美国拒绝新冠疫苗人士：我要逃离加州，需要帮助
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I wish it were a joke.
这是个玩笑该多好。
I wish it were a joke.
这是个玩笑该多好。
My wife and I live in california with our 8 month old son. I am a veteran of the Air Force, I am currently in school for theology and biblical studies, but i was a chinese linguist and analyst working at an NSA billet. My wife is a very high level chinese teacher that can create curriculum, teach and even give cultural studies classes. She is an immigrant and came here from china to escape the kind of dictatorship Biden is now embracing, she teaches at DLI, training our soldiers, airmen, marines and...naval personnel... in the chinese language. She is one of the proudest americans I know, and I grew up playing football in alabama...
我和妻子还有8个月大的儿子住在加州。我是一名空军老兵，我目前在学校进行神学和圣经研究，但我曾是一名在美国国家安全局工作的中文语言学家和分析师。我的妻子是一个水平非常高的汉语教师，她可以创建课程，授课，甚至教授文化研究课程。她是移民，之所以从中国来到这里，是为了逃离...，而拜登现在正在拥抱那种统治，她在DLI教书，训练我们的士兵、飞行员、海军陆战队员和……海军人员……用中文。她是我认识的最自豪的美国人之一，而我是在阿拉巴马州玩橄榄球长大的……
我和妻子还有8个月大的儿子住在加州。我是一名空军老兵，我目前在学校进行神学和圣经研究，但我曾是一名在美国国家安全局工作的中文语言学家和分析师。我的妻子是一个水平非常高的汉语教师，她可以创建课程，授课，甚至教授文化研究课程。她是移民，之所以从中国来到这里，是为了逃离...，而拜登现在正在拥抱那种统治，她在DLI教书，训练我们的士兵、飞行员、海军陆战队员和……海军人员……用中文。她是我认识的最自豪的美国人之一，而我是在阿拉巴马州玩橄榄球长大的……
We are now in jeopardy of losing all we have worked for and the ability to care for our son because of this vaccine mandate.
由于这项疫苗授权，我们现在处于危险境地，可能失去我们所为之努力的一切，以及照顾儿子的能力。
由于这项疫苗授权，我们现在处于危险境地，可能失去我们所为之努力的一切，以及照顾儿子的能力。
I understand that the vaccine appears safe and may not have been intended for malicious purposes, but remember the challenger crash? Even rocket scientists cant predict everything.
我知道疫苗看起来是安全的而且可能不带恶意，但还记得挑战者号坠毁事件吗?即使是火箭科学家也不能预测一切。
我知道疫苗看起来是安全的而且可能不带恶意，但还记得挑战者号坠毁事件吗?即使是火箭科学家也不能预测一切。
If anyone knows any job or career opportunity outside of california, preferably in any red state for a very capable mandarin teacher, or a former analyst/translator...please reach out.
如果有人知道任何在加州以外的工作或职业机会，最好是在任何红色州，招聘非常有能力的汉语教师，或前分析师/翻译……请告诉我。
如果有人知道任何在加州以外的工作或职业机会，最好是在任何红色州，招聘非常有能力的汉语教师，或前分析师/翻译……请告诉我。
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RedBaronsBrother
IIRC, there is quite a large Chinese community in Houston.
如果我没记错，休斯敦有一个相当大的华人社区。
IIRC, there is quite a large Chinese community in Houston.
如果我没记错，休斯敦有一个相当大的华人社区。
TheGlen
Not as much at Vietnamese. We do have a large Asian population but it's mostly Vietnamese and Filipino. Still probably large in terms of people instead of percentage but our Chinatown dried up decades ago.
但没有越南人那么多。这里有很多亚裔，但主要是越南人和菲律宾人。如果不看百分比，而是看人数的话，华裔群体可能仍然很大，但这里的唐人街在几十年前就衰败了。
Not as much at Vietnamese. We do have a large Asian population but it's mostly Vietnamese and Filipino. Still probably large in terms of people instead of percentage but our Chinatown dried up decades ago.
但没有越南人那么多。这里有很多亚裔，但主要是越南人和菲律宾人。如果不看百分比，而是看人数的话，华裔群体可能仍然很大，但这里的唐人街在几十年前就衰败了。
RedBaronsBrother
Ah - I live a bit further north and don't get down that way often.
啊——我住在稍微靠北一点的地方，不常到那边去。
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Ah - I live a bit further north and don't get down that way often.
啊——我住在稍微靠北一点的地方，不常到那边去。
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AtlasCame420
remember the challenger crash? Even rocket scientists cant predict everything.
This analogy is amazing. Thank you for sharing it. I'm in a very blue area myself and wish you the best of luck escaping.
“还记得挑战者号坠毁事件吗?即使是火箭科学家也不能预测一切。”
这个类比很神奇。谢谢分享。我自己也在一个深蓝地区，希望你能幸运地逃离加州。
remember the challenger crash? Even rocket scientists cant predict everything.
This analogy is amazing. Thank you for sharing it. I'm in a very blue area myself and wish you the best of luck escaping.
“还记得挑战者号坠毁事件吗?即使是火箭科学家也不能预测一切。”
这个类比很神奇。谢谢分享。我自己也在一个深蓝地区，希望你能幸运地逃离加州。
Nunez2013
The reason the challenger exploded is because they were in a rush to meet the launch deadline and over looked a few things. Ironic isn’t it.
挑战者号爆炸的原因是他们急于赶上发射期限，而忽略了一些东西。很有讽刺意味，不是吗？
The reason the challenger exploded is because they were in a rush to meet the launch deadline and over looked a few things. Ironic isn’t it.
挑战者号爆炸的原因是他们急于赶上发射期限，而忽略了一些东西。很有讽刺意味，不是吗？
AtlasCame420
Quite.
相当有。
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Quite.
相当有。
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npoggi79
One engineer predicted the O rings would fail but was instantly overlooked by their desire to launch
一位工程师预测挑战者号上的O型环会出故障，但由于他们的发射愿望，立刻被忽视了。
One engineer predicted the O rings would fail but was instantly overlooked by their desire to launch
一位工程师预测挑战者号上的O型环会出故障，但由于他们的发射愿望，立刻被忽视了。
Hoodyhooooo182
I was gonna say, they totally predicted it. One half of the people knew and just didn’t care and the other half couldn’t do anything about it.
