特斯拉未来型号可能会内置游戏功能玩巫师三，是炒作？还是商业噱头？
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Tesla has unveiled refreshed versions of its Model X and Model S cars, revealing that both are equipped with gaming hardware supporting "up to 10 teraflops of processing power." This theoretically puts a car within the ballpark of a new generation console. From a report:
特斯拉发布了新款Model X和Model S车型，这两款车型都配备了支持“高达10万亿次浮点运算能力”的游戏硬件。从理论上讲，这将汽车置于新一代主机的范围内。
转自报导:
Tesla has unveiled refreshed versions of its Model X and Model S cars, revealing that both are equipped with gaming hardware supporting "up to 10 teraflops of processing power." This theoretically puts a car within the ballpark of a new generation console. From a report:
特斯拉发布了新款Model X和Model S车型，这两款车型都配备了支持“高达10万亿次浮点运算能力”的游戏硬件。从理论上讲，这将汽车置于新一代主机的范围内。
转自报导:
The Tesla models, priced in excess of $80,000 and shipping in March, are fitted with hardware to power Tesla Arcade, an in-car gaming system that is already available in current Tesla models. The difference is that previous models are only able to run less demanding games such as Cuphead and Cat Quest, while the promotional materials for the new Tesla models show The Witcher 3 displayed on the 17" central console. This suggests a significant step up for the car's gaming potential.
这些特斯拉车型定价会超过8万美元，将于今年3月发售，配备了驱动Tesla Arcade的硬件。“特斯拉街机”（ Tesla Arcade）是一款车内游戏系统，目前的特斯拉车型已经可以使用该系统。
不同的是，以前的型号只能运行要求不高的游戏，如《Cuphead》和《Cat Quest》，而新款特斯拉型号的宣传材料显示，巫师3将可以显示在17英寸的中央控制屏幕上。这表明汽车的游戏潜力有了很大的提升。
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这些特斯拉车型定价会超过8万美元，将于今年3月发售，配备了驱动Tesla Arcade的硬件。“特斯拉街机”（ Tesla Arcade）是一款车内游戏系统，目前的特斯拉车型已经可以使用该系统。
不同的是，以前的型号只能运行要求不高的游戏，如《Cuphead》和《Cat Quest》，而新款特斯拉型号的宣传材料显示，巫师3将可以显示在17英寸的中央控制屏幕上。这表明汽车的游戏潜力有了很大的提升。
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Specifics on how powerful the car's gaming rig is isn't easy to tell, as the quoted "up to 10 teraflops of processing power" can't be directly translated to the power of a PS5, which is capable of 10.28 teraflops. The accompanying components must also be taken into account, and Tesla has offered no details on the full specs of the hardware. It's unclear if Nvidia or AMD GPUs are being used, or if it all comes from Tesla's own system-on-a-chip. And while The Witcher 3 is an impressive game by... err... car standards, it's very much a last-gen experience now. Theoretically, though, the system in the new Teslas is capable of strong gaming performance.
关于这款汽车的游戏平台具体有多厉害，我们很难判断，因为所谓的“高达10万亿次浮点运算能力”并不能直接转化为PS5的能力，PS5的浮点运算能力为10.28万亿次浮点运算。
此外，还必须考虑到配套的部件，特斯拉没有提供关于具体硬件设备的完整规格的细节。目前还不清楚使用的是英伟达或AMD的图形处理器，还是全来自特斯拉自己的系统芯片。
而《巫师3》是一款令人印象深刻的游戏，呃……就汽车标准而言，这已经是上一代的体验了。不过，从理论上讲，新的特斯拉系统将会有很强的游戏性能。
关于这款汽车的游戏平台具体有多厉害，我们很难判断，因为所谓的“高达10万亿次浮点运算能力”并不能直接转化为PS5的能力，PS5的浮点运算能力为10.28万亿次浮点运算。
此外，还必须考虑到配套的部件，特斯拉没有提供关于具体硬件设备的完整规格的细节。目前还不清楚使用的是英伟达或AMD的图形处理器，还是全来自特斯拉自己的系统芯片。
而《巫师3》是一款令人印象深刻的游戏，呃……就汽车标准而言，这已经是上一代的体验了。不过，从理论上讲，新的特斯拉系统将会有很强的游戏性能。
But Why? ~nt~ (Score:2)
If you have little kids or just don't have space for a good gaming setup I can see it.Go out to the garage. Sit in what is actually a pretty nice seat for gaming and good sound system that you can turn up without disturbing anyone. Only issue I can see is having the display off center would be ergonomically poor. If they made it detachable or something so you could set it up on the dash when the car was in park; the car would be a pretty sweet gaming rig.
如果你有小孩，或者没有足够大的地方来一场很好的游戏体验，你就可以到车库去。你可以坐在那个非常适合玩游戏的座位上，而且车内音响系统很好，你可以打开它享受游戏音效，而不会打扰到任何人。
我现在能看到的唯一问题是，有资料显示方向盘卡在那里不符合人体工程学。如果他们能把它做成可拆卸的，或者其他什么东西，这样你就可以在停车的时候，把它拿下来放在仪表板上，然后这辆车就会是一个很好的游戏装备。
If you have little kids or just don't have space for a good gaming setup I can see it.Go out to the garage. Sit in what is actually a pretty nice seat for gaming and good sound system that you can turn up without disturbing anyone. Only issue I can see is having the display off center would be ergonomically poor. If they made it detachable or something so you could set it up on the dash when the car was in park; the car would be a pretty sweet gaming rig.
