日本袭击珍珠港的原因（一）
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Silver
Well no wonder they kamikazed.....they knew they didn’t have enough fuel to make it back
难怪他们是自杀式攻击……因为他们知道他们没有足够的燃料回去了
Well no wonder they kamikazed.....they knew they didn’t have enough fuel to make it back
难怪他们是自杀式攻击……因为他们知道他们没有足够的燃料回去了
Big-Quazz
You joke, but that's also true. In order to make sure they went through with a kamikaze they were only given enough fuel to make it there and they were hopped up on meth.
WWII was fucked.
我觉的你在说笑，不过这也是真的，为了确保这些飞行员变成自杀式袭击，日本飞行员被注射了冰DU，飞机也只有一次航程飞行的燃料。
二战失败了（日本）。
You joke, but that's also true. In order to make sure they went through with a kamikaze they were only given enough fuel to make it there and they were hopped up on meth.
WWII was fucked.
我觉的你在说笑，不过这也是真的，为了确保这些飞行员变成自杀式袭击，日本飞行员被注射了冰DU，飞机也只有一次航程飞行的燃料。
二战失败了（日本）。
GoodRich1993
I used to think the same but that is actually a historical misconception that the kamikaze pilots only had enough fuel for one-way missions. Two reasons that’s wrong. One, especially true for army pilots insufficiently trained in over-water navigation, was they were often sent out to find targets — and couldn’t find them. If you did that only with enough fuel to reach the target area, you don’t incur any damage against the enemy, and you lose a pilot and the plane.
The other reason is that the bombs the planes carried were not particularly large. Thus, the damage a kamikaze plane could inflict on its target was greatly augmented by the fuel that it was carrying. It’s in effect a 4-ton Molotov cocktail. It would hit, the bomb would go off, and the fuel for the return trip turns into extra explosive charge — napalm, basically. It would spread fires far away from the point of impact, and wreak havoc on human flesh.
我过去也有同样的观点，认为神风敢死队的飞行员只有执行单程任务的燃料，但这实际上只是历史上的一个误解。这是错误的，原因有二。
第一个原因是，对于水上导航训练不足的陆军飞行员来说，他们会经常被派出去寻找海上目标，如果你只有一次航程燃料，等你到达目标区域后很可能找不到敌人，你不仅不会对敌人造成任何伤害，你还会失去一个飞行员和一架飞机。
第二个原因是，（二战时）飞机携带的炸弹不大。因此，神风敢死队飞机所携带的燃料大大增加了它对目标的伤害能力，实际上相当于是4吨的莫洛托夫鸡尾酒燃烧弹。飞机一旦被击中，炸弹爆炸，返程的燃料会变成附加炸药——凝固汽油弹，这会在撞击点附近传播大火，并造成严重破坏。
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I used to think the same but that is actually a historical misconception that the kamikaze pilots only had enough fuel for one-way missions. Two reasons that’s wrong. One, especially true for army pilots insufficiently trained in over-water navigation, was they were often sent out to find targets — and couldn’t find them. If you did that only with enough fuel to reach the target area, you don’t incur any damage against the enemy, and you lose a pilot and the plane.
The other reason is that the bombs the planes carried were not particularly large. Thus, the damage a kamikaze plane could inflict on its target was greatly augmented by the fuel that it was carrying. It’s in effect a 4-ton Molotov cocktail. It would hit, the bomb would go off, and the fuel for the return trip turns into extra explosive charge — napalm, basically. It would spread fires far away from the point of impact, and wreak havoc on human flesh.
我过去也有同样的观点，认为神风敢死队的飞行员只有执行单程任务的燃料，但这实际上只是历史上的一个误解。这是错误的，原因有二。
第一个原因是，对于水上导航训练不足的陆军飞行员来说，他们会经常被派出去寻找海上目标，如果你只有一次航程燃料，等你到达目标区域后很可能找不到敌人，你不仅不会对敌人造成任何伤害，你还会失去一个飞行员和一架飞机。
第二个原因是，（二战时）飞机携带的炸弹不大。因此，神风敢死队飞机所携带的燃料大大增加了它对目标的伤害能力，实际上相当于是4吨的莫洛托夫鸡尾酒燃烧弹。飞机一旦被击中，炸弹爆炸，返程的燃料会变成附加炸药——凝固汽油弹，这会在撞击点附近传播大火，并造成严重破坏。
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iSheepTouch
I just looked it up because I was curious, and you're right. Not only did they get sent off with a full tank of fuel, the planes were loaded with additional fuel to make a more significant explosion upon impact. So, saying they were sent without enough fuel for a return trip is the opposite of that actually happened.
我只是好奇才查找了一下，你说得对，这两架飞机不仅满载燃料起飞，还装载了附加燃料，以便在撞击时造成更大的爆炸。所以，说他们没有足够的燃料返回与事实完全不符。
I just looked it up because I was curious, and you're right. Not only did they get sent off with a full tank of fuel, the planes were loaded with additional fuel to make a more significant explosion upon impact. So, saying they were sent without enough fuel for a return trip is the opposite of that actually happened.
我只是好奇才查找了一下，你说得对，这两架飞机不仅满载燃料起飞，还装载了附加燃料，以便在撞击时造成更大的爆炸。所以，说他们没有足够的燃料返回与事实完全不符。
YoureGrammarWronger
There’s a lot of kamikazes that returned. They were sent up to find targets and if they didnt they returned.
