英国的网友来说一下，在你们高中是怎么描绘不列颠殖民主义的？
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I am from one of the commonwealth countries and have always been taught how British colonialism was devastating for the country. Having said that, I understand that each country will have their own viewpoints on historical events and I would like to know the other side and weed out any inaccuracies that I might have learnt growing up. I tried to google it to no avail. Feel free to point to a book so I may educate myself. Thanks.
我来自英联邦国家，一直被教导不列颠殖民主义对我们国家的摧残。不过，我也能理解各个国家对历史事件都有自己的看法，因此我想从另一个视角了解一下，剔除我成长过程中学到的可能不对的地方。我用谷歌搜了一下，没什么好答案。或者提供一些书籍让我学习一下。感激不尽。
I am from one of the commonwealth countries and have always been taught how British colonialism was devastating for the country. Having said that, I understand that each country will have their own viewpoints on historical events and I would like to know the other side and weed out any inaccuracies that I might have learnt growing up. I tried to google it to no avail. Feel free to point to a book so I may educate myself. Thanks.我来自英联邦国家，一直被教导不列颠殖民主义对我们国家的摧残。不过，我也能理解各个国家对历史事件都有自己的看法，因此我想从另一个视角了解一下，剔除我成长过程中学到的可能不对的地方。我用谷歌搜了一下，没什么好答案。或者提供一些书籍让我学习一下。感激不尽。
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sirhobbles
Most of the history i remember was oddly localized. More about the sequence of events within the british isles themselves. While what very little of what we learnt about british colonialism was the large scale conquest of peoples who mostly couldnt realy defend themselves and it was often brutal and bloody which was helped by primitive and often racist ideas about different peoples.
That said, not much was said about it. most of our taught history was the history of the uk itself. Saxons, Romans, vikings, (not much on medeival), tudors, georgians, victorians, WW1 WW2.
有点奇怪，我记得大部分历史都是本土的历史，基本都是不列颠群岛内部的历史事件。对英国殖民主义，我们学得很少，也就是英国大规模征服了很多人，这些人无法保护自己，出于对不同民族的原始且种族主义的思想，这种征服往往是残酷、血腥的。
关于这部分没有多少内容。我们教的历史大部分都是英国本身的。然后是撒克逊人、罗马人、维京人、都铎、乔治亚、维多利亚、第一次世界大战和第二次世界大战这些。
Most of the history i remember was oddly localized. More about the sequence of events within the british isles themselves. While what very little of what we learnt about british colonialism was the large scale conquest of peoples who mostly couldnt realy defend themselves and it was often brutal and bloody which was helped by primitive and often racist ideas about different peoples.
That said, not much was said about it. most of our taught history was the history of the uk itself. Saxons, Romans, vikings, (not much on medeival), tudors, georgians, victorians, WW1 WW2.
有点奇怪，我记得大部分历史都是本土的历史，基本都是不列颠群岛内部的历史事件。对英国殖民主义，我们学得很少，也就是英国大规模征服了很多人，这些人无法保护自己，出于对不同民族的原始且种族主义的思想，这种征服往往是残酷、血腥的。
关于这部分没有多少内容。我们教的历史大部分都是英国本身的。然后是撒克逊人、罗马人、维京人、都铎、乔治亚、维多利亚、第一次世界大战和第二次世界大战这些。
MaterialCarrot
This makes me recall the London Summer Olympics opening ceremonies. Like most opening ceremonies a major theme of it was the history of the host country. I remember laughing at the time because they got to around the 16th/17th Century and it was like, "The age of discovery!" And then very quickly transitioned to the World Wars, lol. I remember an announcer remarking that the planners had taken pains to try and not offend the visiting countries, so many of which had been conquered by the UK at one time or another.
Personally, I think it's important to acknowledge the positives as well as the negatives of your imperial legacy.
这让我想起伦敦夏季奥运会开幕式。像大多数开幕式一样，它的主题之一就是主办国的历史。我记得当时我笑了，因为他们展示16-17世纪的时候还像是在说“这是发现的时代!”， 然后很快就过渡到了世界大战，哈哈。我记得一个主持人说，主办方尽量不冒犯到参赛的国家，然而太多国家曾经被英国征服过了。
就我个人而言，我认为重要的是承认你们帝国遗留的正面和负面影响。
This makes me recall the London Summer Olympics opening ceremonies. Like most opening ceremonies a major theme of it was the history of the host country. I remember laughing at the time because they got to around the 16th/17th Century and it was like, "The age of discovery!" And then very quickly transitioned to the World Wars, lol. I remember an announcer remarking that the planners had taken pains to try and not offend the visiting countries, so many of which had been conquered by the UK at one time or another.
Personally, I think it's important to acknowledge the positives as well as the negatives of your imperial legacy.
这让我想起伦敦夏季奥运会开幕式。像大多数开幕式一样，它的主题之一就是主办国的历史。我记得当时我笑了，因为他们展示16-17世纪的时候还像是在说“这是发现的时代!”， 然后很快就过渡到了世界大战，哈哈。我记得一个主持人说，主办方尽量不冒犯到参赛的国家，然而太多国家曾经被英国征服过了。
就我个人而言，我认为重要的是承认你们帝国遗留的正面和负面影响。
MadLadEnzo
That is interesting. Was the end of colonialism ever covered? Was it due to the rebellions or because the colonies weren’t worth having anymore?
这很有趣。你们有教过殖民主义的终结吗？是因为叛乱还是因为殖民地不再值得拥有了？
That is interesting. Was the end of colonialism ever covered? Was it due to the rebellions or because the colonies weren’t worth having anymore?