如果你有小孩，或者没有足够大的地方来一场很好的游戏体验，你就可以到车库去。你可以坐在那个非常适合玩游戏的座位上，而且车内音响系统很好，你可以打开它享受游戏音效，而不会打扰到任何人。
我现在能看到的唯一问题是，有资料显示方向盘卡在那里不符合人体工程学。如果他们能把它做成可拆卸的，或者其他什么东西，这样你就可以在停车的时候，把它拿下来放在仪表板上，然后这辆车就会是一个很好的游戏装备。
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Yeah, a Tesla in your garage is much cheaper than just a PC in your garage.
是啊，车库里的特斯拉比车库里的个人电脑便宜多了（嘲讽）
Yeah, a Tesla in your garage is much cheaper than just a PC in your garage.
是啊，车库里的特斯拉比车库里的个人电脑便宜多了（嘲讽）
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Is it? I'd need heating, air, furniture, the high end pc, a sound system, and a bigger garage so I could still park a car in there. -or- I could leverage all those things that are in the car already.
是吗？我需要暖气、空调、家具、高端电脑、音响系统和一个更大的车库，这样我才能在里面停车。或者，我只需要在车里就能享受所有
Is it? I'd need heating, air, furniture, the high end pc, a sound system, and a bigger garage so I could still park a car in there. -or- I could leverage all those things that are in the car already.
是吗？我需要暖气、空调、家具、高端电脑、音响系统和一个更大的车库，这样我才能在里面停车。或者，我只需要在车里就能享受所有
Re: But Why? ~nt~
Point taken, but it's entirely relative. Where I live I spent less that $160k CAD for my house (2500sq/ft) sitting on 3/4 acres in a subdivision.Willing to bet I could come in at under 80k for all you mention and a basic car :)
Though, country living aint for everyone I suppose...I see this as just a really nice value add for a person willing to spend as much on a car whether or not it could game.
你说的有道理，但这种事情其实也是相对的。比如在我住的地方，我花了不到16万加元的钱，买了我现在的房子(2500平方英尺)，它坐落在一个3/4英亩的社区里。我敢打赌，就你提到的那些东西，和一辆基本的车对比而言，我可以减少8万美元的开销。
不过，我想也并不是每个人都喜欢乡村生活……我认为这对于那些愿意在汽车上花这么多钱的人来说，这会是一种很好的结果，不管它是否可行（有钱人不在乎钱）。
Point taken, but it's entirely relative. Where I live I spent less that $160k CAD for my house (2500sq/ft) sitting on 3/4 acres in a subdivision.Willing to bet I could come in at under 80k for all you mention and a basic car :)
Though, country living aint for everyone I suppose...I see this as just a really nice value add for a person willing to spend as much on a car whether or not it could game.
你说的有道理，但这种事情其实也是相对的。比如在我住的地方，我花了不到16万加元的钱，买了我现在的房子(2500平方英尺)，它坐落在一个3/4英亩的社区里。我敢打赌，就你提到的那些东西，和一辆基本的车对比而言，我可以减少8万美元的开销。
不过，我想也并不是每个人都喜欢乡村生活……我认为这对于那些愿意在汽车上花这么多钱的人来说，这会是一种很好的结果，不管它是否可行（有钱人不在乎钱）。
Re: But Why? ~nt~
In Southern California you would lose that bet.
在加州南方，你会输掉这个赌注（没人愿意买这种游戏汽车）
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In Southern California you would lose that bet.
在加州南方，你会输掉这个赌注（没人愿意买这种游戏汽车）
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no doubt! =)
不用怀疑
no doubt! =)
不用怀疑
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Would fail in Toronto too.
在多伦多也会失败。
Would fail in Toronto too.
在多伦多也会失败。
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I am actually in a similar situation to yourself. Where I live owing a electric would be pretty impractical. I also have "garage" that I could easily put four full size pickups in but we only have one pickup and one car.it is however unheated, not really insulated and therefore not best space to spend time in January. I agree though I could come in well under the cost of Model S.The GGP was being dismissive about this being useful. I suspect for some people its probably a nice little portable man cave.
我其实和你的情况很相似。在我住的地方，用电动汽车不太现实。我也有“车库”，我可以很容易地放四辆全尺寸的皮卡，但我们只有一辆皮卡和一辆小车。
不过，它们没有暖气，也没有空调（隔热），因此不是消磨时间的最佳选择。虽然我可以用比毛豆（特斯拉车型）便宜多的钱买下来。
GGP们对此不屑一顾，我怀疑对某些人来说，这种车可能是一个不错的方便蜗居空间。
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I am actually in a similar situation to yourself. Where I live owing a electric would be pretty impractical. I also have "garage" that I could easily put four full size pickups in but we only have one pickup and one car.it is however unheated, not really insulated and therefore not best space to spend time in January. I agree though I could come in well under the cost of Model S.The GGP was being dismissive about this being useful. I suspect for some people its probably a nice little portable man cave.
