欧洲不断变化的移民政策（下）
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Spring Break
I have lived and worked as a foreigner most of my adult life, currently in Europe. I am careful not to criticize my host country, because I am but a guest here. If I do not like the conditions here or how people treat me, I can always go back where to where I came from. I am deeply grateful to the people and nations of Europe--they do not owe me anything!
我成年后大部分时间都以外国人的身份生活和工作，目前住在欧洲。我很小心，不会去批评我的东道国，因为我在这里只是个客人。如果我不喜欢这里的条件或人们对待我的方式，我总是可以回到我来的地方。我深深感激欧洲人民和各国——他们不欠我任何东西!
I have lived and worked as a foreigner most of my adult life, currently in Europe. I am careful not to criticize my host country, because I am but a guest here. If I do not like the conditions here or how people treat me, I can always go back where to where I came from. I am deeply grateful to the people and nations of Europe--they do not owe me anything!
我成年后大部分时间都以外国人的身份生活和工作，目前住在欧洲。我很小心，不会去批评我的东道国，因为我在这里只是个客人。如果我不喜欢这里的条件或人们对待我的方式，我总是可以回到我来的地方。我深深感激欧洲人民和各国——他们不欠我任何东西!
1CssTeam
they do own you, as I am sure your host country has something to do with your origin country being messed up
他们确实欠你的，因为我肯定你的东道国是你原籍国混乱的幕后黑手。
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they do own you, as I am sure your host country has something to do with your origin country being messed up
他们确实欠你的，因为我肯定你的东道国是你原籍国混乱的幕后黑手。
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IU
when the hosts' values being are bigots and discriminatory against the immigrants, the immigrants aren't allowed to do anything?
当主人的价值观是偏执和歧视移民，移民不被允许做任何事吗?
when the hosts' values being are bigots and discriminatory against the immigrants, the immigrants aren't allowed to do anything?
当主人的价值观是偏执和歧视移民，移民不被允许做任何事吗?
DjProjectus
@IU Imigrants ca can leave to where they come from.
移民可以回他们的老家去。
@IU Imigrants ca can leave to where they come from.
移民可以回他们的老家去。
Osinevan
@IU It's important to understand, that many people simply had no contact with different cultures. Thus, bringing it into their country is a "threatening" sensation that many are aggravated. Unlike them traveling to other cultures on their own accord.
A flawed behaviour, nonetheless, but that how it is. Only through gradual positive exposure can that change.
Trying to replace the host country's culture while coming there by choice means challenging them. And it does not create a positive image. Thus the locals will only be more guarded and dislike the outsider.
I find it strange that people enter other countries and expect to be trusted like in their homeland. I don't expect a mosque to provide me a christian prayer.
重要的是要明白，许多人根本没有接触过不同的文化。因此，它进入了自己的国家是一种“威胁性”的感觉，许多人对此感到恼火。这和去其他国家旅行完全不同。尽管这是一种有缺陷的行为，但事实就是如此。只有通过逐渐的积极接触，这种情况才能改变。
试图取代东道国的文化，那去那里就意味着挑战他们。这并不能创造一个积极的形象。因此，当地人只会更加警惕，更不喜欢外来者。我觉得很奇怪，人们进入其他国家，却期望得到像在本国一样的信任。我可不指望清真寺能给我提供基督教祷告。
@IU It's important to understand, that many people simply had no contact with different cultures. Thus, bringing it into their country is a "threatening" sensation that many are aggravated. Unlike them traveling to other cultures on their own accord.
A flawed behaviour, nonetheless, but that how it is. Only through gradual positive exposure can that change.
Trying to replace the host country's culture while coming there by choice means challenging them. And it does not create a positive image. Thus the locals will only be more guarded and dislike the outsider.
I find it strange that people enter other countries and expect to be trusted like in their homeland. I don't expect a mosque to provide me a christian prayer.
重要的是要明白，许多人根本没有接触过不同的文化。因此，它进入了自己的国家是一种“威胁性”的感觉，许多人对此感到恼火。这和去其他国家旅行完全不同。尽管这是一种有缺陷的行为，但事实就是如此。只有通过逐渐的积极接触，这种情况才能改变。
试图取代东道国的文化，那去那里就意味着挑战他们。这并不能创造一个积极的形象。因此，当地人只会更加警惕，更不喜欢外来者。我觉得很奇怪，人们进入其他国家，却期望得到像在本国一样的信任。我可不指望清真寺能给我提供基督教祷告。
Vegard Baisgård
Im Norwegian. Here i support immigrants that demands at least to be treated with decenty! Especially as Norway brags about being so open, and tolerant. Even here were affected of the trends that happens internationally. Which is..not scary, but.. the world is kinda on the edge i feel. Anyways, i welcome you to Norway, should you ever visit.
