美国人分享:印象中美国人喜欢频繁搬家,这是否属实?
2021-12-25 yzy86 13871
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Some movies and tv series would have you believe that it's totally normal for Americans to just switch jobs and move from, I don't know, Boston to Seattle and change their lives just like that every couple years or so. And maybe leave their parents behind thousands of miles away and only see them for Christmas if even.
Is that a thing?

有些电影和美剧会让你相信:“美国人每隔两年就会非常爽快地换工作然后从比如说波士顿搬到西雅图乃至改变他们的生活”是完全正常的。也许还会把他们的父母留在几千英里外,只会为了过圣诞节才回来看他们。
这是否是常见情况?

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porkchopespresso
A lot do. My wife and I have moved to several different states before we met and after we married. I assume our kids will roam a bit too when they are grown. Plenty of people also don’t move and grow up in the same state they live their whole life. Both ways of life are common.

很多人都是如此。我和我妻子在认识之前和结婚之后已经搬去过好几个不同的州了。我估计我们的孩子长大后也会去漫游一番。还有很多人是不会搬家的,而且他们会在自己长大的那个州过完一辈子。这两种生活方式都很常见。
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Perdendosi
But where I grew up, there are a TON of people who never leave an general, 50-mile, rural-ish area. Maybe they'll move to the larger nearby town for a job, but never more than an hour or two away. 80 or 90 percent of their family will be within a two-hour drive. That's just the way it is. May parents' families were all like that. My mom's side were farmers so of course you had to stay near the land, but even still most of the family were teachers. They didn't move far. My dad's side were also blue-ish and white-ish (e.g., teachers) collar workers, and they all pretty much stayed in Iowa. The adventurous ones moved to the "big city" (75,000 people) or across the state. You bloomed where you were planted, and that's just how it worked. Other places were for other people. My parents moved out to Salt Lake--the first time they ever lived anywhere other than Iowa or South Dakota (where they went to college), and the first time they ever lived in a city of more than 25,000 people--only because I'm an only child, I moved away, and their parents have all died,

(爱荷华,现居犹他)但在我长大的地方,有太多的人从来没有离开过一片方圆50英里的乡村地区。也许他们会为了某份工作搬到附近更大的城镇,但绝不会超过一两个小时的车程。他们有八九成的家人都在两小时的车程内。这就是实际情况。我父母的家庭都是这样的。我妈那一边是农民,所以你当然要待在离土地很近的地方了,即使如此,大部分家族成员都是教师,而他们也没有搬到很远的地方。我爸那一 边也是蓝领和白领(比如说教师),他们几乎全都待在爱荷华州。有冒险精神的人则搬到了“大城市”(人口7.5万那种),或是跨州。你被种在哪里,就在哪里开花,这就是个中的原理。其他地方是为其他人准备的。我的父母搬离了,他们去了盐湖城,这是他们生平第一次生活在爱荷华州或南达科他州(他们在那里上的大学)以外的地方,也是他们生平第一次生活在一个人口超过2.5万人的城市,而他们这么做完全是因为我是独生子女,而且我搬走了,而他们的父母全都不在世了。

And there are, of course, those people who can't afford to move. Single moms who have to live near their families for child care or to live as a family unit to save on expenses. People stuck with one job that they can't leave because they can't save enough money to even have a few months where they're not working. Many of those folks don't frequent Reddit, I'd guess.

当然了,也有一些人负担不起搬家的开支。单身妈妈为了照顾孩子,不得不住在家人附近,或是为了节省开支而以家庭为单位过活。那些在某份工作中不能自拔的人,他们也没有能力离开,因为他们存不够钱,就他们存的钱都无法支撑自己几个月不工作的开销。我猜,这些人中有很多人都不太上红迪。

And don't let the movies fool you -- there are certainly costs with really big moves, especially if you have children. Uprooting a family takes a toll, often setting kids back academically and socially. So families are hesitant to move frequently, especially when their kids are in school (5-18).