这很有趣。你们有教过殖民主义的终结吗？是因为叛乱还是因为殖民地不再值得拥有了？
SeleucusNikator1
In my school, colonialism was covered at its apex (scramble for Africa especially), but the decline of it was overshadowed by the USA and Soviet unx's Cold War conflicts. We learned about the Berlin blockade, Cuban revolution, Chinese cultural revolution, etc. but never learned anything about the Malayan Emergency or India-Pakistan partition.
在我们学校，殖民主义的鼎盛时期（特别是对非洲的争夺）是有的，但它的衰落被美、苏冷战冲突盖过去了。我们学了柏林封锁、古巴革命、中国WG等，但关于马来亚紧急状态时期和印巴分治一点都没有。
In my school, colonialism was covered at its apex (scramble for Africa especially), but the decline of it was overshadowed by the USA and Soviet unx's Cold War conflicts. We learned about the Berlin blockade, Cuban revolution, Chinese cultural revolution, etc. but never learned anything about the Malayan Emergency or India-Pakistan partition.
在我们学校，殖民主义的鼎盛时期（特别是对非洲的争夺）是有的，但它的衰落被美、苏冷战冲突盖过去了。我们学了柏林封锁、古巴革命、中国WG等，但关于马来亚紧急状态时期和印巴分治一点都没有。
CountZapolai
For me personally? It wasn't, at all, in any way, even in passing.
My school history was Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Tudors, Industrial Revolution, more Tudors, WW1, Nazis & Soviets, yet more Tudors, even more Tudors again.
That was the 1990s, mind, so I wouldn't be surprised if things have changed a bit now.
就我个人来说，完全没有。
我们学校教的历史是罗马人、盎格鲁撒克逊人、维京人、都铎王朝、工业革命、又是都铎王朝、第一次世界大战、纳粹和苏联，然后再来都铎王朝，接着还是都铎王朝。
那是1990年代的情况，所以如果现在变了我也不会奇怪。
For me personally? It wasn't, at all, in any way, even in passing.
My school history was Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Tudors, Industrial Revolution, more Tudors, WW1, Nazis & Soviets, yet more Tudors, even more Tudors again.
That was the 1990s, mind, so I wouldn't be surprised if things have changed a bit now.
就我个人来说，完全没有。
我们学校教的历史是罗马人、盎格鲁撒克逊人、维京人、都铎王朝、工业革命、又是都铎王朝、第一次世界大战、纳粹和苏联，然后再来都铎王朝，接着还是都铎王朝。
那是1990年代的情况，所以如果现在变了我也不会奇怪。
feudal_age
This was basically my experience and I started high school in 2007. We also did a lot on peasants and other "normal" people and a decent amount on WW2.
我在2007年开始上高中，我的情况也基本上是这样。我们在农民和其他“普通人”身上教了很多，还有二战。
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This was basically my experience and I started high school in 2007. We also did a lot on peasants and other "normal" people and a decent amount on WW2.
我在2007年开始上高中，我的情况也基本上是这样。我们在农民和其他“普通人”身上教了很多，还有二战。
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CountZapolai
Guess not so different then!
Honestly, the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that the UK's history curriculum today was written almost entirely by two groups:
English Victorian Protestant missionaries: hence the importance of the Tudor Reformation (fuck the Pope!) and the Industrial Reformation (Protestant Work Ethic!) and the omission of the Civil War (not easy to make Cromwell look like a moderate conservative monarchist) or our long history as a Catholic country (all a bit embarassing).
The old-guard generation of 1960s historians, hence the importance of Nazis & Soviets but the omission of the Cold War.
And no-one's every got round to updating it. Honestly, that's... really not good, TBH
看来大家都差不多！
说实话，我越看越觉得现在的英国历史课程几乎都是由两群人编写的:
1、英国维多利亚新教传教士：因此都铎改革（去TM的教皇）和工业改革的比重很大，然后省略了内战（让克伦威尔看起来不那么像一个温和的保守君主主义者），还有我们作为一个天主教国家的悠久历史（有点尴尬）。
2、1960年代顽固派历史学家，因此纳粹和苏联的的比重很大，但忽略了冷战。
没人会花时间去更新这些内容，老实说，这……真的不好。
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Guess not so different then!
Honestly, the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that the UK's history curriculum today was written almost entirely by two groups:
English Victorian Protestant missionaries: hence the importance of the Tudor Reformation (fuck the Pope!) and the Industrial Reformation (Protestant Work Ethic!) and the omission of the Civil War (not easy to make Cromwell look like a moderate conservative monarchist) or our long history as a Catholic country (all a bit embarassing).
The old-guard generation of 1960s historians, hence the importance of Nazis & Soviets but the omission of the Cold War.
And no-one's every got round to updating it. Honestly, that's... really not good, TBH
看来大家都差不多！
说实话，我越看越觉得现在的英国历史课程几乎都是由两群人编写的:
1、英国维多利亚新教传教士：因此都铎改革（去TM的教皇）和工业改革的比重很大，然后省略了内战（让克伦威尔看起来不那么像一个温和的保守君主主义者），还有我们作为一个天主教国家的悠久历史（有点尴尬）。
2、1960年代顽固派历史学家，因此纳粹和苏联的的比重很大，但忽略了冷战。
没人会花时间去更新这些内容，老实说，这……真的不好。
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scantreward
Also 90s education, Tudors, WW2, Tudors, Vikings, Tudors, Industrial Revolution, Tudors, Romans, Fucking Tudors.
