说后来的汉书。汉书是大约在公元500年写的。虽然，韩国人声称他们在中国早期的历史记录中被称为东夷-维基百科。
但我仍然认为证据不足。
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Mark Johnston, lived in South Korea (2009-2010)
The video in question is a little odd, but not inaccurate.
这个视频有点奇怪，但不准确。
Mark Johnston, lived in South Korea (2009-2010)
The video in question is a little odd, but not inaccurate.
这个视频有点奇怪，但不准确。
The Korean peninsula has been continuously populated by humans since the neolithic period and has had a continuous written history since at least 2300BCE. Korea's own history is well corroborated by archaeology, linguistic evidence, and external histories, such as China's and Japan's.
自新石器时代以来，朝鲜半岛一直人口稠密，至少从公元前2300年开始，朝鲜半岛就有着连续的书写历史。韩国自身的历史被考古学、语言证据和外部历史（如中国和日本）很好地证实。
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自新石器时代以来，朝鲜半岛一直人口稠密，至少从公元前2300年开始，朝鲜半岛就有着连续的书写历史。韩国自身的历史被考古学、语言证据和外部历史（如中国和日本）很好地证实。
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No one claims that the modern Republic of Korea (or "Democratic" "People's" "Republic" of Korea) dates back 5000 years. The Korean peninsula has been home to many civilizations, kingdoms, and dynasties, each different than the other. The cultures of ancient Korea had different culture, language, and identity than modern Korea, but it's not wrong to think of it as a contiguous civilization.
没有人声称现代大韩民国可以追溯到5000年前。朝鲜半岛是许多文明、王国和朝代的发源地，它们各不相同。古代韩国的文化与现代韩国的文化、语言和身份是不同的，但把它看作是一个连续的文明并不是错的。
没有人声称现代大韩民国可以追溯到5000年前。朝鲜半岛是许多文明、王国和朝代的发源地，它们各不相同。古代韩国的文化与现代韩国的文化、语言和身份是不同的，但把它看作是一个连续的文明并不是错的。
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Andrew Lee, I am Korean
that is a pretty funny and corny video. it says goguryeo’s dream passed down 1000 years, but that country existed 2000 years ago. even China does not have 5000 years history as we cannot really read what those turtle shells of Shang dynasty said. history means recorded in writing. while there are very very early mentions of Korean society in ancient Chinese texts which imply they already had a fairly developed society, they did not however had writing in this time.
Korean imperial civilization, meaning there was a King class, started a little over 2000 years ago, before that Korea was more of a tribal/clan confederacy, very much like the xiongnu/hunnu (proto-mongol) confederacy.
Andrew Lee, 我是韩国人
这是一个非常有趣并且老土的视频。它说高句丽的梦想流传了1000年，但这个国家只在2000年前存在。即使是中国也没有5000年的历史，因为我们不能真正读懂商代甲骨文所说的话。历史就是用文字记录的。虽然中国古代文献中很早就提到韩国社会，这意味着当时他们已经有了一个相当发达的社会，但他们在这一时期并没有自己书写历史。
朝鲜帝国文明，也就是说从有国王开始，始于2000多年前，在此之前，朝鲜更像是一个部落/部落联盟，非常像匈奴/匈奴（原蒙古人）联盟。
Andrew Lee, I am Korean
that is a pretty funny and corny video. it says goguryeo’s dream passed down 1000 years, but that country existed 2000 years ago. even China does not have 5000 years history as we cannot really read what those turtle shells of Shang dynasty said. history means recorded in writing. while there are very very early mentions of Korean society in ancient Chinese texts which imply they already had a fairly developed society, they did not however had writing in this time.
Korean imperial civilization, meaning there was a King class, started a little over 2000 years ago, before that Korea was more of a tribal/clan confederacy, very much like the xiongnu/hunnu (proto-mongol) confederacy.
Andrew Lee, 我是韩国人
这是一个非常有趣并且老土的视频。它说高句丽的梦想流传了1000年，但这个国家只在2000年前存在。即使是中国也没有5000年的历史，因为我们不能真正读懂商代甲骨文所说的话。历史就是用文字记录的。虽然中国古代文献中很早就提到韩国社会，这意味着当时他们已经有了一个相当发达的社会，但他们在这一时期并没有自己书写历史。
朝鲜帝国文明，也就是说从有国王开始，始于2000多年前，在此之前，朝鲜更像是一个部落/部落联盟，非常像匈奴/匈奴（原蒙古人）联盟。
In this sense, yes Korea has a very long history, with barley carbon dated from 8000 years ago as trade goods from China. much like China, Mongolia, and much of the region, Korea had a very very long continuous line of society.