不要让自己被电影愚弄了,真正的大搬家毫无疑问是伴随着各种成本的,如果你有孩子就更是如此了。举家迁离是要付出代价的,经常会耽误孩子的学业和社交。所以很多家庭都会对频繁搬家心生犹豫,如果他们的孩子还在学龄(5-18岁),就更是如此了。

DutchApplePie75
It's true. The average American at least lives in the state where they were born. This is probably less true as you move up the education ladder, where you'll get more people who will prioritize moving across the country for work.

这是真的。普通美国人至少也会住在他们出生的那个州。而如果你在受教育程度方面不断向上攀爬,这可能就不太属实了,你在教育程度很高的群体中,会发现有更多人会优先考虑为了工作在全国范围内迁移。

To give an example: I was born and raised in Minnesota, now live in the Philadelphia area for work. I have a graduate degree from a well-known school. Most of my relatives were born in South Jersey, and they rarely ever leave the town where they live. One of my aunts acts like a town that's about 20 minutes away is on the other side of the world, i.e., "if I had to get my taxes done there, I'd have to drive all the way down to [name of town] and there's no way I'm traveling that far!" This particular relative has a car she bought in 2006 and it has about 40,000 miles on it.

举个例子:我在明尼苏达州出生、长大,现在为了工作住在费城地区。我拥有一所知名院校的研究生学位。我的大多数亲戚都出生在新泽西州南部,而且他们很少离开自己居住的小镇。我有个姑姑,她搞得得好像离这里约20分钟路程的小镇在地球另一边似的,举个例子,“如果必须去那里才能完成纳税,那我就必须一路开车去[镇名]了,想让我去那么远的地方,门儿都没有!”这位亲戚还有辆她2006年买的车,只跑了大约4万英里。

Yeah I'm working on my PhD in physics. I have lived in six states and two countries.
My parents were a cop and a schoolteacher who lived in NJ their entire lives before retiring to Florida like...last year. My brother works in corporate finance and has lived in four states and two countries.
Education and career choice does affect this.

(回)是的,我正在攻读物理学博士学位。我曾在六个州和两个国家生活过。
我的父母是警察和学校教师,他们在新泽西州生活了一辈子,直到去年才退休搬去佛罗里达州生活。我哥哥在企业里干财务,曾在四个州和两个国家生活过。
教育和职业选择确实会在这方面带来影响。

I totally agree with that changing as you move up the education ladder. Because of a mix of school, grad school, and work I moved a decent amount. I'm from Long island, NY. I went to undergrad in NY but 400 miles away, then worked in Nevada, did my masters in Indiana, worked in the upper peninsula of Michigan, moved to Wyoming for my PhD, then moved to Arizona where I currently live and work. I did all that moving between the ages of 18 and 30. I'm in a scientific field and I think only one of my coworkers at my large company is from Arizona originally. When I was in grad school it was similarly uncommon to meet someone in my grad program who was from the state we were actually in.

(回)我完全同意你关于教育程度的说法。出于学校、研究生院和工作方面的综合原因,我搬去过的地方还真不少。我来自纽约长岛。我在纽约州读的本科,但相距有400英里,之后去了内华达州工作,在印第安纳州拿到了硕士学位,在密歇根州上半岛工作,搬到怀俄明州读博士,然后搬到我现在生活和工作的亚利桑那州。我在18岁至30岁之间就完成了以上所有的搬迁。我从事的是科学领域的工作,我记得在我那个大公司里,只有一个同事是亚利桑那州本地人。我在读研究生的时候,在我的研究生项目中也同样很难碰到来自我们原本所属州的人。

where I’m from originally (Midwest) they call it brain drain. Those of us who go to college usually end up leaving, and it’s usually because there are much better paying jobs and more of them elsewhere.

(回)在我的家乡(中西部),他们称这种现象为人才流失。我们这些上过大学的人,到最后往往都会离开,而这通常是因为在其他地方,报酬更高的工作机会更多。

Faroundtripledouble
I’m in my 20’s and have lived in 4 states, but I think that’s more rare. I worked with a lady who had not even left the state in over a decade.