我是挪威人。在这里，我支持那些要求至少得到体面待遇的移民!尤其是挪威吹嘘自己是如此开放和宽容。这里也受到了国际趋势的影响，不过还并不严重，但是我觉得有点岌岌可危。不管怎样，我欢迎你来挪威，如果你来的话。
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Im Norwegian. Here i support immigrants that demands at least to be treated with decenty! Especially as Norway brags about being so open, and tolerant. Even here were affected of the trends that happens internationally. Which is..not scary, but.. the world is kinda on the edge i feel. Anyways, i welcome you to Norway, should you ever visit.
我是挪威人。在这里，我支持那些要求至少得到体面待遇的移民!尤其是挪威吹嘘自己是如此开放和宽容。这里也受到了国际趋势的影响，不过还并不严重，但是我觉得有点岌岌可危。不管怎样，我欢迎你来挪威，如果你来的话。
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Jeyson Jones
My friend.. you are not a foreigner anywhere. As a human being, we are welcomed everywhere on this planet. Any government that tells you otherwise proves the need to defund all governments.
我的朋友...你在任何地方都不是外国人。作为一个人，我们在这个星球上的任何地方都会受到欢迎。任何一个政府如果不这么说，就证明需要撤除所有的政府资金。
My friend.. you are not a foreigner anywhere. As a human being, we are welcomed everywhere on this planet. Any government that tells you otherwise proves the need to defund all governments.
我的朋友...你在任何地方都不是外国人。作为一个人，我们在这个星球上的任何地方都会受到欢迎。任何一个政府如果不这么说，就证明需要撤除所有的政府资金。
Anwesha Kar
Europe actually does owe a lot of the world a lot of things
欧洲实际上欠世界很多国家很多东西。
Europe actually does owe a lot of the world a lot of things
欧洲实际上欠世界很多国家很多东西。
Engle de Laffety
Immigration is a deeply emotive topic. But we should not fall into the danger of calling out "good" immigrants (educated, high earners) vs "bad" immigrants (poor, uneducated). As a second-generation UK citizen, my father arrived in the UK in 1960 from Trinidad, he worked 34 years as a cleaner in a hospital. Today, I am an epidemiologist doing research on lung cancer. There are many ways to "give back" to a country.
移民是一个非常情绪化的话题。但我们不应该陷入把“好”移民(受过教育的高收入者)与“坏”移民(贫穷的、没受过教育的人)区分开来的危险。作为英国第二代公民，我的父亲1960年从特立尼达来到英国，他在一家医院做了34年的清洁工。今天，我是一名研究肺癌的流行病学家。“回馈”一个国家的方式有很多种。
Immigration is a deeply emotive topic. But we should not fall into the danger of calling out "good" immigrants (educated, high earners) vs "bad" immigrants (poor, uneducated). As a second-generation UK citizen, my father arrived in the UK in 1960 from Trinidad, he worked 34 years as a cleaner in a hospital. Today, I am an epidemiologist doing research on lung cancer. There are many ways to "give back" to a country.
移民是一个非常情绪化的话题。但我们不应该陷入把“好”移民(受过教育的高收入者)与“坏”移民(贫穷的、没受过教育的人)区分开来的危险。作为英国第二代公民，我的父亲1960年从特立尼达来到英国，他在一家医院做了34年的清洁工。今天，我是一名研究肺癌的流行病学家。“回馈”一个国家的方式有很多种。
I S
Fantastic win-win experience! You gain more education in the UK and UK gains an epidemiologist. Although I do wonder if your father was a cleaner back in Trinidad. So many educated immigrants that come to a new country end up doing something totally unrelated to their original career.
很棒的双赢经历!你在英国接受了更多的教育，英国也有了一名流行病学家。不过我想知道你父亲是不是在特立尼达当过清洁工。许多受过教育的移民来到一个新的国家，最终做的事情与他们原来的职业完全无关。
Fantastic win-win experience! You gain more education in the UK and UK gains an epidemiologist. Although I do wonder if your father was a cleaner back in Trinidad. So many educated immigrants that come to a new country end up doing something totally unrelated to their original career.
