网友讨论：美国应该向美国黑人支付赔偿吗？
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Christopher Aeneadas, BS Organizational Behavior & Management, University of San Francisco
I’m willing to entertain it.
All black people first need to get together and agree who is black. We have to know exactly who we are paying.Then they all agree on a per-person number ($). This is Forty acres and a mule with a lot of interest and penalties.Then they all agree that said number settles the books on slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, lynching, systemic racism, and everything else. Forever. Past present and future.
Then they agree that their children and all future generations will be bound by it in a Constitutional Amendment declaring race a social construct and making its future mention by any person or in any media a felony.
We have deconstructed the construct. We will have officially reached a post-racial society.
We pay. It goes away. That’s how legal settlements work.
So go have a conference with your clients. We’ll be waiting. Bring us a number.
I’d really like to get Civil Rights wrapped up before I hit 50 and never think about it again.
I’m really quite serious. This is exactly how I want to handle this.
We’ll fire up the Printing Press at the Treasury Bureau of Printing and Engraving. To hell with inflation. This is a one time deal. We’ll just accept the recession we know will happen when we dump that much cash into the economy all at once.
Can we make this work?
我很乐意接受啊。
首先所有的黑人要聚在一起商定一下，哪些人属黑人，我们总得弄清楚我们付钱给谁吧。
然后列一个人均价格，他们都一致同意，四十英亩地加一头骡子呢（译注：联邦军1865年解放奴隶时所承诺的赔偿），利息和罚款也不少。
然后他们要都同意这个数字解决了奴隶制、种族隔离、吉姆 · 克劳、私刑、系统性种族主义以及其他一切问题。
一次性的解决，包括过去、现在和未来。
然后他们要同意，他们的子孙后代将受到宪法修正案的约束，该修正案宣布种族是一种社会建构，任何人或任何媒体提及种族的未来都是重罪。
我们已经解构了这种建构，于是我们将正式进入一个后种族社会。
我们付钱了，种族主义消失了，多合法解决的方式。
去和你的“客户”们开个会吧，我们等着，给我们一个数字就行。
我真的很希望在我50岁之前终结民权运动，然后再也不去想它了。
我是认真的，这正是我想要的处理方式。
我们开动财政部印钞局的印钞机，很好，让通货膨胀见鬼去吧，这是一次性交易，当我们一次性向经济注入大量现金时，我们必须接受我们所知道的将要发生的经济衰退。
我们能成功吗？
I’m willing to entertain it.
All black people first need to get together and agree who is black. We have to know exactly who we are paying.Then they all agree on a per-person number ($). This is Forty acres and a mule with a lot of interest and penalties.Then they all agree that said number settles the books on slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, lynching, systemic racism, and everything else. Forever. Past present and future.
Then they agree that their children and all future generations will be bound by it in a Constitutional Amendment declaring race a social construct and making its future mention by any person or in any media a felony.
We have deconstructed the construct. We will have officially reached a post-racial society.
We pay. It goes away. That’s how legal settlements work.
So go have a conference with your clients. We’ll be waiting. Bring us a number.
I’d really like to get Civil Rights wrapped up before I hit 50 and never think about it again.
I’m really quite serious. This is exactly how I want to handle this.
We’ll fire up the Printing Press at the Treasury Bureau of Printing and Engraving. To hell with inflation. This is a one time deal. We’ll just accept the recession we know will happen when we dump that much cash into the economy all at once.
Can we make this work?
我很乐意接受啊。
首先所有的黑人要聚在一起商定一下，哪些人属黑人，我们总得弄清楚我们付钱给谁吧。
然后列一个人均价格，他们都一致同意，四十英亩地加一头骡子呢（译注：联邦军1865年解放奴隶时所承诺的赔偿），利息和罚款也不少。
然后他们要都同意这个数字解决了奴隶制、种族隔离、吉姆 · 克劳、私刑、系统性种族主义以及其他一切问题。
一次性的解决，包括过去、现在和未来。
然后他们要同意，他们的子孙后代将受到宪法修正案的约束，该修正案宣布种族是一种社会建构，任何人或任何媒体提及种族的未来都是重罪。
我们已经解构了这种建构，于是我们将正式进入一个后种族社会。
我们付钱了，种族主义消失了，多合法解决的方式。
去和你的“客户”们开个会吧，我们等着，给我们一个数字就行。
我真的很希望在我50岁之前终结民权运动，然后再也不去想它了。
我是认真的，这正是我想要的处理方式。
我们开动财政部印钞局的印钞机，很好，让通货膨胀见鬼去吧，这是一次性交易，当我们一次性向经济注入大量现金时，我们必须接受我们所知道的将要发生的经济衰退。
我们能成功吗？
Dennis Manning, studied at Mineral Area College
I think that’s a wonderful idea. Paying for wrongs done to someone is a noble thing.
So…let’s see about reparations for slavery. Any slaves here? No? It’s just as well…there are no slave owners to pay for those reparations anyway.
Oh, you are affected because three or four generations ago your ancestor was a slave. Okay. Since then, the Civil Rights Act has been passed, as well as a few amendments that made you a citizen with voting rights. Affirmative action helped get you into better schools, and welfare kept you from starving. Yeah, you’ve had some rough times. But there are things in place to help you now. Aren’t those reparations?
What if you are biracial? Do we get to cut your reparation in half? Or better yet, because you are half white/black, you can pay yourself. Wait, that’s not going to work, is it?
Oh, we’ve got a question from the white folks. What? Your family never owned slaves? They all came from Europe AFTER the Civil War? Why should you pay? Hmmm….
Now a statement from a Native American. You never invited any of us here, and we should all leave now? Hmmm….
Man, we’ve not thought this through. We have to answer a lot of questions. We have to make sure that only those whose ancestors contributed to the problem pay. We can only pay to those Black Americans who have proven ties to slavery.
This sure seems like a lot of unnecessary work for something that happened 155 years ago.
What’s that you say? You don’t see why people who haven’t been directly affected by slavery should be given reparations by people who’ve never practiced it? You got a point.
But what about benefits whites have enjoyed? Well, yeah, sure there’s been policy changes, economic downturns, and changes in existing law. So what are you saying? The benefits have dried up?
