话题：福特，而不是特斯拉，正在制造的电动皮卡将改变电动汽车行业
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In 2019, Tesla blew up the internet when it revealed the Cybertruck. But it was just a prototype that polarized people with its dystopian design. Ford, at the time, was actually selling trucks — a lot of them. The bestselling truck for the past five years has been Ford's F-150.
2019年，特斯拉在互联网上公布了赛博皮卡。但它只是一个原型，它的反乌托邦设计让人们两极分化。当时，福特实际上是在卖皮卡，而且卖得很多。过去五年里最畅销的皮卡是福特的F-150。
In 2019, Tesla blew up the internet when it revealed the Cybertruck. But it was just a prototype that polarized people with its dystopian design. Ford, at the time, was actually selling trucks — a lot of them. The bestselling truck for the past five years has been Ford's F-150.
2019年，特斯拉在互联网上公布了赛博皮卡。但它只是一个原型，它的反乌托邦设计让人们两极分化。当时，福特实际上是在卖皮卡，而且卖得很多。过去五年里最畅销的皮卡是福特的F-150。
Now Ford is going electric, too. The F-150 Lightning is the company's first electric truck.
现在，福特也开始转向电动汽车。F-150闪电皮卡是该公司的第一辆电动皮卡。
现在，福特也开始转向电动汽车。F-150闪电皮卡是该公司的第一辆电动皮卡。
In 2020, during the pandemic, Ford sold 556,145 gas-powered F-150 trucks, according to auto data firm Edmunds.
根据汽车数据公司Edmunds的数据显示，2020年，在大流行期间，福特售出了556145辆汽油驱动的F-150皮卡。
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根据汽车数据公司Edmunds的数据显示，2020年，在大流行期间，福特售出了556145辆汽油驱动的F-150皮卡。
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RevolutionaryPack2
It’s always amazing how many people think Tesla doesn’t want competition, Elon has stated so many times he hoped Tesla would force other companies to finally compete with them and here we are
令人惊讶的是，有多少人认为特斯拉不想与福特竞争，埃隆多次表示，他希望特斯拉能迫使其他公司最终与他们竞争，现在我们来了
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It’s always amazing how many people think Tesla doesn’t want competition, Elon has stated so many times he hoped Tesla would force other companies to finally compete with them and here we are
令人惊讶的是，有多少人认为特斯拉不想与福特竞争，埃隆多次表示，他希望特斯拉能迫使其他公司最终与他们竞争，现在我们来了
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DandrewMcClutchen
He even congratulated Ford on Twitter.
他甚至在推特上祝贺福特。
He even congratulated Ford on Twitter.
他甚至在推特上祝贺福特。
EagleZR
Yeah, I'm curious how Ford is going to handle the battery supply issues. Tesla has been pushing hard for a while for more supply, but they're still restricted by it. Tesla's total production across all models, across all continents is currently about the same as only F-150. If Ford is only making 80,000/year Lightnings, and Cybertruck is at 250,000/year (I can't find the source I based my earlier guess on, but this one has firmer numbers), and assuming they all sell, Tesla will still be #1 in changing the market even if people do like the F-150 Lightning more. Ford seems to be relying on 3rd party battery suppliers while Tesla produces their own and I think I heard they're even buying their own lithium mines. Maybe Ford will have to get in that game as well if they want to stay competitive, but we'll see.
And, as Elon often says, prototypes are easy, large-scale production is hard. Ford has a lot of experience with ICE vehicles, but we'll see how it translates to EVs. Mach E seems promising, but we'll see if the same will be true for the Lighting. A lot of "we'll see", but that's about all anyone can do at this point. This article is garbage for suggesting anything otherwise.
是的，我很好奇福特将如何处理电池供应的问题。特斯拉一直在努力争取更多的供应，但他们仍然受到限制。目前，特斯拉在各大洲所有车型的总产量仅相当于F-150的总产量。如果福特每年生产8万辆闪电皮卡，而赛博皮卡每年生产25万辆(根据我之前的猜测，我找不到资料来源，但这个有更确切的数字)，假设它们都能卖出去了，即使人们更喜欢F-150闪电皮卡，特斯拉在改变市场方面仍将是第一名。福特似乎依赖第三方电池供应商，而特斯拉自己生产，我想他们甚至在购买自己的锂矿。如果福特想要保持竞争力，也许他们也必须加入这场竞争，但我们将拭目以待。
而且，正如埃隆经常说的那样，制造原型很容易，但大规模生产却很难。福特在ICE汽车方面有丰富的经验，但我们拭目以待它将如何转化为电动汽车。福特野马马赫E似乎很有前途，但我们将看到福特闪电皮卡是否也很有前景。说了很多“等着瞧”，但现在每个人也都只能这么做了。这篇文章提出的任何其他建议都是垃圾。
Yeah, I'm curious how Ford is going to handle the battery supply issues. Tesla has been pushing hard for a while for more supply, but they're still restricted by it. Tesla's total production across all models, across all continents is currently about the same as only F-150. If Ford is only making 80,000/year Lightnings, and Cybertruck is at 250,000/year (I can't find the source I based my earlier guess on, but this one has firmer numbers), and assuming they all sell, Tesla will still be #1 in changing the market even if people do like the F-150 Lightning more. Ford seems to be relying on 3rd party battery suppliers while Tesla produces their own and I think I heard they're even buying their own lithium mines. Maybe Ford will have to get in that game as well if they want to stay competitive, but we'll see.
And, as Elon often says, prototypes are easy, large-scale production is hard. Ford has a lot of experience with ICE vehicles, but we'll see how it translates to EVs. Mach E seems promising, but we'll see if the same will be true for the Lighting. A lot of "we'll see", but that's about all anyone can do at this point. This article is garbage for suggesting anything otherwise.
是的，我很好奇福特将如何处理电池供应的问题。特斯拉一直在努力争取更多的供应，但他们仍然受到限制。目前，特斯拉在各大洲所有车型的总产量仅相当于F-150的总产量。如果福特每年生产8万辆闪电皮卡，而赛博皮卡每年生产25万辆(根据我之前的猜测，我找不到资料来源，但这个有更确切的数字)，假设它们都能卖出去了，即使人们更喜欢F-150闪电皮卡，特斯拉在改变市场方面仍将是第一名。福特似乎依赖第三方电池供应商，而特斯拉自己生产，我想他们甚至在购买自己的锂矿。如果福特想要保持竞争力，也许他们也必须加入这场竞争，但我们将拭目以待。
而且，正如埃隆经常说的那样，制造原型很容易，但大规模生产却很难。福特在ICE汽车方面有丰富的经验，但我们拭目以待它将如何转化为电动汽车。福特野马马赫E似乎很有前途，但我们将看到福特闪电皮卡是否也很有前景。说了很多“等着瞧”，但现在每个人也都只能这么做了。这篇文章提出的任何其他建议都是垃圾。
Caption-_-Obvious
"The base version with 230 miles of range starts at $39,974, while the 300-mile version begins at $90,000."