OP has probably nothing more than a superficial passing knowledge
很多神风敢死队成员都回来了，他们被派上去寻找目标，如果没有发现，他们就会返回。
OP的成员可能没有多少专业知识
There’s a lot of kamikazes that returned. They were sent up to find targets and if they didnt they returned.
OP has probably nothing more than a superficial passing knowledge
很多神风敢死队成员都回来了，他们被派上去寻找目标，如果没有发现，他们就会返回。
OP的成员可能没有多少专业知识
Darth_Balthazar
The term kamikaze was actually a posthumous honorific, only given to pilots that hit a ship, the pilots that missed were not awarded the honorific and were just plain pilots that crashed into the sea
“神风敢死队”这个词实际上是一种死后的荣誉称号，只授予那些撞船的飞行员，那些没这么做的飞行员并没有被授予荣誉称号，他们只是坠入大海（跳伞）的普通飞行员
The term kamikaze was actually a posthumous honorific, only given to pilots that hit a ship, the pilots that missed were not awarded the honorific and were just plain pilots that crashed into the sea
“神风敢死队”这个词实际上是一种死后的荣誉称号，只授予那些撞船的飞行员，那些没这么做的飞行员并没有被授予荣誉称号，他们只是坠入大海（跳伞）的普通飞行员
gagwowo123
Imagine shaving your head, drinking sake and preforming a ritual for good luck to sacrifice the day and the rest of your life for your country, only to be called a dumbass that crashed into the sea
想象一下，剃光头，喝清酒，进行“武士道”仪式，为你的国家牺牲生命，结果却被称为坠入大海的笨蛋……
Imagine shaving your head, drinking sake and preforming a ritual for good luck to sacrifice the day and the rest of your life for your country, only to be called a dumbass that crashed into the sea
想象一下，剃光头，喝清酒，进行“武士道”仪式，为你的国家牺牲生命，结果却被称为坠入大海的笨蛋……
Gockel
Watashi returning? AGAIN? Weird, he never seems to find any enemies.
返回干什么？再来一次？奇怪,他似乎都没有找到任何敌人。
Watashi returning? AGAIN? Weird, he never seems to find any enemies.
返回干什么？再来一次？奇怪,他似乎都没有找到任何敌人。
YoureGrammarWronger
Ah, that sentiment was pretty strong even with some American aviators.
If you're going to crash into the sea and probably die, may as well aim for a ship for maximum damage.
即使对美国飞行员来说，这种“敢死”情绪也是相当震撼的。
因为如果你要撞到海里，很可能会死，所以不妨直接瞄准一艘船，来制造最大的伤害。
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Ah, that sentiment was pretty strong even with some American aviators.
If you're going to crash into the sea and probably die, may as well aim for a ship for maximum damage.
即使对美国飞行员来说，这种“敢死”情绪也是相当震撼的。
因为如果你要撞到海里，很可能会死，所以不妨直接瞄准一艘船，来制造最大的伤害。
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Roasted_Turk
Wanna talk about shorting fuel? Apollo 10 was a full mock up for 11 and nasa was nervous 10 would just go rogue and do it themselves since everyone on board was trained for a full mission so nasa shorted the lunar modules fuel.
想谈谈燃油短缺的问题吗？阿波罗10号是像11号一样的完整模型，因为飞船上的每个人都受过完整任务的训练，他们可以随意动手操控飞船，Nasa很紧张这样做会增加失控风险（燃油爆炸），所以Nasa最终还是减少了登月舱的燃料。
Wanna talk about shorting fuel? Apollo 10 was a full mock up for 11 and nasa was nervous 10 would just go rogue and do it themselves since everyone on board was trained for a full mission so nasa shorted the lunar modules fuel.
想谈谈燃油短缺的问题吗？阿波罗10号是像11号一样的完整模型，因为飞船上的每个人都受过完整任务的训练，他们可以随意动手操控飞船，Nasa很紧张这样做会增加失控风险（燃油爆炸），所以Nasa最终还是减少了登月舱的燃料。
RIGHT-Titan
There is actually a record of a kamikaze that returned something like 9 times. Eventually they executed him for cowardice.
But yes, there were totally valid reasons to come back alive.
Mechanical failure
Mission accomplished after the first strike
Weather
Target not located etc.etc.
They were a valuable resource to Japan, and they didn't want to waste them. That being said they were often given things so they didn't think too hard on their impending doom.
实际上有一个完整的自杀飞行记录，这架飞机返回了大约9次，最后，日本以怯懦的罪名处决了飞行员。
但是，我们有活着回来的充分理由。
机械故障
第一次袭击任务完成
天气原因
目标没有定位等等。
这些‘记录’对日本来说是一种宝贵的资源，他们不想浪费它们。也就是说，飞行员每次都会得到一些情报，所以他们不会对自己即将到来的死亡厄运想太多。
There is actually a record of a kamikaze that returned something like 9 times. Eventually they executed him for cowardice.
But yes, there were totally valid reasons to come back alive.
Mechanical failure
Mission accomplished after the first strike
Weather
Target not located etc.etc.
They were a valuable resource to Japan, and they didn't want to waste them. That being said they were often given things so they didn't think too hard on their impending doom.
实际上有一个完整的自杀飞行记录，这架飞机返回了大约9次，最后，日本以怯懦的罪名处决了飞行员。
但是，我们有活着回来的充分理由。
机械故障
第一次袭击任务完成
天气原因
目标没有定位等等。
这些‘记录’对日本来说是一种宝贵的资源，他们不想浪费它们。也就是说，飞行员每次都会得到一些情报，所以他们不会对自己即将到来的死亡厄运想太多。
funnynerf
Thank you for sharing this, a lot of people dont realise this
谢谢你的分享，很多人都不知道这些
Thank you for sharing this, a lot of people dont realise this
谢谢你的分享，很多人都不知道这些
Big-Quazz
I stand corrected. I left that comment before work, and got off work to see a bunch of people telling me how wrong I am lol.