Sorry, folks. Doesn’t look like there will be any reparations. Trying to figure who gets paid and who does the paying is just too exhausting.
我觉得这是个好主意，为别人受的冤屈付出代价是一件高尚的事情。
那么...让我们来看看奴隶制的赔偿问题。
咱这有奴隶吗？没有吗？这样也好.....反正也没有奴隶主来支付这些赔偿。
哦，因为三四代以前你的祖先是个奴隶，所以你受到了影响是吧，行，从那时起，《民权法案》获得通过，还有一些修正案使你成为拥有投票权的公民，《平权法案》帮助你进入更好的学校，社会福利使你免于忍饥挨饿，是，你经历过一些艰难的时刻，但现在有一些东西可以帮助你，这算不算“赔偿”？
如果你是混血儿呢？我们可以把赔偿金减半吗？或者更妙的是，因为你有一半白人/黑人血统，你自己掏钱给自己，这不就扯平了，等等，这样行不通，对吧？
哦，白人也有问题，什么？你的家族从未拥有过奴隶？他们都来自内战后的欧洲？你想知道为什么要你来掏钱？
嗯.....
现在，又有某位美国原住民站出来发表声明：这种事情你们不问过我们？我们都应该滚犊子还是咋地？
嗯......
伙计，我们还没想清楚。
我们必须回答许多问题，我们必须确保只有那些祖先造成问题的人才会付出代价，我们只能付钱给那些被证明与奴隶制有联系的美国黑人。
对于155年前发生的事情来说，这看起来确实会造成很多不必要麻烦。
你说什么？你不明白为什么那些没有受到奴隶制直接影响的人应该得到那些从未践行过奴隶制的人的赔偿吗？
你说的有道理。
但是白人所享受的福利又如何呢？当然，政策变化、经济衰退和现行法律的变化是有的，那你的意思是？这些福利已经枯竭了？
对不起，各位，看来不会有任何赔偿了，光是弄清楚谁能获到赔款，又由谁来买单，就够累人了。
I think that’s a wonderful idea. Paying for wrongs done to someone is a noble thing.
So…let’s see about reparations for slavery. Any slaves here? No? It’s just as well…there are no slave owners to pay for those reparations anyway.
Oh, you are affected because three or four generations ago your ancestor was a slave. Okay. Since then, the Civil Rights Act has been passed, as well as a few amendments that made you a citizen with voting rights. Affirmative action helped get you into better schools, and welfare kept you from starving. Yeah, you’ve had some rough times. But there are things in place to help you now. Aren’t those reparations?
What if you are biracial? Do we get to cut your reparation in half? Or better yet, because you are half white/black, you can pay yourself. Wait, that’s not going to work, is it?
Oh, we’ve got a question from the white folks. What? Your family never owned slaves? They all came from Europe AFTER the Civil War? Why should you pay? Hmmm….
Now a statement from a Native American. You never invited any of us here, and we should all leave now? Hmmm….
Man, we’ve not thought this through. We have to answer a lot of questions. We have to make sure that only those whose ancestors contributed to the problem pay. We can only pay to those Black Americans who have proven ties to slavery.
This sure seems like a lot of unnecessary work for something that happened 155 years ago.
What’s that you say? You don’t see why people who haven’t been directly affected by slavery should be given reparations by people who’ve never practiced it? You got a point.
But what about benefits whites have enjoyed? Well, yeah, sure there’s been policy changes, economic downturns, and changes in existing law. So what are you saying? The benefits have dried up?
Sorry, folks. Doesn’t look like there will be any reparations. Trying to figure who gets paid and who does the paying is just too exhausting.
我觉得这是个好主意，为别人受的冤屈付出代价是一件高尚的事情。
那么...让我们来看看奴隶制的赔偿问题。
咱这有奴隶吗？没有吗？这样也好.....反正也没有奴隶主来支付这些赔偿。
哦，因为三四代以前你的祖先是个奴隶，所以你受到了影响是吧，行，从那时起，《民权法案》获得通过，还有一些修正案使你成为拥有投票权的公民，《平权法案》帮助你进入更好的学校，社会福利使你免于忍饥挨饿，是，你经历过一些艰难的时刻，但现在有一些东西可以帮助你，这算不算“赔偿”？
如果你是混血儿呢？我们可以把赔偿金减半吗？或者更妙的是，因为你有一半白人/黑人血统，你自己掏钱给自己，这不就扯平了，等等，这样行不通，对吧？
哦，白人也有问题，什么？你的家族从未拥有过奴隶？他们都来自内战后的欧洲？你想知道为什么要你来掏钱？
嗯.....
现在，又有某位美国原住民站出来发表声明：这种事情你们不问过我们？我们都应该滚犊子还是咋地？
嗯......
伙计，我们还没想清楚。
我们必须回答许多问题，我们必须确保只有那些祖先造成问题的人才会付出代价，我们只能付钱给那些被证明与奴隶制有联系的美国黑人。
对于155年前发生的事情来说，这看起来确实会造成很多不必要麻烦。
你说什么？你不明白为什么那些没有受到奴隶制直接影响的人应该得到那些从未践行过奴隶制的人的赔偿吗？
你说的有道理。
但是白人所享受的福利又如何呢？当然，政策变化、经济衰退和现行法律的变化是有的，那你的意思是？这些福利已经枯竭了？
对不起，各位，看来不会有任何赔偿了，光是弄清楚谁能获到赔款，又由谁来买单，就够累人了。
Chris Bast, Truck Driver
You know what? I'm in a good mood today, so I'll offer a compromise.
Yes, the United States should pay reparations to black Americans.
But in exchange, we end all race-based government programs.
So, Affirmative Action? Gone. Abolished forever.
Race-based quotas designed to encourage “diversity” in the workplace and in higher education? Over.
Government scholarships specifically targeted at minorities? Gone.
Government programs to encourage black home ownership or black entrepreneurship? Gone.
Every single thing the government does to promote the interests of black Americans ends overnight. Black Americans are now playing by the exact same rules as white Americans.
Sound like a plan?