我想说，他们完全预测到了故障。有一半的人知道，只是不在乎，而另一半人对此无能为力。
I was gonna say, they totally predicted it. One half of the people knew and just didn’t care and the other half couldn’t do anything about it.
我想说，他们完全预测到了故障。有一半的人知道，只是不在乎，而另一半人对此无能为力。
soupafi
He even thought it would blow up on the launchpad. Sad thing is, if Challenger didn’t hit wind shear, the computer wouldn’t have adjusted clue end they would have barley made it.
他甚至认为它会在发射台爆炸。可悲的是，如果挑战者号没有遇到乱流，计算机就不会调整轨迹，然后他们勉强就能发射成功了。
He even thought it would blow up on the launchpad. Sad thing is, if Challenger didn’t hit wind shear, the computer wouldn’t have adjusted clue end they would have barley made it.
他甚至认为它会在发射台爆炸。可悲的是，如果挑战者号没有遇到乱流，计算机就不会调整轨迹，然后他们勉强就能发射成功了。
SilverHerfer
Regardless of the disaster, someone somewhere predicted it. And then some backbencher will pick it up and wail about the incompetence of not see this one prediction out of thousands and doing something about it.
撇开灾难不谈，某处某人预测到了这个事故。然后，一些坐冷板凳的家伙就会提起此事，哀叹自己在成千上万个预测中没有看到这个隐患并且采取行动，这是多么无能。
Regardless of the disaster, someone somewhere predicted it. And then some backbencher will pick it up and wail about the incompetence of not see this one prediction out of thousands and doing something about it.
撇开灾难不谈，某处某人预测到了这个事故。然后，一些坐冷板凳的家伙就会提起此事，哀叹自己在成千上万个预测中没有看到这个隐患并且采取行动，这是多么无能。
wendigo__psychosis
Bro, move to north ga. We have a huge Asian community band a huge military community. My wife is a real estate agent with a broker. We’ve move people from California almost weekly now.
兄弟，搬到北乔治亚州吧。这里有一个巨大的亚洲社区乐队和一个巨大的军人社区。我妻子是一个房地产经纪人。现在几乎每周都有人从加州搬过来。
Bro, move to north ga. We have a huge Asian community band a huge military community. My wife is a real estate agent with a broker. We’ve move people from California almost weekly now.
兄弟，搬到北乔治亚州吧。这里有一个巨大的亚洲社区乐队和一个巨大的军人社区。我妻子是一个房地产经纪人。现在几乎每周都有人从加州搬过来。
markstormweather
Lmao it’s like you run the Underground Railroad for fed up conservatives
笑死我了，好像你在为那些无法忍受的保守派管理地下交通线。
Lmao it’s like you run the Underground Railroad for fed up conservatives
笑死我了，好像你在为那些无法忍受的保守派管理地下交通线。
wendigo__psychosis
Literally do. He would fit in perfectly here.
确实如此。他会很适合这里的。
Literally do. He would fit in perfectly here.
确实如此。他会很适合这里的。
MaleficentAd9758
Big Chinese population in Boston as well, but The People's Republic of Massachusetts is mostly blue in the eastern part of the state.
波士顿也有大量的华人，但马萨诸塞州“人民共和国”东部的大部分地区是蓝色的。
Big Chinese population in Boston as well, but The People's Republic of Massachusetts is mostly blue in the eastern part of the state.
波士顿也有大量的华人，但马萨诸塞州“人民共和国”东部的大部分地区是蓝色的。
Hoodyhooooo182
Doooont come to MA!! It’s awful here…
不要来马萨诸塞州！这里很糟糕……
Doooont come to MA!! It’s awful here…
不要来马萨诸塞州！这里很糟糕……
CUEBALL424
Check out the Dayton Ohio area. With Wright Patterson AFB and NASIC there are alot of opportunities for two people with your skills and the area is very friendly to the military. Columbus and Cincinnati are both an hour away and housing is really cheap. (Of course everywhere will be for you guys cuz your used to California prices). I moved here after I got off active duty in 2007 from South Carolina and it's a great place to live.
看看俄亥俄州代顿地区。这里有赖特·帕特森空军基地和NASIC（国家航空航天情报中心），你们两个有这种技能的人有很多机会，而且该地区对军人非常友好。距离哥伦布和辛辛那提都是一小时的路程，而且住房也很便宜。(当然任何地方都适合你们，因为你们习惯了加州的房价)。2007年我从南卡罗来纳退役后搬到了这里，这是一个非常适合居住的地方。
Check out the Dayton Ohio area. With Wright Patterson AFB and NASIC there are alot of opportunities for two people with your skills and the area is very friendly to the military. Columbus and Cincinnati are both an hour away and housing is really cheap. (Of course everywhere will be for you guys cuz your used to California prices). I moved here after I got off active duty in 2007 from South Carolina and it's a great place to live.
看看俄亥俄州代顿地区。这里有赖特·帕特森空军基地和NASIC（国家航空航天情报中心），你们两个有这种技能的人有很多机会，而且该地区对军人非常友好。距离哥伦布和辛辛那提都是一小时的路程，而且住房也很便宜。(当然任何地方都适合你们，因为你们习惯了加州的房价)。2007年我从南卡罗来纳退役后搬到了这里，这是一个非常适合居住的地方。
Notabot02735381
Come to Nebraska! We have an Air Force base, stratcom, a lot of retired military end up staying. It’s a great place to raise a family. And if you can’t bear the thought of not being on the water, there are tons of residential lakes along the platte river.
来到内布拉斯加州吧!这里有一个空军基地，战略通信中心，很多退役军人最终留在这里。那是一个养育家庭的好地方。如果你无法忍受不能下水的想法，普拉特河沿岸有许多有人居住的湖泊。
Come to Nebraska! We have an Air Force base, stratcom, a lot of retired military end up staying. It’s a great place to raise a family. And if you can’t bear the thought of not being on the water, there are tons of residential lakes along the platte river.