This is usually what Asian people mean when they say x years of history. also in Asian culture a number, usually big numbers, are not literal, but figurative. for example 100 = a moderate amount 1000 a lot 10,000 = limitless, for example old texts will say “take 100 steps before and after breakfast” they are not saying to actually count 100 steps, it means like 10 - 30 minutes based on how you are feeling, how the weather is, etc. its context based meaning.
从这个意义上说，是的，韩国有着很长的历史，我们发现的8000年前的大麦，这是来自中国的贸易商品。就像中国、蒙古以及该地区的大部分地区一样，韩国社会有着非常长的连续性。
这通常就是亚洲人说“X年历史”的意思。同样，在亚洲文化中，一个数字，通常是大数字，不是文字表面的意思，而是比喻。例如，100=中等数量，1000表示很多，10000=无限，例如，旧书里面会说“早餐前后走100步”，他们并不是说要实际计算100步，而是说，根据你的感觉、天气情况等，走10-30分钟，这才是它的上下文的意思。
This is usually what Asian people mean when they say x years of history. also in Asian culture a number, usually big numbers, are not literal, but figurative. for example 100 = a moderate amount 1000 a lot 10,000 = limitless, for example old texts will say “take 100 steps before and after breakfast” they are not saying to actually count 100 steps, it means like 10 - 30 minutes based on how you are feeling, how the weather is, etc. its context based meaning.
从这个意义上说，是的，韩国有着很长的历史，我们发现的8000年前的大麦，这是来自中国的贸易商品。就像中国、蒙古以及该地区的大部分地区一样，韩国社会有着非常长的连续性。
这通常就是亚洲人说“X年历史”的意思。同样，在亚洲文化中，一个数字，通常是大数字，不是文字表面的意思，而是比喻。例如，100=中等数量，1000表示很多，10000=无限，例如，旧书里面会说“早餐前后走100步”，他们并不是说要实际计算100步，而是说，根据你的感觉、天气情况等，走10-30分钟，这才是它的上下文的意思。
so while this sounds ridiculous, if you watch the video they do put dates of kingdoms which are fairly accurate, with the kingdom being a little over 2000 years old which is pretty accurate give or take 100 years.
Confucious was around like 600BC, Korea had a very simple tribal life during this time. records show Koreans enjoyed fishing, going up the mountains to gather foods, had good herbs, and ate salted and fermented foods. Maybe Confucious wanted to live there, maybe he didn’t, I don’t know if there is any record which states that, however Korea was not the warring peoples that plagued what is now China during this time. While this may have been a nice reason for anyone to want to move away, the impliation of the video is rather strange. China was not an enjoyable place for Confucious, probably he would rather have lived anywhere else. and as his home country was right neighboring Korea, it may have been geographical preference to live somehwere without war that is close to his hometown.
所以尽管这听起来很荒谬，但如果你看视频，他们把王国的日期放在了相当准确的地方，而王国的历史超过2000年，这是相当准确的，误差不超过100年。
孔子大约在公元前600年左右，朝鲜在这段时间过着非常简单的部落生活。记录显示，韩国人喜欢钓鱼，上山采集食物，吃草药，吃咸的和发酵的食物。也许孔子想住在那里，也许他不想，我不知道是否有任何记录表明，然而，在这个时期，朝鲜并没有那些饱受战乱的人们，就像当时的中国那样。虽然这可能是任何人想要离开的一个很好的理由，但视频的假设是相当奇怪的。对于儒家来说，中国不是一个令人愉快的地方，也许他宁愿住在别的地方。由于他的祖国正好与韩国相邻，所以他可能会选择住在离家乡很近的没有战争的地方。
Confucious was around like 600BC, Korea had a very simple tribal life during this time. records show Koreans enjoyed fishing, going up the mountains to gather foods, had good herbs, and ate salted and fermented foods. Maybe Confucious wanted to live there, maybe he didn’t, I don’t know if there is any record which states that, however Korea was not the warring peoples that plagued what is now China during this time. While this may have been a nice reason for anyone to want to move away, the impliation of the video is rather strange. China was not an enjoyable place for Confucious, probably he would rather have lived anywhere else. and as his home country was right neighboring Korea, it may have been geographical preference to live somehwere without war that is close to his hometown.