(印第安纳)我二十多岁,已经在四个州生活过了,但我觉得我这种情况是比较罕见的。有位女士是我的工作伙伴,她十多年来从未离开过这个州。

DoctorWatchamacallit
I think a lot of that is generational too. My parents were born and lived most of their lives right near where they grew up, but my brother, cousins and I each lived in at least three states and two countries.
It's a lot more common for younger generations to move like that.

我认为世代因素在其中占了很大一部分。我的父母出生并在他们长大的地方附近生活了大半辈子,但我的兄弟、表兄弟还有我,分别在至少三个州和两个国家生活过。
对年轻世代来说,这样的迁移要常见得多。
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barbaramillicent
I think a lot of people end up moving back after they retire.

我认为很多人在退休后最终会搬回去的。

Meat_Bingo
Depends on the state. Some states like DE and FL have a very high percentage of relocated residents. PA on the other hand is 80% born here raised here.

各州情况不同。有些州,比如德克萨斯州和佛罗里达州,从州外迁来住的居民比例非常高。而另一方面,宾夕法尼亚州有80%的人是在这里出生和长大的。

n_obody1969
I currently live 6.9 miles from my childhood home, and 11 miles from where the hospital I was born used to be. This is the furthest I've ever lived from either.

我目前住在离我儿时的家6.9英里的地方,距离我出生的医院有11英里。而这是我的住处距离这两个地方最远的一次了。
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Draconian_Sanctions
It happens but I think I saw a stat that like 80% of Americans are born and die within a 100 mile radius. That said my dad has lived and worked in 6 states.

这种情况时有发生,但我记得我看到过一个统计数字,好像有80%的美国人,他们的出身和死亡都不会超出方圆100英里的范围。话虽如此,我父亲曾在六个州生活和工作过。

On the east coast 100 miles can get your through 4-5 states.

(回,特拉华)在东海岸,100英里的距离都能贯穿四五个州了。
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Wait until you travel to Europe my guy. You can be in 5 countries in a day if that thrills you!

(回,卢森堡)等你去欧洲旅行就知道了。只要你乐意,在一天内就可以进入五个国家。

It boggles my mind that people in Italy can drive to Germany for a day trip and they don’t even border. No wonder you guys spent millennia trying to murder each other when you’re all so cramped and can’t agree on the proper way to make cheese!

(回,德州)让我困惑的是,意大利人可以开着车去德国一日游,而这两国甚至都不接壤。难怪你们这些家伙把千年的时光都用在自相残杀上了,因为你们全都挤在了一起,而且在制作奶酪的正确方法上也无法达成一致。

gooberfacedKentucky
Not every few years as it's expensive, but a few times over the course of a life?
Sure.

(肯塔基)并不会每隔几年就搬家,花销可是很大的,但在一生中还是会搬个几次的。

I've lived in several states- schooling, jobs, spouses jobs, cultural opportunities, just needing a change- why not?

我在好几个州都生活过,原因包括:求学,工作,配偶的工作,感触文化的机会,单纯想寻求改变。为什么不呢?

IMO everyone needs to live somewhere very different from the town they were born in merely to get a good overview of what life has to offer you. If you stay in one small area your entire life it can limit your world view.
IMO.
Not saying you can't comprehend world issues if you never move or travel, just that travel and meeting many different types of people expands your mind in a positive manner.

在我看来,每个人都需要到和他们的出生地截然不同的地方生活一番,就是为了充分领略生活能带给你的一切。如果你一辈子都待在一个小地方,你的世界观会因此受框限的。
我是这么看的。
我的意思并不是,如果你从不搬家或旅行,你就无法理解世界中的问题,我只是说旅行乃至遇到很多不同类型的人,能以很积极的方式拓展你的思维。
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Yep. We have grown a LOT by moving to different places. People often conflate “things they’re used to” with “things like they like.” But once you get out of your comfort zone, you realize all places have their pros and cons, and challenging can often be rewarding

(回)是的。搬迁到不同的地方会让我们成长良多。人们常会把“他们习惯的东西”与“他们喜欢的东西”混为一谈。可是一旦你走出自己的舒适区,就会意识到所有的地方都有其优缺点,而接受挑战往往都会有回报。

Raving_Lunatic69
We are a very mobile society. I don't know about every two years but we do get around.