That is a very expensive 70 miles
“续航里程为230英里的基本版起价39,974美元，而续航里程为300英里的版本起价9万美元。”
这是非常昂贵的70英里
"The base version with 230 miles of range starts at $39,974, while the 300-mile version begins at $90,000."
That is a very expensive 70 miles
“续航里程为230英里的基本版起价39,974美元，而续航里程为300英里的版本起价9万美元。”
这是非常昂贵的70英里
neon_Hermit
Man, even Biden was pushing these trucks... wtf is going on that a new commercial product gets this much attention? Seeing more news about these fucking trucks than I am about the impending war in the middle east.
天啊，连拜登都在推这些皮卡……一个新的商业产品得到如此多的关注，这是怎么回事?
关于这些该死的皮卡的新闻比中东即将爆发的战争还多。
Man, even Biden was pushing these trucks... wtf is going on that a new commercial product gets this much attention? Seeing more news about these fucking trucks than I am about the impending war in the middle east.
天啊，连拜登都在推这些皮卡……一个新的商业产品得到如此多的关注，这是怎么回事?
关于这些该死的皮卡的新闻比中东即将爆发的战争还多。
arizonajill
Man, has anyone else noticed that we're all getting slammed with Electric Ford F-150 propaganda from every source? Seems they're putting a lot of cash into the campaign for this truck.
天啊，有没有人注意到我们都在被各种来源的福特F-150宣传猛烈抨击？看来他们为这辆皮卡的竞争活动投入了大量资金。
Man, has anyone else noticed that we're all getting slammed with Electric Ford F-150 propaganda from every source? Seems they're putting a lot of cash into the campaign for this truck.
天啊，有没有人注意到我们都在被各种来源的福特F-150宣传猛烈抨击？看来他们为这辆皮卡的竞争活动投入了大量资金。
xrmb
Not sure why, seems like they got 40k pre orders and will make 20k this year.
不知道为什么，好像他们拿到了4万订单，今年会赚2万。
Not sure why, seems like they got 40k pre orders and will make 20k this year.
不知道为什么，好像他们拿到了4万订单，今年会赚2万。
ledeuxmagots
Tesla was the one who changed the EV industry.
Ford may be the one who changes the EV market.
特斯拉改变了电动汽车行业。
福特可能是改变电动汽车市场的公司。
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Tesla was the one who changed the EV industry.
Ford may be the one who changes the EV market.
特斯拉改变了电动汽车行业。
福特可能是改变电动汽车市场的公司。
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Vic5O1
As usual nothing concrete. Not that tesla is better, but all these opinion pieces about whole will “change the EV industry” are just dumb. How about we wait to see until the trucks are out and then see which one changed the EV market. Last time I checked, opinion pieces said the Mach-E was supposed surpass the model 3….
像往常一样，没有具体的实物。并不是说特斯拉更好，而是所有这些关于将“改变电动汽车行业”的观点都是愚蠢的。我们还是等皮卡出来后再看是哪一种改变了电动汽车市场吧。上次我查了一下，有评论说福特野马马赫- e应该会超过model 3。
As usual nothing concrete. Not that tesla is better, but all these opinion pieces about whole will “change the EV industry” are just dumb. How about we wait to see until the trucks are out and then see which one changed the EV market. Last time I checked, opinion pieces said the Mach-E was supposed surpass the model 3….
像往常一样，没有具体的实物。并不是说特斯拉更好，而是所有这些关于将“改变电动汽车行业”的观点都是愚蠢的。我们还是等皮卡出来后再看是哪一种改变了电动汽车市场吧。上次我查了一下，有评论说福特野马马赫- e应该会超过model 3。
troglodyte
These are both great steps, but neither one of these is going to revolutionize the pickup market until revision two or three.
这些都是伟大的进步，但在第二次或第三次修正之前，它们都不会彻底改变皮卡市场。
These are both great steps, but neither one of these is going to revolutionize the pickup market until revision two or three.
这些都是伟大的进步，但在第二次或第三次修正之前，它们都不会彻底改变皮卡市场。
dammit_bobby420
Its all for nothing without the charging network to go with it
没有充电赛博皮卡，这一切都是徒劳的
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Its all for nothing without the charging network to go with it
没有充电赛博皮卡，这一切都是徒劳的
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5amporterbridges
By my comparisons of this article to Tesla’s website, it seems to me that the cybertruck beats Ford’s EV truck without even trying. The two base models are roughly the same price but Ford’s EV going to a 300+ mile range makes it go up to $90,000 while Tesla’s 500+ mile range is $70,000. Seems pretty simple when adding $10,000 to the Tesla gets Full Self-Driving.
通过我把这篇文章和特斯拉的赛博皮卡进行比较，在我看来，赛博皮卡毫不费力就击败了福特的电动皮卡。这两款基础车型的价格大致相同，但福特的电动汽车续航里程为300英里以上，售价高达9万美元，而特斯拉的续航里程为500英里以上，售价为7万美元。给特斯拉加1万美元就能完全自动驾驶，这看起来很简单。
By my comparisons of this article to Tesla’s website, it seems to me that the cybertruck beats Ford’s EV truck without even trying. The two base models are roughly the same price but Ford’s EV going to a 300+ mile range makes it go up to $90,000 while Tesla’s 500+ mile range is $70,000. Seems pretty simple when adding $10,000 to the Tesla gets Full Self-Driving.
通过我把这篇文章和特斯拉的赛博皮卡进行比较，在我看来，赛博皮卡毫不费力就击败了福特的电动皮卡。这两款基础车型的价格大致相同，但福特的电动汽车续航里程为300英里以上，售价高达9万美元，而特斯拉的续航里程为500英里以上，售价为7万美元。给特斯拉加1万美元就能完全自动驾驶，这看起来很简单。
ItzChiips
Ford is still years behind and anyone who buys a new Ford and tries to tow anything is in for a surprise when their range is absolute shit
福特仍然落后了几年，任何买了一辆新福特并试图拖东西的人都会惊讶地发现，他们的里程绝对是狗屎
Ford is still years behind and anyone who buys a new Ford and tries to tow anything is in for a surprise when their range is absolute shit
福特仍然落后了几年，任何买了一辆新福特并试图拖东西的人都会惊讶地发现，他们的里程绝对是狗屎
SkyPork
Ford is only doing anything in the electric vehicle market because of Tesla.