来到内布拉斯加州吧!这里有一个空军基地，战略通信中心，很多退役军人最终留在这里。那是一个养育家庭的好地方。如果你无法忍受不能下水的想法，普拉特河沿岸有许多有人居住的湖泊。
Dr_Geppetto
You want to leave California because you’re being asked to vaccinate? A vaccine that is safe, can prevent you, your loved ones, and your neighbors from harm AND it’s free? It’s remarkable that a public health issue has been politicized into a personal rights issue.
你竟然因为他们让你去接种疫苗，而想要离开加州?一种安全的疫苗，可以防止你，你的亲人和你的邻居受到伤害，而且是免费的?这个公共健康问题已经被政治化成了个人权利问题，这是很不寻常的。
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You want to leave California because you’re being asked to vaccinate? A vaccine that is safe, can prevent you, your loved ones, and your neighbors from harm AND it’s free? It’s remarkable that a public health issue has been politicized into a personal rights issue.
你竟然因为他们让你去接种疫苗，而想要离开加州?一种安全的疫苗，可以防止你，你的亲人和你的邻居受到伤害，而且是免费的?这个公共健康问题已经被政治化成了个人权利问题，这是很不寻常的。
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vodkafriend
Try to open up your perspective to see the full picture here. Getting a shot in the arm injecting yourself with something “free”, rushed and barely tested is completely up to each individual. If you are so scared of the virus (that is still able to infect those with a vaccination) then Id honestly say avoid people, distance and wear a mask - oh wait! We already have to do those things.
请努力打开视角，看到这个问题的全貌。是否给自己注射一些“免费的”、匆忙的、几乎没有测试过的东西，这完全取决于每个人。如果你这么害怕病毒(它仍然可以感染那些接种疫苗的人)，那么我诚实地说，你要避开人群，保持距离，戴上口罩——哦，等等!我们已经做了这些事。
Try to open up your perspective to see the full picture here. Getting a shot in the arm injecting yourself with something “free”, rushed and barely tested is completely up to each individual. If you are so scared of the virus (that is still able to infect those with a vaccination) then Id honestly say avoid people, distance and wear a mask - oh wait! We already have to do those things.
请努力打开视角，看到这个问题的全貌。是否给自己注射一些“免费的”、匆忙的、几乎没有测试过的东西，这完全取决于每个人。如果你这么害怕病毒(它仍然可以感染那些接种疫苗的人)，那么我诚实地说，你要避开人群，保持距离，戴上口罩——哦，等等!我们已经做了这些事。
Usaffranklin
I disagree with statement that it is safe.
Even painkillers go through controlled human trials for years before approval.
This is a new type of vaccine that already has been proven to create a spike protein the CDC labels as a pathogenic toxin. Something they did not see coming.
我不同意“疫苗安全”的说法。
即使是止痛药也要经过数年的人体对照试验才能获得批准。
这是一种新型疫苗，已经被证明可以产生一种刺突蛋白，疾控中心将其标记为致病性毒素。他们没有预料到这件事。
I disagree with statement that it is safe.
Even painkillers go through controlled human trials for years before approval.
This is a new type of vaccine that already has been proven to create a spike protein the CDC labels as a pathogenic toxin. Something they did not see coming.
我不同意“疫苗安全”的说法。
即使是止痛药也要经过数年的人体对照试验才能获得批准。
这是一种新型疫苗，已经被证明可以产生一种刺突蛋白，疾控中心将其标记为致病性毒素。他们没有预料到这件事。
With less than one year of human trial, it is not even close to being conclusive, and any data attributed to the vaccine has to be taken with the knowledge that it WAS NOT verified in a scientific and closed environment. No control group and myriad variables, unaccounted for.
Humans have a history of thinking we know what were doing, and then being painfully wrong.
I will wait until it has at least a 3 year trial.
凭借不到一年的人体试验，甚至无法得出结论，而且对于任何与疫苗有关的数据，我们都必须知道它有没有在科学和封闭的环境中得到验证。没有对照组和无数变量，无法解释。
人类有这样一段历史:我们自认为知道自己在做什么，然后痛苦地错了。
我会等到至少3年的试验。
Humans have a history of thinking we know what were doing, and then being painfully wrong.
I will wait until it has at least a 3 year trial.
凭借不到一年的人体试验，甚至无法得出结论，而且对于任何与疫苗有关的数据，我们都必须知道它有没有在科学和封闭的环境中得到验证。没有对照组和无数变量，无法解释。
人类有这样一段历史:我们自认为知道自己在做什么，然后痛苦地错了。
我会等到至少3年的试验。
If the vaccine is keeping people safe, why would me not taking it endanger you?
I wear a mask, because if i were sick, I wont spread it, but if i had a vaccine, I would still be susceptible to spreading the virus, and still need a mask,
The choice to vaccinate even by the loose science of general trials, only affects the person who vaccinates, it wont make anyone but that individual safer.
如果这种疫苗能保证人们的安全，为什么我不接种就会危及你?
我戴口罩，因为如果我生病了，我不会传播病毒，但如果我打了疫苗，我仍然容易传播病毒，而且仍然需要口罩。
即使按照普通试验的松散科学原理，选择接种疫苗，也只会影响到接种疫苗的人，它不会使任何人更安全，除了那个人本身。
I wear a mask, because if i were sick, I wont spread it, but if i had a vaccine, I would still be susceptible to spreading the virus, and still need a mask,
The choice to vaccinate even by the loose science of general trials, only affects the person who vaccinates, it wont make anyone but that individual safer.
如果这种疫苗能保证人们的安全，为什么我不接种就会危及你?
我戴口罩，因为如果我生病了，我不会传播病毒，但如果我打了疫苗，我仍然容易传播病毒，而且仍然需要口罩。
即使按照普通试验的松散科学原理，选择接种疫苗，也只会影响到接种疫苗的人，它不会使任何人更安全，除了那个人本身。
Of course that may be horse shit too since 5 months ago "vaccinated cannot transmit the virus" was an official stance on the vaccine by the same scientists.
Either way, california has more problems than just not being able to stand up for peoples rights.
And joe Biden's dictatorship is just getting started.
当然，这也可能是无稽之谈，因为5个月前“接种疫苗不会传播病毒”，是同一批科学家对疫苗的官方立场。
不管怎样，加州面临的问题不仅仅是不能维护人民的权利。
乔·拜登的独裁统治才刚刚开始。
Either way, california has more problems than just not being able to stand up for peoples rights.