很棒的双赢经历!你在英国接受了更多的教育，英国也有了一名流行病学家。不过我想知道你父亲是不是在特立尼达当过清洁工。许多受过教育的移民来到一个新的国家，最终做的事情与他们原来的职业完全无关。
redonebeatbox
He did not throw stones at border guards, did not DEMAND money just because, respect, and for British meals to be removed from school menus because he did not like them. The issue is, that most of today's migrants have no plans outside of "we're going to Germany, they'll give us free money there". What your father and you did, deserves a great amount of respect, but it's just not like this anymore nowadays
他没有向边防军扔过石头，没有因为要求受到尊重而要钱，也没有因为他不喜欢英国饭菜而要求学校删改菜单。题是，今天的大多数移民除了“我们要去德国，他们会给我们免费的钱”之外没有其他计划。你和你父亲所做的值得我们高度尊重，但现在已经不是这样了
He did not throw stones at border guards, did not DEMAND money just because, respect, and for British meals to be removed from school menus because he did not like them. The issue is, that most of today's migrants have no plans outside of "we're going to Germany, they'll give us free money there". What your father and you did, deserves a great amount of respect, but it's just not like this anymore nowadays
他没有向边防军扔过石头，没有因为要求受到尊重而要钱，也没有因为他不喜欢英国饭菜而要求学校删改菜单。题是，今天的大多数移民除了“我们要去德国，他们会给我们免费的钱”之外没有其他计划。你和你父亲所做的值得我们高度尊重，但现在已经不是这样了
Renee Caballero
@redonebeatbox exactly the same issue we have in the US. They get everything given to them for free and they live better than most citizens do because they're not documented, the US can't verify marriage licenses. So, most women come with husbands. Husband works, but the wife claims she has no one to help,has no money, but is pregnant every year. It's frustrating when you see them driving luxury vehicles worth more than you make in a year, and they still receive free housing, food stamps, medical, the list just goes on. Everything is handed to them, without any investigation. If they do work they buy someone else's stolen identity so that they can work and still receive government handouts. It pisses me off. If they were truly coming because of war, I would understand that, but most of them complain how they hate it here and how their country is so much better, etc. They don't try to learn the language, everyone else has to learn theirs. I was a single mom of 4 sons after divorcing and I had to work 96hrs a week because I couldn't get any assistance. I missed out on most of my sons lives when they were growing up. Why am I, a citizen denied, but everything given so freely to illegal immigrants without them having to even prove their own legal names?
和我们在美国遇到的问题完全一样。他们得到的一切都是免费的，他们比大多数公民生活得更好，他们没有证件，美国无法核实结婚证，所以大多数女性都是和丈夫一起来的。丈夫工作，但妻子却说她独自一人，没有钱，但她每年都怀孕。当你看到他们开着价值超过你一年收入的豪车时，你会感到沮丧，他们仍然享受免费住房、食品券、医疗，还有很多。一切都给了他们，没有经过任何调查。如果他们没有工作，他们就会买别人被盗的身份，这样他们就能工作了，同时还能得到政府的救济，这让我很生气。如果他们真的因为躲避战乱而来，我可以理解，但他们中的大多数人抱怨他们是多么讨厌这里，他们的国家是多么好等等。他们不努力学习语言，却要求其他人必须学习他们的语言。离婚后，我是一个有4个儿子的单亲妈妈，因为得不到任何帮助，我不得不每周工作96小时。我错过了我大部分儿子成长过程中的生活。为什么我作为一个公民被剥夺了权利，而非法移民却可以如此自由地获得一切，甚至不需要他们证明自己的法定姓名?
@redonebeatbox exactly the same issue we have in the US. They get everything given to them for free and they live better than most citizens do because they're not documented, the US can't verify marriage licenses. So, most women come with husbands. Husband works, but the wife claims she has no one to help,has no money, but is pregnant every year. It's frustrating when you see them driving luxury vehicles worth more than you make in a year, and they still receive free housing, food stamps, medical, the list just goes on. Everything is handed to them, without any investigation. If they do work they buy someone else's stolen identity so that they can work and still receive government handouts. It pisses me off. If they were truly coming because of war, I would understand that, but most of them complain how they hate it here and how their country is so much better, etc. They don't try to learn the language, everyone else has to learn theirs. I was a single mom of 4 sons after divorcing and I had to work 96hrs a week because I couldn't get any assistance. I missed out on most of my sons lives when they were growing up. Why am I, a citizen denied, but everything given so freely to illegal immigrants without them having to even prove their own legal names?
和我们在美国遇到的问题完全一样。他们得到的一切都是免费的，他们比大多数公民生活得更好，他们没有证件，美国无法核实结婚证，所以大多数女性都是和丈夫一起来的。丈夫工作，但妻子却说她独自一人，没有钱，但她每年都怀孕。当你看到他们开着价值超过你一年收入的豪车时，你会感到沮丧，他们仍然享受免费住房、食品券、医疗，还有很多。一切都给了他们，没有经过任何调查。如果他们没有工作，他们就会买别人被盗的身份，这样他们就能工作了，同时还能得到政府的救济，这让我很生气。如果他们真的因为躲避战乱而来，我可以理解，但他们中的大多数人抱怨他们是多么讨厌这里，他们的国家是多么好等等。他们不努力学习语言，却要求其他人必须学习他们的语言。离婚后，我是一个有4个儿子的单亲妈妈，因为得不到任何帮助，我不得不每周工作96小时。我错过了我大部分儿子成长过程中的生活。为什么我作为一个公民被剥夺了权利，而非法移民却可以如此自由地获得一切，甚至不需要他们证明自己的法定姓名?