No WW1, nothing about colonialism, and almost nothing that really mattered. I was in my late teens/early 20s before I corrected my otherwise piss poor history education. A lot of my contemporaries probably never did, so are totally ignorant on the most important history of all (which I consider to be WW1 and colonialism).
我也是90年代上的高中，都铎王朝、二战、都铎王朝、维京、都铎王朝、工业革命、都铎王朝、罗马、还是TM的都铎王朝。
没有第一次世界大战，没有殖民主义，几乎没有什么重要的东西。在我纠正我糟糕的历史知识时，我都20岁左右了。我的许多同龄人可能从来没有纠正过，所以他们对最重要的历史(我认为是一战和殖民主义) 完全不了解。
Also 90s education, Tudors, WW2, Tudors, Vikings, Tudors, Industrial Revolution, Tudors, Romans, Fucking Tudors.
No WW1, nothing about colonialism, and almost nothing that really mattered. I was in my late teens/early 20s before I corrected my otherwise piss poor history education. A lot of my contemporaries probably never did, so are totally ignorant on the most important history of all (which I consider to be WW1 and colonialism).
我也是90年代上的高中，都铎王朝、二战、都铎王朝、维京、都铎王朝、工业革命、都铎王朝、罗马、还是TM的都铎王朝。
没有第一次世界大战，没有殖民主义，几乎没有什么重要的东西。在我纠正我糟糕的历史知识时，我都20岁左右了。我的许多同龄人可能从来没有纠正过，所以他们对最重要的历史(我认为是一战和殖民主义) 完全不了解。
Mr-Tootles
In Scotland we focused on internal elements and the two world wars exclusively. There was little to no coverage of colonialism. Most people I know had to educate themselves on this point.
在苏格兰，我们只关注国内的内容和两次世界大战。几乎没有关于殖民主义的内容。在这方面，我认识的大多数人都是自学的。
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In Scotland we focused on internal elements and the two world wars exclusively. There was little to no coverage of colonialism. Most people I know had to educate themselves on this point.
在苏格兰，我们只关注国内的内容和两次世界大战。几乎没有关于殖民主义的内容。在这方面，我认识的大多数人都是自学的。
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Eatus_Fetus
In my highschool my class was taught about how scottish immigration contributed to the cultures of Australia and Canada. India was briefly mentioned, we were taught how some of the East India Company's leadership were originaly from Scotland and also how some Scottish regiments participated in suppressing revolts. Overall I was taught how the Empire made Britian wealthy at the expense of other nations and people
在我高中的时候，我的班教了苏格兰移民如何对澳大利亚和加拿大的文化做出贡献。也简短地提到了印度，告诉我们东印度公司的一些领导起源于苏格兰，还有苏格兰军队是如何参与镇压起义叛乱的。总的来说，我学到的是帝国是如何牺牲其他国家和人民来让不列颠富裕起来的。
In my highschool my class was taught about how scottish immigration contributed to the cultures of Australia and Canada. India was briefly mentioned, we were taught how some of the East India Company's leadership were originaly from Scotland and also how some Scottish regiments participated in suppressing revolts. Overall I was taught how the Empire made Britian wealthy at the expense of other nations and people
在我高中的时候，我的班教了苏格兰移民如何对澳大利亚和加拿大的文化做出贡献。也简短地提到了印度，告诉我们东印度公司的一些领导起源于苏格兰，还有苏格兰军队是如何参与镇压起义叛乱的。总的来说，我学到的是帝国是如何牺牲其他国家和人民来让不列颠富裕起来的。
Mr-Tootles
I wish I had your teachers!! I swear if I had to hear about German interwar and world war 2 one more time I would explode
真希望那时候教我的是你们老师！！如果再让我听一次德国两战和第二次世界大战的课，我会爆炸的。
I wish I had your teachers!! I swear if I had to hear about German interwar and world war 2 one more time I would explode
真希望那时候教我的是你们老师！！如果再让我听一次德国两战和第二次世界大战的课，我会爆炸的。
SeleucusNikator1
The most annoying part is that they always ignore Italy and Japan's interwar period (in my experience). In my opinion, Japan's road to war is incredibly important to learn about, since they never actually had any outright fascist takeover of the government. The assassination of Japanese moderate politicians, the army's lack of respect for civilian authority, the creation of the Bushido Samurai myth, etc. All remind us that shit can hit the fan without any March on Rome or Reichstag Fire.
Italy of course is also fascinating, since they were technically victors of the first world war, but still fell to the victim mentality that fueled the German revanchism.
最令人讨厌的是，他们总是忽视两次世界大战期间的意大利和日本。在我看来，日本的战争之路是很有必要学的，因为他们的政府从来没有真正的被法西斯完全控制。日本温和派政治家遇刺、军队对文官缺乏尊重、武士道神话的建立等都在提醒我们，即使没有“向罗马进军”或“国会纵火案”之类的事，这些狗屁东西也会产生严重的恶果。
意大利当然也很吸引人，因为他们是第一次世界大战的胜利者，但仍然产生了受害者的心态，这助长了德国的复仇主义。
The most annoying part is that they always ignore Italy and Japan's interwar period (in my experience). In my opinion, Japan's road to war is incredibly important to learn about, since they never actually had any outright fascist takeover of the government. The assassination of Japanese moderate politicians, the army's lack of respect for civilian authority, the creation of the Bushido Samurai myth, etc. All remind us that shit can hit the fan without any March on Rome or Reichstag Fire.