福特之所以在电动汽车市场有所作为，完全是因为特斯拉。
Ford is only doing anything in the electric vehicle market because of Tesla.
福特之所以在电动汽车市场有所作为，完全是因为特斯拉。
leif777
I might not like Musk but I can't deny the dude busted his balls to make EVs happen. He almost went bankrupt 3 times fighting for it.
我可能不喜欢马斯克，但我不能否认他为了让电动汽车成为现实拼了老命。他三次为了它差点破产。
I might not like Musk but I can't deny the dude busted his balls to make EVs happen. He almost went bankrupt 3 times fighting for it.
我可能不喜欢马斯克，但我不能否认他为了让电动汽车成为现实拼了老命。他三次为了它差点破产。
gordo65
In 2019, the average sticker price for a new EV was $20,000 more than the price of a new gas car. Meanwhile, the electric F-150 is only a little more than $11,000 more expensive than the gas version. And driving an EV can save a driver up to $14,000 in fuel costs over 15 years, according to the NRDC.
2019年，一辆新电动汽车的平均标价比一辆新汽油车高出2万美元。与此同时，电动版的F-150只比汽油版贵1.1万美元多一点。根据自然资源保护委员会的数据，驾驶一辆电动汽车可以在15年内节省高达14,000美元的燃料费用。
In 2019, the average sticker price for a new EV was $20,000 more than the price of a new gas car. Meanwhile, the electric F-150 is only a little more than $11,000 more expensive than the gas version. And driving an EV can save a driver up to $14,000 in fuel costs over 15 years, according to the NRDC.
2019年，一辆新电动汽车的平均标价比一辆新汽油车高出2万美元。与此同时，电动版的F-150只比汽油版贵1.1万美元多一点。根据自然资源保护委员会的数据，驾驶一辆电动汽车可以在15年内节省高达14,000美元的燃料费用。
A40
I'm in central Canada. F-150's everywhere. Charging stations? No. There are almost none.
我在加拿大中部，f - 150无处不在。有充电站吗？没有，几乎没有。
I'm in central Canada. F-150's everywhere. Charging stations? No. There are almost none.
我在加拿大中部，f - 150无处不在。有充电站吗？没有，几乎没有。
sketchahedron
Charging stations can and will be built. The momentum behind EVs demands it.
充电站可以有而且将会建立。电动汽车背后的动力需要它。
Charging stations can and will be built. The momentum behind EVs demands it.
充电站可以有而且将会建立。电动汽车背后的动力需要它。
Remote_Engine
If only you could refuel at your own house or something.
要是你能在自己家里补充燃料就好了。
If only you could refuel at your own house or something.
要是你能在自己家里补充燃料就好了。
roadrunnersk
This article is an ad, and god damn a lot of people are shilling for ford in this thread.
This truck is mediocre at best, and basically worthless as a work truck.
It wouldn't work for my use case at all, not would it work for anyone I know that (actually) uses a truck.
They aren't trying to solve the truck problem, they are trying to cater to the grocery shopper. This truck is just a luxury WalMart shopping cart.
这篇文章只是个广告，而且该死的，在这个帖子里有很多人都在为福特汽车做销售。
这辆皮卡其实是很普通的，作为工作皮卡基本上毫无价值。
这辆皮卡对我的工作来说没有什么用处，对我认识的(实际上)驾驶皮卡的人来说也没有什么用处。
他们并不是想解决皮卡问题，他们是想迎合杂货店购物者的需求。这辆皮卡只是沃尔玛的豪华购物车。
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This article is an ad, and god damn a lot of people are shilling for ford in this thread.
This truck is mediocre at best, and basically worthless as a work truck.
It wouldn't work for my use case at all, not would it work for anyone I know that (actually) uses a truck.
They aren't trying to solve the truck problem, they are trying to cater to the grocery shopper. This truck is just a luxury WalMart shopping cart.
这篇文章只是个广告，而且该死的，在这个帖子里有很多人都在为福特汽车做销售。
这辆皮卡其实是很普通的，作为工作皮卡基本上毫无价值。
这辆皮卡对我的工作来说没有什么用处，对我认识的(实际上)驾驶皮卡的人来说也没有什么用处。
他们并不是想解决皮卡问题，他们是想迎合杂货店购物者的需求。这辆皮卡只是沃尔玛的豪华购物车。
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BoredomARISEN
This truck is just a luxury WalMart shopping cart
50%+ of F150's are the same thing, most actual work trucks are F250/350's. Yes this article is stupid but you need to face the fact that idiots in north America
这辆皮卡只是沃尔玛的豪华购物车
50%以上的F150也是一样的，大多数能够实际工作的皮卡是F250/350。是的，这篇文章很愚蠢，但你需要面对这样的事实
This truck is just a luxury WalMart shopping cart
50%+ of F150's are the same thing, most actual work trucks are F250/350's. Yes this article is stupid but you need to face the fact that idiots in north America
这辆皮卡只是沃尔玛的豪华购物车
50%以上的F150也是一样的，大多数能够实际工作的皮卡是F250/350。是的，这篇文章很愚蠢，但你需要面对这样的事实
FantasticMasturbator
I haven't looked at the article. But in regards to the Lightning it always came across to me as a publicity stunt or something similar. Not really practical or industry changing. Just a sort of show off move.
Would it be cool to have one? Yes, I think so.
Is it a viable work truck? No.
But for collectors and such I think it would be a really cool piece.
我还没看那篇文章。但关于闪电皮卡，我总是觉得这是一个宣传噱头或类似的东西。不太实际或适应行业变化。只是一种炫耀的举动。
有一辆这样的车会很酷吗？是的，我想是的。
它是一辆可行的工作皮卡吗？不。
但对于收藏家来说，我认为这是一件很酷的作品。
I haven't looked at the article. But in regards to the Lightning it always came across to me as a publicity stunt or something similar. Not really practical or industry changing. Just a sort of show off move.
Would it be cool to have one? Yes, I think so.
Is it a viable work truck? No.
But for collectors and such I think it would be a really cool piece.
我还没看那篇文章。但关于闪电皮卡，我总是觉得这是一个宣传噱头或类似的东西。不太实际或适应行业变化。只是一种炫耀的举动。
有一辆这样的车会很酷吗？是的，我想是的。
它是一辆可行的工作皮卡吗？不。
但对于收藏家来说，我认为这是一件很酷的作品。
CGB_Spender
Is anyone else not thrilled with the look of the Tesla?
I like the look of the Ford more.
还有人不喜欢特斯拉的外观吗？
我更喜欢福特的外观。
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Is anyone else not thrilled with the look of the Tesla?