Normally my comments are ignored and no one bothers to correct me, but I'm glad I learned something new this time.
WWII is still fucked.... but slightly less fucked than I already had in mind.
我认错，我是在工作前留下了这条评论，结果下班后看到一群人告诉我我说的有多错误，尬笑。
一般我的评论都被别人无视了，没有人愿意纠正我，但是我很高兴这次我学到了一些新的东西。
二战还是他妈的（残酷）……但比我想象的要稍微好一点。
I stand corrected. I left that comment before work, and got off work to see a bunch of people telling me how wrong I am lol.
Normally my comments are ignored and no one bothers to correct me, but I'm glad I learned something new this time.
WWII is still fucked.... but slightly less fucked than I already had in mind.
我认错，我是在工作前留下了这条评论，结果下班后看到一群人告诉我我说的有多错误，尬笑。
一般我的评论都被别人无视了，没有人愿意纠正我，但是我很高兴这次我学到了一些新的东西。
二战还是他妈的（残酷）……但比我想象的要稍微好一点。
Luke90210
The US had the massive advantage of radar and cracking enemy messages over Imperial Japanese forces. Japan simply had no other choice but to send planes up and look for possible targets.
与日本帝国军队相比，美国在雷达和破解敌人信息方面拥有巨大优势，日本没有其他选择，只能派飞机过去寻找可能存在的目标。
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The US had the massive advantage of radar and cracking enemy messages over Imperial Japanese forces. Japan simply had no other choice but to send planes up and look for possible targets.
与日本帝国军队相比，美国在雷达和破解敌人信息方面拥有巨大优势，日本没有其他选择，只能派飞机过去寻找可能存在的目标。
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RainCityK9
What is with the axis and being doped up on meth for half the war?
Edit: ok to everyone who reads this comment, people below have explained it’s not just the axis, thanks tho.
为什么轴心国的士兵在战争的一半时间里都在吸……（服用兴奋剂）？
后来编辑：好了，各位，下面的人已经解释了服用兴奋剂不仅仅是轴心国在做，谢谢。
What is with the axis and being doped up on meth for half the war?
Edit: ok to everyone who reads this comment, people below have explained it’s not just the axis, thanks tho.
为什么轴心国的士兵在战争的一半时间里都在吸……（服用兴奋剂）？
后来编辑：好了，各位，下面的人已经解释了服用兴奋剂不仅仅是轴心国在做，谢谢。
Voelkar
iirc that drug was used to pump up the soldiers, making them stronger and more lethal. Or that was the plan. Might be wrong but that's what I remember from the documentaries
iirc这种药物被用来给士兵打气，让他们变得更强壮，更致命。反正原来是这样。当然我可能说错了，但我记得这是我从纪录片中看到的
iirc that drug was used to pump up the soldiers, making them stronger and more lethal. Or that was the plan. Might be wrong but that's what I remember from the documentaries
iirc这种药物被用来给士兵打气，让他们变得更强壮，更致命。反正原来是这样。当然我可能说错了，但我记得这是我从纪录片中看到的
Dipicus_Shiticus
It was mostly used to keep them awake for extended periods of time.
When the germans broke through the lines in France Hitler wanted then to keep on pushing but generals on the front lines warned that the troops where exhausted after 3 days of non stop fighting and marching. It was meth that made it possible for them to do that.
Later on the axis where being pushed back along massively stretched lines, meaning that the troops where needed more often and for longer periods. Drugs helps in that regard.
Then again, it wasnt just the axis. Half the boys in vietnam where high as a kite from military provided drugs for example.
它主要用来让士兵保持长时间清醒。
当德国人突破法国防线时，希特勒想继续推进，但前线的将军们警告说，经过三天不停的战斗和行军，军队已经筋疲力尽，是吸DU让他们有能力继续推进下去。
德军沿着巨大的延长线向前推进需要更长的时间，而想要减少时间，这意味着军队需要更多、更频繁的兵力运送，DU品在这方面有帮助。
当然，不仅仅是邪恶轴心，比如，在越南有一半的美国男孩也从军队那里得到了毒品。
It was mostly used to keep them awake for extended periods of time.
When the germans broke through the lines in France Hitler wanted then to keep on pushing but generals on the front lines warned that the troops where exhausted after 3 days of non stop fighting and marching. It was meth that made it possible for them to do that.
Later on the axis where being pushed back along massively stretched lines, meaning that the troops where needed more often and for longer periods. Drugs helps in that regard.
Then again, it wasnt just the axis. Half the boys in vietnam where high as a kite from military provided drugs for example.
它主要用来让士兵保持长时间清醒。
当德国人突破法国防线时，希特勒想继续推进，但前线的将军们警告说，经过三天不停的战斗和行军，军队已经筋疲力尽，是吸DU让他们有能力继续推进下去。
德军沿着巨大的延长线向前推进需要更长的时间，而想要减少时间，这意味着军队需要更多、更频繁的兵力运送，DU品在这方面有帮助。
当然，不仅仅是邪恶轴心，比如，在越南有一半的美国男孩也从军队那里得到了毒品。
dirty_hooker
Still in practice in the US
现在美国也仍在实行
Still in practice in the US
现在美国也仍在实行
namelessuser
I was given Ambien in Afghanistan.