And joe Biden's dictatorship is just getting started.
当然，这也可能是无稽之谈，因为5个月前“接种疫苗不会传播病毒”，是同一批科学家对疫苗的官方立场。
不管怎样，加州面临的问题不仅仅是不能维护人民的权利。
乔·拜登的独裁统治才刚刚开始。
Years from now, if that vaccine causes fatal blood clots in 25 percent of the recipients, will you and others be paying the checks to those who you forced into it?
Or months from now when climate change is declared a global health emergencies and companies are forced to either fire you or force you to stop driving a gasoline vehicle, will you try to resist then?
When they declare not agreeing with them is hate speech and declare that an emergency, and either you shut up, praise the party, or be fired...will you see the danger of this government?
若干年后，如果这种疫苗导致25%的接种者出现致命的血栓，你和其他人会为那些被你强迫接种的人买单吗?
或者几个月后，当气候变化被宣布为全球卫生紧急事件，公司被迫要么解雇你，要么强迫你停止驾驶汽油车时，你会尝试抵制吗?
当他们宣布任何与他们相悖的观点都属于仇恨言论，并宣布进入紧急状态，你要么闭嘴，要么赞扬政党，要么被解雇……你能看到这个政府的危险性吗?
Or months from now when climate change is declared a global health emergencies and companies are forced to either fire you or force you to stop driving a gasoline vehicle, will you try to resist then?
When they declare not agreeing with them is hate speech and declare that an emergency, and either you shut up, praise the party, or be fired...will you see the danger of this government?
若干年后，如果这种疫苗导致25%的接种者出现致命的血栓，你和其他人会为那些被你强迫接种的人买单吗?
或者几个月后，当气候变化被宣布为全球卫生紧急事件，公司被迫要么解雇你，要么强迫你停止驾驶汽油车时，你会尝试抵制吗?
当他们宣布任何与他们相悖的观点都属于仇恨言论，并宣布进入紧急状态，你要么闭嘴，要么赞扬政党，要么被解雇……你能看到这个政府的危险性吗?
My wife fled communist china to avoid this exact form of dictatorship, " the peoples republic". Its all for the good of the people...and a few people decide what good means.
I know its hard for someone who has no direct experience living in or fighting dictatorships, but as a family who has done both, we are not keen on our rights being subverted, and we see the signs most clearly.
我妻子逃离……
我知道，对于一个没有亲身经历……的人来说，这很难理解，但作为一个有过这两种经历的家庭，我们不希望自己的权利被颠覆，而我们能最清楚地看到了这种迹象。
I know its hard for someone who has no direct experience living in or fighting dictatorships, but as a family who has done both, we are not keen on our rights being subverted, and we see the signs most clearly.
我妻子逃离……
我知道，对于一个没有亲身经历……的人来说，这很难理解，但作为一个有过这两种经历的家庭，我们不希望自己的权利被颠覆，而我们能最清楚地看到了这种迹象。
TbRays93Plumber26
I'm surprised there isnt more reasons to leave California. Is the vaccine safe. not fully true there's pros and cons to it. Can it prevent yeah sure but most that are getting the delta strain have the vaccine. My buddy is in the ICU at the moment due to covid and hes fully vaccinated. Do people need to mind their own business if someone else is vaccinated or not most definitely that's what pisses me off.
我很惊讶，你离开加州没有更多的理由。疫苗安全吗？不确定，有好处也有坏处。它能预防吗？当然可以，但大多数感染德尔塔病毒的人都接种了疫苗。我的朋友因为新冠肺炎躺在重症监护室，他已经完全接种了疫苗。人们难道没事干了吗?总想管别人是否接种了疫苗？这绝对是让我生气的地方。
I'm surprised there isnt more reasons to leave California. Is the vaccine safe. not fully true there's pros and cons to it. Can it prevent yeah sure but most that are getting the delta strain have the vaccine. My buddy is in the ICU at the moment due to covid and hes fully vaccinated. Do people need to mind their own business if someone else is vaccinated or not most definitely that's what pisses me off.
我很惊讶，你离开加州没有更多的理由。疫苗安全吗？不确定，有好处也有坏处。它能预防吗？当然可以，但大多数感染德尔塔病毒的人都接种了疫苗。我的朋友因为新冠肺炎躺在重症监护室，他已经完全接种了疫苗。人们难道没事干了吗?总想管别人是否接种了疫苗？这绝对是让我生气的地方。
pro_nosepicker
The challenger crisis? That’s the new argument ? Really?
The US military has required vaccines for decades. Military vaccine requirements
Honestly, people are just being obstinate and drama queens at this point.
I’m a Republican by the way. You all are just making us look stupid though. I’m completely fed up with it at this point.
挑战者号的危机？这是新论据？真的？
几十年来，美国军队一直要求接种疫苗。参军必须打疫苗。
说实话，人们在这个问题上都很固执和小题大做。
顺便说一下，我是共和党人。但你们这种做法只会让我们显得很蠢。在这个问题上我完全受够了。
The challenger crisis? That’s the new argument ? Really?
The US military has required vaccines for decades. Military vaccine requirements
Honestly, people are just being obstinate and drama queens at this point.
I’m a Republican by the way. You all are just making us look stupid though. I’m completely fed up with it at this point.
挑战者号的危机？这是新论据？真的？
几十年来，美国军队一直要求接种疫苗。参军必须打疫苗。
说实话，人们在这个问题上都很固执和小题大做。
顺便说一下，我是共和党人。但你们这种做法只会让我们显得很蠢。在这个问题上我完全受够了。
Usaffranklin
Heres the argument.
5 months ago the same scientists were saying that vaccinated people wouldnt spread covid.
The same people are telling you they can predict with certainty that 5 years from now, the pathogenic spike protein labeled as a toxin by the CDC which they did not foresee, wont have any adverse side effects.
Every single vaccine ever mandated by the federal government for its employees or for public areas has been through more than 3 years of human trials in a controlled enviroment.