你知道吗，我今天心情很好，所以我提出一个折衷方案。
是的，美国应该向美国黑人支付赔款。
但作为交换，我们终止所有基于种族的政府项目。
平权法案? 没有了，永远消失了。
旨在鼓励工作场所和高等教育”多样化”的基于种族的配额？没有了。
专门针对少数民族的政府奖学金？没有了。
政府鼓励黑人拥有住房或黑人企业家精神的计划? 没有了。
政府为促进美国黑人利益所做的每一件事都在一夜之间结束了，现在，美国黑人和美国白人规则完全一样。
这“计划”听起来怎样？
原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
You know what? I'm in a good mood today, so I'll offer a compromise.
Yes, the United States should pay reparations to black Americans.
But in exchange, we end all race-based government programs.
So, Affirmative Action? Gone. Abolished forever.
Race-based quotas designed to encourage “diversity” in the workplace and in higher education? Over.
Government scholarships specifically targeted at minorities? Gone.
Government programs to encourage black home ownership or black entrepreneurship? Gone.
Every single thing the government does to promote the interests of black Americans ends overnight. Black Americans are now playing by the exact same rules as white Americans.
Sound like a plan?
你知道吗，我今天心情很好，所以我提出一个折衷方案。
是的，美国应该向美国黑人支付赔款。
但作为交换，我们终止所有基于种族的政府项目。
平权法案? 没有了，永远消失了。
旨在鼓励工作场所和高等教育”多样化”的基于种族的配额？没有了。
专门针对少数民族的政府奖学金？没有了。
政府鼓励黑人拥有住房或黑人企业家精神的计划? 没有了。
政府为促进美国黑人利益所做的每一件事都在一夜之间结束了，现在，美国黑人和美国白人规则完全一样。
这“计划”听起来怎样？
原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
Supermodelsonya, Did you ever noticed that raceists can't spelle?.....:D
If not now, then when?
“This country was formed for the white, not for the black man,” “And looking upon African slavery from the same standpoint held by those noble frxrs of our Constitution, I for one have ever considered it one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us) that God ever bestowed upon a favored nation.”— John Wilkes Booth before assassinating Lincoln
I lose patience with arguments that state that because someone else did something, that others aren’t responsible for their actions and decisions but let’s clarify.
White people are not responsible for their ancestors. However we have to face the legacy of what they did and what they left behind. Everyone must do that.
So, because slavery existed somewhere else, if they aren’t acknowledging their past, why should I? I think that’s ludicrous and illogical.
如果不是现在，更待何时？
“这个国家是为白人而建立的，不是为黑人而建立的”
“如何看待非洲奴隶，我和制定我们宪法的那些高尚的人持同样的观点，就我个人而言，这是上帝赐予一个受恩惠国家的最大的祝福之一（包括他们自己和我们） ”——刺杀林肯之前的约翰·威尔克斯·布斯
我对这样的论调失去了耐心 :
即因为某人做了某件事，别人就不需要对他们的行为和决定负责，具体来说就是：
白人对他们的祖先（的过错）不责有责任，然而，我们必须面对他们的所作所为和他们留下的遗产，每个人都必须面对。
“奴隶制也存在于其他地方，如果他们不承认他们的过去，我为什么要承认呢？”
—— 我认为这是可笑的，也是不合逻辑的。
If not now, then when?
“This country was formed for the white, not for the black man,” “And looking upon African slavery from the same standpoint held by those noble frxrs of our Constitution, I for one have ever considered it one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us) that God ever bestowed upon a favored nation.”— John Wilkes Booth before assassinating Lincoln
I lose patience with arguments that state that because someone else did something, that others aren’t responsible for their actions and decisions but let’s clarify.
White people are not responsible for their ancestors. However we have to face the legacy of what they did and what they left behind. Everyone must do that.
So, because slavery existed somewhere else, if they aren’t acknowledging their past, why should I? I think that’s ludicrous and illogical.
如果不是现在，更待何时？
“这个国家是为白人而建立的，不是为黑人而建立的”
“如何看待非洲奴隶，我和制定我们宪法的那些高尚的人持同样的观点，就我个人而言，这是上帝赐予一个受恩惠国家的最大的祝福之一（包括他们自己和我们） ”——刺杀林肯之前的约翰·威尔克斯·布斯
我对这样的论调失去了耐心 :
即因为某人做了某件事，别人就不需要对他们的行为和决定负责，具体来说就是：
白人对他们的祖先（的过错）不责有责任，然而，我们必须面对他们的所作所为和他们留下的遗产，每个人都必须面对。
“奴隶制也存在于其他地方，如果他们不承认他们的过去，我为什么要承认呢？”
—— 我认为这是可笑的，也是不合逻辑的。
Idea #1: NO SLAVES ALIVE
I also lose patience with the argument that since there are “no slaves alive from that era” then we shouldn’t pay reparations and punish a generation of people who had nothing to do with slavery.
First, reparations aren’t punitive. They are simply righting a wrong. It’s not like a summary judgement. It’s taking a stand and saying, “This was wrong.”
Do you know what the past generations thought about slavery and reparations? They didn’t. They simply didn’t even want to bring it up nor talk about it. How could African Americans get reparations right after the Civil War for them being slaves, when slaveholders were more focused on themselves getting some sort of reparations for themselves? They were more upset over their loss of property. Black people would often sue in court for things that they were not given relief for because they were….BLACK. DUH!
If not now, then when?
So when could Black people expect some sort of justice?
The people who were the victims of the Rosewood Massacre didn’t see justice until the 90s because the judicial system was so incredibly racist. They didn’t win based on the fact that it was the right thing to do, because the Republican legislature felt that taxpayers were being “punished” for something they had nothing to do with, despite the fact that previous legislative bodies were still incredibly racist and there was no way for them to get relief.
How did the Rosewood Massacre victims get a settlement? They had to focus on ‘PROPERTY LOSS’ and that was all. Then they were granted a settlement.
Reparations sends a powerful message to African Americans and the rest of the country that what happened to us had a real effect on our lives. The fact that we were enslaved for hundreds of years without no real future in this country. Then to face so much hardship with racism, discrimination, extrajudicial violence, and crushing poverty along with having to put on this face of being “true blue Americans”, against Communism and fighting in the military for Uncle Sam.
If not now, then when?
What would be justice? What should we do for these descendants that still face discrimination, racism, bigotry, bias, and prejudice today? Ignore it? Move on? I don’t know what it’s like to be a slave, so what do I need reparations for?
