调查显示,约20%的英国成年人已经删除了国家医疗体系的抗疫APP
2021-07-19 jiangye111 22045
正文翻译
About 20% of UK adults have dexed NHS Covid app, poll suggests
-More younger people have got rid of track and trace app, most likely to avoid having to self-isolate

调查显示,约20%的英国成年人已经删除了国家医疗体系的抗疫APP
——越来越多的年轻人已经卸载了追踪和轨迹APP,这很可能是为了规避自我隔离


(Poll by Savanta ComRes suggests more than a third of 18-34 year olds have got rid of app.)

(Savanta ComRes的民意调查显示,超过三分之一的18-34岁人群已经卸载了APP。)
新闻:

About one in five adults of all ages in the UK had an NHS Covid-19 app but have dexed it from their phone, with a significantly greater proportion of younger people having done so, a poll suggests.

一项民意调查显示,在英国所有年龄段的成年人中,约有五分之一的人曾使用过英国国家医疗服务体系的抗疫APP,但已经从手机上删除了它,而更年轻的人这么做的比例要高得多。

The findings come after opposition politicians expressed concern last week that many people might choose to dexe the app in case an increase in infections lixed to the lifting of many restrictions on 19 July results in their being ordered to self-isolate.

上周,反对派政界人士表示担心,许多人可能会选择删除该APP,以防7月19日解除许多限制造成的感染增加导致他们被勒令自我隔离。

According to a poll by Savanta ComRes, more than a third of people aged between 18 and 34 years in the UK have dexed the app already, with about a third of those who do still have it expressing an intention to dexe it in six days’ time. Among adults of all ages, that proportion was about 20%.

根据Savanta ComRes的一项民意调查,在英国年龄18岁至34岁之间的人中,超过三分之一的人已经删除了这款APP,而仍保留这款APP的人中,约有三分之一的人表示过打算在6天内删除这款APP。在所有年龄段的成年人中,这一比例约为20%。

“We know both that the number of people downloading the NHS Covid-19 app was never as high as desired and that some people who downloaded it have already dexed it,” said Prof Henry Potts, of University College London, who specialises in the use of technology in healthcare.

伦敦大学学院专门研究医疗技术应用的教授亨利·波茨表示:“我们知道,下载国家医疗体系抗疫APP的人数从未像预期的那么多,而且一些下载了该APP的人已经删除了它。”

Potts, who has acted as an adviser to the government, told the Guardian: “Anecdotally, many people turn it off or do not use it as directed. This all reduces the potential efficacy of the app.”

作为政府的顾问,波茨在接受《卫报》采访时表示:“坊间流传的说法是,很多人把它卸载了,或不按指示使用它。这些都降低了这款APP的潜在功效。”

He added that while he did see strong evidence that people were acting on an expectation of increased caseloads after 19 July, “what will happen is that the more the app presents an inconvenience for people and the more they see Covid-19 as less of an issue, then the more likely they will be to stop using the app.”

他补充说,虽然他确实看到了强有力的证据,表明人们是根据7月19日以后病例数量增加的预期而采取卸载行动的,“接下来的情况是,这款APP给人们带来的不便越多,人们就越不把疫情当回事,那么他们就越有可能停止使用这款APP。”

Potts said he would advise ministers to overhaul and put greater resources into the testing, tracing and isolating system, saying other nations that had done so had avoided the long national lockdowns seen in the UK.

波茨表示,他将建议部长们对检测、追踪和隔离系统进行全面检查,并投入更多资源。他说,其他这样做的国家避免了像英国那样的长期国家封锁。

Savanta ComRes interviewed 2,137 UK adults aged 18 years and older online between 9 and 11 July. Data was weighted to be representative of all UK adults by age, sex, region and socioeconomic group.