redonebeatbox
Millions of people escaped my country (Bulgaria) due to poverty and lack of jobs in the last 30+ years. Most of them (including my parents for a while) desperately looked for legal means to move abroad and work. Does it seem fair to you that MILLIONS of Middle Eastern people just break the fence saying SOME name and SOME nationality (they have no papers on them), and then DEMAND money, shelter, food, and not offering almost any skills and workforce in return? Also, Europe can NOT feed millions of non-working newcomers just because someone wishes it would be awesome it it was possible. And when those people do not wish to work, integrate and adapt, they become a social, financial and security problem, which is bad both for them AND for the countries they went to.
a big number of today's migrants do not even consider working. Drug dealing and staying on government money is soo much easier to do. Plus, when speaking about skills and education - you do want your dentist, surgeon, accountant etc etc to have the proper skills and education, right? And in general, being a citizen means more or less contributing to the society, not living from other people's work and taxes. I mean, if a person isn't educated or capable of doing something, he will most probably end up from being miserable in one country, to being miserable in another one
在过去30多年里，数百万人因为贫穷和缺乏工作逃离了我的国家(保加利亚)。他们中的大多数人(包括我的父母有一段时间)拼命地寻找移居国外工作的合法途径。而数以百万计的中东人却只是打破栅栏，说出一些名字和国籍(他们没有证件)，然后就可以要求金钱、住所、食物，而几乎不提供任何技能和劳动力作为回报，这对你来说公平吗?此外，欧洲不能仅仅因为有人希望这样做就养活数百万没有工作的新移民。当这些人不愿意工作、融入社会和适应环境时，他们就会成为一个社会、金融和安全问题，这对他们自己和他们去的国家都是不利的。
现在有很大一部分移民不考虑工作。因为贩毒和花政府的钱要容易得多。另外，当谈到技能和教育时——你确实希望你的牙医、外科医生、会计等拥有适当的技能和教育，对吧?一般来说，成为一名公民意味着或多或少地对社会做出贡献，而不是靠别人的工作和税收生活。我的意思是，如果一个人没有受过教育或没有能力做某件事，他很可能在一个国家过得很痛苦，在另一个国家也很痛苦。
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Millions of people escaped my country (Bulgaria) due to poverty and lack of jobs in the last 30+ years. Most of them (including my parents for a while) desperately looked for legal means to move abroad and work. Does it seem fair to you that MILLIONS of Middle Eastern people just break the fence saying SOME name and SOME nationality (they have no papers on them), and then DEMAND money, shelter, food, and not offering almost any skills and workforce in return? Also, Europe can NOT feed millions of non-working newcomers just because someone wishes it would be awesome it it was possible. And when those people do not wish to work, integrate and adapt, they become a social, financial and security problem, which is bad both for them AND for the countries they went to.
a big number of today's migrants do not even consider working. Drug dealing and staying on government money is soo much easier to do. Plus, when speaking about skills and education - you do want your dentist, surgeon, accountant etc etc to have the proper skills and education, right? And in general, being a citizen means more or less contributing to the society, not living from other people's work and taxes. I mean, if a person isn't educated or capable of doing something, he will most probably end up from being miserable in one country, to being miserable in another one
在过去30多年里，数百万人因为贫穷和缺乏工作逃离了我的国家(保加利亚)。他们中的大多数人(包括我的父母有一段时间)拼命地寻找移居国外工作的合法途径。而数以百万计的中东人却只是打破栅栏，说出一些名字和国籍(他们没有证件)，然后就可以要求金钱、住所、食物，而几乎不提供任何技能和劳动力作为回报，这对你来说公平吗?此外，欧洲不能仅仅因为有人希望这样做就养活数百万没有工作的新移民。当这些人不愿意工作、融入社会和适应环境时，他们就会成为一个社会、金融和安全问题，这对他们自己和他们去的国家都是不利的。
现在有很大一部分移民不考虑工作。因为贩毒和花政府的钱要容易得多。另外，当谈到技能和教育时——你确实希望你的牙医、外科医生、会计等拥有适当的技能和教育，对吧?一般来说，成为一名公民意味着或多或少地对社会做出贡献，而不是靠别人的工作和税收生活。我的意思是，如果一个人没有受过教育或没有能力做某件事，他很可能在一个国家过得很痛苦，在另一个国家也很痛苦。
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Atro Patene
@redonebeatbox I think everyone should be able to move here freely. Most European countries were built on immigration. We need it.