想法一：已经没有活着的奴隶了
我也对这样的论调失去了耐心：
既然“那个时代的奴隶没有哪个还活着”，那么我们就不应该支付赔款，不应该惩罚与奴隶制毫无关系的一代人。
首先，赔款不是惩罚性的，他们只是在纠正错误，这不是某种简单的判断题，而是表明立场，告诉世人“这是错误的。”
你知道过去几代人对奴隶制和赔偿的看法吗？
他们没看法，他们压根不想提起这件事，也不想谈论这件事。
南北内战结束后，当奴隶主们更关注于为自己获得某种形式的赔款时，非裔美国人怎么可能马上就因为他们是奴隶而获得赔款？他们因失去“财产”而更加不满，黑人经常在法庭上起诉，因为他们没有得到救济，因为他们是....黑人
如果不是现在，那是什么时候？
那么黑人什么时候才能等到某种正义呢？
罗斯伍德大屠杀的受害者们直到90年代才看到正义因为司法系统是如此令人难以置信的种族主义，受害者之所以没有赢，是因为他们认为这是正确的做法，因为共和党立法机构认为纳税人正在因为与他们无关的事情而受到“惩罚”，尽管事实上之前的立法机构也是同样令人难以置信的种族主义，他们也同样没有办法得到救济。
罗斯伍德大屠杀的受害者是如何获得赔偿的？司法系统不得不关注 "财产损失"，这就是全部，仅此而已，然后他们得到了一个和解方案。
赔款向非裔美国人和美国其他地方传达出一个强有力的信息：
发生在我们身上的事情对我们的生活产生了真正的影响，我们被奴役了几百年，在这个国家没有真正的未来，然后面对种族主义、歧视、法外暴力和极度贫困的种种艰难困苦，同时不得不戴上“Blue Americans ”的面具，反对共产主义，在军中为山姆大叔作战。
如果不是现在，那是什么时候？
什么是正义？我们应该为这些仍然面临歧视、种族主义、偏见、偏执的后代做些什么呢？忽视它？向前看？我不知道当奴隶是什么感觉，那我需要赔偿什么呢？
I also lose patience with the argument that since there are “no slaves alive from that era” then we shouldn’t pay reparations and punish a generation of people who had nothing to do with slavery.
First, reparations aren’t punitive. They are simply righting a wrong. It’s not like a summary judgement. It’s taking a stand and saying, “This was wrong.”
Do you know what the past generations thought about slavery and reparations? They didn’t. They simply didn’t even want to bring it up nor talk about it. How could African Americans get reparations right after the Civil War for them being slaves, when slaveholders were more focused on themselves getting some sort of reparations for themselves? They were more upset over their loss of property. Black people would often sue in court for things that they were not given relief for because they were….BLACK. DUH!
If not now, then when?
So when could Black people expect some sort of justice?
The people who were the victims of the Rosewood Massacre didn’t see justice until the 90s because the judicial system was so incredibly racist. They didn’t win based on the fact that it was the right thing to do, because the Republican legislature felt that taxpayers were being “punished” for something they had nothing to do with, despite the fact that previous legislative bodies were still incredibly racist and there was no way for them to get relief.
How did the Rosewood Massacre victims get a settlement? They had to focus on ‘PROPERTY LOSS’ and that was all. Then they were granted a settlement.
Reparations sends a powerful message to African Americans and the rest of the country that what happened to us had a real effect on our lives. The fact that we were enslaved for hundreds of years without no real future in this country. Then to face so much hardship with racism, discrimination, extrajudicial violence, and crushing poverty along with having to put on this face of being “true blue Americans”, against Communism and fighting in the military for Uncle Sam.
If not now, then when?
What would be justice? What should we do for these descendants that still face discrimination, racism, bigotry, bias, and prejudice today? Ignore it? Move on? I don’t know what it’s like to be a slave, so what do I need reparations for?
想法一：已经没有活着的奴隶了
我也对这样的论调失去了耐心：
既然“那个时代的奴隶没有哪个还活着”，那么我们就不应该支付赔款，不应该惩罚与奴隶制毫无关系的一代人。
首先，赔款不是惩罚性的，他们只是在纠正错误，这不是某种简单的判断题，而是表明立场，告诉世人“这是错误的。”
你知道过去几代人对奴隶制和赔偿的看法吗？
他们没看法，他们压根不想提起这件事，也不想谈论这件事。
南北内战结束后，当奴隶主们更关注于为自己获得某种形式的赔款时，非裔美国人怎么可能马上就因为他们是奴隶而获得赔款？他们因失去“财产”而更加不满，黑人经常在法庭上起诉，因为他们没有得到救济，因为他们是....黑人
如果不是现在，那是什么时候？
那么黑人什么时候才能等到某种正义呢？
罗斯伍德大屠杀的受害者们直到90年代才看到正义因为司法系统是如此令人难以置信的种族主义，受害者之所以没有赢，是因为他们认为这是正确的做法，因为共和党立法机构认为纳税人正在因为与他们无关的事情而受到“惩罚”，尽管事实上之前的立法机构也是同样令人难以置信的种族主义，他们也同样没有办法得到救济。
罗斯伍德大屠杀的受害者是如何获得赔偿的？司法系统不得不关注 "财产损失"，这就是全部，仅此而已，然后他们得到了一个和解方案。
赔款向非裔美国人和美国其他地方传达出一个强有力的信息：
发生在我们身上的事情对我们的生活产生了真正的影响，我们被奴役了几百年，在这个国家没有真正的未来，然后面对种族主义、歧视、法外暴力和极度贫困的种种艰难困苦，同时不得不戴上“Blue Americans ”的面具，反对共产主义，在军中为山姆大叔作战。
如果不是现在，那是什么时候？
什么是正义？我们应该为这些仍然面临歧视、种族主义、偏见、偏执的后代做些什么呢？忽视它？向前看？我不知道当奴隶是什么感觉，那我需要赔偿什么呢？
Idea #2: SLAVERY ENDED AFTER THE CIVIL WAR
A quick story …
My father was a sharecropper. He had to drop out of school in the 3rd grade so that EVERYONE in the family could work to get the crops out of the ground and on the tables of American families. They barely had time to work their own fields to grow their own foods. Due to this “peonage slavery”, many blacks had to work these long, hard hours as sharecroppers. Those who refused to work under the unfair, one sided BS agreements that whites had, were arrested and sent to jail.