Savanta ComRes于7月9日至11日在网上采访了2137名18岁及以上的英国成年人。数据按年龄、性别、地区和社会经济群体进行加权,以代表所有英国成年人。

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WTFwhatthehell
The app is a shitshow.
Me and my SO had covid back at xmas.
She tested positive, put the details into the app and her NHS covid app turned red to show her isolation period.
All fine.
I of course caught it from her and we spent 2-3 weeks in bed feeling awful. My phone was on, inches from hers with bluetooth enabled and the NHS app running for most of those 2 weeks.
I never got a single notification that I should isolate. Mine remained green.
it gets worse, 2 days after her official isolation period was over we were still indoors and hadn't gone out yet.
Her covid app pops up with a notification that she'd been near someone who had tested positive and she needed to isolate again. Mine remained green.
We hadn't been out. But apparently she had been near someone who had tested positive and, somehow, I had not while we both lay in bed next to each other with our phones.
I'm conviced that the app was just randomly issuing notifications that people should isolate. I once worked with a computer system where someone had mixed up network ID's in a piece of software and whenever something was sent to print it would go to a random network address. I would not be surprised if that had been happeneing with the NHS covid app.

这个应用就是个垃圾。
我和我的男友在圣诞节的时候得了新冠。
她的检测呈阳性,将详细信息输入应用,她的医疗服务体系抗疫应用变成了红色,显示她的隔离期。
一切正常。
我当然是从她那里被感染的,我们在床上躺了2-3周,感觉很糟糕。我的手机开着,离她的手机只有几英寸,还启用了蓝牙,医疗服务体系的应用在那两周的大部分时间里都在运行。
但我从来没有收到任何通知说我应该被隔离。我的仍然是绿色的。
更糟糕的是,在她正式的隔离期结束2天后,我们仍然呆在家里,还没有出去过。
她的应用会弹出一条通知,说她曾与某检测呈阳性的人在一起,她需要再次隔离。我仍然是绿色的。
我们没有出去。但很明显,她就在某个检测呈阳性的人身边,而当我们都拿着手机挨着躺在床上时,不知怎么的,我却没有被标红。
我确信这款应用只是随机发布通知让人们隔离。我曾经使用过一个计算机系统,有人把网络ID混在一个软件里,无论什么时候发送打印的东西都会进入一个随机的网络地址。如果国家医疗服务体系的抗疫应用也是这种情况,我不会感到惊讶的。
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LuvDumplings
I still have it, couldn't tell you the last time it notified me of anything though, probably months ago, honestly didn't know it was still working. It's only use seems to be to take up storage on my phone.

我仍然保留着它,已经忘了它最后一次通知我是什么时候,可能是几个月前,老实说,我不知道它(是不是)还在工作。它的唯一用途似乎只是占用我手机的存储空间。

RTJ_legendhasit
I got pinged last week for the first time ever and had to isolate for 3 days. I was with 4 other people on the supposed day I was close to someone and none of them have tested positive or been notified. Seems to be really dodgy in how it determines if someone needs to isolate.

上周我第一次被发送通知了,不得不隔离3天。那天我和另外4个人在一起,我和某人很亲密,但他们却没有一个检测呈阳性或被通知。这个应用在决定某人是否需要被隔离方面似乎很微妙。

TEL-CFC_boi
I went to the pub with two friends on Friday the other week (followed all the guidelines, masks until seated, signed in with the app).
So their apps pinged them on Tuesday (after they had been in work for 3 days, mind you) but still mine didn't. All of us repeatedly tested negative.
Things like this make me doubt the app deeply

前几天的周五,我和两个朋友去了酒吧(遵循了所有的指南,戴口罩直到入座,并在应用上签到)。
因此,他们的应用在周二(请注意,在他们工作3天之后)与通知了他们(隔离),但我的应用仍然没有被通知。我们所有人的检测都呈阴性。
这样的事情让我深深地怀疑这个应用

tritoon140
I dexed it after a couple of weeks. Downloaded it then realised I sat in an office on the other side of a stud wall from a company that was clearly not adhering to the guidance in any way. I turned off the tracing immediately and then, as the tracing had been turned off, I thought I might as well dexe it. I’ve given my details to venues manually ever since.