我认为每个人都应该可以自由地搬到这里。大多数欧洲国家都是建立在移民基础上的。我们需要他们。
@redonebeatbox I think everyone should be able to move here freely. Most European countries were built on immigration. We need it.
我认为每个人都应该可以自由地搬到这里。大多数欧洲国家都是建立在移民基础上的。我们需要他们。
J. Abildgaard
Many Europeans, unfortunalely see themselves as automatically "better"/better educated etc as everyone else.
This has to come from the slavery-mindset...the slavery many of them never really stopped
Years ago, I met a Brazilian who was in Europe for a conference. We exchanged experiences from our home countries regarding education and everything else and in the end, we agreed that there isn't really not much difference between our two countries - my original European colonial place however, still neither can nor will, see/understand this..and, they certainly will not change...
This means, if we didn't know before, we now should know, that what need change and real development, is ourselves..
不幸的是，许多欧洲人想当然地认为自己比其他人“更好”/受教育程度更高。这一定来自于奴隶主心态……他们中的许多人从未真正停止过奴隶制。
几年前，我在欧洲参加一个会议时遇到了一位巴西人。我们交流了各自祖国的教育和其他方面的经验，最后，我们一致认为我们两国之间真的没有太大的区别——然而我的国家作为一个欧洲殖民主，仍然不能也不愿看到/理解这一点。而且，他们肯定不会改变做法……这意味着，如果我们以前不知道，我们现在应该知道，需要真正改变和提升的，是我们自己。
Many Europeans, unfortunalely see themselves as automatically "better"/better educated etc as everyone else.
This has to come from the slavery-mindset...the slavery many of them never really stopped
Years ago, I met a Brazilian who was in Europe for a conference. We exchanged experiences from our home countries regarding education and everything else and in the end, we agreed that there isn't really not much difference between our two countries - my original European colonial place however, still neither can nor will, see/understand this..and, they certainly will not change...
This means, if we didn't know before, we now should know, that what need change and real development, is ourselves..
不幸的是，许多欧洲人想当然地认为自己比其他人“更好”/受教育程度更高。这一定来自于奴隶主心态……他们中的许多人从未真正停止过奴隶制。
几年前，我在欧洲参加一个会议时遇到了一位巴西人。我们交流了各自祖国的教育和其他方面的经验，最后，我们一致认为我们两国之间真的没有太大的区别——然而我的国家作为一个欧洲殖民主，仍然不能也不愿看到/理解这一点。而且，他们肯定不会改变做法……这意味着，如果我们以前不知道，我们现在应该知道，需要真正改变和提升的，是我们自己。
redonebeatbox
I agree that if you live in a poor country, you would want to move to a better one. But bringing nothing but a hungry mouth is not a good idea, if you want to be respected and accepted as a part of your new country. Also, free movement depends on tons of political and economical factors. It is a fact in the EU, and we can all see the benefits. But that free movement is mainly beneficial for work and living purposes. However, when someone doesn't want to work, how would he support himself anywhere he goes?
Plus, there is this thing - if all the people from the poor places move to Europe, for example, what will happen to Europe? It will turn into a shithole in no time. So we do need to put emotions aside, and think real. I would rather see the world helping poor countries get better, than every poor person coming here and living on my taxes without willing to work, to learn the language, integrate etc. And if "better future" means doing nothing while waiting an EU country to pay you money, that will only worsen the problem. And free movement comes with a list of laws and rules to follow, not breaking fences and throwing stones.
我同意如果你生活在一个贫穷的国家，你会想搬到一个更好的国家。但如果你想被尊重，被接纳为新国家的一部分，除了一张嘴什么都不带可不是个好主意。此外，自由流动取决于大量的政治和经济因素。这在欧盟是一个事实，我们都能看到好处。但这种自由流动主要是有利于工作和生活的。当一个人不想工作的时候，不论他到哪里，怎么养活自己呢?
另外还有一件事——如果所有的人都从贫穷的地方搬到欧洲，欧洲会发生什么?它很快就会变成一个狗窝。所以我们需要把情感放在一边，认真思考。我宁愿看到世界帮助贫穷国家变得更好，而不是每个穷人来到这里，靠我的税生活，而且不愿意工作，学习语言，融入社会等等。如果“更好的未来”意味着什么都不做，等着欧盟国家给你发钱，那只会使问题恶化。自由行动伴随着一系列需要遵守的法律和规则，而不是打破栅栏和扔石头。
I agree that if you live in a poor country, you would want to move to a better one. But bringing nothing but a hungry mouth is not a good idea, if you want to be respected and accepted as a part of your new country. Also, free movement depends on tons of political and economical factors. It is a fact in the EU, and we can all see the benefits. But that free movement is mainly beneficial for work and living purposes. However, when someone doesn't want to work, how would he support himself anywhere he goes?