He left school, dying at 50 before he could get the chance to teach himself to read. I could read at the age of two and I tried to help as much as I could. This is a society where he had to step off the sidewalk for 12 year old white BOYS. My father couldn’t take it anymore and literally escaped from the South to the North. IT was a tough decision to leave them behind. He was equally responsible for helping with the crops so he took a risk and gambled everything.
Everything.
Leaving them behind was the hardest thing he had to do but he couldn’t risk getting lynched. Not with my dad’s attitude. He wasn’t for that subservient stuff. He would have been killed. So he left them behind and came to Chicago where things were a bit better.
African Americans still faced slavery after slavery. They were repeatedly robbed blind by white land owners who had no interest in actually being fair to these people who some had been on the same lands since the end of slavery. Many blacks snuck away in the night because they were fleeing away from the South. Since they were “contracted” to work in these inhumane conditions, living in shacks that Scotch tape and some rusted nails were holding up.
All of you stating that slavery ended 150 years ago, well you just have no clue what you’re talking about. Blacks have been living in slavery like conditions for years. Many blacks were sharecroppers in the late 60s, still on the same lands that their ancestors had worked. In the same conditions. Peonage, another system of slavery didn’t end until 1940. During this time, when did the court system become fair towards blacks? When could they have gotten a fair judgement from White America, with whom most believed that they had “too many rights as it is”?
Don’t understand yet?
Let me make it easy for you. When the formerly enslaved blacks were still alive, they wouldn’t have received justice in the first place.
想法二：奴隶制在内战后就结束了
一个简短的故事....
我父亲是个佃农，他不得不在三年级时辍学，这样家里的每个人都可以工作，去地里种出庄稼来，放在美国家庭的餐桌上，他们几乎没有时间在自己的土地上种植自己的食物，由于这种 "奴役性奴隶制"，许多黑人不得不像佃农那样长时间辛苦地工作，那些拒绝在不公平的、单方面的狗屁协议下为白人工作的人，被逮捕并送进监狱。
他离开了学校，也没有机会自学，50岁的时候就去世了，我两岁的时候就能阅读了，我尽我所能帮助他们，在这个社会里，他不得不为12岁的白人男孩让路，我父亲再也受不了了，从南方逃到了北方，逃离是一个艰难的决定，他也负责帮助其它佃农，所以他冒险赌上了一切。
一切。
逃离是他必须做的最艰难的事情，但他不能冒着被私刑处死的风险，他不是那种卑躬屈膝的人，他会被杀死，他逃离之后来到了芝加哥，在那里的情况有所好转。
在奴隶制度废除后，非裔美国人仍然面临着奴隶制。他们屡次遭到白人土地所有者的抢劫，他们对这些自奴隶制结束以来一直生活在同一片土地上的人毫无公平的兴趣，许多黑人在夜里偷偷溜走，因为他们正在逃离南方，因为他们受雇在这种不人道的条件下工作，住在用胶带和锈钉撑起来的棚屋里。
你们所有人都说，奴隶制早已经在150年前就结束了，你们根本不知道你们在说什么。
黑人多年来一直生活在类似奴隶制的条件下，60年代后期，许多黑人仍然是佃农，他们的祖先曾在同一块土地上工作，在同样的条件下，另一种奴隶制度，“Peonage”（注：意为当奴工偿债）直到1940年才结束，在此期间，法院系统对黑人什么时候公平了？他们什么时候能从美国白人那里得到公平的判决？他们大多数人认为自己拥有“太多的权利”吗？
还不明白吗？
让我来帮你吧，当被奴役的黑人还活着的时候，他们根本就得不到正义。
A quick story …
My father was a sharecropper. He had to drop out of school in the 3rd grade so that EVERYONE in the family could work to get the crops out of the ground and on the tables of American families. They barely had time to work their own fields to grow their own foods. Due to this “peonage slavery”, many blacks had to work these long, hard hours as sharecroppers. Those who refused to work under the unfair, one sided BS agreements that whites had, were arrested and sent to jail.
He left school, dying at 50 before he could get the chance to teach himself to read. I could read at the age of two and I tried to help as much as I could. This is a society where he had to step off the sidewalk for 12 year old white BOYS. My father couldn’t take it anymore and literally escaped from the South to the North. IT was a tough decision to leave them behind. He was equally responsible for helping with the crops so he took a risk and gambled everything.
Everything.
Leaving them behind was the hardest thing he had to do but he couldn’t risk getting lynched. Not with my dad’s attitude. He wasn’t for that subservient stuff. He would have been killed. So he left them behind and came to Chicago where things were a bit better.
African Americans still faced slavery after slavery. They were repeatedly robbed blind by white land owners who had no interest in actually being fair to these people who some had been on the same lands since the end of slavery. Many blacks snuck away in the night because they were fleeing away from the South. Since they were “contracted” to work in these inhumane conditions, living in shacks that Scotch tape and some rusted nails were holding up.
All of you stating that slavery ended 150 years ago, well you just have no clue what you’re talking about. Blacks have been living in slavery like conditions for years. Many blacks were sharecroppers in the late 60s, still on the same lands that their ancestors had worked. In the same conditions. Peonage, another system of slavery didn’t end until 1940. During this time, when did the court system become fair towards blacks? When could they have gotten a fair judgement from White America, with whom most believed that they had “too many rights as it is”?
Don’t understand yet?
Let me make it easy for you. When the formerly enslaved blacks were still alive, they wouldn’t have received justice in the first place.
想法二：奴隶制在内战后就结束了
一个简短的故事....