Italy of course is also fascinating, since they were technically victors of the first world war, but still fell to the victim mentality that fueled the German revanchism.
最令人讨厌的是，他们总是忽视两次世界大战期间的意大利和日本。在我看来，日本的战争之路是很有必要学的，因为他们的政府从来没有真正的被法西斯完全控制。日本温和派政治家遇刺、军队对文官缺乏尊重、武士道神话的建立等都在提醒我们，即使没有“向罗马进军”或“国会纵火案”之类的事，这些狗屁东西也会产生严重的恶果。
意大利当然也很吸引人，因为他们是第一次世界大战的胜利者，但仍然产生了受害者的心态，这助长了德国的复仇主义。
yawningangel
My experience is from over 20 years ago so no doubt things have changed.
In high school we covered a fair bit of colonialism, none of it was positive.
The partition of india was something which we studies fairly in depth ,but we also looked at Africa, the Middle east etc.
我那会是20多年前了，所以情况肯定变了。
高中时，我们教了不少殖民主义，但全都不是正面的。
印度分裂是我们深入研究的内容，我们也研究非洲、中东等内容。
My experience is from over 20 years ago so no doubt things have changed.
In high school we covered a fair bit of colonialism, none of it was positive.
The partition of india was something which we studies fairly in depth ,but we also looked at Africa, the Middle east etc.
我那会是20多年前了，所以情况肯定变了。
高中时，我们教了不少殖民主义，但全都不是正面的。
印度分裂是我们深入研究的内容，我们也研究非洲、中东等内容。
MadLadEnzo
I see, were any of the strategies that were used by the colonists covered? That is something I find extremely interesting since its quite surprising given the small amount of people that land on the ports.
明白了，那殖民者使用的策略有教吗？这是我非常感兴趣的事情，因为考虑到登陆的人数很少，让人很好奇。
I see, were any of the strategies that were used by the colonists covered? That is something I find extremely interesting since its quite surprising given the small amount of people that land on the ports.
明白了，那殖民者使用的策略有教吗？这是我非常感兴趣的事情，因为考虑到登陆的人数很少，让人很好奇。
SeleucusNikator1
Interesting. My school did absolutely nothing on India, but instead we learned quite a bit about Nigeria.
有意思。我们学校完全没有关于印度的内容，反而学了很多尼日利亚的内容。
Interesting. My school did absolutely nothing on India, but instead we learned quite a bit about Nigeria.
有意思。我们学校完全没有关于印度的内容，反而学了很多尼日利亚的内容。
Kell_Galain
Mainly the colonists ruled by proxies i.e. control on few figure heads in kingdoms and princely states. Then recruiting local army and using them to conquer and making rival princely state heads... So on. When a territory is under control, established arbitrary laws that make people divide like preference for certain groups.
殖民者主要是通过代理人进行统治，即在王国和土邦里控制一些傀儡。然后招募当地军队，利用他们去征服，并制造敌对之类的。当一个地区被控制时，制定专横的法律，把人们按照特定的群体来划分。
Mainly the colonists ruled by proxies i.e. control on few figure heads in kingdoms and princely states. Then recruiting local army and using them to conquer and making rival princely state heads... So on. When a territory is under control, established arbitrary laws that make people divide like preference for certain groups.
殖民者主要是通过代理人进行统治，即在王国和土邦里控制一些傀儡。然后招募当地军队，利用他们去征服，并制造敌对之类的。当一个地区被控制时，制定专横的法律，把人们按照特定的群体来划分。
yawningangel
Most wasn't that in depth tbh,just learnt about the "insurgencies ".
Did spend a bit more time covering Gandhi and peaceful protest.
大部分讲得都不深入，只是了解了“叛乱”。
确实花了稍微多一点的时间讲述了甘地与和平抗议。
Most wasn't that in depth tbh,just learnt about the "insurgencies ".
Did spend a bit more time covering Gandhi and peaceful protest.
大部分讲得都不深入，只是了解了“叛乱”。
确实花了稍微多一点的时间讲述了甘地与和平抗议。
maverick3470
I finished secondary school (high school) in the early 2010’s and like others here the British empire was barely covered. The Boer War was the only part we studied and the empire was never spoken about in a positive way.
We studied the Romans, Normans, WWI, women’s suffrage in the UK, the causes of WWII, and apartheid- specifically the Sharpeville massacre.
I studied the English (War of the Roses) and American civil wars at A Level (age 17).
我在2010年代初期读完中学(高中)，和其他人一样，大英帝国几乎没有提到，布尔战争是我们研究的唯一内容，从来没有以积极的方式讲述过帝国。
我们研究了罗马人、诺曼人、第一次世界大战、英国的妇女选举权、第二次世界大战的起因、种族隔离特别是沙佩维尔大屠杀。
我在17岁的时候研究了英国（玫瑰战争）和美国内战。
I finished secondary school (high school) in the early 2010’s and like others here the British empire was barely covered. The Boer War was the only part we studied and the empire was never spoken about in a positive way.
We studied the Romans, Normans, WWI, women’s suffrage in the UK, the causes of WWII, and apartheid- specifically the Sharpeville massacre.
I studied the English (War of the Roses) and American civil wars at A Level (age 17).