我其实和你的情况很相似。在我住的地方，用电动汽车不太现实。我也有“车库”，我可以很容易地放四辆全尺寸的皮卡，但我们只有一辆皮卡和一辆小车。
不过，它们没有暖气，也没有空调（隔热），因此不是消磨时间的最佳选择。虽然我可以用比毛豆（特斯拉车型）便宜多的钱买下来。
GGP们对此不屑一顾，我怀疑对某些人来说，这种车可能是一个不错的方便蜗居空间。
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So you are saying you have a garage that can hold 4 pickup trucks, but does not have a single electric plug socket? I think you were ripped off.
你是说你有一个车库可以装四辆小货车，但却没有一个充电插座吗？我觉得你被骗了。
So you are saying you have a garage that can hold 4 pickup trucks, but does not have a single electric plug socket? I think you were ripped off.
你是说你有一个车库可以装四辆小货车，但却没有一个充电插座吗？我觉得你被骗了。
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It's such an edge case, I can't see bothering with building a gaming experience into a car. Kids have tablets and other devices they are glued to, they don't need a gaming rig built into a car. Phones have plenty of games for anyone sitting idle in a car waiting for their wife to finish up shopping, etc. I just can't see this as a selling point for a car, if anything it's just an upsell item but to include it in the price tag seems ridiculous.
你说的是一种非常极端的情况，我不认为在汽车上打造一个好的游戏体验会有什么麻烦。孩子们有平板电脑和其他让他们天天粘在一起的设备，他们不需要一个内置在汽车上的游戏设备。
手机上也有很多游戏，可供闲坐在车里等老婆购物的人玩。我不认为这会是汽车的卖点，它只是一个追加销售项目，但把它包含在售价服务中很荒谬
It's such an edge case, I can't see bothering with building a gaming experience into a car. Kids have tablets and other devices they are glued to, they don't need a gaming rig built into a car. Phones have plenty of games for anyone sitting idle in a car waiting for their wife to finish up shopping, etc. I just can't see this as a selling point for a car, if anything it's just an upsell item but to include it in the price tag seems ridiculous.
你说的是一种非常极端的情况，我不认为在汽车上打造一个好的游戏体验会有什么麻烦。孩子们有平板电脑和其他让他们天天粘在一起的设备，他们不需要一个内置在汽车上的游戏设备。
手机上也有很多游戏，可供闲坐在车里等老婆购物的人玩。我不认为这会是汽车的卖点，它只是一个追加销售项目，但把它包含在售价服务中很荒谬
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More to this, don't forget that the goal of Tesla is to have 'real' autopilot. So you could play video games while driving around.
另外，别忘了特斯拉的目标是拥有“真正的”自动驾驶功能。这样你就可以一边开车一边玩电子游戏了。
More to this, don't forget that the goal of Tesla is to have 'real' autopilot. So you could play video games while driving around.
另外，别忘了特斯拉的目标是拥有“真正的”自动驾驶功能。这样你就可以一边开车一边玩电子游戏了。
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How about they wait to add the gaming until *after* they've reached the "real autopilot" goal? Adding it now is just inviting irresponsible behavior.We don't need any more Tesla drivers beheaded... although perhaps others may disagree with me on that point.
如果等到他们达到“真正的自动驾驶”的目标后，再添加游戏呢？现在加上游戏功能，只会带来不负责任的结果。我们不需要更多的特斯拉司机被弄死（在开车玩游戏中）……尽管其他人可能不同意我的观点。
How about they wait to add the gaming until *after* they've reached the "real autopilot" goal? Adding it now is just inviting irresponsible behavior.We don't need any more Tesla drivers beheaded... although perhaps others may disagree with me on that point.
如果等到他们达到“真正的自动驾驶”的目标后，再添加游戏呢？现在加上游戏功能，只会带来不负责任的结果。我们不需要更多的特斯拉司机被弄死（在开车玩游戏中）……尽管其他人可能不同意我的观点。
Re: But Why? ~nt~
They probably want the power for doing superior map visualizations and so on. The fact that it can play games is irrelevant, and only being used for publicity purposes.
他们可能想要做高级地图可视化的能力等等。事实上，可不可以玩游戏不重要，主要是用来达成宣传目的的。
They probably want the power for doing superior map visualizations and so on. The fact that it can play games is irrelevant, and only being used for publicity purposes.