我父亲是个佃农，他不得不在三年级时辍学，这样家里的每个人都可以工作，去地里种出庄稼来，放在美国家庭的餐桌上，他们几乎没有时间在自己的土地上种植自己的食物，由于这种 "奴役性奴隶制"，许多黑人不得不像佃农那样长时间辛苦地工作，那些拒绝在不公平的、单方面的狗屁协议下为白人工作的人，被逮捕并送进监狱。
他离开了学校，也没有机会自学，50岁的时候就去世了，我两岁的时候就能阅读了，我尽我所能帮助他们，在这个社会里，他不得不为12岁的白人男孩让路，我父亲再也受不了了，从南方逃到了北方，逃离是一个艰难的决定，他也负责帮助其它佃农，所以他冒险赌上了一切。
一切。
逃离是他必须做的最艰难的事情，但他不能冒着被私刑处死的风险，他不是那种卑躬屈膝的人，他会被杀死，他逃离之后来到了芝加哥，在那里的情况有所好转。
在奴隶制度废除后，非裔美国人仍然面临着奴隶制。他们屡次遭到白人土地所有者的抢劫，他们对这些自奴隶制结束以来一直生活在同一片土地上的人毫无公平的兴趣，许多黑人在夜里偷偷溜走，因为他们正在逃离南方，因为他们受雇在这种不人道的条件下工作，住在用胶带和锈钉撑起来的棚屋里。
你们所有人都说，奴隶制早已经在150年前就结束了，你们根本不知道你们在说什么。
黑人多年来一直生活在类似奴隶制的条件下，60年代后期，许多黑人仍然是佃农，他们的祖先曾在同一块土地上工作，在同样的条件下，另一种奴隶制度，“Peonage”（注：意为当奴工偿债）直到1940年才结束，在此期间，法院系统对黑人什么时候公平了？他们什么时候能从美国白人那里得到公平的判决？他们大多数人认为自己拥有“太多的权利”吗？
还不明白吗？
让我来帮你吧，当被奴役的黑人还活着的时候，他们根本就得不到正义。
Idea #3: The Island
When many of you talk about reparations, you do so in a very interesting way that is very telling. Very telling, indeed.
“I’m half white, so should I have to pay?”
“My family fought for the unx, should I have to pay?”
“Should white people all have to open their wallets to pay black people?”
Do you know what this tells me? That you somehow see black people as separate entities from yourselves. In your mind, black people live on an island away from you so if there were reparations tomorrow, you see it as WHITE PEOPLE GIVING BLACK PEOPLE SOMETHING.
This infers that America and everything that comes with it and that Black people are asking for something that doesn’t belong to them.
I’m America too.
White people aren’t the only ones that pay taxes, you know. If someone pays Blacks reparations, that tax money would come from other black people.
Here’s a novel idea….if there were reparations, they would come from everyone. Not just white people. That also gets rid of this whole “punitive” aspect so many people feel. It’s not, “I’m punishing you for something your ancestors did.” It’s making something that was wrong, right.
Reparations should be tuition assistance, jobs programs, etc. Something along that nature instead of a check or monetary compensation. I’m sure most people would agree with me.
No matter how much so many of you want Black Americans to “get over it”, you can’t escape the fact that slavery made us the richest country in the world. It made many fortunes of people whose descendants are still here. There are companies and corporations still here today that benefitted from slavery. For a country that takes such pride in its history and accomplishments, I find it curious why you want to slip this one under the rug.
想法三: “岛屿”
当你们中许多人谈论赔偿时，你们是以一种非常有趣的方式谈论的，这很能说明问题，真的。
“我有一半白人血统，我应该付钱吗?”
“我的家人为联邦而战，我应该付出代价吗?”
“难道所有白人都应该掏腰包付钱给黑人?”
你知道这说明了什么吗? 你把黑人和你自己分开看待，在你看来，黑人住在一个远离你的小岛上，所以如果哪天真赔款，你会认为是白人给予了黑人一些东西。
这暗示着美国及其伴随而来的一切，以及黑人正在要求一些不属于他们的东西。
我也是美国人，白人并不是唯一纳税的人，如果有人支付黑人的赔款，那么税款也来自其他黑人。
这是一个新奇的想法....
如果要赔款的话，每个人都得掏钱，不仅仅是白人，这也就减少了很多人感到的整个“惩罚性”的方面，这不是"我在为你的祖先所做的事情惩罚你"，而是纠正错误的事情，使其变成正确。
赔偿应该是学费援助、就业项目等等，是这种性质的东西，而不是支票或金钱补偿什么的，我相信大多数人都会同意我的观点。
无论你们中有多少人希望美国黑人“克服它”，你们都无法逃避这样一个事实：
奴隶制使我们成为世界上最富有的国家，它为后代仍在这里的人们创造了许多财富，今天仍有许多公司和公司受益于奴隶制，作为一个以自己的历史和成就为骄傲的国家，我很好奇为什么你想把这个问题掩盖起来。
When many of you talk about reparations, you do so in a very interesting way that is very telling. Very telling, indeed.
“I’m half white, so should I have to pay?”
“My family fought for the unx, should I have to pay?”
“Should white people all have to open their wallets to pay black people?”
Do you know what this tells me? That you somehow see black people as separate entities from yourselves. In your mind, black people live on an island away from you so if there were reparations tomorrow, you see it as WHITE PEOPLE GIVING BLACK PEOPLE SOMETHING.
This infers that America and everything that comes with it and that Black people are asking for something that doesn’t belong to them.
I’m America too.
White people aren’t the only ones that pay taxes, you know. If someone pays Blacks reparations, that tax money would come from other black people.
Here’s a novel idea….if there were reparations, they would come from everyone. Not just white people. That also gets rid of this whole “punitive” aspect so many people feel. It’s not, “I’m punishing you for something your ancestors did.” It’s making something that was wrong, right.
Reparations should be tuition assistance, jobs programs, etc. Something along that nature instead of a check or monetary compensation. I’m sure most people would agree with me.
No matter how much so many of you want Black Americans to “get over it”, you can’t escape the fact that slavery made us the richest country in the world. It made many fortunes of people whose descendants are still here. There are companies and corporations still here today that benefitted from slavery. For a country that takes such pride in its history and accomplishments, I find it curious why you want to slip this one under the rug.
想法三: “岛屿”
当你们中许多人谈论赔偿时，你们是以一种非常有趣的方式谈论的，这很能说明问题，真的。
“我有一半白人血统，我应该付钱吗?”
“我的家人为联邦而战，我应该付出代价吗?”
“难道所有白人都应该掏腰包付钱给黑人?”