所以尽管这听起来很荒谬，但如果你看视频，他们把王国的日期放在了相当准确的地方，而王国的历史超过2000年，这是相当准确的，误差不超过100年。
孔子大约在公元前600年左右，朝鲜在这段时间过着非常简单的部落生活。记录显示，韩国人喜欢钓鱼，上山采集食物，吃草药，吃咸的和发酵的食物。也许孔子想住在那里，也许他不想，我不知道是否有任何记录表明，然而，在这个时期，朝鲜并没有那些饱受战乱的人们，就像当时的中国那样。虽然这可能是任何人想要离开的一个很好的理由，但视频的假设是相当奇怪的。对于儒家来说，中国不是一个令人愉快的地方，也许他宁愿住在别的地方。由于他的祖国正好与韩国相邻，所以他可能会选择住在离家乡很近的没有战争的地方。
I mean this was not an unusual pattern, Li Er (Lao Zi) of Taoism rode an ox over into tibet or mongolia. he was more hermit like than Confucious who endured hardship to change the political structure of the land. if he cared less, like Lao Zi did, he might have rode an ox over to Korea who knows?
in terms of History, a fairly accurate and clear written and well preserved history starts around 100BC-400AD or so. However the history that Korea does have, is very well kept, as they did not have so many turn-overs in power like China did, nor the major shift towards westernization that Japan and China did which saw them burn many many books and historical texts and religious things. Korea kept all those things.
central Asian history like proto-mongolian history is actually longer than China, as they used sandscrit. but records are not plentiful or very good. China has very long history, but lot of it is lost, Korea has less history, but it is well preseved.
我的意思是，这不是不可能的，道教的李耳（老子）骑着牛进入西藏或蒙古。他更像隐士，而不像儒家那样，儒家努力地改变了这篇土地的政治结构。如果孔子也像老子那样不在乎，他可能会骑着牛去韩国，谁知道呢？
从历史上看，一部相当准确、清晰、保存完好的历史大约始于公元前100-400年左右。然而，朝鲜的历史保存得很好，因为他们没有像中国那样有那么多的政权交替，也没有像日本和中国那样向西化方向的重大转变，这一转变使他们烧毁了许多书籍、历史文献和宗教物品。韩国保留了所有这些东西。
中亚的历史，如原始蒙古的历史，实际上比中国要长，他们将历史记录到沙砾上。但记录并不丰富，也不很好。中国有很长的历史，但很多都丢失了，韩国有较少的历史，但它保存的很好。
in terms of History, a fairly accurate and clear written and well preserved history starts around 100BC-400AD or so. However the history that Korea does have, is very well kept, as they did not have so many turn-overs in power like China did, nor the major shift towards westernization that Japan and China did which saw them burn many many books and historical texts and religious things. Korea kept all those things.
central Asian history like proto-mongolian history is actually longer than China, as they used sandscrit. but records are not plentiful or very good. China has very long history, but lot of it is lost, Korea has less history, but it is well preseved.
我的意思是，这不是不可能的，道教的李耳（老子）骑着牛进入西藏或蒙古。他更像隐士，而不像儒家那样，儒家努力地改变了这篇土地的政治结构。如果孔子也像老子那样不在乎，他可能会骑着牛去韩国，谁知道呢？
从历史上看，一部相当准确、清晰、保存完好的历史大约始于公元前100-400年左右。然而，朝鲜的历史保存得很好，因为他们没有像中国那样有那么多的政权交替，也没有像日本和中国那样向西化方向的重大转变，这一转变使他们烧毁了许多书籍、历史文献和宗教物品。韩国保留了所有这些东西。
中亚的历史，如原始蒙古的历史，实际上比中国要长，他们将历史记录到沙砾上。但记录并不丰富，也不很好。中国有很长的历史，但很多都丢失了，韩国有较少的历史，但它保存的很好。
Kim Benk, former Esl Teacher(retired)
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A little exagerated but I think at least 4000 years of history in Korea existed. As a Korean kid growing up
I was told that our ancestor was a female bear who became a woman and married a semi-god like figure. Of course it was a folklore myth like the Greeks and the ancient Vietnamese who believed that they were descended from a dragon and a pheonix.
I think because China has 5000 yrs of written history and beyond and Korea used to be part of China about 3,000~4,000 yrs ago. (Not sure when exactly) but then China was consisting many small counries and so was Korea. In the pennsula there used to be 5 different countries and later 3 kingdoms that had wars with one another fot thausands of years. The united Korea took place on,y 2 times and each dynasty lasted about 500 years each until the modern seperation of North and South. So at least 3,000 years of written history. (My family has a family tree book that decorded up to about 3000 years ago in details. I translated some of it and presented to my history teacher in the usa and he was quite surprised to read the chart of my family tree during the past 3,000 years. Our family comes from the 1st of the 9 wives under King Suro but no record beyond him. We still have annual ceremonies with about 5,000 active members among the list of 50,000 descendants.