他们可能想要做高级地图可视化的能力等等。事实上，可不可以玩游戏不重要，主要是用来达成宣传目的的。
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It doesn't invite irresponsible behavior, because it can't be used unless the car is in park.Honestly, this probably didn't take a whole lot of "engineering time" in order to do it as emulators and translation layers are widely available, very likely was a fun project for some employees to work on and enjoy, and makes for a pretty good advertisement disguised as a press release.I wouldn't be surprised if this was the result of some engineer getting it running in his spare time just to see if they could, sho
它不会导致不负责任的结果，因为除非你把车停好了，否则游戏功能不能使用。说实话，这个限制并不需要花费太多的“设计时间”。
因为在模拟器和数据翻译层上很容易就能做到，这很可能是一些员工喜欢的有趣项目。如果某个工程师在业余时间让它实现运行，我也不会感到惊讶，我只是想看看他们是否可以做到
It doesn't invite irresponsible behavior, because it can't be used unless the car is in park.Honestly, this probably didn't take a whole lot of "engineering time" in order to do it as emulators and translation layers are widely available, very likely was a fun project for some employees to work on and enjoy, and makes for a pretty good advertisement disguised as a press release.I wouldn't be surprised if this was the result of some engineer getting it running in his spare time just to see if they could, sho
它不会导致不负责任的结果，因为除非你把车停好了，否则游戏功能不能使用。说实话，这个限制并不需要花费太多的“设计时间”。
因为在模拟器和数据翻译层上很容易就能做到，这很可能是一些员工喜欢的有趣项目。如果某个工程师在业余时间让它实现运行，我也不会感到惊讶，我只是想看看他们是否可以做到
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So you're suggesting they wait that they got autopilot before they install 10 teraflops computer to their cars and retrofit the old one?Sound more logical to me that they install the hardware now don't you think? Furthermore, a powerful computer has many other advantages than gaming.
所以你是在建议他们等有了自动驾驶功能之后，再在车上安装10万亿次浮点运算的电脑，然后翻新旧的那台吗？在我看来，他们现在安装硬件更合乎逻辑，你不觉得吗？另外，一个强大的计算机有比玩游戏更多的其他优势。
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So you're suggesting they wait that they got autopilot before they install 10 teraflops computer to their cars and retrofit the old one?Sound more logical to me that they install the hardware now don't you think? Furthermore, a powerful computer has many other advantages than gaming.
所以你是在建议他们等有了自动驾驶功能之后，再在车上安装10万亿次浮点运算的电脑，然后翻新旧的那台吗？在我看来，他们现在安装硬件更合乎逻辑，你不觉得吗？另外，一个强大的计算机有比玩游戏更多的其他优势。
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I dunno about "Witcher" but they also have a driving game that uses the steering wheel and pedals.
我不知道《巫师》如何，但他们也有一款使用方向盘和踏板的驾驶游戏。
I dunno about "Witcher" but they also have a driving game that uses the steering wheel and pedals.
我不知道《巫师》如何，但他们也有一款使用方向盘和踏板的驾驶游戏。
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Hopefully comes with a free chiropractor visit.
希望还能得到一次免费的脊椎按摩（按摩座椅？）
Hopefully comes with a free chiropractor visit.
希望还能得到一次免费的脊椎按摩（按摩座椅？）
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Yikes! Imagine you mistakenly step hard on the pedal while the car is on "run" mode thinking you're starting a game. And if you're able to accelerate the car in this mistake, it would be catastrophic! But I'm sure there're precautious builtin stuffs that'd prevent you from mistakenly move the car while in gaming mode. I don't own a tesla so what do I know lol.
and when some dies from that the courts may
and when some dies from that the courts may make Tesla pay out big time.
呵！想象一下，当汽车处于“飞奔”模式时，你突然误踩到了踏板，以为自己正在玩驾驶飞车游戏。如果你在这个错误下开始加速，那将是一场灾难！
但我敢肯定，在游戏模式下，有预防的内置限制，可以防止你失误移动汽车。哦对了，我连特斯拉都没有，所以我知道什么啊，哈哈。
如果有人因为这个死掉，法院可能会让特斯拉赔一大笔钱。
Yikes! Imagine you mistakenly step hard on the pedal while the car is on "run" mode thinking you're starting a game. And if you're able to accelerate the car in this mistake, it would be catastrophic! But I'm sure there're precautious builtin stuffs that'd prevent you from mistakenly move the car while in gaming mode. I don't own a tesla so what do I know lol.
and when some dies from that the courts may
and when some dies from that the courts may make Tesla pay out big time.
呵！想象一下，当汽车处于“飞奔”模式时，你突然误踩到了踏板，以为自己正在玩驾驶飞车游戏。如果你在这个错误下开始加速，那将是一场灾难！
但我敢肯定，在游戏模式下，有预防的内置限制，可以防止你失误移动汽车。哦对了，我连特斯拉都没有，所以我知道什么啊，哈哈。
如果有人因为这个死掉，法院可能会让特斯拉赔一大笔钱。
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Except that you can't start the game unless you're in park, and you can't put the car into a mobile mode without the game exiting.It's almost like they thought of the most obvious problem with this without having the peanut gallery sign off..
除非你在停车状态，否则你不能开始玩游戏，但你也不能在汽车移动模式中退出游戏。这就好像他们明明知道一个明显的严重问题，却没有解决它……
Except that you can't start the game unless you're in park, and you can't put the car into a mobile mode without the game exiting.It's almost like they thought of the most obvious problem with this without having the peanut gallery sign off..
除非你在停车状态，否则你不能开始玩游戏，但你也不能在汽车移动模式中退出游戏。这就好像他们明明知道一个明显的严重问题，却没有解决它……
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That seems counterproductive to the main use of such a feature: entertaining the kids while you're busy monitoring the car's driving.