几周后我就把它删除了。下载后,我意识到自己坐在立柱墙一边的一间办公室里,而另一边的那家公司显然在任何方面都不遵守指南。我立即关闭了跟踪,然后,由于跟踪已经被关闭,我想我应该删除它。从那时起,我都手动上传我的详细地点信息了。

G_Morgan
I never installed it after the government tried all ways to structure it in a way that they could harvest data. They might have given up after Google and Apple blocked their little tracking trick but trust is already gone.

在政府尝试了各种方法来构建它以获取数据之后,我从来没有安装它。在谷歌和苹果阻止了他们的追踪小伎俩后,他们可能已经放弃了这种做法,但信任度已经不存在了。

Scumbaggio1845
I personally dexed it when I realised my local council wasn’t actually going to provide any kind of financial assistance and the information provided online.
It didn’t seem like it was beneficial to me or anyone else, I wouldn’t even consider being put in a position again where I’m unable to work due to the app’s instructions but don’t actually have the virus because I don’t get sick pay so it means my income for the period will be zero.
I can’t be the only one.

我个人删除了它,因为我意识到我的地方议会实际上不会提供任何形式的财政援助,并且这些信息会被上传到网上。
它似乎对我或任何人都没有好处,我甚至不会再考虑让我只是因为应用的说明(但我没有感染病毒)就不去工作,因为我没有病假工资,这意味着我这段时间的收入将为零。
我不可能是唯一一个这样的。
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ThatFlyingScotsmanCynicism Party |Class Analysis|Anti-Fascist
The people admitting that they uninstalled it because it kept telling them to isolate are precisely the reason Britain has utterly fucked the Covid response.

人们承认他们卸载它是因为它一直告诉他们要隔离,而这正是英国彻底搞砸抗疫的原因。
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CrunchyOldCrone
I never got it tbf because fuck giving my data to Cummings and pals
Plus it had nothing to do with the NHS, right? Just slapped its name on there for branding

我从来没有得到过,因为我他妈的把我的数据给了卡明斯和他的朋友们
而且跟国家医疗服务体系没关系,对吧?只是把它的名字贴上去做商标

GoshDarnMamaHubbard
I deliberately didn't get it.
I complied with any requirements for contact tracing asked of me and took masks distance hygiene very seriously throughout.
Not a chance in hell am i giving that piece of software access to my personal device. Not with all the shit that was going wrong, its data breaches and a general mistrust of this governments intentions.

我故意没装它。
我遵守了任何追踪接触者的要求,全程都非常重视佩戴口罩和距离卫生。
我绝对不会让那个软件进入我的私人设备。当然不是因为它出了那么多垃圾BUG,而是因为数据泄露和对政府意图的普遍不信任。

angryratman
Is this the app that cost billions and never worked?

说的是那个花了数十亿美元却从来没用的APP吗?

VibraniumSpork
I remember chatting to two hairdresser friends around the time of the app launch, both saying they and several of their customers refused to install the app…in case their check-ins caused them to have to isolate. They were actively against the whole notion of track and trace, and the impediment it might impose on their lives.
I kept stum, but felt like I was living a Monty Python sketch. I know their reasons for rejecting the app were financial, but it did bring home how much of a handicap people faced in the societal contract during COVID; people were (still are tbf) living too hand-to-mouth to be sick, or to let it be known they’re sick, even in a pandemic.

我记得我和两个美发师朋友聊天的时候,他们都说他们和他们的一些客户都拒绝安装这个应用,以防他们的签到导致他们被隔离。他们坚决反对全部的跟踪和轨迹的概念,以及它可能给他们的生活带来的障碍。
我一直保持沉默,但感觉就像生活在巨蟒剧团的小品里。我知道他们拒绝这个应用程序的原因是经济上的,但它确实让人们意识到,在疫情之下的社会契约中,人们面临着多大的障碍:人们过去(现在仍然)过着勉强糊口的生活,以至于不能生病(生不起病),或者让别人知道他们生病了,即使是在大流行期间。
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Hot_Blackberry_6895
Yep. Pretty common. Family friend has been pinged so many times (to no end) that she dexed it. She also has 3 kids that have been in and out of isolation (again to no end) all year. It's beyond farce now.