Really sucked if I took it to get some sleep and there was a mortar attack. Sitting in a bunker feeling kinda trippy wearing just boxers and an IBA isn’t an experience I’d like to repeat.
我在阿富汗被注射了兴奋剂。
要是我因为它睡着了那就简直糟透了，因为那里随时有迫击炮落下来。我不想重复IBA的经历，因为穿着平角裤坐在地堡里让我感觉至今还有点迷幻。
I was given Ambien in Afghanistan.
Really sucked if I took it to get some sleep and there was a mortar attack. Sitting in a bunker feeling kinda trippy wearing just boxers and an IBA isn’t an experience I’d like to repeat.
我在阿富汗被注射了兴奋剂。
要是我因为它睡着了那就简直糟透了，因为那里随时有迫击炮落下来。我不想重复IBA的经历，因为穿着平角裤坐在地堡里让我感觉至今还有点迷幻。
disturbing_nickname
That sounds like the perfect cocktail for ptsd and other psychological trauma. Best regards!
听起来像是治疗创伤后应激障碍和其他心理创伤的最佳组合，最好的问候！
That sounds like the perfect cocktail for ptsd and other psychological trauma. Best regards!
听起来像是治疗创伤后应激障碍和其他心理创伤的最佳组合，最好的问候！
Rick_Astley_Sanchez
I’m sorry that happened to you. I’m glad that you’re ok and hopefully home with loved ones now!
我很抱歉这种事发生在你身上，我也很高兴你现在没事了，希望现在你能回家和你爱的人在一起！
I’m sorry that happened to you. I’m glad that you’re ok and hopefully home with loved ones now!
我很抱歉这种事发生在你身上，我也很高兴你现在没事了，希望现在你能回家和你爱的人在一起！
LetsGo
IBA？
namelessuser
Individual ballistic armor. Basically a Kevlar vest with ceramic plates in it.
单兵弹道防弹衣，基本上就是一件陶瓷片制作的凯夫拉尔背心。
IBA？
namelessuser
Individual ballistic armor. Basically a Kevlar vest with ceramic plates in it.
单兵弹道防弹衣，基本上就是一件陶瓷片制作的凯夫拉尔背心。
retroassassin907
Interceptor Multi-Threat Body Armor System
Edit: or just Individual Body Armor
多威胁防弹衣系统
编辑:或者只是个人防弹衣
Interceptor Multi-Threat Body Armor System
Edit: or just Individual Body Armor
多威胁防弹衣系统
编辑:或者只是个人防弹衣
Polonium209
There is a tiny bottle of Tabasco sauce contained in some MREs. (One kind?) In the Iraq novel, The Yellow Birds, soldiers standing watch at night would put it in their eyes to stay awake. Does anyone know if this is a common practice?
听说有一种包含MREs，叫塔巴斯科的小瓶辣酱。(一种？)在伊拉克小说《黄鸟》中，夜里站岗的士兵会把它放在眼睛里保持清醒，有人知道这是一种很常见的做法吗?
There is a tiny bottle of Tabasco sauce contained in some MREs. (One kind?) In the Iraq novel, The Yellow Birds, soldiers standing watch at night would put it in their eyes to stay awake. Does anyone know if this is a common practice?
听说有一种包含MREs，叫塔巴斯科的小瓶辣酱。(一种？)在伊拉克小说《黄鸟》中，夜里站岗的士兵会把它放在眼睛里保持清醒，有人知道这是一种很常见的做法吗?
watchoutacat
mortar attack gave me tbi, i wasnt military but sorry you had to go through that brother
迫击炮袭击也给了我创伤性脑损伤，虽然我不是军人，但是很抱歉你经历了这些，兄弟
mortar attack gave me tbi, i wasnt military but sorry you had to go through that brother
迫击炮袭击也给了我创伤性脑损伤，虽然我不是军人，但是很抱歉你经历了这些，兄弟
Mini_Snuggle
Judging by the energy drink addiction by many former soldiers, most energy drinks are indeed military grade.
从很多退役士兵对能量饮料上瘾的情况来看，大多数能量饮料确实是军用级的（含兴奋剂）
Judging by the energy drink addiction by many former soldiers, most energy drinks are indeed military grade.
从很多退役士兵对能量饮料上瘾的情况来看，大多数能量饮料确实是军用级的（含兴奋剂）
PoorTyranasaur
Military grade means the cheapest material or product that will accomplish the task, it’s typically subpar quality compared to general consumer grade products
军用级意味着用最便宜的材料或产品可以完成任务，它一般都比普通消费产品的质量更低
Military grade means the cheapest material or product that will accomplish the task, it’s typically subpar quality compared to general consumer grade products
军用级意味着用最便宜的材料或产品可以完成任务，它一般都比普通消费产品的质量更低
BabaHaze420
Thats only for sleeping/recovery tho, would be dope if they had military grade coke or something lol.
（你注射的东西）只是用来睡觉或恢复的，如果他们有军用级别的可乐或其他东西，那就是DU品了。
Thats only for sleeping/recovery tho, would be dope if they had military grade coke or something lol.