I like the look of the Ford more.
还有人不喜欢特斯拉的外观吗？
我更喜欢福特的外观。
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Ahab_Ali
I like the look of the Ford more.
Sure, but the Ford just looks like the most popular truck sold in the US, except it is battery powered. They weren't trying to set a trend.
我更喜欢福特的外观。
当然，福特看起来就是美国最受欢迎的皮卡，只不过它是由电池供电驱动的。他们并不是想要引领潮流。
I like the look of the Ford more.
Sure, but the Ford just looks like the most popular truck sold in the US, except it is battery powered. They weren't trying to set a trend.
我更喜欢福特的外观。
当然，福特看起来就是美国最受欢迎的皮卡，只不过它是由电池供电驱动的。他们并不是想要引领潮流。
CGB_Spender
So...? I don't care to buy a trend. I'm looking for a reliable truck that doesn't look like a 12 year old's fantasy vehicle.
所以……？我不喜欢买流行款式的车，我要找的是一辆可靠的皮卡而不像12岁小孩心中的幻想车。
So...? I don't care to buy a trend. I'm looking for a reliable truck that doesn't look like a 12 year old's fantasy vehicle.
所以……？我不喜欢买流行款式的车，我要找的是一辆可靠的皮卡而不像12岁小孩心中的幻想车。
ejMileman
Amazing to read the delusional comments here. Who forced the auto industry to go Ev? Was it Henry’s grandson, no it was Elon musk. Why did Ford and gm stop Building cars? Tesla model 3. Check the sales stats on it. Why is ford coming up with an electric f series- to respond to cyber truck. That’s good. But don’t kid yourself that it would not even exist without the real gamechanger - Tesla.
看到这些妄想症的评论真让人吃惊。是谁迫使汽车行业走向电动汽车？是亨利的孙子吗，不，是埃隆·马斯克。为什么福特和通用停止生产汽车？特斯拉Model 3。看看它的销售数据。为什么福特要推出电动f系列——以应对赛博皮卡。这很好。但不要欺骗自己，如果没有真正的游戏改变者——特斯拉，它甚至不会存在。
Amazing to read the delusional comments here. Who forced the auto industry to go Ev? Was it Henry’s grandson, no it was Elon musk. Why did Ford and gm stop Building cars? Tesla model 3. Check the sales stats on it. Why is ford coming up with an electric f series- to respond to cyber truck. That’s good. But don’t kid yourself that it would not even exist without the real gamechanger - Tesla.
看到这些妄想症的评论真让人吃惊。是谁迫使汽车行业走向电动汽车？是亨利的孙子吗，不，是埃隆·马斯克。为什么福特和通用停止生产汽车？特斯拉Model 3。看看它的销售数据。为什么福特要推出电动f系列——以应对赛博皮卡。这很好。但不要欺骗自己，如果没有真正的游戏改变者——特斯拉，它甚至不会存在。
the_real_dmac
I prefer the Ford design but Ford has to prove out their battery supply chain/ manufacturing and the management software. Tesla has been perfecting theirs for 10 years while Ford slept. I wouldn’t touch an E150 until a lot of owners have put 100k Miles on them.
我更喜欢福特的设计，但福特必须证明他们的电池供应链/制造和管理软件。10年来，特斯拉一直在完善他们的汽车，而福特却在睡觉。我是不会碰E150的，除非有很多车主买了并开了 10万英里。
I prefer the Ford design but Ford has to prove out their battery supply chain/ manufacturing and the management software. Tesla has been perfecting theirs for 10 years while Ford slept. I wouldn’t touch an E150 until a lot of owners have put 100k Miles on them.
我更喜欢福特的设计，但福特必须证明他们的电池供应链/制造和管理软件。10年来，特斯拉一直在完善他们的汽车，而福特却在睡觉。我是不会碰E150的，除非有很多车主买了并开了 10万英里。
Tech_AllBodies
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, since Ford still have to actually manufacture the truck, and this will be the real test.
Ford sells ~1 million Trucks per year, but has targeted a very limp ~50k a year of its Mustang Mach-e.
And the truck is a larger challenge, because it requires a far larger battery pack, and Ford just don't have the great contracts Tesla does, because they're (so far) dragging their feet.
From the figures Ford has given, it's estimated their battery packs are ~100-120 kWh for the 230 mile range version, and ~140-170 kWh for the 300 mile range version.
This means they need at least ~120 GWh of batteries per year, just to fully switch their trucks to EV, that includes no vans and no cars.
Additionally, Ford may have made a critical mistake in the timing of their announcement and how competitive the truck is.
But how much demand for ICE trucks will they lose now that people know this is coming? (i.e. people delaying/stopping their purchase of an ICE to wait for an EV)
And, important to note, that Ford makes most of its profit from the truck division, so is the division that hurts them the most to lose sales from. And Ford has a mountain of debt, with very low margins on most of their cars.
So, Ford has designed a great truck, but due to them dragging their feet on EV production, their debt, and the Osborne Effect, they have a very real chance of going bankrupt before they can make enough of them to "change the EV industry".
我们先别急着下结论，因为福特还需要生产这辆皮卡，而这将是真正的考验。
福特每年的皮卡销量约为100万辆，但其野马福特野马马赫(Mustang Mach-e)的销量目标却很低，仅为每年5万辆。
这辆皮卡的挑战更大，因为它需要更大的电池组，而福特没有特斯拉那样的电池技术，因为他们(到目前为止)一直在电池方面拖拖拉拉。
根据福特提供的数据，估计他们的电池组在230英里范围内需要约为100-120千瓦时，在300英里范围内需要约为140-170千瓦时。
这意味着他们每年至少需要120千瓦时的电池，仅仅是为了完全将他们的燃油皮卡换成电动汽车，这还不包括货车和轿车。
此外，福特可能在宣布这一消息的时机和这款皮卡的竞争力上犯了一个严重的错误。
但现在人们知道这将到来，他们对ICE皮卡的需求会减少多少呢？(即市民推迟或停止购买ICE汽车以等候购买电动汽车)
值得注意的是，福特的大部分利润都来自皮卡部门，因此也正是这个部门给他们带来的销售损失最大。而且福特负债累累，大部分汽车的利润率都很低。
所以，福特已经设计出了一款很棒的皮卡，但由于他们在电动汽车生产上的拖延，他们的债务，以及奥斯本效应，他们很有可能在生产足够多的电动汽车来“改变电动汽车行业”之前宣布破产。
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, since Ford still have to actually manufacture the truck, and this will be the real test.
Ford sells ~1 million Trucks per year, but has targeted a very limp ~50k a year of its Mustang Mach-e.