是的。很常见。我家的一位朋友被通知隔离了很多次(没有下文),结果她把它删除了。她还有3个孩子,这3个孩子一整年都在不停地被隔离。现在这已经远远不只是闹剧了。

Icy-Conference-5092
I've had the opposite experience. Multiple people I know have contacted me to say that they have had covid and so I should self isolate but I've never once been pinged thru the app, which I've had on and working from pretty much day 1. The only person I have ever known to be pinged was a friend of mine and the only person she knew who had covid at that point (and this was last autumn where Covid was pretty rare) was a work colleague of her live in boyfriend - and her boyfriend wasn't pinged!

我有过相反的经历。我认识的很多人都联系过我,说他们感染了新冠,所以我应该自我隔离,但我从来没有被这个应用程序通知过,我几乎从第一天就一直使用这个应用工作。我认识的唯一一个被通知隔离的人是我的一个朋友,并且当时她认识的唯一一个得了冠状病毒的人(这是去年秋天,新冠病毒还很罕见)是她一个和男朋友住在一起的同事,而那个同事的男朋友却没有被通知隔离!

JigsawPig
This is an indication that 20% of people erroneously thought they had to self-isolate if the app told them to.

这表明,20%的人错误地认为,如果应用通知了他们,他们就必须自我隔离。

ConfidentlyWronger
I still use the app all the time.
I don't think I can claim any real moral superiority though. It's easy for me to use it. If it pings I got to leave work and sit at home on full pay, better pay really because it would save me 50 quid of petrol. If I was self employed would I be using it? I doubt it, maybe I'd leave it installed but I'd turn off bluetooth.
This is the whole problem with relying on common sense. People do have good common sense, they assess the low-probability risks to themselves from covid and they assess the certainty of lost income and quality of life and they come to the common sense conclusion of "sod it". If we don't want that to happen, mandatory restrictions are the only way.

我一直都在用这个应用。
但我不认为我有什么真正的道德优越感。它对我来说很容易使用。如果它响了,我就得离开工作岗位,坐在家里拿全薪,我的薪水会更好,因为这样可以节省我50英镑的汽油。但如果我是个体经营者,我会使用它吗?我很怀疑,也许我会让它继续安装,但我会关掉蓝牙。
这就是依赖常识的问题所在。人们确实有良好的常识,他们评估了新冠肺炎给自己带来的低概率风险,他们评估了收入和生活质量损失的确定性,他们得出的常识结论是“(隔离通知什么的)见鬼去吧”。如果我们不希望这种情况发生,强制性限制是唯一的办法。
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RedditIsShitAs
I'm one of them. After seeing my WFH sister get pinged after a trip to the supermarket and nothing else for a week I decided I didn't want that happening to me.

我就是其中之一。看到我在家办公的妹妹在逛完超市后被通知隔离之后,我决定我不希望这种事情发生在我身上(然后就卸载了)。

BambiiDextrous
Same, for financial reasons. 10 days at home for me is a loss of income of £608. I can't afford to lose that amount of money - I only just meet my rent and other commitments each month. You can call me selfish but it's pretty unrealistic to expect people to take that hit for the greater good.

我也一样,出于经济原因。在家呆10天对我来说就损失了608英镑的收入。我不能失去那么多钱——我每个月的工资只能付掉房租和其他的开销。你可以说我自私,但指望人们为了更大的集体利益而承受这样的打击是不现实的。

daleweeksphoto
But you can ignore the app. Have it on for the safety of others if you end up testing positive. If the app pings and you're sure you've not been anywhere but a supermarket with your mask on then make your own decisions at that point.

但你可以无视这款应用。如果你的检测结果呈阳性,为了他人的安全,你可以开启它。如果应用程序发出隔离通知,而你确定你除了带着口罩去过超市以外没有去过其他地方,那你就自己做决定吧。
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Scumbaggio1845
You have a legal duty to isolate if the app tells you to though, so you could potentially be fined but that is probably unlikely in reality.

如果应用要求你隔离,那你就有法律责任,所以你可能会被罚款,但这在现实中不太可能执行。

98smithg
If I pinged by the App then I am morally obliged to isolate. I'd rather not have the app at all to be honest if i'm doing that.