Plus, there is this thing - if all the people from the poor places move to Europe, for example, what will happen to Europe? It will turn into a shithole in no time. So we do need to put emotions aside, and think real. I would rather see the world helping poor countries get better, than every poor person coming here and living on my taxes without willing to work, to learn the language, integrate etc. And if "better future" means doing nothing while waiting an EU country to pay you money, that will only worsen the problem. And free movement comes with a list of laws and rules to follow, not breaking fences and throwing stones.
我同意如果你生活在一个贫穷的国家，你会想搬到一个更好的国家。但如果你想被尊重，被接纳为新国家的一部分，除了一张嘴什么都不带可不是个好主意。此外，自由流动取决于大量的政治和经济因素。这在欧盟是一个事实，我们都能看到好处。但这种自由流动主要是有利于工作和生活的。当一个人不想工作的时候，不论他到哪里，怎么养活自己呢?
另外还有一件事——如果所有的人都从贫穷的地方搬到欧洲，欧洲会发生什么?它很快就会变成一个狗窝。所以我们需要把情感放在一边，认真思考。我宁愿看到世界帮助贫穷国家变得更好，而不是每个穷人来到这里，靠我的税生活，而且不愿意工作，学习语言，融入社会等等。如果“更好的未来”意味着什么都不做，等着欧盟国家给你发钱，那只会使问题恶化。自由行动伴随着一系列需要遵守的法律和规则，而不是打破栅栏和扔石头。
Ayde
@redonebeatbox Jesus, you really think people leave their countries because "they'll give us free money?". I'm an immigrant in the EU: I come from the United States. I came because my beliefs didn't allign with my country of origin. Because I saw my european country as a functioning socialist democracy where equality is practiced. I came for opportunities, and for a better life. I am willing to do whatever I can in this european country to be of use to this system. I want to contribute and be of value to this place. There are so many people who come from all over who have the same perspective as me. There are so many people working the worst jobs in Germany, and all over Europe. This system benefits the citizens of these European nations first and foremost. Just look at what issues are arrising in Britain in the wake of Brexit: and the difficulties they're facing finding migrant and low wage workers to fill the positions in society that most don't want to work. Think critically about how an influx of low-wage workers who are used to lower living standards benefits the citizens of European nations. I'm not saying it's right: it's borderline exploitation in many cases: but it's a start for so many immigrants: and a benefit to YOU.
天啊，你真的认为人们离开自己的国家是因为“有人会免费给我们钱?”我是欧盟的移民:我来自美国。我来这里是因为我的信仰与我的祖国不一致。因为我认为这个欧洲国家是一个民主社会主义国家，人人平等。我来这里是为了机会，为了更好的生活。我愿意在这个欧洲国家做我能做的任何事，为这个系统做贡献。我想为这个地方做贡献，做有价值的人。有很多来自世界各地的人和我有着相同的观点。在德国，乃至整个欧洲，有太多的人从事着最差的工作。移民制度会首先使这些欧洲国家的公民受益。看看英国脱欧后出现了什么问题就知道了:他们在寻找移民和低工资工人来填补大多数人不想要的工作职位方面遇到了困难。批判性地思考一下，习惯于较低生活水平的低工资工人的涌入会给欧洲国家的公民带来什么好处。我并不是说这是对的:在很多情况下，这是一种边缘剥削:但这是许多移民的一个新的开始:对你来说也是一个好处。
@redonebeatbox Jesus, you really think people leave their countries because "they'll give us free money?". I'm an immigrant in the EU: I come from the United States. I came because my beliefs didn't allign with my country of origin. Because I saw my european country as a functioning socialist democracy where equality is practiced. I came for opportunities, and for a better life. I am willing to do whatever I can in this european country to be of use to this system. I want to contribute and be of value to this place. There are so many people who come from all over who have the same perspective as me. There are so many people working the worst jobs in Germany, and all over Europe. This system benefits the citizens of these European nations first and foremost. Just look at what issues are arrising in Britain in the wake of Brexit: and the difficulties they're facing finding migrant and low wage workers to fill the positions in society that most don't want to work. Think critically about how an influx of low-wage workers who are used to lower living standards benefits the citizens of European nations. I'm not saying it's right: it's borderline exploitation in many cases: but it's a start for so many immigrants: and a benefit to YOU.