我在2010年代初期读完中学(高中)，和其他人一样，大英帝国几乎没有提到，布尔战争是我们研究的唯一内容，从来没有以积极的方式讲述过帝国。
我们研究了罗马人、诺曼人、第一次世界大战、英国的妇女选举权、第二次世界大战的起因、种族隔离特别是沙佩维尔大屠杀。
我在17岁的时候研究了英国（玫瑰战争）和美国内战。
belalthrone
Wait do you guys call the American Revolution and the War of 1812 “civil wars”? It makes sense if so, it’s just odd to hear as an American lol
等下，你们把美国独立战争和1812年战争叫做“内战”？这样的话也有道理，只是在我这个美国人听起来有点怪。
Wait do you guys call the American Revolution and the War of 1812 “civil wars”? It makes sense if so, it’s just odd to hear as an American lol
等下，你们把美国独立战争和1812年战争叫做“内战”？这样的话也有道理，只是在我这个美国人听起来有点怪。
JosBenson
No, the American Revolution and war of 1812 are not called the civil wars. The American civil war refers to 1865 civil war, the south v the north. Abraham Lincoln etc.
The British do not think of American independence as a civil war. I’m fact we barely cover it as it was of so little importance to British history. It was obviously a big deal for American history, but a mere blip in British history with very little impact.
不是，美国独立战争和1812年战争不叫内战。美国内战是指1865年南北战争，南方VS北方，亚伯拉罕·林肯等。
英国不认为美国独立是内战。事实上，我们几乎不涉及这方面内容，因为它对英国历史的重要性非常低。它对美国历史当然是大事，但在英国历史上只是个小插曲，没什么影响。
No, the American Revolution and war of 1812 are not called the civil wars. The American civil war refers to 1865 civil war, the south v the north. Abraham Lincoln etc.
The British do not think of American independence as a civil war. I’m fact we barely cover it as it was of so little importance to British history. It was obviously a big deal for American history, but a mere blip in British history with very little impact.
不是，美国独立战争和1812年战争不叫内战。美国内战是指1865年南北战争，南方VS北方，亚伯拉罕·林肯等。
英国不认为美国独立是内战。事实上，我们几乎不涉及这方面内容，因为它对英国历史的重要性非常低。它对美国历史当然是大事，但在英国历史上只是个小插曲，没什么影响。
CuriousastheCat
I think this is gets a bit overstated, though a natural reaction to an American tendency to think America was the most important colony by far.
In wider British history the indirect impact was massive. The amount of French money splurged on the war of independence precipitated the bankruptcy of the French monarchy and from there the Revolution, Napoleon etc etc. The world turned upside down indeed.
我认为说得夸张了，虽然美国人认为美国是最重要的殖民地这是自然的反应。
在英国历史上，美国独立的间接的影响是巨大的。法国在美国独立战争中挥霍的大量金钱让法国君主制破产，由此引发了革命、拿破仑等等。世界确实发生了巨大变化。
I think this is gets a bit overstated, though a natural reaction to an American tendency to think America was the most important colony by far.
In wider British history the indirect impact was massive. The amount of French money splurged on the war of independence precipitated the bankruptcy of the French monarchy and from there the Revolution, Napoleon etc etc. The world turned upside down indeed.
我认为说得夸张了，虽然美国人认为美国是最重要的殖民地这是自然的反应。
在英国历史上，美国独立的间接的影响是巨大的。法国在美国独立战争中挥霍的大量金钱让法国君主制破产，由此引发了革命、拿破仑等等。世界确实发生了巨大变化。
belalthrone
Ahh okay, I misunderstood the above post then
啊好吧，我误解了上面的帖子
Ahh okay, I misunderstood the above post then
啊好吧，我误解了上面的帖子
gratitude1
History in british schools is pretty much just tudors and ww2
英国学校教授的历史几乎都是都铎王朝和二战。
History in british schools is pretty much just tudors and ww2
英国学校教授的历史几乎都是都铎王朝和二战。
arracudauk663
As a history teacher here in the UK I'll say that my curriculum is heavily focused on imperialism. I'm surprised at how many aren't actually.
作为一名英国历史老师，我要说我的课程基本都是关于帝国主义的。实际上我很惊讶竟然有这么多人学的不是这些。
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As a history teacher here in the UK I'll say that my curriculum is heavily focused on imperialism. I'm surprised at how many aren't actually.
作为一名英国历史老师，我要说我的课程基本都是关于帝国主义的。实际上我很惊讶竟然有这么多人学的不是这些。
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nmcj1996
We studied quite a lot of modules on the British Empire - including the Boer War, Triangle Trade, Rush for Africa and about a year exclusively on Indian Independence from 1867-1947. Personally I think it was all pretty balanced, with our textbooks including a lot of primary sources from locals and administrators and not shying away from any atrocities. It wasn’t all ‘the British are evil’ but no one came away thinking that we were the good guys like a lot of people on Reddit seem to suggest our history lessons do. Can’t really recommend any books given we pretty much only used textbooks, but happy to answer any questions about it.
我们学了很多关于大英帝国的内容。包括布尔战争、三角贸易、奔赴非洲，还有大概一年专门学习1867-1947年的印度独立。我个人认为，这是相当平衡的，我们的教科书里包含了很多来自当地人和行政人员的第一手资料，而且没有回避任何暴行。并非所有的“英国人都是邪恶的”，但也没有人认为我们是好人。因为我们几乎只使用教科书，所以我没办法推荐什么书籍，但很乐意回答有关问题。
We studied quite a lot of modules on the British Empire - including the Boer War, Triangle Trade, Rush for Africa and about a year exclusively on Indian Independence from 1867-1947. Personally I think it was all pretty balanced, with our textbooks including a lot of primary sources from locals and administrators and not shying away from any atrocities. It wasn’t all ‘the British are evil’ but no one came away thinking that we were the good guys like a lot of people on Reddit seem to suggest our history lessons do. Can’t really recommend any books given we pretty much only used textbooks, but happy to answer any questions about it.