And the truck is a larger challenge, because it requires a far larger battery pack, and Ford just don't have the great contracts Tesla does, because they're (so far) dragging their feet.
From the figures Ford has given, it's estimated their battery packs are ~100-120 kWh for the 230 mile range version, and ~140-170 kWh for the 300 mile range version.
This means they need at least ~120 GWh of batteries per year, just to fully switch their trucks to EV, that includes no vans and no cars.
Additionally, Ford may have made a critical mistake in the timing of their announcement and how competitive the truck is.
But how much demand for ICE trucks will they lose now that people know this is coming? (i.e. people delaying/stopping their purchase of an ICE to wait for an EV)
And, important to note, that Ford makes most of its profit from the truck division, so is the division that hurts them the most to lose sales from. And Ford has a mountain of debt, with very low margins on most of their cars.
So, Ford has designed a great truck, but due to them dragging their feet on EV production, their debt, and the Osborne Effect, they have a very real chance of going bankrupt before they can make enough of them to "change the EV industry".
我们先别急着下结论，因为福特还需要生产这辆皮卡，而这将是真正的考验。
福特每年的皮卡销量约为100万辆，但其野马福特野马马赫(Mustang Mach-e)的销量目标却很低，仅为每年5万辆。
这辆皮卡的挑战更大，因为它需要更大的电池组，而福特没有特斯拉那样的电池技术，因为他们(到目前为止)一直在电池方面拖拖拉拉。
根据福特提供的数据，估计他们的电池组在230英里范围内需要约为100-120千瓦时，在300英里范围内需要约为140-170千瓦时。
这意味着他们每年至少需要120千瓦时的电池，仅仅是为了完全将他们的燃油皮卡换成电动汽车，这还不包括货车和轿车。
此外，福特可能在宣布这一消息的时机和这款皮卡的竞争力上犯了一个严重的错误。
但现在人们知道这将到来，他们对ICE皮卡的需求会减少多少呢？(即市民推迟或停止购买ICE汽车以等候购买电动汽车)
值得注意的是，福特的大部分利润都来自皮卡部门，因此也正是这个部门给他们带来的销售损失最大。而且福特负债累累，大部分汽车的利润率都很低。
所以，福特已经设计出了一款很棒的皮卡，但由于他们在电动汽车生产上的拖延，他们的债务，以及奥斯本效应，他们很有可能在生产足够多的电动汽车来“改变电动汽车行业”之前宣布破产。
IAMASamsquanch
Think of all the improvements Ford made to the internal combustion engine during the past century. Now consider what things might be like when you give EVs the same time to evolve.
想想福特在过去一个世纪里对内燃机所做的所有改进吧。现在考虑一下，如果给电动汽车同样的时间来改进，情况会是怎样的。
Think of all the improvements Ford made to the internal combustion engine during the past century. Now consider what things might be like when you give EVs the same time to evolve.
想想福特在过去一个世纪里对内燃机所做的所有改进吧。现在考虑一下，如果给电动汽车同样的时间来改进，情况会是怎样的。
Mikeyseventyfive
Wow if it’s now a legacy auto maker leading Tesla, the range and charging infrastructure must exceed everything Tesla has done to this point. Well done Ford on seemingly doing this overnight. Amazing
哇，如果它现在是一家领先特斯拉的传统汽车制造商，那么它的续航里程和充电基础设施一定会超过特斯拉迄今所做的一切。干得好，福特似乎一夜之间就做到了。令人惊异的
Wow if it’s now a legacy auto maker leading Tesla, the range and charging infrastructure must exceed everything Tesla has done to this point. Well done Ford on seemingly doing this overnight. Amazing
哇，如果它现在是一家领先特斯拉的传统汽车制造商，那么它的续航里程和充电基础设施一定会超过特斯拉迄今所做的一切。干得好，福特似乎一夜之间就做到了。令人惊异的
chukomoo
Maybe some background info to help everyone. I am a combustion engineer at an automotive OEM.
The new emissions regulations come in 2025, and any BEVs sold now help to build up credits that OEMs can help to meet the targets in 2025 onwards. Ford needs these to sell in order to do so.
All you see recently, all this flurry to launch xEVs by all OEMs is for this reason. This isn't us being green and environmentally friendly all of a sudden. It's just simple business pushed by regulations. We would all keep doing V8s otherwise.
也许一些背景知识能帮助大家。我是一家汽车OEM的燃烧工程师。
新的排放规定将于2025年出台，现在销售的任何纯电动汽车都有助于增加信用，oem可以帮助实现2025年以后的目标。为此，福特需要销售这些产品。
你最近所看到的，所有oem纷纷推出电动汽车就是出于这个原因。这并不是说我们突然间变得环保了。这只是监管推动下的简单生意。否则我们都会继续做v8。
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Maybe some background info to help everyone. I am a combustion engineer at an automotive OEM.
The new emissions regulations come in 2025, and any BEVs sold now help to build up credits that OEMs can help to meet the targets in 2025 onwards. Ford needs these to sell in order to do so.
All you see recently, all this flurry to launch xEVs by all OEMs is for this reason. This isn't us being green and environmentally friendly all of a sudden. It's just simple business pushed by regulations. We would all keep doing V8s otherwise.
也许一些背景知识能帮助大家。我是一家汽车OEM的燃烧工程师。
新的排放规定将于2025年出台，现在销售的任何纯电动汽车都有助于增加信用，oem可以帮助实现2025年以后的目标。为此，福特需要销售这些产品。
你最近所看到的，所有oem纷纷推出电动汽车就是出于这个原因。这并不是说我们突然间变得环保了。这只是监管推动下的简单生意。否则我们都会继续做v8。
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Stevesalias
They're both making great, but different electric trucks to "change the EV industry". Both are important. Ford is for traditionalists. Tesla is for tech-heads. Ford will be well received by the masses. Tesla will inject new & better features, engineering, & style, thus inspiring other manufacturers to overhaul old methods that have worked for so long, but weren't the most efficient or logical ways at least speaking long-term. I'm excited to see both on the roads.
两家公司都在生产出色但不同的电动皮卡，以“改变电动汽车行业”。两者都是重要的。福特是传统主义者的代表。特斯拉是为技术迷准备的。福特将会受到大众的欢迎。特斯拉将注入新的和更好的功能，工程和风格，从而激励其他制造商彻底改变旧的方法，这些方法已经运行了很长时间，但不是最有效或最合理的方法，至少从长期来看是这样。我很高兴看到这两款车都上路了。
They're both making great, but different electric trucks to "change the EV industry". Both are important. Ford is for traditionalists. Tesla is for tech-heads. Ford will be well received by the masses. Tesla will inject new & better features, engineering, & style, thus inspiring other manufacturers to overhaul old methods that have worked for so long, but weren't the most efficient or logical ways at least speaking long-term. I'm excited to see both on the roads.