如果我被应用通知了,那么我在道德上有义务自我隔离。老实说,如果我要这么做的话,我宁愿不使用这个应用。

PF_tmp
If you're morally obliged to isolate when pinged by the app, how do your morals square with deleting it? Deleting it is effectively the same as being pinged and then not isolating.

如果你在被应用通知隔离了,觉得道德上有义务进行隔离,那么你的道德与删除它是否相匹配?删除它实际上等同于接到通知后选择不隔离。

RedditIsShitAs
Why would I keep the app if I can't trust it?

如果我不信任这个应用,那我干吗还要留着它?

OfficialTomCruise
What do you mean "trust it"? It's doing it's job. It's notifying people that they have been in reasonably close contact with someone who has later tested positive.
But it's up to you what you do with that information. No one else knows what your phone told you.

你说的“信任它”是什么意思?它在做它的工作。它通知人们,他们曾与后来检测呈阳性的人有过相当密切的接触。但这取决于你如何处理这些信息。反正没有其他人知道你的手机到底告诉了你什么。

SecretVagabond
Or maybe just give people freedom

或者只是给人们自由

ConfidentlyWronger
Well if the government's assessment is that the restrictions aren't required. Yes, great freedom. But in that case don't say that it's "expected and recommended" that we'll wear masks on public transport anyway. And don't "encourage" events to use covid certification.
I'm not necessarily against them opening up. I'm just against them removing the rules but expecting people to follow them anyway.

好吧,如果政府的评估是不需要限制。是的,伟大的自由。但在这种情况下,不要说我们“期望和建议”在公共交通工具上戴口罩。也不要“鼓励”集体活动使用防疫认证。
我并不一定反对他们解封。我只是反对他们取消防疫规定,但却期望人们自觉遵守这些规定。

AdministrativeShip2
I sign in, wear my face covering, try to get a seat near a window, and avoid crowds. I'm not travelling unless its essential.
So far the only people I know that have caught Covid are the ones who blatantly ignore rules. Or have been forced to associate in high risk environments e.g. travel, school, work.

我签到,戴口罩,尽量找一个靠窗的座位,避开人群。除非必要,否则我不旅行。
到目前为止,我所知道的唯一感染新冠的人是那些公然无视防疫规则的人。或被迫在高风险环境下(比如旅行、上学、工作)互动的人。

ThisAltDoesNotExist
I never wanted the app, don't trust it and have only downloaded it when forced to, then dexed it later. I am happy to put down my real contact info, I might have used this app if I felt I could trust the government.

我从来都不想要这个应用,不相信它,只有在被迫下载的时候才会下载,之后就删除了。我很高兴写下我真实的联系方式,如果我觉得我可以信任政府,那我可能会使用这个应用程序。

Dajo05
It pinged me in December so I missed the two working weeks before Christmas.
I isolated until the isolation period ended on Christmas Day. 10pm on Boxing Day, having seen no one for two weeks, it pinged me saying I'd been in close contact with someone and needed to isolate.
That was when I decided to dexe it.

它在12月通知我要隔离,所以我错过了圣诞节前两周的工作。
我一直被隔离,直到圣诞节隔离期结束。节礼日晚上10点,在两周没有见到任何人的情况下,它又向我发出信号,说我与某人有密切接触,需要隔离。
就在那时我决定删除它。

NekoFever
I still have it installed, but the contact-tracing is turned off.

我还安装了它,但是接触追踪功能被关掉了。

WiggyRich23
It seems to imply that 20% of ALL adults have dexed it, so I assume a much larger percentage never downloaded it?
I'm self isolating and missing my friends wedding. I'm not saying the app itself doesn't work, but so few people seem to be using it that I'm not gunna be the sucker that is isolating when Covid is spreading anyway.