这是我的论据：
5个月前，同一群科学家还说接种疫苗的人不会传播新冠病毒。
同样是这些人告诉你他们可以确定地预测到5年后，但他们没有预见到致病性刺突蛋白被疾控中心标记为毒素，相反称它不会有任何副作用。
而每一种经联邦政府授权用于雇员或公共场所的疫苗，都经过了3年多的受控环境下的人体试验。
Heres the argument.
5 months ago the same scientists were saying that vaccinated people wouldnt spread covid.
The same people are telling you they can predict with certainty that 5 years from now, the pathogenic spike protein labeled as a toxin by the CDC which they did not foresee, wont have any adverse side effects.
Every single vaccine ever mandated by the federal government for its employees or for public areas has been through more than 3 years of human trials in a controlled enviroment.
这是我的论据：
5个月前，同一群科学家还说接种疫苗的人不会传播新冠病毒。
同样是这些人告诉你他们可以确定地预测到5年后，但他们没有预见到致病性刺突蛋白被疾控中心标记为毒素，相反称它不会有任何副作用。
而每一种经联邦政府授权用于雇员或公共场所的疫苗，都经过了3年多的受控环境下的人体试验。
This vaccine is barely a year into human use, and already the scientists have been wrong about it more than once.
The point about the challenger is that we trust these high level people to know what theyre doing and keep us safe when it is not any stretch of the imagination to think they could fail.
Not only this. But imagine if you can compel the ingestion of a substance that hasnt been tested against long term side effects, what else can you compel.
When gun violence is a public health crisis, amd they compel the confiscation of weapons or the termination of employment or licenses, will you understand then?
但这种疫苗进入人类使用还不到一年，而且科学家们就已经不止一次地搞错了。
挑战者号事件关键在于，当高层人士没有任何一点“他们可能失败”的想象力，我们却相信他们知道他们在做什么，并能保证我们的安全。
但是不仅如此，想象一下，如果你能强迫别人摄入一种没有经过长期副作用测试的物质，你还能强迫他们什么呢?
如果他们把枪支暴力列为公共健康危机，并采取强力手段没收武器或终止工作或执照时，你能表示理解吗?
The point about the challenger is that we trust these high level people to know what theyre doing and keep us safe when it is not any stretch of the imagination to think they could fail.
Not only this. But imagine if you can compel the ingestion of a substance that hasnt been tested against long term side effects, what else can you compel.
When gun violence is a public health crisis, amd they compel the confiscation of weapons or the termination of employment or licenses, will you understand then?
但这种疫苗进入人类使用还不到一年，而且科学家们就已经不止一次地搞错了。
挑战者号事件关键在于，当高层人士没有任何一点“他们可能失败”的想象力，我们却相信他们知道他们在做什么，并能保证我们的安全。
但是不仅如此，想象一下，如果你能强迫别人摄入一种没有经过长期副作用测试的物质，你还能强迫他们什么呢?
如果他们把枪支暴力列为公共健康危机，并采取强力手段没收武器或终止工作或执照时，你能表示理解吗?
My wife fled china to avoid this kind of "dictatorship for your own good"
Dont be a reason america doesnt live up to the freedom it promised her.
I dont care if youre a republican. Our government should embody our highest values as a nation, not a political doctrine of a single party.
The military is such a stupid point. I was in the military....i signed a waiver specifically relinquishing my personal liberty and freedoms guaranteed under the bill of rights.
No one who isnt in the military has signed that document and cannot be subjected to that.
Dont speak on things if you dont have the experience or knowledge.
我妻子逃离中国，就是为了躲开这种“为了你好的**”。
请不要变成美国不能实践它向她应许的自由的原因。
我不在乎你是不是共和党人。我们的政府应该体现我们作为一个国家的最高价值观，而不是一个政党的政治信条。
至于你说军队如何，真是个愚蠢的观点。我曾在军队里服役……我签署了一份弃权书，明确地放弃了我的个人自由和权利法案所保障的自由。
如果一个人没有加入军队，不曾签署过那份文件，就不能强迫他服从那些规定。
如果你对某件事没有经历或者了解，就不要谈论。
Dont be a reason america doesnt live up to the freedom it promised her.
I dont care if youre a republican. Our government should embody our highest values as a nation, not a political doctrine of a single party.
The military is such a stupid point. I was in the military....i signed a waiver specifically relinquishing my personal liberty and freedoms guaranteed under the bill of rights.
No one who isnt in the military has signed that document and cannot be subjected to that.
Dont speak on things if you dont have the experience or knowledge.
我妻子逃离中国，就是为了躲开这种“为了你好的**”。
请不要变成美国不能实践它向她应许的自由的原因。
我不在乎你是不是共和党人。我们的政府应该体现我们作为一个国家的最高价值观，而不是一个政党的政治信条。
至于你说军队如何，真是个愚蠢的观点。我曾在军队里服役……我签署了一份弃权书，明确地放弃了我的个人自由和权利法案所保障的自由。
如果一个人没有加入军队，不曾签署过那份文件，就不能强迫他服从那些规定。
如果你对某件事没有经历或者了解，就不要谈论。
Neanderthalbastard
Florida’s a red state. My daughter took some Chinese in public high school. We need pastors. We have Trinity College for you to continue your education. Billy Graham graduated from Trinity College. We have MacDill Air Force base in Tampa. There’s also Tyndall Air Force base in Panama City. We have DeSantis as Governor. Consider yourself invited.
佛罗里达是红色州。我女儿在公立高中学过一些中文。我们需要牧师。我们有三一学院供你继续深造。比利·格雷厄姆毕业于三一学院。我们坦帕有麦克迪尔空军基地。巴拿马城还有廷德尔空军基地。州长是德桑蒂斯。请不要客气，我们欢迎你。
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Florida’s a red state. My daughter took some Chinese in public high school. We need pastors. We have Trinity College for you to continue your education. Billy Graham graduated from Trinity College. We have MacDill Air Force base in Tampa. There’s also Tyndall Air Force base in Panama City. We have DeSantis as Governor. Consider yourself invited.