两家公司都在生产出色但不同的电动皮卡，以“改变电动汽车行业”。两者都是重要的。福特是传统主义者的代表。特斯拉是为技术迷准备的。福特将会受到大众的欢迎。特斯拉将注入新的和更好的功能，工程和风格，从而激励其他制造商彻底改变旧的方法，这些方法已经运行了很长时间，但不是最有效或最合理的方法，至少从长期来看是这样。我很高兴看到这两款车都上路了。
grberk
Nobody talks about the range, though. The long range battery is supposed to get 300 miles on a charge, but that’s without pulling or hauling any load. I couldn’t ever seriously consider an EV, especially a truck, that’s going to cost more per mile than a regular gas engine. I have an electric lawn mower, but I could never consider using it for a busy lawn service. Who is going to buy an EV truck and use it for it’s intended purpose?
不过，没有人谈论这个里程范围。远程电池充一次电可以跑300英里，但那是在不拖拽任何负载的情况下。我从来没有认真考虑过一辆电动汽车，尤其是一辆皮卡，它每英里的成本要比普通的汽油发动机高。我有一台电动割草机，但我从来没有考虑过在繁忙的草坪服务中使用它。谁会购买一辆电动皮卡，并将其用于实际的用途呢？
Nobody talks about the range, though. The long range battery is supposed to get 300 miles on a charge, but that’s without pulling or hauling any load. I couldn’t ever seriously consider an EV, especially a truck, that’s going to cost more per mile than a regular gas engine. I have an electric lawn mower, but I could never consider using it for a busy lawn service. Who is going to buy an EV truck and use it for it’s intended purpose?
不过，没有人谈论这个里程范围。远程电池充一次电可以跑300英里，但那是在不拖拽任何负载的情况下。我从来没有认真考虑过一辆电动汽车，尤其是一辆皮卡，它每英里的成本要比普通的汽油发动机高。我有一台电动割草机，但我从来没有考虑过在繁忙的草坪服务中使用它。谁会购买一辆电动皮卡，并将其用于实际的用途呢？
bitfriend6
Brandwhoring doesn't achieve anything. These trucks have a <100 mile range when under load, which is expected and will probably hurt their actual use.
The real change in the EV industry is something like the Tesla truck which Ford has no alternative to because Ford killed the L-series. The success (or not) of these vehicles over the next two decades will ultimately determine where the industry heads, moreso than any consumer vehicle.
品牌营销没有任何成就。这些皮卡在负载下的行驶距离小于100英里，这是意料之中的，这可能会损害它们的实际使用。
电动汽车行业真正的变化是类似于特斯拉皮卡的东西，福特别无选择，因为福特淘汰了L系列。这些汽车在未来20年的成功(或失败)将最终决定这个行业的发展方向，而不是任何消费的汽车。
Brandwhoring doesn't achieve anything. These trucks have a <100 mile range when under load, which is expected and will probably hurt their actual use.
The real change in the EV industry is something like the Tesla truck which Ford has no alternative to because Ford killed the L-series. The success (or not) of these vehicles over the next two decades will ultimately determine where the industry heads, moreso than any consumer vehicle.
品牌营销没有任何成就。这些皮卡在负载下的行驶距离小于100英里，这是意料之中的，这可能会损害它们的实际使用。
电动汽车行业真正的变化是类似于特斯拉皮卡的东西，福特别无选择，因为福特淘汰了L系列。这些汽车在未来20年的成功(或失败)将最终决定这个行业的发展方向，而不是任何消费的汽车。
ancientweasel
"300-mile version begins at $90,000."
The price and charge time is going to have to at least halve, and the range is going to need to double before I even think about it.
“300英里的版本起价9万美元。”
价格和充电时间至少要减半，在我考虑买这辆车之前，里程范围需要翻倍。
"300-mile version begins at $90,000."
The price and charge time is going to have to at least halve, and the range is going to need to double before I even think about it.
“300英里的版本起价9万美元。”
价格和充电时间至少要减半，在我考虑买这辆车之前，里程范围需要翻倍。
OhioLakes
An 1800-pound battery to move a 180-pound person to buy 18 pounds of groceries seems terribly inefficient and not at all a solution to our climate and congestion problems
一个1800磅的电池，搭载着一个180磅的人去买18磅的食品，这似乎非常低效，根本不是解决我们的气候和拥堵问题的办法
An 1800-pound battery to move a 180-pound person to buy 18 pounds of groceries seems terribly inefficient and not at all a solution to our climate and congestion problems
一个1800磅的电池，搭载着一个180磅的人去买18磅的食品，这似乎非常低效，根本不是解决我们的气候和拥堵问题的办法
protosser
You mean that stupid looking piece of shit tesla made didn't change the industry?
你是说那辆看起来很蠢的特斯拉没有改变整个行业吗？
You mean that stupid looking piece of shit tesla made didn't change the industry?
你是说那辆看起来很蠢的特斯拉没有改变整个行业吗？
topcheesehead
Let's not forget who purposefully tanked the electric car industry in 2006 before it started by bribing officials.
They don't deserve to make electric cars since when they are morally against it unless it benefits them. They even fudged science to make electric cars seem like a waste. Ford does not deserve anything
让我们不要忘记，是谁在2006年故意打击电动汽车行业，然后开始贿赂官员。
他们不应该制造电动汽车，因为他们在道德上是反对电动汽车的，除非电动汽车对他们有利。他们甚至捏造科学，让电动汽车看起来像是一种浪费。福特不配得到任何东西
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Let's not forget who purposefully tanked the electric car industry in 2006 before it started by bribing officials.
They don't deserve to make electric cars since when they are morally against it unless it benefits them. They even fudged science to make electric cars seem like a waste. Ford does not deserve anything
让我们不要忘记，是谁在2006年故意打击电动汽车行业，然后开始贿赂官员。
他们不应该制造电动汽车，因为他们在道德上是反对电动汽车的，除非电动汽车对他们有利。他们甚至捏造科学，让电动汽车看起来像是一种浪费。福特不配得到任何东西
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anthonyd5189
Doesn’t matter what they make, if they don’t have the infrastructure to charge the thing it’s useless.
不管他们生产什么，如果他们没有充电的基础设施，那就是没用的。
Doesn’t matter what they make, if they don’t have the infrastructure to charge the thing it’s useless.
不管他们生产什么，如果他们没有充电的基础设施，那就是没用的。
hublaka
They, like GM, are going to rely on the mass 3rd party charging stations. Biden wants to commonize charging adapters for the future which, if it goes through, will force Tesla to change their chargers. The EU has already told Tesla that they need to be able to use a universal charging port.