（你注射的东西）只是用来睡觉或恢复的，如果他们有军用级别的可乐或其他东西，那就是DU品了。
AllowMe-Please
This is what it says further down in the article:
In contrast to the sleeping agents, a go pill refers to a wakefulness-promoting agent used for fatigue management, especially in a military combat-readiness context; this is contrasted with a no-go pill, which is used to promote sleep in support of combat operations. A go pill generally contains one of the following drugs:
Amphetamine (methamphetamine having been used historically, such as during the Second World War), which is a strong psychostimulant drug; no longer approved officially for use by the U.S. Air Force,[2] possibly due to safety concerns brought up in the wake of incidents like the Tarnak Farm incident. Modafinil, a wakefulness-promoting drug (or eugeroic) The U.S. Air Force uses dextroamphetamine as one of its "go pills", given to pilots on long missions to help them remain focused and alx. Conversely, "no-go pills" are used after the mission is completed, to combat the effects of the mission and "go-pills".
And I love how it clarifies that they are no longer "officially" being used by the U.S. Air Force, as though that was in question. It certainly is now!
下面这篇文章是这么说的：
与安眠药不同，go pill指的是一种用于控制疲劳的提神剂，特别是在军事战斗准备中;这与no-go药丸形成对比，no-go药丸用于促进睡眠，以支持作战行动。go pill通常包含以下药物之一:
安非他明(历史上曾使用甲基苯丙胺，如在第二次世界大战期间)，是一种强烈的精神刺激药物;不过可能是由于Tarnak农场事件后出现的安全问题，已经不再被美国空军正式批准使用。美国空军现在将右旋安非他明作为“go pills”之一，给执行长期任务的飞行员服用，来帮助他们保持注意力和警觉。相反，“no-go pills”是在任务完成后使用的药物，用来对抗“go pills”的影响。
我很高兴我能澄清了它们已经不再被美国空军“正式”使用了，过去当然有问题，但现在已经没有了！
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This is what it says further down in the article:
In contrast to the sleeping agents, a go pill refers to a wakefulness-promoting agent used for fatigue management, especially in a military combat-readiness context; this is contrasted with a no-go pill, which is used to promote sleep in support of combat operations. A go pill generally contains one of the following drugs:
Amphetamine (methamphetamine having been used historically, such as during the Second World War), which is a strong psychostimulant drug; no longer approved officially for use by the U.S. Air Force,[2] possibly due to safety concerns brought up in the wake of incidents like the Tarnak Farm incident. Modafinil, a wakefulness-promoting drug (or eugeroic) The U.S. Air Force uses dextroamphetamine as one of its "go pills", given to pilots on long missions to help them remain focused and alx. Conversely, "no-go pills" are used after the mission is completed, to combat the effects of the mission and "go-pills".
And I love how it clarifies that they are no longer "officially" being used by the U.S. Air Force, as though that was in question. It certainly is now!
下面这篇文章是这么说的：
与安眠药不同，go pill指的是一种用于控制疲劳的提神剂，特别是在军事战斗准备中;这与no-go药丸形成对比，no-go药丸用于促进睡眠，以支持作战行动。go pill通常包含以下药物之一:
安非他明(历史上曾使用甲基苯丙胺，如在第二次世界大战期间)，是一种强烈的精神刺激药物;不过可能是由于Tarnak农场事件后出现的安全问题，已经不再被美国空军正式批准使用。美国空军现在将右旋安非他明作为“go pills”之一，给执行长期任务的飞行员服用，来帮助他们保持注意力和警觉。相反，“no-go pills”是在任务完成后使用的药物，用来对抗“go pills”的影响。
我很高兴我能澄清了它们已经不再被美国空军“正式”使用了，过去当然有问题，但现在已经没有了！
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LeoRidesHisBike
The Germans actually found that overall combat performance went down, because the recovery period was longer than the "enhanced" time, and during recovery the drop in performance was worse than the gain from the drugs. ¯\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯
实际上德国人后来发现，军队的整体作战性能下降了，因为恢复时间比“增强”时间更长，而且在恢复期间，士兵身体的下降比从药物中获得的好处更糟糕。
The Germans actually found that overall combat performance went down, because the recovery period was longer than the "enhanced" time, and during recovery the drop in performance was worse than the gain from the drugs. ¯\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯
实际上德国人后来发现，军队的整体作战性能下降了，因为恢复时间比“增强”时间更长，而且在恢复期间，士兵身体的下降比从药物中获得的好处更糟糕。
_Alabama_Man
Unless the initial attack could take enough advantage of the element of surprise/speed to offset that eventual drop in performance and allow a "reset" period.
除非最初的攻击能充分利用“奇袭”的速度优势来制造一场大胜利，然后允许士兵们有一个安全的休息周期。
Unless the initial attack could take enough advantage of the element of surprise/speed to offset that eventual drop in performance and allow a "reset" period.
除非最初的攻击能充分利用“奇袭”的速度优势来制造一场大胜利，然后允许士兵们有一个安全的休息周期。
Toyotomi_Kami
meth trully is effective at those kind of situations
兴奋剂在这种情况下真的很有效
meth trully is effective at those kind of situations
兴奋剂在这种情况下真的很有效
RUNPMT
As opposed to the Allies who were only doped up on 'regular' amphetamine?
（所以现在的美军）就像（二战）那些只服用“普通”安非他命的盟军？
As opposed to the Allies who were only doped up on 'regular' amphetamine?
（所以现在的美军）就像（二战）那些只服用“普通”安非他命的盟军？
Jymzjameson
People all surprised when drugs work lmao.
药物奏效时，所有人都感到惊讶
People all surprised when drugs work lmao.
药物奏效时，所有人都感到惊讶
cleverpseudonym1234
This is the downside to DARE style anti-drug campaigns: They present drugs as something that ruins your life, full stop. They don’t talk about why people start using substances that, yes, are generally addictive and pretty bad for you longterm.