(北卡)我们是一个流动性很强的社会。不至于每两年搬一次,但我们确实会四处游走。

oiwotsthis1111
I live about 2000 miles from where I was born. Have moved 3 major times in my 30 years and looking to do another big move soon

(新墨西哥)我住的地方距离我的出生地大约有2000英里。在我三十年的人生中,我已经有过三次大搬家了,希望不久后能再来一次大的。

WashuOtakuNorth Carolina
Across the country... yes.
Frequently... no.

在整个国家内流动:属实
高频搬家:不属实

droim[S]
The thing is, I'm from Europe and even within European countries, which are far smaller and with much more convienent transport lixs than the US, I'd say it's far less common to relocate as frequently and "radically". Like, maybe you move once for college and/or to the nearest major city/capital (especially if you come from somewhere rural) and that's pretty much it. And that goes even in countries where jobs are geographically scattered like e.g. Germany.

问题是,我来自欧洲,即使在欧洲国家内部(而且这些国家比美国小得多,交通也便利得多),我觉得像这样频繁且“彻底”地搬家也是不常见的。比如,你可能会因为上大学或是去离你最近的大城市/首都(特别适用于你来自农村的情况)而搬一次家,也就差不多了。即使在德国这种工作地点很分散的国家也是如此。

Draconian_Sanctions
I think people in the major cities tend to move more often. I lived in Austin for 2 years and I think I met maybe 1 person the whole time who actually grew up there.

我认为大城市里的人往往会更频繁地搬家。我在奥斯汀住过两年,我记得在这整个过程中,真正在那里长大的人我可能只遇到过一个。

There's a joke these days that you can spend ten years in Austin and not meet anybody who's not originally from San Francisco.

(回)最近有一个笑话,说你很有可能在奥斯汀待了十年,碰到的人却无一不是从旧金山过来的人。
(译注:由于近年加州的生活成本剧增,大量加州人选择搬离本州,而德州是热门目的地)

Alberta
Maybe it's purely sample bias, but I've known a hell of alot of Americans in my life, and every one of them has moved somewhere at some point.

(加拿大)也许这纯粹是样本偏差,但我在生活中认识过海量的美国人,而他们所有人都在某个时点上搬过家。

PseudonymIncognito
It used to be more of a thing in the past where an upwardly mobile middle-class person might stay with the same company through their whole career and get transferred through different positions as they climbed the ladder. I myself experienced three parental corporate relocations growing up. Nowadays, people are more likely to hop jobs to move up and paid relocations are less common.

(德州)在过去,一个向上流动的中产阶级可能会在同一家公司度过他的整个职业生涯,并在他们向上爬的过程中被调动到不同的职位上。我自己在成长过程中经历了三次父母亲公司的搬迁。现如今,人们更有可能通过跳槽来获得晋升,而带薪调动则不像从前那么常见了。
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Pryffandis
I just went through my texts of the last 15 friends that I talked to. 11 of them now reside in a different city than they grew up/went to high school in. I also live in a different state from my entire family and see them about twice per year.

(圣路易斯)我刚才翻看了最近与我有过短信交流的15位朋友。他们中有11个人的现居城市与他们长大或上高中的城市不同。我和我的全家也住在不同的州,每年大约见他们两次。

Im_Not_Nick_Fisher
Most people that I personally know who move that often are in the military. And they do move every few years. Although I do know some who have moved quite a bit for work, they generally settle down somewhere and it’s not as often as the military family

(佛罗里达)我私下认识的大部分经常搬家的人都是军队里的人。而且他们确实每隔几年就会搬家。虽然我确实认识一些因为工作原因经常搬家的人,但他们普遍都会在某个地方安定下来,不会像军人家庭那样频繁搬家。

MfeesPennsylvania
My family lives within 50 miles of where we were born. I did move away 2000 Miles for a couple years.
My wife's family is spread all over that map it looks like you shot it with a shotgun.

(宾夕法尼亚)我的家人住在距离我们出生地50英里的范围内。而确实有那么一两年,我搬到了2000英里以外的地方。
我妻子的家人则散居在整张美国地图上,看上去像是被霰弹枪打过一样。

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