他们和通用汽车一样，将依靠大量的第三方充电站。拜登希望为未来普及充电适配器，如果成功，将迫使特斯拉更换他们的充电器。欧盟已经告诉特斯拉，他们需要能够使用通用充电端口。
They, like GM, are going to rely on the mass 3rd party charging stations. Biden wants to commonize charging adapters for the future which, if it goes through, will force Tesla to change their chargers. The EU has already told Tesla that they need to be able to use a universal charging port.
他们和通用汽车一样，将依靠大量的第三方充电站。拜登希望为未来普及充电适配器，如果成功，将迫使特斯拉更换他们的充电器。欧盟已经告诉特斯拉，他们需要能够使用通用充电端口。
dedokta
Do you know what would really change the electric car market? A regular priced electric car. Just make an average car. No fancy shit, just a regular car. Electric motors are very simple, there's no reason they need to be more expensive than a complicated fuel burning engine. Watch people snap them up!
你知道什么会真正改变电动汽车市场？普通价格的电动汽车。就做一辆普通的车。不是什么豪华的汽车，就一辆普通的车。电动机非常简单，他们没有理由需要比一个复杂的燃料燃烧的引擎更昂贵，看着人们抢购它们吧!
Do you know what would really change the electric car market? A regular priced electric car. Just make an average car. No fancy shit, just a regular car. Electric motors are very simple, there's no reason they need to be more expensive than a complicated fuel burning engine. Watch people snap them up!
你知道什么会真正改变电动汽车市场？普通价格的电动汽车。就做一辆普通的车。不是什么豪华的汽车，就一辆普通的车。电动机非常简单，他们没有理由需要比一个复杂的燃料燃烧的引擎更昂贵，看着人们抢购它们吧!
OptimisticViolence
Well from what I’ve read the cyber truck will be almost half the price of the f150 but with more range... sooo as far as work vehicles go, I could add 10 Teslas to my fleet or 5 F150’s
So according to this article the base model of the F-150 will start at $40,000 which is supposed to be on par with the base model Cyber truck. Both companies are planning on selling higher end models going up to $80,000+ for fully loaded options. Neither will likely be available until late 2022 so I guess we have a long time to wait for more details.
据我所知，赛博皮卡的价格几乎是f150的一半，但续航里程更广…..就工作用车而言，我可以给我的车队增加10辆特斯拉或者5辆F150
所以根据这篇文章，F-150的基本型号起价为4万美元，应该与赛博皮卡的基本型号相当。两家公司都计划销售更高端的车型，全装机型的售价高达8万美元以上。这两种车型都要到2022年底才能实现，所以我想我们还有很长的时间来等待更多的细节。
Well from what I’ve read the cyber truck will be almost half the price of the f150 but with more range... sooo as far as work vehicles go, I could add 10 Teslas to my fleet or 5 F150’s
So according to this article the base model of the F-150 will start at $40,000 which is supposed to be on par with the base model Cyber truck. Both companies are planning on selling higher end models going up to $80,000+ for fully loaded options. Neither will likely be available until late 2022 so I guess we have a long time to wait for more details.
据我所知，赛博皮卡的价格几乎是f150的一半，但续航里程更广…..就工作用车而言，我可以给我的车队增加10辆特斯拉或者5辆F150
所以根据这篇文章，F-150的基本型号起价为4万美元，应该与赛博皮卡的基本型号相当。两家公司都计划销售更高端的车型，全装机型的售价高达8万美元以上。这两种车型都要到2022年底才能实现，所以我想我们还有很长的时间来等待更多的细节。
EhMapleMoose
So Ford is making an EV truck to compete with Tesla? Yea, I don’t think it’s because of Ford that the industry is changing.
所以福特要制造一辆电动皮卡来和特斯拉竞争？是的，我不认为这是因为福特，整个行业正在发生变化。
So Ford is making an EV truck to compete with Tesla? Yea, I don’t think it’s because of Ford that the industry is changing.
所以福特要制造一辆电动皮卡来和特斯拉竞争？是的，我不认为这是因为福特，整个行业正在发生变化。
davilller
Yeah, not so sure about this headline. Ford is just advertising loudly for minor achievements that are still 8-10 years behind Tesla.
是啊，我不太确定这个标题。福特只是在为仍然落后特斯拉8-10年的小成就大肆宣传。
Yeah, not so sure about this headline. Ford is just advertising loudly for minor achievements that are still 8-10 years behind Tesla.
是啊，我不太确定这个标题。福特只是在为仍然落后特斯拉8-10年的小成就大肆宣传。
party_benson
Had Tesla not made their truck, Ford would not have made theirs electric.
如果特斯拉没有制造他们的皮卡，福特也不会制造他们的电动皮卡。
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Had Tesla not made their truck, Ford would not have made theirs electric.
如果特斯拉没有制造他们的皮卡，福特也不会制造他们的电动皮卡。
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eayaz
My wife and I desperately want new a new vehicle but are not willing to spend $100k and will not buy another ICE powered vehicle.
This ticks a lot of boxes for us.
Size, Looks, Range, Not $100k
我妻子和我非常想买一辆新车，但不愿意花10万美元，也不会再买一辆ICE动力汽车。
这对我们有很多好处。
尺寸，外观，里程，也不需要10万美元
My wife and I desperately want new a new vehicle but are not willing to spend $100k and will not buy another ICE powered vehicle.
This ticks a lot of boxes for us.
Size, Looks, Range, Not $100k
我妻子和我非常想买一辆新车，但不愿意花10万美元，也不会再买一辆ICE动力汽车。
这对我们有很多好处。
尺寸，外观，里程，也不需要10万美元
I_Fux_Hard
"while the 300-mile version begins at $90,000"
Lol. Ford sucks compared to Tesla.
"In only a few days, 45,000 people reserved the F-150 Lightning."
Cybertruck is going to crush Ford's performance/price and truck buyers care more about performance/price than they care about the Ford brand.
"而300英里的版本起价9万美元"
哈哈福特比特斯拉烂。
“短短几天内，就有45000人预订了F-150闪电皮卡汽车。”
赛博皮卡将压垮福特的性能/价格，而皮卡买家更关心性能/价格，而不是福特品牌。
"while the 300-mile version begins at $90,000"
Lol. Ford sucks compared to Tesla.
"In only a few days, 45,000 people reserved the F-150 Lightning."
Cybertruck is going to crush Ford's performance/price and truck buyers care more about performance/price than they care about the Ford brand.