这是DARE式反DU品运动的缺点：他们把DU品描述成毁掉你生活的东西，就这么简单。是的，这些东西通常会让人上瘾，有害你的长期健康，但他们根本没有研究为什么人们开始使用这些DU品的真正原因（治标不治本）
This is the downside to DARE style anti-drug campaigns: They present drugs as something that ruins your life, full stop. They don’t talk about why people start using substances that, yes, are generally addictive and pretty bad for you longterm.
这是DARE式反DU品运动的缺点：他们把DU品描述成毁掉你生活的东西，就这么简单。是的，这些东西通常会让人上瘾，有害你的长期健康，但他们根本没有研究为什么人们开始使用这些DU品的真正原因（治标不治本）
Zorro1rr
I'm glad someone pointed out it wasn't just the Axis on speed.
我很高兴有人指出它不仅仅是轴心国在用……
I'm glad someone pointed out it wasn't just the Axis on speed.
我很高兴有人指出它不仅仅是轴心国在用……
RainCityK9
Oh shit really? Damn, do they not know the effects of meth other than keeping soldiers energized?
狗屎，真的吗？该死，难道他们不知道冰DU除了让士兵精力充沛之外，再没其他作用了吗？
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Oh shit really? Damn, do they not know the effects of meth other than keeping soldiers energized?
狗屎，真的吗？该死，难道他们不知道冰DU除了让士兵精力充沛之外，再没其他作用了吗？
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BigDaddyLongDick
Most of it wasn't exactly crystal meth. Some were more of an adderal which many people use all their life and are relatively fine. ADHD medicine is also an amphetamine, and we give that shit to kids.
其实大部分都不是冰DU，有些是很多人终生都在使用的adderal，效果相对较好。ADHD药物也是一种兴奋剂，但我们可以把它给孩子们使用。
Most of it wasn't exactly crystal meth. Some were more of an adderal which many people use all their life and are relatively fine. ADHD medicine is also an amphetamine, and we give that shit to kids.
其实大部分都不是冰DU，有些是很多人终生都在使用的adderal，效果相对较好。ADHD药物也是一种兴奋剂，但我们可以把它给孩子们使用。
FluffySquirrell
pats you think they'd care?
After world war 1 I believe it was, they discovered that most human beings actually have an instinctual urge to not kill people, and that a lot of soldiers would deliberately fire to miss
Thus was born the modern army, with processes to mentally break down the human brain into a tool designed to be able to dehumanise the enemy and follow orders and kill as needed, to be better
Though it's not like it's a modern invention, armies have been doing that since forever, it's why demonising the enemy and blah is an important part of propaganda
But yeah, there's a reason there's a lot of fucking mental health issues involved with people who've seen combat.. it's because it's bad for the human mind. They do not care. They just want soldiers to do as they're told, to win
Some military are probably nicer than others, I suspect the more defensive minded ones.. ironically I suspect the ones who have forced national conscxtion for 2-3 years are oddly perhaps better off, as far as mental health would go. They know that most of the soldiers are going to be going back into the populace after, so they're incentivised to not fuck them up too much
你觉得他们会在乎吗?
我相信在第一次世界大战后，他们就发现了大多数人实际上有一种不愿去杀人的本能冲动，很多士兵都会故意开空枪，不去打中敌人。
然后现代军队就这样诞生了，它的功能是将人类的大脑从精神上分离成一种杀人工具，让他们能够对敌人失去人性，只听从命令，在必要时进行杀戮。
虽然这不像是现代发明（该发明的东西），但军队一直在这么做，这就是为什么妖魔化敌人是宣传的重要组成部分。
但是，经历过战斗的人会有很多该死的心理健康问题，这是有原因的。因为杀戮对人类的大脑有害，但上位者不在乎，他们只希望士兵们按照命令去做，去替他们赢得胜利。
不过也有些军人的心理可能比其他军人更好，我怀疑是这些人拥有自我防御意识……但讽刺的是，我还怀疑那些被迫服兵役2-3年的人，就心理健康而言，也许是最好的。因为上位者知道这些士兵大部分之后都会回到平民生活中去，所以他们鼓励（军队教官）不要把这些士兵搞得太糟
pats you think they'd care?
After world war 1 I believe it was, they discovered that most human beings actually have an instinctual urge to not kill people, and that a lot of soldiers would deliberately fire to miss
Thus was born the modern army, with processes to mentally break down the human brain into a tool designed to be able to dehumanise the enemy and follow orders and kill as needed, to be better
Though it's not like it's a modern invention, armies have been doing that since forever, it's why demonising the enemy and blah is an important part of propaganda
But yeah, there's a reason there's a lot of fucking mental health issues involved with people who've seen combat.. it's because it's bad for the human mind. They do not care. They just want soldiers to do as they're told, to win
Some military are probably nicer than others, I suspect the more defensive minded ones.. ironically I suspect the ones who have forced national conscxtion for 2-3 years are oddly perhaps better off, as far as mental health would go. They know that most of the soldiers are going to be going back into the populace after, so they're incentivised to not fuck them up too much
你觉得他们会在乎吗?