我们学了很多关于大英帝国的内容。包括布尔战争、三角贸易、奔赴非洲，还有大概一年专门学习1867-1947年的印度独立。我个人认为，这是相当平衡的，我们的教科书里包含了很多来自当地人和行政人员的第一手资料，而且没有回避任何暴行。并非所有的“英国人都是邪恶的”，但也没有人认为我们是好人。因为我们几乎只使用教科书，所以我没办法推荐什么书籍，但很乐意回答有关问题。
Pm7I3
When I did was in school it wasn't mentioned. A Level history talked about the Boer War but wasn't very in depth.
我上学的时候没有学过这些内容。高中历史讲到了布尔战争，但不是非常深入。
When I did was in school it wasn't mentioned. A Level history talked about the Boer War but wasn't very in depth.
我上学的时候没有学过这些内容。高中历史讲到了布尔战争，但不是非常深入。
mpressiveWarthog8
Back in the 70s at my school we studied European History mainly from The Franco Prussian War through Russian Revolution to Hitler and WW2. My history teacher Mr Swift was an avowed Marxist so steered away from colonialism, he did however spark into life my love of history and world affairs.
我上学那会是70年代，我们主要学习了欧洲历史，从普法战争到俄国革命，再到希特勒和二战。我的历史老师斯威夫特先生是一位公开宣称的马克思主义者，因此他远离殖民主义，但他确实激发了我对历史和全球时事的热爱。
Back in the 70s at my school we studied European History mainly from The Franco Prussian War through Russian Revolution to Hitler and WW2. My history teacher Mr Swift was an avowed Marxist so steered away from colonialism, he did however spark into life my love of history and world affairs.
我上学那会是70年代，我们主要学习了欧洲历史，从普法战争到俄国革命，再到希特勒和二战。我的历史老师斯威夫特先生是一位公开宣称的马克思主义者，因此他远离殖民主义，但他确实激发了我对历史和全球时事的热爱。
ashiesfordinner
I started secondary school in 2002 and as far as I can remember it wasn't touched on significantly. Probably the closest I got to learning about colonialism was learning about William Wilberforce and his involvement with the movement to abolish the slave trade. It was never touched upon how the slave trade they were abolishing actually started.
我在2002年开始上中学，我记得没怎么教。我学到的和殖民主义最接近的，可能就是威廉·威尔伯福斯和他参与废除奴隶贸易的运动。但却没有提到废除奴隶贸易是如何开始的。
I started secondary school in 2002 and as far as I can remember it wasn't touched on significantly. Probably the closest I got to learning about colonialism was learning about William Wilberforce and his involvement with the movement to abolish the slave trade. It was never touched upon how the slave trade they were abolishing actually started.
我在2002年开始上中学，我记得没怎么教。我学到的和殖民主义最接近的，可能就是威廉·威尔伯福斯和他参与废除奴隶贸易的运动。但却没有提到废除奴隶贸易是如何开始的。
H_J_3
My experience was in the 2000s, and for part of my high school experience only studied history as part of the subject "Humanities", rather than as its own subject (explanation of the English system at the end). Students who picked different subjects, had different exam boards, or different teachers will have covered different topics to me.
British colonialism was rarely covered directly as a topic on its own. It did feature in a lot of other areas though:
The Atlantic slave trade
The civil rights movement in the USA
Apartheid in South Africa
Indian independence and partitioning (India was probably the most important British colony, learning about its independence movement helps cover the effects of colonialism in the country, and the effect on the empire)
The Rwandan genocide (not specifically British colonialism, but covered because of its importance in recent history, parallels with WW2, and as a particularly extreme example of post-colonial issues)
我上中学的时候是2000年代，我在高中的时候，历史只是作为“人文学科”的一部分，它不是单独的学科。学生选择不同的学科，有不同的考试，或不同的老师教授不同的内容。
英国殖民主义很少直接单独作为一个话题教授。不过，它确实在很多领域中出现。
1、大西洋奴隶贸易
2、美国的民权运动
3、南非的种族隔离
4、印度独立和分裂（印度可能是英国最重要的殖民地，学习它的独立运动有助于了解殖民主义对印度以及对帝国的影响）
5、卢旺达种族灭绝（不是专门针对英国殖民主义，而是因为它在近代史上的重要性，与第二次世界大战相似，是后殖民时代问题的一个极端例子）
My experience was in the 2000s, and for part of my high school experience only studied history as part of the subject "Humanities", rather than as its own subject (explanation of the English system at the end). Students who picked different subjects, had different exam boards, or different teachers will have covered different topics to me.