"而300英里的版本起价9万美元"
哈哈福特比特斯拉烂。
“短短几天内，就有45000人预订了F-150闪电皮卡汽车。”
赛博皮卡将压垮福特的性能/价格，而皮卡买家更关心性能/价格，而不是福特品牌。
kartoonist435
If it wasn’t for Tesla, Ford would have NEVER EVER EVER made an electric f150. The big manufactures would never move to electric without the pressure Tesla has created.
如果不是特斯拉，福特永远也造不出电动f150。如果没有特斯拉带来的压力，大型制造商永远不会转向电动汽车。
If it wasn’t for Tesla, Ford would have NEVER EVER EVER made an electric f150. The big manufactures would never move to electric without the pressure Tesla has created.
如果不是特斯拉，福特永远也造不出电动f150。如果没有特斯拉带来的压力，大型制造商永远不会转向电动汽车。
FoxMulderOrwell
honestly, get a mid size SUV that can drive 500-600 miles in any geographic area on a single charge and electric will take over almost overnight.
until then people will stick with gas.
if you can't complete a normal long distance day's joureny on one charge(about 8 hours of driving/500ish miles) than people won't want it.
Imagine going on a road trip 5 hours at a time and having to stop for an hour+ to charge everytime.
老实说，买一辆充一次电就能在任何地理区域行驶500-600英里的中型SUV，电动车几乎可以在一夜之间接管一切。
在那之前，人们会坚持使用汽油。
如果你充一次电不能完成正常的长途旅行(大约8小时的车程/500英里左右)，那么人们就不会想要它。
想象一下，你在一段5小时的公路旅行中，每次都要停下来充电一个小时以上。
honestly, get a mid size SUV that can drive 500-600 miles in any geographic area on a single charge and electric will take over almost overnight.
until then people will stick with gas.
if you can't complete a normal long distance day's joureny on one charge(about 8 hours of driving/500ish miles) than people won't want it.
Imagine going on a road trip 5 hours at a time and having to stop for an hour+ to charge everytime.
老实说，买一辆充一次电就能在任何地理区域行驶500-600英里的中型SUV，电动车几乎可以在一夜之间接管一切。
在那之前，人们会坚持使用汽油。
如果你充一次电不能完成正常的长途旅行(大约8小时的车程/500英里左右)，那么人们就不会想要它。
想象一下，你在一段5小时的公路旅行中，每次都要停下来充电一个小时以上。
Turbulent-Strategy83
Why? The Cybertruck is more capbable than the F-150.
Towing a huge trailer on a truck with a 300 mile battery (F-150) - Probably only going to get 150 miles or less. You're starting at 500 with the Cybertruck.
The Tesla also charges faster, has a more comprehensive charging network, has better ground clearance, the entire body is stainless steel...
Literally the only thing the F-150 has going for it is the brand recognition of being an F-150 and that it looks like an F-150.
为什么?赛博皮卡比F-150更有能力。
用装有里程300英里电池(F-150)的皮卡拖着一个巨大的拖车——可能只能跑150英里或更少。如果是赛博皮卡，里程至少需要500英里。
特斯拉充电也更快，有更全面的充电赛博皮卡，有更好的离地间隙，整个车身是不锈钢的……
从字面上看，F-150唯一的优势就是它作为F-150的品牌认可度。
Why? The Cybertruck is more capbable than the F-150.
Towing a huge trailer on a truck with a 300 mile battery (F-150) - Probably only going to get 150 miles or less. You're starting at 500 with the Cybertruck.
The Tesla also charges faster, has a more comprehensive charging network, has better ground clearance, the entire body is stainless steel...
Literally the only thing the F-150 has going for it is the brand recognition of being an F-150 and that it looks like an F-150.
为什么?赛博皮卡比F-150更有能力。
用装有里程300英里电池(F-150)的皮卡拖着一个巨大的拖车——可能只能跑150英里或更少。如果是赛博皮卡，里程至少需要500英里。
特斯拉充电也更快，有更全面的充电赛博皮卡，有更好的离地间隙，整个车身是不锈钢的……
从字面上看，F-150唯一的优势就是它作为F-150的品牌认可度。
pandadazemaze
Happy to see more companies getting into the game. But, Tesla is and always will be the company that drove an industry to get into EV.
很高兴看到更多的公司加入这场竞赛。但是，特斯拉一直是推动行业进入电动汽车领域的公司。
Happy to see more companies getting into the game. But, Tesla is and always will be the company that drove an industry to get into EV.
很高兴看到更多的公司加入这场竞赛。但是，特斯拉一直是推动行业进入电动汽车领域的公司。
Skastrik
In all likelihood Tesla is going to be in a bad position when the older more experienced carmaker companies catch up technology wise. Tesla lacks in areas the others perfected decades ago.
It's going to be interesting to see if Tesla can innovate fast enough to stay ahead.
当更老、更有经验的汽车制造商在技术上迎头赶上时，特斯拉很可能会处于不利地位。特斯拉所缺乏的是其他公司几十年前就已完善的一些领域。
看看特斯拉能否以足够快的速度创新，保持领先地位，这将是一件有趣的事情。
In all likelihood Tesla is going to be in a bad position when the older more experienced carmaker companies catch up technology wise. Tesla lacks in areas the others perfected decades ago.
It's going to be interesting to see if Tesla can innovate fast enough to stay ahead.
当更老、更有经验的汽车制造商在技术上迎头赶上时，特斯拉很可能会处于不利地位。特斯拉所缺乏的是其他公司几十年前就已完善的一些领域。
看看特斯拉能否以足够快的速度创新，保持领先地位，这将是一件有趣的事情。
SendMeGiftCardCodes
i think tesla makes some awesome cars, but the auto pilot thing is a scam. for years, elon musk has been saying "driving to anywhere automatically will be released later this year" but has never delivered. people have been selling their Teslas with the auto pilot feature and never even got to use it. it's a scam.
我认为特斯拉制造了一些很棒的汽车，但自动驾驶是一个骗局。多年来，埃隆·马斯克一直在说“自动驾驶将于今年晚些时候发布”，但从未实现过。人们一直在卖带自动驾驶功能的特斯拉，却从未使用过它。这是一个骗局。
i think tesla makes some awesome cars, but the auto pilot thing is a scam. for years, elon musk has been saying "driving to anywhere automatically will be released later this year" but has never delivered. people have been selling their Teslas with the auto pilot feature and never even got to use it. it's a scam.
我认为特斯拉制造了一些很棒的汽车，但自动驾驶是一个骗局。多年来，埃隆·马斯克一直在说“自动驾驶将于今年晚些时候发布”，但从未实现过。人们一直在卖带自动驾驶功能的特斯拉，却从未使用过它。这是一个骗局。
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