这会不会和游戏功能的主要用途背道而驰：在你忙着开车的同时，你的孩子们在玩游戏。
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That seems counterproductive to the main use of such a feature: entertaining the kids while you're busy monitoring the car's driving.
这会不会和游戏功能的主要用途背道而驰：在你忙着开车的同时，你的孩子们在玩游戏。
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The kids already have tablets for that.
孩子们已经有平板电脑了。
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The kids already have tablets for that.
孩子们已经有平板电脑了。
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Re:But Why? ~nt~ (Score:4, Funny)
by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:02PM (#61002604) Journal
Because it's nice to have something to entertain yourself while at a supercharger on a road trip.
Why not?
因为在公路旅行的时候，在车里找点东西自娱自乐是件很好的事情。
为什么不这么做呢？
by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:02PM (#61002604) Journal
Because it's nice to have something to entertain yourself while at a supercharger on a road trip.
Why not?
因为在公路旅行的时候，在车里找点东西自娱自乐是件很好的事情。
为什么不这么做呢？
Re:But Why? --AI
Gaming hardware and AI hardware are similar. My guess is this puts the hardware in place and gives a use for it before the self driving AI/ML software (while will need that hardware) is finalized
游戏硬件和AI硬件是相似的。我的猜测是，在自动驾驶AI/ML软件(虽然需要高硬件)最终完成之前，这就等于把硬件放在了合适的位置，让它发挥了价值
Gaming hardware and AI hardware are similar. My guess is this puts the hardware in place and gives a use for it before the self driving AI/ML software (while will need that hardware) is finalized
游戏硬件和AI硬件是相似的。我的猜测是，在自动驾驶AI/ML软件(虽然需要高硬件)最终完成之前，这就等于把硬件放在了合适的位置，让它发挥了价值
Square Steering Wheel (Score:2)
I looked at the pictures of the interior and notice that new Tesla S has weird steering wheel with no stalks of anything like that. I can't see this being ergonomic. This is just like these constant UI redesigns, only this time it is actual car.
我看了一下内部的图片，注意到新的特斯拉S有一个奇怪的方向盘，没有任何类似的柄。我不认为这是符合人体工程学的设计，这就像如今不断改变的UI设计（朝令夕改或时代变化太快），只是这次是真正的汽车。
I looked at the pictures of the interior and notice that new Tesla S has weird steering wheel with no stalks of anything like that. I can't see this being ergonomic. This is just like these constant UI redesigns, only this time it is actual car.
我看了一下内部的图片，注意到新的特斯拉S有一个奇怪的方向盘，没有任何类似的柄。我不认为这是符合人体工程学的设计，这就像如今不断改变的UI设计（朝令夕改或时代变化太快），只是这次是真正的汽车。
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Don't know about the steering wheel ergonomics, but it makes sense to me to get rid of the stalks. I can see how switching to buttons on the steering wheel, uh steering yoke, instead would be better than the stalks. We are used to stalks, but we'll get used to tapping the buttons just as easy if not easier. And yes there are buttons on the front of the steering yoke .. you can see it the tap symbols on it.
我不懂方向盘的人体工程学，但我觉得他们改变设计是有道理的。我能看出来切换到方向盘上的按钮，要比单纯的转向杆好。我们习惯了功能转向杆，我们也会习惯按钮。是的，在转向杆的前面也有按钮，你可以看到上面的提示按键符号。
Don't know about the steering wheel ergonomics, but it makes sense to me to get rid of the stalks. I can see how switching to buttons on the steering wheel, uh steering yoke, instead would be better than the stalks. We are used to stalks, but we'll get used to tapping the buttons just as easy if not easier. And yes there are buttons on the front of the steering yoke .. you can see it the tap symbols on it.
我不懂方向盘的人体工程学，但我觉得他们改变设计是有道理的。我能看出来切换到方向盘上的按钮，要比单纯的转向杆好。我们习惯了功能转向杆，我们也会习惯按钮。是的，在转向杆的前面也有按钮，你可以看到上面的提示按键符号。
Re:Square Steering Wheel (Score:4, Insightful)
by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday January 28, 2021 @01:57PM (#61002290)
The stalk has tactile feedback - you can tell status by feel. By moving it to buttons you are removing that tactile feedback. Cnsequently, you will have more people a) forget to signal turns b) forget to turn off turn signal.
该柄有触觉反馈，你可以通过感觉来判断状态。而通过将它改变成按钮的方式，你就不需要触觉反馈（意识习惯，自己判断）。因此，会有更多的人犯错，如a)忘记打转弯处的信号b)忘记关掉转弯处的信号。
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by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday January 28, 2021 @01:57PM (#61002290)
The stalk has tactile feedback - you can tell status by feel. By moving it to buttons you are removing that tactile feedback. Cnsequently, you will have more people a) forget to signal turns b) forget to turn off turn signal.
该柄有触觉反馈，你可以通过感觉来判断状态。而通过将它改变成按钮的方式，你就不需要触觉反馈（意识习惯，自己判断）。因此，会有更多的人犯错，如a)忘记打转弯处的信号b)忘记关掉转弯处的信号。
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blxers: wrong example.