有点恼火，但我认为韩国至少有4000年的历史。我是在韩国长大的孩子。
我听说我们的祖先是一只母熊，她变成了一个女人，嫁给了一个半神的人物。当然，这是一个民间传说神话，就像希腊人和古代越南人相信他们是龙和凤凰的后裔。
我想是因为中国有5000多年的记载历史，而且韩国在大约3000到4000年前曾经是中国的一部分。（不确定具体时间）但当时中国是由许多小国家组成的，韩国也是。在半岛，过去有5个不同的国家，后来有3个王国，相互之间进行了多年的战争。朝鲜的统一发生过2次，每个朝代持续约500年，直到现代南北才分离。所以至少有3000年的记载历史。我家里有一本家谱，上面大约在3000年前就有了详细的记载。我翻译了一些，并介绍给我在美国的历史老师，他很惊讶地看到了我的3000年的家谱图。我们的家族来自苏禄国王9个妻子中的第一个，但除了他没有其他记录。在50000名后代中，我们每年仍有约5000名活跃成员参加仪式。
Answered Fri
A little exagerated but I think at least 4000 years of history in Korea existed. As a Korean kid growing up
I was told that our ancestor was a female bear who became a woman and married a semi-god like figure. Of course it was a folklore myth like the Greeks and the ancient Vietnamese who believed that they were descended from a dragon and a pheonix.
I think because China has 5000 yrs of written history and beyond and Korea used to be part of China about 3,000~4,000 yrs ago. (Not sure when exactly) but then China was consisting many small counries and so was Korea. In the pennsula there used to be 5 different countries and later 3 kingdoms that had wars with one another fot thausands of years. The united Korea took place on,y 2 times and each dynasty lasted about 500 years each until the modern seperation of North and South. So at least 3,000 years of written history. (My family has a family tree book that decorded up to about 3000 years ago in details. I translated some of it and presented to my history teacher in the usa and he was quite surprised to read the chart of my family tree during the past 3,000 years. Our family comes from the 1st of the 9 wives under King Suro but no record beyond him. We still have annual ceremonies with about 5,000 active members among the list of 50,000 descendants.
有点恼火，但我认为韩国至少有4000年的历史。我是在韩国长大的孩子。
我听说我们的祖先是一只母熊，她变成了一个女人，嫁给了一个半神的人物。当然，这是一个民间传说神话，就像希腊人和古代越南人相信他们是龙和凤凰的后裔。
我想是因为中国有5000多年的记载历史，而且韩国在大约3000到4000年前曾经是中国的一部分。（不确定具体时间）但当时中国是由许多小国家组成的，韩国也是。在半岛，过去有5个不同的国家，后来有3个王国，相互之间进行了多年的战争。朝鲜的统一发生过2次，每个朝代持续约500年，直到现代南北才分离。所以至少有3000年的记载历史。我家里有一本家谱，上面大约在3000年前就有了详细的记载。我翻译了一些，并介绍给我在美国的历史老师，他很惊讶地看到了我的3000年的家谱图。我们的家族来自苏禄国王9个妻子中的第一个，但除了他没有其他记录。在50000名后代中，我们每年仍有约5000名活跃成员参加仪式。
Charly Lee, former Leader at Samsung Electro-Mechanics (2003-2011)
It’s more than 5000 years. You stupido.
5000 years are even half.
We ruled the whole world already till the 19th century.
Italia, Ostria, Turkey didn’t stab us in the back. May fortune be
with you. God will take care of you. Remember, sons of Romans.
Open your eyes and see who your enemies are.
The Koreans are willing to help your country.
Long lives other Asian countries except for Russia, Japan, China.
Hail Hitler! The true, original suprem Arians will rise again!
Charly Lee，前三星领导
已经有5000多年了。你这个笨蛋。
5000年甚至是一半。
我们统治了整个世界一直到19世纪。
意大利，奥地利，土耳其没有在背后捅我们。祝你好运。
上帝会照顾你的。记住，罗马人的儿子们。
睁开你的眼睛，看看你的敌人是谁。
韩国人愿意帮助你们的国家。
除俄罗斯、日本、中国外，其他亚洲国家都万岁。
Hail Hitler! 真正的，原始的超现实主义者将再次崛起！
It’s more than 5000 years. You stupido.
5000 years are even half.
We ruled the whole world already till the 19th century.
Italia, Ostria, Turkey didn’t stab us in the back. May fortune be
with you. God will take care of you. Remember, sons of Romans.
Open your eyes and see who your enemies are.
The Koreans are willing to help your country.
Long lives other Asian countries except for Russia, Japan, China.
Hail Hitler! The true, original suprem Arians will rise again!
Charly Lee，前三星领导
已经有5000多年了。你这个笨蛋。
5000年甚至是一半。
我们统治了整个世界一直到19世纪。
意大利，奥地利，土耳其没有在背后捅我们。祝你好运。
上帝会照顾你的。记住，罗马人的儿子们。
睁开你的眼睛，看看你的敌人是谁。
韩国人愿意帮助你们的国家。
除俄罗斯、日本、中国外，其他亚洲国家都万岁。
Hail Hitler! 真正的，原始的超现实主义者将再次崛起！
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