你知道这说明了什么吗? 你把黑人和你自己分开看待，在你看来，黑人住在一个远离你的小岛上，所以如果哪天真赔款，你会认为是白人给予了黑人一些东西。
这暗示着美国及其伴随而来的一切，以及黑人正在要求一些不属于他们的东西。
我也是美国人，白人并不是唯一纳税的人，如果有人支付黑人的赔款，那么税款也来自其他黑人。
这是一个新奇的想法....
如果要赔款的话，每个人都得掏钱，不仅仅是白人，这也就减少了很多人感到的整个“惩罚性”的方面，这不是"我在为你的祖先所做的事情惩罚你"，而是纠正错误的事情，使其变成正确。
赔偿应该是学费援助、就业项目等等，是这种性质的东西，而不是支票或金钱补偿什么的，我相信大多数人都会同意我的观点。
无论你们中有多少人希望美国黑人“克服它”，你们都无法逃避这样一个事实：
奴隶制使我们成为世界上最富有的国家，它为后代仍在这里的人们创造了许多财富，今天仍有许多公司和公司受益于奴隶制，作为一个以自己的历史和成就为骄傲的国家，我很好奇为什么你想把这个问题掩盖起来。
idea #4 Bad things happen to everyone
Yes, they do. So what does that have to do with this conversation?
History Note—- There were 24,000 acres of black owned land that was stolen from blacks through either deceit or just straight up…terror. They forced them from the land by threats and intimidation. For a country that believes so much in property rights, you can’t be okay with this. You can’t be okay with people not being compensated for land that was lawfully theirs. Right?
You can’t be okay with millions of blacks being owned actual salaries? Imagine going to work and your boss tells you, “Hey you owe me $1000.” This is the stuff that black people were going through. Now because I owe this money, guess what? I can’t go anywhere. I have to stay and work this off. This continued every single year for blacks. They could never get ahead. This is why I laugh at some of you ignorant people who claim blacks have had SOOOOO MUCH TIME TO GET AHEAD! WHY DON’T WE JUST RAISE OURSELVES OUT OF POVERTY?
Smh….
You can’t be okay with millions of blacks fighting in the war but never actually benefitting from the GI Bill, where so many of YOUR GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS became home owners for the first time. This builds wealth and yet the GI Bill didn’t do anything for black people because it didn’t apply to us.
Imagine what could have happened if these blacks were able to actually cash in on the American Dream? More like the American Nightmare. They were not allowed to even utilize this bill and were forced into segregated housing where many of them…… still live today.
Even those blacks who were able to purchase homes. Where would they live? Many of them were forced to live in poor black neighborhoods because guess what? No one would SELL them homes in better neighborhoods. Even those who would, they would have to face race riots just to get through the damn door or have bricks thrown in their windows.
Look at how redlining forced blacks, even those who could afford homes in ghettos basically next to poor blacks. Many affluent blacks are still more likely to live near or even in economically depressed neighborhoods because of the effective segregation that goes on till this day.
想法四: 每个人都会遭遇不幸
是，确实如此，但这与我们讨论的话题有什么关系呢？
Yes, they do. So what does that have to do with this conversation?
History Note—- There were 24,000 acres of black owned land that was stolen from blacks through either deceit or just straight up…terror. They forced them from the land by threats and intimidation. For a country that believes so much in property rights, you can’t be okay with this. You can’t be okay with people not being compensated for land that was lawfully theirs. Right?
You can’t be okay with millions of blacks being owned actual salaries? Imagine going to work and your boss tells you, “Hey you owe me $1000.” This is the stuff that black people were going through. Now because I owe this money, guess what? I can’t go anywhere. I have to stay and work this off. This continued every single year for blacks. They could never get ahead. This is why I laugh at some of you ignorant people who claim blacks have had SOOOOO MUCH TIME TO GET AHEAD! WHY DON’T WE JUST RAISE OURSELVES OUT OF POVERTY?
Smh….
You can’t be okay with millions of blacks fighting in the war but never actually benefitting from the GI Bill, where so many of YOUR GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS became home owners for the first time. This builds wealth and yet the GI Bill didn’t do anything for black people because it didn’t apply to us.
Imagine what could have happened if these blacks were able to actually cash in on the American Dream? More like the American Nightmare. They were not allowed to even utilize this bill and were forced into segregated housing where many of them…… still live today.
Even those blacks who were able to purchase homes. Where would they live? Many of them were forced to live in poor black neighborhoods because guess what? No one would SELL them homes in better neighborhoods. Even those who would, they would have to face race riots just to get through the damn door or have bricks thrown in their windows.
Look at how redlining forced blacks, even those who could afford homes in ghettos basically next to poor blacks. Many affluent blacks are still more likely to live near or even in economically depressed neighborhoods because of the effective segregation that goes on till this day.
想法四: 每个人都会遭遇不幸
是，确实如此，但这与我们讨论的话题有什么关系呢？
历史记录ーー有24000英亩黑人拥有的土地是通过欺骗或直接的恐怖行径从黑人那里偷来的，他们通过威胁和恐吓迫使黑人离开土地，对于一个如此笃信财产权利的国家，你很难接受这样的事实，你不能容忍人们因合法的土地而得不到补偿，对吧？
那么你能不能接受数百万黑人没有实际获得过工资？想象一下，你去上班，你老板告诉你，“嘿，你欠我1000美元”而这正是黑人所经历的，因为我欠了这笔钱，你猜怎么着？我哪儿也去不了，我得留下来解决这个问题。
对于黑人来说，这种情况每年都在继续，他们永远不可能成功，这就是为什么我嘲笑你们这些无知的人，你们声称黑人有太多太多太多太多太多的时间去获得成功！为什么我们不让设法让自己摆脱贫困？
数百万黑人参加战争，但却从未真正受益于《退伍军人权利法案》 ，通过该法案，你的祖父母、曾祖父母第一次拥有了自己的房子，这种做法创造了财富，然而《退伍军人权利法案》对黑人没有任何帮助，因为它不适用于我们——这你能接受吗？
想象一下，如果这些黑人真的能够兑现美国梦，会发生什么？而事实更像是“美国噩梦”，他们甚至不被允许利用这一法案，并被迫进入隔离住房，他们中的许多人直到今天还活着.....