Though I agree with the general idea of your post, you just happen to have picked the wrong example.- On virtually any vehicle, blxer have an auditory feed-back. Either a real hardware one (actual relays clicking on some very old vehicles) or skeumorphic one (speakers playing beeps or tick-tock sounds). You immediately notice when the sound is missing.
- On nearly all modern vehicle except some entry-level motorcycles and motorscooters, the turn signal automatically shuts down at the end of the turn once t
虽然我同意你大部分的观点，但你却选错了例子。几乎在所有车辆上，都有听觉反馈设备。要么是硬件设备的真实听觉反馈(一些非常老的车辆，使用继电器打火)，要么是假的(播放哔哔声或滴答声的扬声器)，这些声音会立刻提醒你它消失了。
另外，除了一些入门级的摩托车和小型摩托车外，几乎所有的现代车辆在转弯结束时，都会自动关闭转弯灯
Though I agree with the general idea of your post, you just happen to have picked the wrong example.- On virtually any vehicle, blxer have an auditory feed-back. Either a real hardware one (actual relays clicking on some very old vehicles) or skeumorphic one (speakers playing beeps or tick-tock sounds). You immediately notice when the sound is missing.
- On nearly all modern vehicle except some entry-level motorcycles and motorscooters, the turn signal automatically shuts down at the end of the turn once t
虽然我同意你大部分的观点，但你却选错了例子。几乎在所有车辆上，都有听觉反馈设备。要么是硬件设备的真实听觉反馈(一些非常老的车辆，使用继电器打火)，要么是假的(播放哔哔声或滴答声的扬声器)，这些声音会立刻提醒你它消失了。
另外，除了一些入门级的摩托车和小型摩托车外，几乎所有的现代车辆在转弯结束时，都会自动关闭转弯灯
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Also note that the yoke as presented by Tesla is illegal in many jurisdictions. There are specific regulations on what the wheel must be like on production vehicles. I for one am glad, that yoke that Tesla is providing looks horrible.Also, I don't particularly care about autopilot (even if I could afford a Tesla) as I actually enjoy driving, as a task. It's a never ending puzzle.
还要注意的是，特斯拉提出的规则在许多司法管辖区都是非法的，大家对于生产车辆的轮子必须是什么样子，都有具体的规定。我很高兴，特斯拉提供的规则看起来很糟糕。
此外，我并不是特别关心自动驾驶(即使我买得起特斯拉)，因为我其实很喜欢开车，把它当作一个习惯，这是一个永无休止的谜题（喜欢开车）。
Also note that the yoke as presented by Tesla is illegal in many jurisdictions. There are specific regulations on what the wheel must be like on production vehicles. I for one am glad, that yoke that Tesla is providing looks horrible.Also, I don't particularly care about autopilot (even if I could afford a Tesla) as I actually enjoy driving, as a task. It's a never ending puzzle.
还要注意的是，特斯拉提出的规则在许多司法管辖区都是非法的，大家对于生产车辆的轮子必须是什么样子，都有具体的规定。我很高兴，特斯拉提供的规则看起来很糟糕。
此外，我并不是特别关心自动驾驶(即使我买得起特斯拉)，因为我其实很喜欢开车，把它当作一个习惯，这是一个永无休止的谜题（喜欢开车）。
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I had to google "lumber-sexual hipster". Why come up with a new name for pussy?
我不得不在谷歌搜素"超级性感潮人"，为什么要给猫咪（在开车，指某高潮部位）取一个新名字?
I had to google "lumber-sexual hipster". Why come up with a new name for pussy?
我不得不在谷歌搜素"超级性感潮人"，为什么要给猫咪（在开车，指某高潮部位）取一个新名字?
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They know what I am talking about, even downvoted my post. I must have hurt their feelings.
他们知道我在说什么，甚至给我的帖子投了反对票，我一定伤了他们的心。
They know what I am talking about, even downvoted my post. I must have hurt their feelings.
他们知道我在说什么，甚至给我的帖子投了反对票，我一定伤了他们的心。
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I'd give you +1 Funny if I could.
如果可以，我会给你投一个滑稽。
I'd give you +1 Funny if I could.
如果可以，我会给你投一个滑稽。
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The top of the steering wheel obscures the driver display. The hand positioning I find in a Tesla (Y at least) puts the “gear sextor” stalk in an awkward position for many operations (as its function is overloaded). They are moving everything to a primarily autonomous future, which makes some sense— it will improve single hand driving on Autopilot for sure.
方向盘的顶部遮住了驾驶显示器，我在一辆特斯拉(Tesla)汽车上还发现手动定位(比如Y)，使“齿轮选择器”杆在许多操作中处于尴尬的位置(因为它的功能超负荷了)。
他们正在把一切都转移到未来的自动驾驶，这在一定程度上有理由——它肯定会改进自动驾驶仪上的单手驾驶功能。
The top of the steering wheel obscures the driver display. The hand positioning I find in a Tesla (Y at least) puts the “gear sextor” stalk in an awkward position for many operations (as its function is overloaded). They are moving everything to a primarily autonomous future, which makes some sense— it will improve single hand driving on Autopilot for sure.