佛罗里达是红色州。我女儿在公立高中学过一些中文。我们需要牧师。我们有三一学院供你继续深造。比利·格雷厄姆毕业于三一学院。我们坦帕有麦克迪尔空军基地。巴拿马城还有廷德尔空军基地。州长是德桑蒂斯。请不要客气，我们欢迎你。
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czbolio
I’m going to school at Liberty University, you could continue your studies there, could be opportunities for her too but I don’t know. The school and area is conservative, only thing that makes Virginia a blue state is the very far north near D.C, Richmond and VA beach
我要去利伯缇大学上学，你可以继续在那里学习，对她也是个机会，但我不确定。那里的学校和地区都很保守，唯一能让弗吉尼亚成为蓝色州的，是它最北边靠近华盛顿特区、里士满和弗吉尼亚海滩的那些地方。
I’m going to school at Liberty University, you could continue your studies there, could be opportunities for her too but I don’t know. The school and area is conservative, only thing that makes Virginia a blue state is the very far north near D.C, Richmond and VA beach
我要去利伯缇大学上学，你可以继续在那里学习，对她也是个机会，但我不确定。那里的学校和地区都很保守，唯一能让弗吉尼亚成为蓝色州的，是它最北边靠近华盛顿特区、里士满和弗吉尼亚海滩的那些地方。
Queeney3
Omaha, Nebraska
内布拉加斯州奥马哈。
Omaha, Nebraska
内布拉加斯州奥马哈。
TJSwanson52
Blue as hell, along with Lincoln. Not a good option
这里蓝得要命，还有林肯。不是一个好的选择。
Blue as hell, along with Lincoln. Not a good option
这里蓝得要命，还有林肯。不是一个好的选择。
Queeney3
I live here. I promise you, it’s a conservative state
我住在这里。我向你保证，这是一个保守的州。
I live here. I promise you, it’s a conservative state
我住在这里。我向你保证，这是一个保守的州。
Queeney3
Matter of fact, it’s one of the most conservative states I’ve lived in. Fact
事实上，这是我住过的最保守的州之一。事实。
Matter of fact, it’s one of the most conservative states I’ve lived in. Fact
事实上，这是我住过的最保守的州之一。事实。
TJSwanson52
I am a Nebraska native who just left Lincoln. If you know anything at all about Nebraska, you know that Lincoln and Omaha are as blue as possible. Lincoln has mask mandates as we speak. Omaha cast the electoral vote for Biden. Stop it.
我是内布拉斯加州人，刚离开林肯。如果你对内布拉斯加州有所了解，你就会知道林肯和奥马哈都是蓝色的。林肯现在强制戴口罩。奥马哈将选举人票投给了拜登。收手吧。
I am a Nebraska native who just left Lincoln. If you know anything at all about Nebraska, you know that Lincoln and Omaha are as blue as possible. Lincoln has mask mandates as we speak. Omaha cast the electoral vote for Biden. Stop it.
我是内布拉斯加州人，刚离开林肯。如果你对内布拉斯加州有所了解，你就会知道林肯和奥马哈都是蓝色的。林肯现在强制戴口罩。奥马哈将选举人票投给了拜登。收手吧。
Queeney3
One district in Omaha gets a separate electoral vote. They always have. But as a state in whole, it’s majority is Republican. I’ve lived here for 30 years so there nothing to stop …
奥马哈的一个选区有单独的选举人票。他们总是有。但就整个州而言，共和党占多数。我在这里住了30年了，所以没有什么好收手的……
One district in Omaha gets a separate electoral vote. They always have. But as a state in whole, it’s majority is Republican. I’ve lived here for 30 years so there nothing to stop …
奥马哈的一个选区有单独的选举人票。他们总是有。但就整个州而言，共和党占多数。我在这里住了30年了，所以没有什么好收手的……
TJSwanson52
Did you miss the part where I said I’m a native? That I just left Lincoln? Omaha is a bad choice for someone looking to get away from the blue bullshit, as is Lincoln. You’re reading to reply, not to understand.
你没听错吗？我说我是本地人，还有我刚离开林肯。奥马哈对那些想要远离蓝色垃圾的人来说是个糟糕的选择，林肯也是。你看到我的话，没有理解就匆忙回应了。
Did you miss the part where I said I’m a native? That I just left Lincoln? Omaha is a bad choice for someone looking to get away from the blue bullshit, as is Lincoln. You’re reading to reply, not to understand.
你没听错吗？我说我是本地人，还有我刚离开林肯。奥马哈对那些想要远离蓝色垃圾的人来说是个糟糕的选择，林肯也是。你看到我的话，没有理解就匆忙回应了。
Queeney3
I heard you, I just disagree with you
我听到了，只是不同意。
I heard you, I just disagree with you
我听到了，只是不同意。
TJSwanson52
Oy. Good luck out there.
好吧，祝你好运。
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Oy. Good luck out there.
好吧，祝你好运。
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lassoguard427
Asian populations are growing, I agree u gotta get in a state that is halfway still sane, Kansas is great
亚洲人口在增长，我同意你得去一个还算正常的州，堪萨斯州就很棒。
Asian populations are growing, I agree u gotta get in a state that is halfway still sane, Kansas is great
亚洲人口在增长，我同意你得去一个还算正常的州，堪萨斯州就很棒。
sundaetoppings
I think it's great that you and your wife are standing your ground and making sacrifices to protect yourselves and your child. I was just reading the other day on r/periods (haha I know, I know, most men aren't going to want to read that) that tens of thousands of young women are having serious menstrual issues after getting the Covid vaccines. I am seriously worried about possible fertility issues that haven't been discovered yet. Also, some older women post-menopausal are starting to bleed again after getting the vaccine. There are just so many unknowns with very new and very experimental vaccine.
ETA: best of luck to you on your move!
为了保护自己和孩子，你和你的妻子坚持自己的立场并做出牺牲，我认为是件好事。前几天我刚看了一篇关于经期的文章(哈哈，我知道，我知道，大多数男人不会想看这个)，说成千上万的年轻女性在接种新冠疫苗后出现了严重的经期问题。我非常担心疫苗可能会导致生育问题，只是还未发现。此外，一些绝经后的老年妇女在接种疫苗后又开始流血了。新疫苗和实验性疫苗有很多未知因素。
祝你的行动带来好运！
I think it's great that you and your wife are standing your ground and making sacrifices to protect yourselves and your child. I was just reading the other day on r/periods (haha I know, I know, most men aren't going to want to read that) that tens of thousands of young women are having serious menstrual issues after getting the Covid vaccines. I am seriously worried about possible fertility issues that haven't been discovered yet. Also, some older women post-menopausal are starting to bleed again after getting the vaccine. There are just so many unknowns with very new and very experimental vaccine.