这似乎意味着20%的成年人已经删除了它,所以我认为更大比例的人从未下载过它?
我在自我隔离,错过了朋友的婚礼。我并不是说这个应用本身不能工作,但使用它的人似乎太少了,所以我不打算在病毒传播时成为(少数几个)自我隔离的倒霉蛋。

brandscill92
I'd just get a test and go to the wedding

如果我是你,我只需要做个检测,然后就去参加婚礼
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WiggyRich23
I don't blame you, I've been tempted to do the same.
I've had a PCR test, it was negative, however according to the official advice I could still develop symptoms.
The groom's sister has a medical condition and can't be vaccinated and there's several other vulnerable people going, so I'm going to be sat inside alone on the sunniest weekend of the year so far.

我不指责你,我也想这么做。
我做过病毒检测,结果是阴性的,但是根据官方的建议,我仍然有可能出现症状。
新郎的妹妹生病了,不能接种疫苗,还有其他几个免疫力低的人要去,所以我要在这个一年中迄今为止最晴朗的周末独自坐在家里。

IHaveAWittyUsername
I've had a PCR test, it was negative, however according to the official advice I could still develop symptoms.
It can take up to 14 days to develop symptoms. The problem with taking a test is that you can test negative one day but then positive the next, invalidating the result in many situations.

“我做过病毒检测,结果是阴性的,但是根据官方的建议,我仍然有可能出现症状”
可能需要长达14天的时间才会出现症状。参加检测的问题在于,你可能前一天测试结果是阴性的,而第二天的检测结果就变成阳性的了,所以在许多情况下,检测结果都是没意义的。

uk451
Strange logic. If you’re happy deleting the app you should be happy ignoring the app. Especially given you’ve had a pcr test.

奇怪的逻辑。如果你乐于删除这个应用,那你也应该乐于无视它。尤其是考虑到你已经做过了病毒检测。

LateFlorey
Has the app told you to isolate, or did the legal track and trace service contact you?

应用告诉你隔离了吗,还是法定追踪服务联系了你?

WiggyRich23
The app has told me to isolate, but the advice is still to isolate despite a negative test, as symptoms can take time to develop.

应用告诉我要隔离,但建议还是要隔离,尽管检测呈阴性,因为症状的发展可能需要一段时间。

LateFlorey
I think there’s a difference and maybe trust your own judgement on this.
Not saying it’s not reliable but I got pinged and hadn’t seen anyone or been out of the house in over a week due to work commitments. So yeah…

我认为这是有区别的,也许相信你自己的判断。
不是说它不可靠,但我收到了隔离通知,因为工作安排,我一周多没见过任何人,也没出过家门。所以,是的……

JadeMarieXoXo
Never downloaded it at all tbh, there’s no benefits and so many negatives. Why would I miss work for no reason and potentially miss wages.

说实话我从来没有下载过,没有好处,有很多缺点。为什么我会无缘无故地错过工作,甚至可能错过工资呢。

Ariadne2015
My wife was pinged saying she had to do 5 days isolation because she had a contact 6 days prior. None of the people she spent the day with were pinged and after 12 hours her app just went back to normal.

我妻子被告知她必须隔离5天,因为她6天前有过一次接触。可和她在一起的所有人都没有收到隔离通知,12小时后,她的应用就又恢复正常了。
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AutumnSunshiiine
I still have it. I’m actually curious if I’ve been in contact with anyone with Covid. So far I haven’t been pinged. I don’t have any antibodies to Covid either.

我现在还留着。我其实很好奇我是否接触过任何冠状病毒感染者。到目前为止,我还没有被通知隔离过。我也没有对新冠病毒的抗体。

ivix
It's far higher than that because many would not admit it to a poll. A large group will also be ignoring the pings.

真实数字远高于这个数字,因为很多人不会在民意调查中承认这一点。一大群(没有卸载的)也会无视APP隔离通知。
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MrHouse2281no more Nanny State
I’m proud to declare I’ve never downloaded the app to date, even as a frequent pub goer.

我很自豪地宣布,迄今为止我从未下载过这个应用,即使我经常去酒吧。

RMcD94
I had never heard of this, was it in Scotland too? I didn't know there was an app

我从来没听说过这个应用,在苏格兰也能用吗?我都不知道还有这么个应用

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