British colonialism was rarely covered directly as a topic on its own. It did feature in a lot of other areas though:
The Atlantic slave trade
The civil rights movement in the USA
Apartheid in South Africa
Indian independence and partitioning (India was probably the most important British colony, learning about its independence movement helps cover the effects of colonialism in the country, and the effect on the empire)
The Rwandan genocide (not specifically British colonialism, but covered because of its importance in recent history, parallels with WW2, and as a particularly extreme example of post-colonial issues)
我上中学的时候是2000年代，我在高中的时候，历史只是作为“人文学科”的一部分，它不是单独的学科。学生选择不同的学科，有不同的考试，或不同的老师教授不同的内容。
英国殖民主义很少直接单独作为一个话题教授。不过，它确实在很多领域中出现。
1、大西洋奴隶贸易
2、美国的民权运动
3、南非的种族隔离
4、印度独立和分裂（印度可能是英国最重要的殖民地，学习它的独立运动有助于了解殖民主义对印度以及对帝国的影响）
5、卢旺达种族灭绝（不是专门针对英国殖民主义，而是因为它在近代史上的重要性，与第二次世界大战相似，是后殖民时代问题的一个极端例子）
SeleucusNikator1
Should be noted that experiences seem to vary greatly. The choices of your school and individual teachers alters things quite a bit.
Anyhow, in my case, we learned about controversies such as the Benin Head debate (how it was taken by violent conquest, whether it should be returned, etc.), we learned about the Opium Wars, the settlement of Australia, and we also read "Things Fall Apart" in our English literature classes (the book is about Nigeria and Colonialism; it was written by one of Nigeria's biggest authors).
Frankly, we didn't learn anything about India, but we spent a lot of time focusing on the Atlantic Slave trade. The slave trade was covered twice actually, I remember first learning about it as an 8 year old and being shown pictures of slave ships and what not. We learned about it in more detail when I was around 12-13 I believe? Mainly focusing on the importation of slaves, conditions they endured in the ships, and the abolitionist movement behind it (we read extracts of Olaudah Equiano's book. He was an ex-slave who became free and an abolitionist activist).
So the British Empire was mentioned, but it wasn't really "the focus of the show" since we also had to focus on events like the Protestant Reformation, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, WW1, interwar Germany, WW2, and then the Cold War.
好像大家的体验差别很大啊。基于你们学校和个别老师的选择，大家的情况各有不同。
以我来说，我们学习了一些论战，比如“Benin Head debate” （它是如何被暴力征服的，它是否应该被归还等等），我们学习了鸦片战争，对澳大利亚的处理，我们也在英语文学课上阅读《分崩离析》（这本书是关于尼日利亚和殖民主义的；作者是尼日利亚最著名的作家之一）。
坦率地说，关于印度我们一点都没学，但我们花了很多时间关注大西洋奴隶贸易。事实上奴隶贸易的内容出现了两次，我记得第一次学是在8岁的时候，展示了奴隶船的图片。第二次更详细的学大概是在12-13岁的时候？主要集中在输入奴隶，他们在船上的糟糕条件，以及废奴运动。我们读了奥劳达·埃奎亚诺的书节选，他曾经是奴隶，后来获得自由，是废奴主义活动家。所以大英帝国被提到了，但它并不是作为重点被提的，因为我们还必须关注像新教改革、法国大革命、俄罗斯革命、第一次世界大战、两战间的德国、然后是冷战。
Should be noted that experiences seem to vary greatly. The choices of your school and individual teachers alters things quite a bit.
Anyhow, in my case, we learned about controversies such as the Benin Head debate (how it was taken by violent conquest, whether it should be returned, etc.), we learned about the Opium Wars, the settlement of Australia, and we also read "Things Fall Apart" in our English literature classes (the book is about Nigeria and Colonialism; it was written by one of Nigeria's biggest authors).
Frankly, we didn't learn anything about India, but we spent a lot of time focusing on the Atlantic Slave trade. The slave trade was covered twice actually, I remember first learning about it as an 8 year old and being shown pictures of slave ships and what not. We learned about it in more detail when I was around 12-13 I believe? Mainly focusing on the importation of slaves, conditions they endured in the ships, and the abolitionist movement behind it (we read extracts of Olaudah Equiano's book. He was an ex-slave who became free and an abolitionist activist).
So the British Empire was mentioned, but it wasn't really "the focus of the show" since we also had to focus on events like the Protestant Reformation, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, WW1, interwar Germany, WW2, and then the Cold War.
好像大家的体验差别很大啊。基于你们学校和个别老师的选择，大家的情况各有不同。
以我来说，我们学习了一些论战，比如“Benin Head debate” （它是如何被暴力征服的，它是否应该被归还等等），我们学习了鸦片战争，对澳大利亚的处理，我们也在英语文学课上阅读《分崩离析》（这本书是关于尼日利亚和殖民主义的；作者是尼日利亚最著名的作家之一）。
坦率地说，关于印度我们一点都没学，但我们花了很多时间关注大西洋奴隶贸易。事实上奴隶贸易的内容出现了两次，我记得第一次学是在8岁的时候，展示了奴隶船的图片。第二次更详细的学大概是在12-13岁的时候？主要集中在输入奴隶，他们在船上的糟糕条件，以及废奴运动。我们读了奥劳达·埃奎亚诺的书节选，他曾经是奴隶，后来获得自由，是废奴主义活动家。所以大英帝国被提到了，但它并不是作为重点被提的，因为我们还必须关注像新教改革、法国大革命、俄罗斯革命、第一次世界大战、两战间的德国、然后是冷战。
charli1409
I'm a humanities teacher at a secondary school. Although my specialism is not in history I do teach it. We do British Colonisation as a whole topic, depending on the year group depends on which country. I have personally taught about Africa and India. The aim of those lessons is to look at both the positives and negatives. The students do also get discuss their view point but always go away understanding that there are both sides to consider.