我相信在第一次世界大战后，他们就发现了大多数人实际上有一种不愿去杀人的本能冲动，很多士兵都会故意开空枪，不去打中敌人。
然后现代军队就这样诞生了，它的功能是将人类的大脑从精神上分离成一种杀人工具，让他们能够对敌人失去人性，只听从命令，在必要时进行杀戮。
虽然这不像是现代发明（该发明的东西），但军队一直在这么做，这就是为什么妖魔化敌人是宣传的重要组成部分。
但是，经历过战斗的人会有很多该死的心理健康问题，这是有原因的。因为杀戮对人类的大脑有害，但上位者不在乎，他们只希望士兵们按照命令去做，去替他们赢得胜利。
不过也有些军人的心理可能比其他军人更好，我怀疑是这些人拥有自我防御意识……但讽刺的是，我还怀疑那些被迫服兵役2-3年的人，就心理健康而言，也许是最好的。因为上位者知道这些士兵大部分之后都会回到平民生活中去，所以他们鼓励（军队教官）不要把这些士兵搞得太糟
FlakingEverything
It's really effective if you need constantly alx soldiers. Even the US still give dextroamphetamine for military pilots on long mission
如果你需要时刻保持警惕的士兵，服用兴奋剂是非常有效的手段，就连美国现在也仍然在给执行长期任务的军事飞行员服用右旋安非他命
It's really effective if you need constantly alx soldiers. Even the US still give dextroamphetamine for military pilots on long mission
如果你需要时刻保持警惕的士兵，服用兴奋剂是非常有效的手段，就连美国现在也仍然在给执行长期任务的军事飞行员服用右旋安非他命
iSheepTouch
Yeah, meth is a great drug to give someone to make them ultra-vigilant and not give a fuck about their life.
是的，冰DU是一种很好的药物，可以让士兵们保持高度警惕，又不关心自己的生命。
Yeah, meth is a great drug to give someone to make them ultra-vigilant and not give a fuck about their life.
是的，冰DU是一种很好的药物，可以让士兵们保持高度警惕，又不关心自己的生命。
benjamin_noah
Wasn’t only the axis. My grandfather flew B-29s in the war and was on one of the teams trained to drop the A-bomb. They’d fly out of the Midwest US and do a mirror of the path to Japan, going towards Greenland instead. The Army (this was before the Air Force) had them take “goof pills” to keep them awake and alx during the long flight. He said they’d all feel great, but no one could sleep for two days. Then it would wear off and they’d feel like they were hit by a bus.
不仅仅是轴心国这么做，我的祖父在战争中驾驶b -29，是训练投掷原子弹的队伍中的一员。他们从美国中西部起飞，飞往格陵兰岛，模仿飞往日本的路线。陆军(在空军之前)让他们服用“goof pills”，让他们在长途飞行中保持清醒和警觉。
他说他们服用药物后都会感觉很好，每个人都能连续两天不睡觉，然后药物效果就会慢慢消失，他们就会觉得自己的身体像是被一辆公共汽车撞过一样难受。
Wasn’t only the axis. My grandfather flew B-29s in the war and was on one of the teams trained to drop the A-bomb. They’d fly out of the Midwest US and do a mirror of the path to Japan, going towards Greenland instead. The Army (this was before the Air Force) had them take “goof pills” to keep them awake and alx during the long flight. He said they’d all feel great, but no one could sleep for two days. Then it would wear off and they’d feel like they were hit by a bus.
不仅仅是轴心国这么做，我的祖父在战争中驾驶b -29，是训练投掷原子弹的队伍中的一员。他们从美国中西部起飞，飞往格陵兰岛，模仿飞往日本的路线。陆军(在空军之前)让他们服用“goof pills”，让他们在长途飞行中保持清醒和警觉。
他说他们服用药物后都会感觉很好，每个人都能连续两天不睡觉，然后药物效果就会慢慢消失，他们就会觉得自己的身体像是被一辆公共汽车撞过一样难受。
RainCityK9
Yeah, someone else in the comments explained that, I had only known that the nazis used it.
呵呵，我看到有人在评论中解释，但我只知道纳粹使用它。
Yeah, someone else in the comments explained that, I had only known that the nazis used it.
呵呵，我看到有人在评论中解释，但我只知道纳粹使用它。
Yardsale420
Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History has a great episode about leaders on drugs. He talks about every thing that Hitler was taking and how his shakes probably weren’t from Parkinson’s, but withdrawals. But then also talked about how much booze Churchill and Stalin drank, how neither would have been considered “functional” today. Sadly, Kennedy was probably the worst, due to his health. He would regularly get shots from Dr Feelgood... yes THAT Dr Feelgood, before he lost his medical license.
丹·卡林的《Hardcore History》中有一段关于毒品领袖的精彩故事。他谈到了希特勒服用的每一种药物，以及他颤抖的原因可能不是帕金森氏症，而是药效减退。
然后书中还谈到丘吉尔和斯大林喝了多少酒，这两个人物在今天怎么也不会被认为是“正常人”。不幸的是，由于健康原因，肯尼迪可能是最糟糕的。他会定期接受Feelgood医生的注射…是的，那个医生在他失去行医执照之前，一直自我感觉良好。
Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History has a great episode about leaders on drugs. He talks about every thing that Hitler was taking and how his shakes probably weren’t from Parkinson’s, but withdrawals. But then also talked about how much booze Churchill and Stalin drank, how neither would have been considered “functional” today. Sadly, Kennedy was probably the worst, due to his health. He would regularly get shots from Dr Feelgood... yes THAT Dr Feelgood, before he lost his medical license.
丹·卡林的《Hardcore History》中有一段关于毒品领袖的精彩故事。他谈到了希特勒服用的每一种药物，以及他颤抖的原因可能不是帕金森氏症，而是药效减退。
然后书中还谈到丘吉尔和斯大林喝了多少酒，这两个人物在今天怎么也不会被认为是“正常人”。不幸的是，由于健康原因，肯尼迪可能是最糟糕的。他会定期接受Feelgood医生的注射…是的，那个医生在他失去行医执照之前，一直自我感觉良好。
Tallpugs
Meth is awesome. That’s why. If you don’t care about long term effects.