天啊，你真的认为人们离开自己的国家是因为“有人会免费给我们钱?”我是欧盟的移民:我来自美国。我来这里是因为我的信仰与我的祖国不一致。因为我认为这个欧洲国家是一个民主社会主义国家，人人平等。我来这里是为了机会，为了更好的生活。我愿意在这个欧洲国家做我能做的任何事，为这个系统做贡献。我想为这个地方做贡献，做有价值的人。有很多来自世界各地的人和我有着相同的观点。在德国，乃至整个欧洲，有太多的人从事着最差的工作。移民制度会首先使这些欧洲国家的公民受益。看看英国脱欧后出现了什么问题就知道了:他们在寻找移民和低工资工人来填补大多数人不想要的工作职位方面遇到了困难。批判性地思考一下，习惯于较低生活水平的低工资工人的涌入会给欧洲国家的公民带来什么好处。我并不是说这是对的:在很多情况下，这是一种边缘剥削:但这是许多移民的一个新的开始:对你来说也是一个好处。
TB89
I think we all should face this topic from a realistic point of view. On the one hand we should open our borders for qualified people. And I don't care if they're from Ukraine or from Iraq. But at the same time we should also acknowledge that different cultures can cause problems and clashes. And that CANT be ignored. When this leads to acts of crimes (as seen a lot of times the last years, rapes and violence etc.) we should be strict and send them back immediately.
我认为我们都应该从现实的角度来面对这个话题。一方面，我们应该为合格的人开放边境。我不在乎他们是乌克兰人还是伊拉克人。但与此同时，我们也应该承认，不同的文化会导致问题和冲突。这一点不容忽视。如果这导致了犯罪行为(就像过去几年看到的很多次强奸和暴力等)，我们应该严厉一点，立即把他们送回去。
I think we all should face this topic from a realistic point of view. On the one hand we should open our borders for qualified people. And I don't care if they're from Ukraine or from Iraq. But at the same time we should also acknowledge that different cultures can cause problems and clashes. And that CANT be ignored. When this leads to acts of crimes (as seen a lot of times the last years, rapes and violence etc.) we should be strict and send them back immediately.
我认为我们都应该从现实的角度来面对这个话题。一方面，我们应该为合格的人开放边境。我不在乎他们是乌克兰人还是伊拉克人。但与此同时，我们也应该承认，不同的文化会导致问题和冲突。这一点不容忽视。如果这导致了犯罪行为(就像过去几年看到的很多次强奸和暴力等)，我们应该严厉一点，立即把他们送回去。
Jay Bird
That process was in place until people like Joe Biden started to ignore it and just invited everybody in and we'll work all those problems out later. And by then of course, it's too late..
这个过程一直存在，直到像乔.拜登这样的人开始忽视它，只是邀请所有人进来，然后再想办法解决所有这些问题。当然，到那时已经太晚了。
That process was in place until people like Joe Biden started to ignore it and just invited everybody in and we'll work all those problems out later. And by then of course, it's too late..
这个过程一直存在，直到像乔.拜登这样的人开始忽视它，只是邀请所有人进来，然后再想办法解决所有这些问题。当然，到那时已经太晚了。
ducc
I wish there could be safe and legal ways for people outside of the EU to immigrate here, I am staunchly opposed to illegal migration as you never know what kind of characters end up coming here, not to mention the mortality rate of such a journey! I don't quite know how migration works for these people so I don't have an understanding of the opportunities for them. In my experience I can drive to any country I want within the EU, I can apply for a visa and fly out to another continent without much difficulty. I treat this freedom as a right, but it's clearly a privilege.
我希望欧盟以外的人能有安全合法的方式移民到这里，我坚决反对非法移民，因为你永远不知道会有什么样的人来到这里，更不用说这样的非法移民过程中的死亡率了!我不太清楚这些人是如何迁移的，我没有了解他们的机会。根据我的经验，我可以开车去欧盟内任何我想去的国家，我可以申请签证，飞到另一个大陆，没有什么困难的。我把这种自由视为一种权利，但它显然是一种特权。
I wish there could be safe and legal ways for people outside of the EU to immigrate here, I am staunchly opposed to illegal migration as you never know what kind of characters end up coming here, not to mention the mortality rate of such a journey! I don't quite know how migration works for these people so I don't have an understanding of the opportunities for them. In my experience I can drive to any country I want within the EU, I can apply for a visa and fly out to another continent without much difficulty. I treat this freedom as a right, but it's clearly a privilege.
我希望欧盟以外的人能有安全合法的方式移民到这里，我坚决反对非法移民，因为你永远不知道会有什么样的人来到这里，更不用说这样的非法移民过程中的死亡率了!我不太清楚这些人是如何迁移的，我没有了解他们的机会。根据我的经验，我可以开车去欧盟内任何我想去的国家，我可以申请签证，飞到另一个大陆，没有什么困难的。我把这种自由视为一种权利，但它显然是一种特权。
Pedro Gama
TB89 The reality is that Europe NEEDS to choose, very carefully, WHO comes and who Stays, like ANY other Country or Society would do...its not only a DUTY its an OBLIGATION for the Generations to come ! some Cultures are NOT "integrating" neither they want to....and there is nothing to "debate" anymore, this is being going on for DECADES and we see the results everywhere and they are NOT GOOD...and WHY has NEVER been a CENSUS among NATIVE Europeans about this ANYWHERE ?! WHY is being Imposed down our Throats ?