我是一名中学的人文老师。虽然我的专业不是历史，但我确实有教这方面的内容。我们把英国殖民作为一个主题，取决于年份和国家。我亲自教过非洲和印度的内容。这些课程的目的是了解积极的一面和消极的一面。学生们也会讨论他们的观点，但要了解到事情是有两面需要考虑的。
I'm a humanities teacher at a secondary school. Although my specialism is not in history I do teach it. We do British Colonisation as a whole topic, depending on the year group depends on which country. I have personally taught about Africa and India. The aim of those lessons is to look at both the positives and negatives. The students do also get discuss their view point but always go away understanding that there are both sides to consider.
我是一名中学的人文老师。虽然我的专业不是历史，但我确实有教这方面的内容。我们把英国殖民作为一个主题，取决于年份和国家。我亲自教过非洲和印度的内容。这些课程的目的是了解积极的一面和消极的一面。学生们也会讨论他们的观点，但要了解到事情是有两面需要考虑的。
sjintje
It's funny that nearly all the students are saying it wasn't taught at all (apart from the slave trade) but there are three teachers commenting that it is an option on the curriculum. I guess it means that all the teachers who chose not to teach it also don't like talking about it on reddit!
有意思，几乎所有的学生都说他们没有教过这方面的内容（除了奴隶贸易），但有三位老师评论说这是课程的一个选项。我猜这意味着所有老师都选择不教，也不喜欢在reddit上讨论它！
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It's funny that nearly all the students are saying it wasn't taught at all (apart from the slave trade) but there are three teachers commenting that it is an option on the curriculum. I guess it means that all the teachers who chose not to teach it also don't like talking about it on reddit!
有意思，几乎所有的学生都说他们没有教过这方面的内容（除了奴隶贸易），但有三位老师评论说这是课程的一个选项。我猜这意味着所有老师都选择不教，也不喜欢在reddit上讨论它！
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charli1409
I cannot comment about whether it is actually on the curriculum now as I'm an RE specialist, however big changes have been to the curriculum since 2016, so it is likely to have been included in those changes. People commenting do not appear to be at school anymore.
因为我是RE专业的，所以我没办法评论这部分内容现在是否出现在课程中。但2016年以后，课程发生了很大的变化，所以它很可能已经包含在课程中了。再说评论的人现在也不是学生了。
I cannot comment about whether it is actually on the curriculum now as I'm an RE specialist, however big changes have been to the curriculum since 2016, so it is likely to have been included in those changes. People commenting do not appear to be at school anymore.
因为我是RE专业的，所以我没办法评论这部分内容现在是否出现在课程中。但2016年以后，课程发生了很大的变化，所以它很可能已经包含在课程中了。再说评论的人现在也不是学生了。
spoonbasher555
So I graduated high/secondary school in 2010. It's wasn't really taught directly, more something that is in the background. We spend a lot of time on the industrial revolution, world wars, Tudor period, Victorian era and briefly dabbled in the dark and middle ages.
Like because along with the rest of Europe we have such a long, well recorded history, it's very convenient just to gloss over the negatives and play into a bit of exceptionalism.
We would touch on things like the Suez crisis when learning the post WW2 period for example.
Basically the level of understanding I had before reaching University was , yeh empire was bad, but we gave a lot of countries trains and universities so swings and roundabouts.
Luckily I used to hang out with a lot of history students and gleaned a nuanced view of the impacts of colonialism; ie. We had no fucking right, and all our museums are absolutely stuffed with other people's stuff.
我在2010年高中毕业。它没有直接教授，更多是作为背景。我们花了大量的时间在工业革命、世界大战、都铎王朝、维多利亚时代，并短暂的教授黑暗的中世纪。
像欧洲其他国家一样，我们有着悠久、良好的历史记录，所以我们可以很方便地掩盖消极的内容，掺杂一点例外主义。
例如，在学习二战后的时期，我们会教授苏伊士危机等问题。
基本上，我在上大学之前的理解水平是，帝国确实很坏，但是我们给很多国家提供了火车和大学，所以有好有坏。
幸运的是，我曾经和很多历史系的学生一起闲逛，了解到一些对殖民主义影响的微妙看法，比如“我们没有这种权利，我们博物馆里塞的都是别人的东西”。
So I graduated high/secondary school in 2010. It's wasn't really taught directly, more something that is in the background. We spend a lot of time on the industrial revolution, world wars, Tudor period, Victorian era and briefly dabbled in the dark and middle ages.
Like because along with the rest of Europe we have such a long, well recorded history, it's very convenient just to gloss over the negatives and play into a bit of exceptionalism.
We would touch on things like the Suez crisis when learning the post WW2 period for example.
Basically the level of understanding I had before reaching University was , yeh empire was bad, but we gave a lot of countries trains and universities so swings and roundabouts.
Luckily I used to hang out with a lot of history students and gleaned a nuanced view of the impacts of colonialism; ie. We had no fucking right, and all our museums are absolutely stuffed with other people's stuff.
我在2010年高中毕业。它没有直接教授，更多是作为背景。我们花了大量的时间在工业革命、世界大战、都铎王朝、维多利亚时代，并短暂的教授黑暗的中世纪。
像欧洲其他国家一样，我们有着悠久、良好的历史记录，所以我们可以很方便地掩盖消极的内容，掺杂一点例外主义。
例如，在学习二战后的时期，我们会教授苏伊士危机等问题。
基本上，我在上大学之前的理解水平是，帝国确实很坏，但是我们给很多国家提供了火车和大学，所以有好有坏。
幸运的是，我曾经和很多历史系的学生一起闲逛，了解到一些对殖民主义影响的微妙看法，比如“我们没有这种权利，我们博物馆里塞的都是别人的东西”。
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