方向盘的顶部遮住了驾驶显示器，我在一辆特斯拉(Tesla)汽车上还发现手动定位(比如Y)，使“齿轮选择器”杆在许多操作中处于尴尬的位置(因为它的功能超负荷了)。
他们正在把一切都转移到未来的自动驾驶，这在一定程度上有理由——它肯定会改进自动驾驶仪上的单手驾驶功能。
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The new idea is that it will guess whether you want to be in drive or reverse from sensors and context. That sounds like a good idea!You can override it from the touchscreen, but still....
新的想法是，它将根据传感器和环境来猜测你是想要开车还是倒车。听起来是个好主意！你可以从触摸屏上重写这个功能，但仍然……
The new idea is that it will guess whether you want to be in drive or reverse from sensors and context. That sounds like a good idea!You can override it from the touchscreen, but still....
新的想法是，它将根据传感器和环境来猜测你是想要开车还是倒车。听起来是个好主意！你可以从触摸屏上重写这个功能，但仍然……
What could go wrong? (Score:2)
Tesla seems to be setting itself up for some legal action when the first distracted driver has an accident/
当第一个分心的司机发生事故后，特斯拉会准备采取法律行动（北美必胜客）
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Tesla seems to be setting itself up for some legal action when the first distracted driver has an accident/
当第一个分心的司机发生事故后，特斯拉会准备采取法律行动（北美必胜客）
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"Tesla seems to be setting itself up for some legal action when the first distracted driver has an accident"With current Teslas, you can't play the games while the car is in motion--only when stopped and the vehicle is in Park.
“对于目前的特斯拉，你不能在汽车行驶时玩游戏——只有在停车时才可以玩。”
"Tesla seems to be setting itself up for some legal action when the first distracted driver has an accident"With current Teslas, you can't play the games while the car is in motion--only when stopped and the vehicle is in Park.
“对于目前的特斯拉，你不能在汽车行驶时玩游戏——只有在停车时才可以玩。”
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Which has been standard for years in many cars, particularly Honda who give you an HDMI port. Many let you okay video from USB drive as well, e.g. Kia.Except in Japan where you can watch TV while driving. They even have special broadcasts for mobile recievers.
better for that to happen now befor selfdrive as t
better for that to happen now before selfdrive as that will let them setup an EULA and may some court cases. So when they do have full self drive then the have old cases to go back to get out of it.
这是许多汽车多年来的标准配置，特别是本田，它会给你一个HDMI接口。很多手机还能让你从USB驱动器中下载视频，比如起亚。在日本，你可以一边开车一边看电视。他们甚至为改变接收器，为你准备特别广播。
特斯拉最好现在就在自动驾驶之前布局。
因为这将让他们建立一个数据反馈和收集，当然可能会有一些法庭案件……所以当他们真的有了全自动驾驶的时候，就可以用旧经验来解决问题。
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Which has been standard for years in many cars, particularly Honda who give you an HDMI port. Many let you okay video from USB drive as well, e.g. Kia.Except in Japan where you can watch TV while driving. They even have special broadcasts for mobile recievers.
better for that to happen now befor selfdrive as t
better for that to happen now before selfdrive as that will let them setup an EULA and may some court cases. So when they do have full self drive then the have old cases to go back to get out of it.
这是许多汽车多年来的标准配置，特别是本田，它会给你一个HDMI接口。很多手机还能让你从USB驱动器中下载视频，比如起亚。在日本，你可以一边开车一边看电视。他们甚至为改变接收器，为你准备特别广播。
特斯拉最好现在就在自动驾驶之前布局。
因为这将让他们建立一个数据反馈和收集，当然可能会有一些法庭案件……所以当他们真的有了全自动驾驶的时候，就可以用旧经验来解决问题。
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Or distracting other drivers. I remember when in car entertainment became a thing, and the kids who play porn movies mounted on screen in the back. Now we are going to have these big screen broadcasting video games.
或者分散其他司机的注意力。我记得在汽车娱乐开始流行的时候，孩子们在后面的屏幕上看色情电影。现在我们将用这些大屏幕玩游戏。
Or distracting other drivers. I remember when in car entertainment became a thing, and the kids who play porn movies mounted on screen in the back. Now we are going to have these big screen broadcasting video games.
或者分散其他司机的注意力。我记得在汽车娱乐开始流行的时候，孩子们在后面的屏幕上看色情电影。现在我们将用这些大屏幕玩游戏。
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And a few Slashdot posters seem to be setting themselves up for ridicule for thinking that you can be playing this, or any other game in the "toybox" while the car is able to move.It's all locked out unless you're in "park" just like the Netflix client that I'm sure you probably also raised the same nonsense obxtion to.
还有一些Slashdot的文章似乎在自嘲，因为他们认为，当汽车能够自己移动时，你就可以在“玩具盒”里玩巫师或任何其他游戏。除非你是在“停车状态”，该功能会被禁止，就像Netflix的做法一样，我相信你可能也提出了同样荒谬的反对意见。
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And a few Slashdot posters seem to be setting themselves up for ridicule for thinking that you can be playing this, or any other game in the "toybox" while the car is able to move.It's all locked out unless you're in "park" just like the Netflix client that I'm sure you probably also raised the same nonsense obxtion to.