ETA: best of luck to you on your move!
为了保护自己和孩子，你和你的妻子坚持自己的立场并做出牺牲，我认为是件好事。前几天我刚看了一篇关于经期的文章(哈哈，我知道，我知道，大多数男人不会想看这个)，说成千上万的年轻女性在接种新冠疫苗后出现了严重的经期问题。我非常担心疫苗可能会导致生育问题，只是还未发现。此外，一些绝经后的老年妇女在接种疫苗后又开始流血了。新疫苗和实验性疫苗有很多未知因素。
祝你的行动带来好运！
a_throwaway_b
Genuine question, what makes people so afraid of an approved vaccine but also completely willing to go to the hospital when they do get sick from COVID? How do you decide which aspects of medical science to trust?
真正的问题是，是什么让人们如此害怕批准的疫苗，但当他们真的因为新冠而生病时，又完全愿意去医院?你是如何决定医学科学的哪些方面值得信任的?
Genuine question, what makes people so afraid of an approved vaccine but also completely willing to go to the hospital when they do get sick from COVID? How do you decide which aspects of medical science to trust?
真正的问题是，是什么让人们如此害怕批准的疫苗，但当他们真的因为新冠而生病时，又完全愿意去医院?你是如何决定医学科学的哪些方面值得信任的?
Usaffranklin
Well thats just it. I trust medical science.
Data about the vaccine is not scientific. It is mostly guesswork since none of the trials are in a controlled setting.
There are side effects being ignored and data being disregarded, and the approval was not because of some new study, admittedly it was after pressure from biden to make people feel safer.
Slapping a gold star on it doesnt make it safer.
好吧，就是这样。我相信医学。
但关于疫苗的数据并不科学。它主要是猜测，因为没有一个试验是在控制环境下进行的。
有些副作用被忽视，而且相关数据被弃而不用，而且对疫苗的批准不是因为一些新的研究，不可否认，它是出于拜登的压力，目的是让人们感到更安全。
给它贴上一颗金星并不会让它更安全。
Well thats just it. I trust medical science.
Data about the vaccine is not scientific. It is mostly guesswork since none of the trials are in a controlled setting.
There are side effects being ignored and data being disregarded, and the approval was not because of some new study, admittedly it was after pressure from biden to make people feel safer.
Slapping a gold star on it doesnt make it safer.
好吧，就是这样。我相信医学。
但关于疫苗的数据并不科学。它主要是猜测，因为没有一个试验是在控制环境下进行的。
有些副作用被忽视，而且相关数据被弃而不用，而且对疫苗的批准不是因为一些新的研究，不可否认，它是出于拜登的压力，目的是让人们感到更安全。
给它贴上一颗金星并不会让它更安全。
Medical science works when you have a controlled test with control groups and variable groups, and outside influence can be monitored and replicated.
This was not done for the vaccine.
Standard approval for these type of new treatments are usually between 5 to ten years, for full approval. This vaccine is barely a year old.
Humans cant even put out a computer software right in the first go...why do you believe against all historical precedent that this is the exception, when theyve already been dead wrong about the vaccine several times. .
只有在由控制组和可变组组成的受控测试，而且外部影响可以被监测和复制的情况下，医学科学才起作用。
而这种疫苗没有完成这种操作。
这类新疗法的标准批准时间通常在5到10年之间。而这种疫苗还不到一年。
我们甚至不会在第一次尝试的时候就推出一个计算机软件……你为什么不顾所有的历史先例，认为这是一个例外，而切他们在疫苗的问题上已经错了好几次了。
This was not done for the vaccine.
Standard approval for these type of new treatments are usually between 5 to ten years, for full approval. This vaccine is barely a year old.
Humans cant even put out a computer software right in the first go...why do you believe against all historical precedent that this is the exception, when theyve already been dead wrong about the vaccine several times. .
只有在由控制组和可变组组成的受控测试，而且外部影响可以被监测和复制的情况下，医学科学才起作用。
而这种疫苗没有完成这种操作。
这类新疗法的标准批准时间通常在5到10年之间。而这种疫苗还不到一年。
我们甚至不会在第一次尝试的时候就推出一个计算机软件……你为什么不顾所有的历史先例，认为这是一个例外，而切他们在疫苗的问题上已经错了好几次了。
Sorry but when the guy who secretly funded creation of the actual virus that caused the pandemic tells me the vaccine is safe...i dont really feel so safe about it.
It may not have been created with nefarious purpose...probably wasnt...but that doesnt mean they know what will happen five years from now without even testing it and especially when they couldnt tell you how it would work 5 months out.
I trust treatments that have been tested for almost a decade and won nobel prizes and have a clinical effectiveness equal to that of the vaccine.
抱歉，有个人秘密资助制造了这种病毒，并导致这场大流行，当他告诉我这种疫苗是安全的……我真的觉得它不太安全。
它可能不是出于邪恶的目的而创造的……可能不是……但这并不意味着他们不经过测试就知道5年后会发生什么，尤其是在他们连5个月后会发生什么都说不出来。
我相信那些经过近10年测试、获得诺贝尔奖、具有与疫苗同等临床效果的治疗方法。
It may not have been created with nefarious purpose...probably wasnt...but that doesnt mean they know what will happen five years from now without even testing it and especially when they couldnt tell you how it would work 5 months out.
I trust treatments that have been tested for almost a decade and won nobel prizes and have a clinical effectiveness equal to that of the vaccine.
抱歉，有个人秘密资助制造了这种病毒，并导致这场大流行，当他告诉我这种疫苗是安全的……我真的觉得它不太安全。
它可能不是出于邪恶的目的而创造的……可能不是……但这并不意味着他们不经过测试就知道5年后会发生什么，尤其是在他们连5个月后会发生什么都说不出来。
我相信那些经过近10年测试、获得诺贝尔奖、具有与疫苗同等临床效果的治疗方法。
Im not anti medicine...or anti vax.
But sticking experimental drugs in your arm, not knowing what the long term effects are, is just as dangerous or worse than catching covid.