冰DU是可怕的DU品，这是事实。当然如果你不关心DU品的长期影响的话，请随意
Meth is awesome. That’s why. If you don’t care about long term effects.
冰DU是可怕的DU品，这是事实。当然如果你不关心DU品的长期影响的话，请随意
No-Height2850
Looking for a supersoldier drug.
尝试制作一种制造超级战士的药物
Looking for a supersoldier drug.
尝试制作一种制造超级战士的药物
Nibleggi
Dude every soldier in every army were hooked up on something.
兄弟，每个军队的每个士兵都有这些东西。
Dude every soldier in every army were hooked up on something.
兄弟，每个军队的每个士兵都有这些东西。
davidhastwo
So were the Allies though.. I have a Vietnam vet buddy that said it was the same during the Vietnam war as well as several other experimental drugs to see if they would be good enhancement drugs.
盟军也一样…我有一个越战老兵朋友，他说在越战期间，DU品就和其他一些试验药物一样，他们都想试试这些药物是不是真的是很好的增强剂。
So were the Allies though.. I have a Vietnam vet buddy that said it was the same during the Vietnam war as well as several other experimental drugs to see if they would be good enhancement drugs.
盟军也一样…我有一个越战老兵朋友，他说在越战期间，DU品就和其他一些试验药物一样，他们都想试试这些药物是不是真的是很好的增强剂。
MorpleBorple
Some of them maybe, but the data presented in the video I referenced showed that German units were only issued about 1 or 2 doses of amphetamine per soldier during the 1940 campeign in france. That means only a small minority of the troops would have used it, given that many doses per user would have been needed over the course of the campeign.
其中一些军队可能是这样，但我引用的视频中的数据显示德国部队在1940年法国战争期间，一个士兵平均只注射了一到两剂安非他命。考虑到在整个战争过程中一个士兵都需要很多剂（远超两剂），这意味着只有一小部分部队会使用它。
Some of them maybe, but the data presented in the video I referenced showed that German units were only issued about 1 or 2 doses of amphetamine per soldier during the 1940 campeign in france. That means only a small minority of the troops would have used it, given that many doses per user would have been needed over the course of the campeign.
其中一些军队可能是这样，但我引用的视频中的数据显示德国部队在1940年法国战争期间，一个士兵平均只注射了一到两剂安非他命。考虑到在整个战争过程中一个士兵都需要很多剂（远超两剂），这意味着只有一小部分部队会使用它。
theradicaltiger
It was absolutely brutal. Way more than I realized when we learned about it in highschool. The US ran a terror bombing campaign in Japan. During Operation Meetinghouse, the US killed 100,000 Japanese civilians in 3 hours with firebombs on a paper city.
战争绝对残酷，比我在高中时知道的更残酷。美国在日本发动了恐怖爆炸袭击（原子弹）。而在Meetinghouse行动中，美国在3小时内用燃烧弹杀死了10万名日本平民。
It was absolutely brutal. Way more than I realized when we learned about it in highschool. The US ran a terror bombing campaign in Japan. During Operation Meetinghouse, the US killed 100,000 Japanese civilians in 3 hours with firebombs on a paper city.
战争绝对残酷，比我在高中时知道的更残酷。美国在日本发动了恐怖爆炸袭击（原子弹）。而在Meetinghouse行动中，美国在3小时内用燃烧弹杀死了10万名日本平民。
surloc_dalnor
Honestly dropping the two nukes on Japan wasn't that bad compared to the various fire bombing campaigns in Germany and Japan.
老实说，向日本投掷两枚核弹，比起德国人和日本人对外进行的各种火力轰炸，并没有那么糟糕。
Honestly dropping the two nukes on Japan wasn't that bad compared to the various fire bombing campaigns in Germany and Japan.
老实说，向日本投掷两枚核弹，比起德国人和日本人对外进行的各种火力轰炸，并没有那么糟糕。
mywrkact
I mean, if you include hindsight, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were probably the events that saved the most lives in human history. MAD doesn't work when nobody's dropped a bomb yet.
我的意思是，如果事后统计的话，广岛和长崎的原子弹爆炸可能是人类历史上拯救最多生命的事件。当没有人再投下炸弹时，MAD（疯狂？）就不起作用了。
I mean, if you include hindsight, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were probably the events that saved the most lives in human history. MAD doesn't work when nobody's dropped a bomb yet.
我的意思是，如果事后统计的话，广岛和长崎的原子弹爆炸可能是人类历史上拯救最多生命的事件。当没有人再投下炸弹时，MAD（疯狂？）就不起作用了。
yafeisextoy
I agree with you very much, this is also for the early arrival of peace, and the most important thing is to greatly reduce casualties
我非常同意你的看法，这（日本原子弹）也是为了早日实现和平，最重要的是要全力减少伤亡
I agree with you very much, this is also for the early arrival of peace, and the most important thing is to greatly reduce casualties
我非常同意你的看法，这（日本原子弹）也是为了早日实现和平，最重要的是要全力减少伤亡
TheShiphoo
The US killed atleast another 100.000 in a terror bombing campaign that only lasted a minute or two.
美国在这场只持续了一两分钟的恐怖爆炸袭击中，就杀死了至少10万人。
The US killed atleast another 100.000 in a terror bombing campaign that only lasted a minute or two.
美国在这场只持续了一两分钟的恐怖爆炸袭击中，就杀死了至少10万人。
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