即使是那些有能力购买住房的黑人，他们会住在哪里？他们中的许多人被迫住在贫穷的黑人社区，你猜怎么着？没有人会卖给他们更好的社区的房子，即使是那些愿意这么做的人，他们也不得不面对种族骚乱，只是为了通过那该死的门，或者有人向他们的窗户扔砖头。
看看“红线”政策是如何迫使黑人，即使是那些在贫民区买得起房子的人，基本上也只能住在贫穷的黑人旁边，许多富裕的黑人仍然更有可能居住在经济不景气的社区附近，因为这种有效的隔离一直持续到今天。
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那么你能不能接受数百万黑人没有实际获得过工资？想象一下，你去上班，你老板告诉你，“嘿，你欠我1000美元”而这正是黑人所经历的，因为我欠了这笔钱，你猜怎么着？我哪儿也去不了，我得留下来解决这个问题。
对于黑人来说，这种情况每年都在继续，他们永远不可能成功，这就是为什么我嘲笑你们这些无知的人，你们声称黑人有太多太多太多太多太多的时间去获得成功！为什么我们不让设法让自己摆脱贫困？
数百万黑人参加战争，但却从未真正受益于《退伍军人权利法案》 ，通过该法案，你的祖父母、曾祖父母第一次拥有了自己的房子，这种做法创造了财富，然而《退伍军人权利法案》对黑人没有任何帮助，因为它不适用于我们——这你能接受吗？
想象一下，如果这些黑人真的能够兑现美国梦，会发生什么？而事实更像是“美国噩梦”，他们甚至不被允许利用这一法案，并被迫进入隔离住房，他们中的许多人直到今天还活着.....
即使是那些有能力购买住房的黑人，他们会住在哪里？他们中的许多人被迫住在贫穷的黑人社区，你猜怎么着？没有人会卖给他们更好的社区的房子，即使是那些愿意这么做的人，他们也不得不面对种族骚乱，只是为了通过那该死的门，或者有人向他们的窗户扔砖头。
看看“红线”政策是如何迫使黑人，即使是那些在贫民区买得起房子的人，基本上也只能住在贫穷的黑人旁边，许多富裕的黑人仍然更有可能居住在经济不景气的社区附近，因为这种有效的隔离一直持续到今天。
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Ya’ll not hearing me right now….
What should a country do that’s spread democracy around the world but will segregate an entire race to “black neighborhoods in Chicago”? What should a country with a document like the US Constitution do while blacks were met with mobs of angry white people just because one family dared to move in? What can black people do with that? What should black people think when they came home just to be lynched for simply wearing uniforms? Why did they fight in WWI for FRANCE because whites didn’t want these Negroes fighting for their own country? Why didn’t the GI Bill apply to Blacks? Why did they have to face segregation in the military, even as they worked to free Europe from Nazi Germany?
What can black people do with this?
We’ve been screaming over and over again that it’s just not about slavery. It’s slavery and all of these other things that just aren’t right and have no place in a functioning democracy. If you believe America is the greatest country in the world, then you can’t be okay with this either.
We should at least be able to have a conversation about reparations and what that could even look like without people shutting it down before it can get started.
I mean, this is America, right?
Right?
你现在不会听我说话的....
一个将民主传播到全世界的国家，同时却将整个种族隔离到“芝加哥的黑人社区”，应该怎么做？
一个拥有《美国宪法》这样伟大宪政的国家，应该怎么做？
当黑人仅仅因为一个家庭敢于搬进来就遭遇愤怒的白人暴徒袭击时，该怎么办呢？黑人能做什么呢？当黑人仅仅因为穿制服就回家被处以私刑时，他们该怎么想呢？为什么他们在第一次世界大战中为法国而战？因为白人不希望这些黑人为自己的国家而战，为什么《退伍军人权利法》不适用于黑人？为什么他们在努力把欧洲从纳粹德国手中解放出来的同时，还要面对军队中的种族隔离？
黑人对此能做什么？
我们一次又一次地大声疾呼，关键不在于奴隶制本身，而是奴隶制及所有其它不正确的东西在一个正常运转的民主体系中没有立足之地，如果你相信美国是世界上最伟大的国家，那么你也会不能接受这个事实。
我们至少应该能够就赔款问题进行讨论。
我是说，这里是美国，对吧？
对吧？
What should a country do that’s spread democracy around the world but will segregate an entire race to “black neighborhoods in Chicago”? What should a country with a document like the US Constitution do while blacks were met with mobs of angry white people just because one family dared to move in? What can black people do with that? What should black people think when they came home just to be lynched for simply wearing uniforms? Why did they fight in WWI for FRANCE because whites didn’t want these Negroes fighting for their own country? Why didn’t the GI Bill apply to Blacks? Why did they have to face segregation in the military, even as they worked to free Europe from Nazi Germany?
What can black people do with this?
We’ve been screaming over and over again that it’s just not about slavery. It’s slavery and all of these other things that just aren’t right and have no place in a functioning democracy. If you believe America is the greatest country in the world, then you can’t be okay with this either.
We should at least be able to have a conversation about reparations and what that could even look like without people shutting it down before it can get started.
I mean, this is America, right?
Right?
你现在不会听我说话的....
一个将民主传播到全世界的国家，同时却将整个种族隔离到“芝加哥的黑人社区”，应该怎么做？
一个拥有《美国宪法》这样伟大宪政的国家，应该怎么做？
当黑人仅仅因为一个家庭敢于搬进来就遭遇愤怒的白人暴徒袭击时，该怎么办呢？黑人能做什么呢？当黑人仅仅因为穿制服就回家被处以私刑时，他们该怎么想呢？为什么他们在第一次世界大战中为法国而战？因为白人不希望这些黑人为自己的国家而战，为什么《退伍军人权利法》不适用于黑人？为什么他们在努力把欧洲从纳粹德国手中解放出来的同时，还要面对军队中的种族隔离？
黑人对此能做什么？
我们一次又一次地大声疾呼，关键不在于奴隶制本身，而是奴隶制及所有其它不正确的东西在一个正常运转的民主体系中没有立足之地，如果你相信美国是世界上最伟大的国家，那么你也会不能接受这个事实。
我们至少应该能够就赔款问题进行讨论。
我是说，这里是美国，对吧？
对吧？
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