I subscribe to actual science...not actors in lab coats with a degree from a liberal institution that also teaches boys can be girls.
我不反对药物……或反疫苗。
但我觉得，在不知道长期影响的情况下，将实验性药物注入手臂，这种做法与感染新冠病毒一样危险，甚至更糟。
我相信真正的科学……而不相信那些穿着实验室白大褂的演员，他们从一个自由派的机构拿到学位，那种机构教授的男孩，也可能是女孩。
But sticking experimental drugs in your arm, not knowing what the long term effects are, is just as dangerous or worse than catching covid.
I subscribe to actual science...not actors in lab coats with a degree from a liberal institution that also teaches boys can be girls.
我不反对药物……或反疫苗。
但我觉得，在不知道长期影响的情况下，将实验性药物注入手臂，这种做法与感染新冠病毒一样危险，甚至更糟。
我相信真正的科学……而不相信那些穿着实验室白大褂的演员，他们从一个自由派的机构拿到学位，那种机构教授的男孩，也可能是女孩。
a_throwaway_b
While I disagree with many points, I really appreciate your honest and thorough answer. While I agree about aspects you mentioned about the vaccine development process, we do not have the luxury of developing a vaccine over decades while people are dying in droves and ICUs are at capacity with unvaccinated people, preventing others from getting care and jeopardizing hospital workers. And we’ve already seen that those who did get vaccinated are far less likely to get COVID or suffer serious long term or life threatening effects if they do. And if you do get COVID and have to go to a hospital, it’s not like they’ve had time to develop a treatment for this disease either. Your chances of survival have already plummeted at this point. I still feel it’s way less risky to get the vaccine than chance your survival on a system that is stretched to its limit and can’t even handle the patients they have now.
虽然我不同意你的很多观点，但我真的很欣赏你诚实和彻底的回答。虽然我同意你提到的疫苗开发过程的各个方面，但在人们成群死亡、未接种者让ICU不堪重负、导致其他人无法获得护理，并危及医院工作人员的情况下，我们没有那种奢侈去花几十年时间开发疫苗。而且我们已经看到，那些接种疫苗的人感染新冠，或长期罹患重症，或威胁生命的可能性要小得多。如果你真的感染了新冠病毒，不得不去医院，他们似乎也没有时间开发针对这种疾病的治疗方法。此时此刻，你生还的机会已经大大降低了。我还是觉得，接种疫苗的风险要比你不打疫苗存活的风险小得多，因为我们这个体系已经到达极限，甚至不能应付现有的病人。
While I disagree with many points, I really appreciate your honest and thorough answer. While I agree about aspects you mentioned about the vaccine development process, we do not have the luxury of developing a vaccine over decades while people are dying in droves and ICUs are at capacity with unvaccinated people, preventing others from getting care and jeopardizing hospital workers. And we’ve already seen that those who did get vaccinated are far less likely to get COVID or suffer serious long term or life threatening effects if they do. And if you do get COVID and have to go to a hospital, it’s not like they’ve had time to develop a treatment for this disease either. Your chances of survival have already plummeted at this point. I still feel it’s way less risky to get the vaccine than chance your survival on a system that is stretched to its limit and can’t even handle the patients they have now.
虽然我不同意你的很多观点，但我真的很欣赏你诚实和彻底的回答。虽然我同意你提到的疫苗开发过程的各个方面，但在人们成群死亡、未接种者让ICU不堪重负、导致其他人无法获得护理，并危及医院工作人员的情况下，我们没有那种奢侈去花几十年时间开发疫苗。而且我们已经看到，那些接种疫苗的人感染新冠，或长期罹患重症，或威胁生命的可能性要小得多。如果你真的感染了新冠病毒，不得不去医院，他们似乎也没有时间开发针对这种疾病的治疗方法。此时此刻，你生还的机会已经大大降低了。我还是觉得，接种疫苗的风险要比你不打疫苗存活的风险小得多，因为我们这个体系已经到达极限，甚至不能应付现有的病人。
justusethatname
I cannot express how stressful and heartbreaking this post is. You are packing up and moving because there is a severely senile corrupt tool in office. I wish you the best.
我无法表达这篇文章多么让人压力山大且心碎不已。因为坐在白宫的是一个严重衰老腐朽的工具人，你不得不收拾行李并搬家。祝你一切顺利。
I cannot express how stressful and heartbreaking this post is. You are packing up and moving because there is a severely senile corrupt tool in office. I wish you the best.
我无法表达这篇文章多么让人压力山大且心碎不已。因为坐在白宫的是一个严重衰老腐朽的工具人，你不得不收拾行李并搬家。祝你一切顺利。
SuitableEmphasis7
Check us out here in Idaho. Housing prices kinda suck now but it’s still very red.
看看我们爱达荷州的报道。现在这里房价有点糟糕，但还是很红。
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Check us out here in Idaho. Housing prices kinda suck now but it’s still very red.
看看我们爱达荷州的报道。现在这里房价有点糟糕，但还是很红。
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Crimson_W0lf
The CA recall is on the 14th of this month. If Larry Elder gets elected, you might not need to move, but I'm just speculating. I don't know your entire situation.
加州将于本月14日撤回。如果拉里·埃尔德当选，你可能不需要搬家，但我只是猜测。我不了解你的全部情况。
The CA recall is on the 14th of this month. If Larry Elder gets elected, you might not need to move, but I'm just speculating. I don't know your entire situation.
加州将于本月14日撤回。如果拉里·埃尔德当选，你可能不需要搬家，但我只是猜测。我不了解你的全部情况。
Usaffranklin
Im right there with you on this. He is more libertarian but that is common ground right now.
在这一点上我和你是一致的。他更倾向于自由主义，但这是目前的共识。
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Im right there with you on this. He is more libertarian but that is common ground right now.
在这一点上我和你是一致的。他更倾向于自由主义，但这是目前的共识。
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TooMuchButtHair
My fellow conservative, my suggestion to you would be to get the vaccine and then move out of state.
我的保守派朋友，我给你的建议是接种疫苗，然后搬到其他州去。
My fellow conservative, my suggestion to you would be to get the vaccine and then move out of state.
我的保守派朋友，我给你的建议是接种疫苗，然后搬到其他州去。
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