还有一些Slashdot的文章似乎在自嘲，因为他们认为，当汽车能够自己移动时，你就可以在“玩具盒”里玩巫师或任何其他游戏。除非你是在“停车状态”，该功能会被禁止，就像Netflix的做法一样，我相信你可能也提出了同样荒谬的反对意见。
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storage size and how fast to flash burn out? (Score:2)
storage size and how fast to flash burn out?
存储容量和闪存燃烧的速度有多快？
storage size and how fast to flash burn out?
存储容量和闪存燃烧的速度有多快？
And yet my car won't let me add bluetooth device (Score:2)
And yet my car won't let me pair a new bluetooth device while the car is moving. Would be too distracting. Somehow they think the passenger can't do it.
然而，我的车不允许我在开车的时候配对新的蓝牙设备，就像这会让人太分心。不知道为什么，他们认为乘客不能连蓝牙一样。
And yet my car won't let me pair a new bluetooth device while the car is moving. Would be too distracting. Somehow they think the passenger can't do it.
然而，我的车不允许我在开车的时候配对新的蓝牙设备，就像这会让人太分心。不知道为什么，他们认为乘客不能连蓝牙一样。
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They don’t think that. They just don’t trust the driver not to take advantage of the fact that the passenger could do it.Which, given all available evidence, seems to be a reasonable approach.
他们不这么认为。他们只是不相信司机会让乘客连蓝牙这件事。从现有证据来看，这似乎是个合理的方法。
They don’t think that. They just don’t trust the driver not to take advantage of the fact that the passenger could do it.Which, given all available evidence, seems to be a reasonable approach.
他们不这么认为。他们只是不相信司机会让乘客连蓝牙这件事。从现有证据来看，这似乎是个合理的方法。
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OK but how come Tesla can have dozens of functions hidden into their touch screen interface, and now games, but I can't let my passenger change a setting?
好吧，但为什么特斯拉的触摸屏界面可以隐藏几十种功能，现在还有游戏，我却不能让我的乘客连个蓝牙？
OK but how come Tesla can have dozens of functions hidden into their touch screen interface, and now games, but I can't let my passenger change a setting?
好吧，但为什么特斯拉的触摸屏界面可以隐藏几十种功能，现在还有游戏，我却不能让我的乘客连个蓝牙？
Welcome to... (Score:2)
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
“你们的科学家们总是专注于他们是否能做到，而没有停下来思考他们是否应该做到。”
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
“你们的科学家们总是专注于他们是否能做到，而没有停下来思考他们是否应该做到。”
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Don't do that. Actual scientists are educated individuals that work for a living.Now, as far as the fucking marketing idiots rambling on about gaming console performance in cars...
不要这样说，真正的科学家都是受过教育，为谋生而工作的人。现在，当那些该死的营销白痴，在汽车上疯狂地谈论游戏机的性能时……
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Don't do that. Actual scientists are educated individuals that work for a living.Now, as far as the fucking marketing idiots rambling on about gaming console performance in cars...
不要这样说，真正的科学家都是受过教育，为谋生而工作的人。现在，当那些该死的营销白痴，在汽车上疯狂地谈论游戏机的性能时……
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Let's see the scalpers buy them up (Score:4, Funny)
by xack ( 5304745 ) on Thursday January 28, 2021 @01:58PM (#61002298)
Let's see how many scalpers start buying up $80,000 cars to sell for even more.
让我们看看有多少黄牛，开始购买8万美元的汽车然后卖更多钱。
by xack ( 5304745 ) on Thursday January 28, 2021 @01:58PM (#61002298)
Let's see how many scalpers start buying up $80,000 cars to sell for even more.
让我们看看有多少黄牛，开始购买8万美元的汽车然后卖更多钱。
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People are doing this for the Cybertruck already. Yes, cars depreciate, but not if they are in extremely high demand. Good example is the C8 Corvette. People who manage to get one are selling them for way more than MSRP to people who did not manage to get in line for one. I don't know how pervasive this is, but I know of several people who have reserved several Cybertrucks with the intention to resell them more or less immediately.
人们已经开始在Cybertruck之上这样做了。是的，汽车会贬值，但如果它们的需求非常高，就不会贬值。C8克尔维特就是一个很好的例子。那些能买到的人会以比建议零售价高得多的价格，卖给那些没能排队买到的人。
我不知道这种情况有多普遍，但我知道有几个人囤积了几辆Cybertruck，打算立即转售它们。
People are doing this for the Cybertruck already. Yes, cars depreciate, but not if they are in extremely high demand. Good example is the C8 Corvette. People who manage to get one are selling them for way more than MSRP to people who did not manage to get in line for one. I don't know how pervasive this is, but I know of several people who have reserved several Cybertrucks with the intention to resell them more or less immediately.
人们已经开始在Cybertruck之上这样做了。是的，汽车会贬值，但如果它们的需求非常高，就不会贬值。C8克尔维特就是一个很好的例子。那些能买到的人会以比建议零售价高得多的价格，卖给那些没能排队买到的人。
我不知道这种情况有多普遍，但我知道有几个人囤积了几辆Cybertruck，打算立即转售它们。
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