现实是，欧洲需要非常谨慎地选择谁来谁留，就像任何其他国家会做的那样……这不仅是我们的责任，也是我们为子孙后代着想的义务!一些文化没有“融合”，他们也不想“融合”....没有什么可以“争论”的了，这种情况已经持续了几十年，我们看到到处都是这样的结果，他们是不好的…为什么从来没有在当地的欧洲人中进行过这方面的人口普查?!为什么要强加给我们?
TB89 The reality is that Europe NEEDS to choose, very carefully, WHO comes and who Stays, like ANY other Country or Society would do...its not only a DUTY its an OBLIGATION for the Generations to come ! some Cultures are NOT "integrating" neither they want to....and there is nothing to "debate" anymore, this is being going on for DECADES and we see the results everywhere and they are NOT GOOD...and WHY has NEVER been a CENSUS among NATIVE Europeans about this ANYWHERE ?! WHY is being Imposed down our Throats ?
现实是，欧洲需要非常谨慎地选择谁来谁留，就像任何其他国家会做的那样……这不仅是我们的责任，也是我们为子孙后代着想的义务!一些文化没有“融合”，他们也不想“融合”....没有什么可以“争论”的了，这种情况已经持续了几十年，我们看到到处都是这样的结果，他们是不好的…为什么从来没有在当地的欧洲人中进行过这方面的人口普查?!为什么要强加给我们?
herptek
Best way to respect cultural differences would be to allow different cultures to live apart in their own respective nation states that each has exclusive rights to. Control of borders makes for better neighbours and maintains diversity of cultures.
尊重文化差异的最好方法是让不同的文化在各自的国家中独立发展，而每个国家都有各自文化的专属权利。控制边界有助于睦邻友好，并保持文化的多样性。
Best way to respect cultural differences would be to allow different cultures to live apart in their own respective nation states that each has exclusive rights to. Control of borders makes for better neighbours and maintains diversity of cultures.
尊重文化差异的最好方法是让不同的文化在各自的国家中独立发展，而每个国家都有各自文化的专属权利。控制边界有助于睦邻友好，并保持文化的多样性。
maria albina bilaro
as soon as they do crimes send them back straight ahead..
一旦他们犯罪，就把他们直接送回去。
as soon as they do crimes send them back straight ahead..
一旦他们犯罪，就把他们直接送回去。
Aboubakar Kam
Make sense but to be honest sending people back to their origin countries is not the solution. Just treat everyone as you would want to be treated we are all one nation. Let's stop racism and live together as we are one mankind.
有道理，但说实话，把人们送回他们的原籍国不是解决办法。不如就像你希望被对待的那样去对待每个人，毕竟我们现在都生活在一个国家。让我们停止种族主义，共同生活，因为我们同是人类。
Make sense but to be honest sending people back to their origin countries is not the solution. Just treat everyone as you would want to be treated we are all one nation. Let's stop racism and live together as we are one mankind.
有道理，但说实话，把人们送回他们的原籍国不是解决办法。不如就像你希望被对待的那样去对待每个人，毕竟我们现在都生活在一个国家。让我们停止种族主义，共同生活，因为我们同是人类。
Sama Sob
How would you pick qualified immigrants and leave the rest?
你如何挑选合格的移民，而把其余的隔离在外?
How would you pick qualified immigrants and leave the rest?
你如何挑选合格的移民，而把其余的隔离在外?
TB89
@Sama Sob You can actually pick and choose. Thats how Canada does it..the most important thing is that we have to acknowledge cultural differences and also a strict policy on criminals. Europe was naive the last years, welcoming everybody with open arms (which was a nice attempt, from a humanitarian perspective) but it lead to massive problems and we HAVE to do something about that. We cannot tolerate violence of migrants anymore. And yes this is a real issue, that a lot of politicians want to put a blind eye on.
是有办法的，这就是加拿大现在的做法。最重要的是我们必须承认文化差异，并对罪犯采取严格的措施。欧洲过去几年很天真，张开双臂欢迎所有人(从人道主义角度来说，这是一个很好的尝试)，但它导致了大量问题，我们必须为此做点什么。我们不能再容忍移民的暴力行为。是的，这是一个真实的问题，但许多政客想要视而不见。
@Sama Sob You can actually pick and choose. Thats how Canada does it..the most important thing is that we have to acknowledge cultural differences and also a strict policy on criminals. Europe was naive the last years, welcoming everybody with open arms (which was a nice attempt, from a humanitarian perspective) but it lead to massive problems and we HAVE to do something about that. We cannot tolerate violence of migrants anymore. And yes this is a real issue, that a lot of politicians want to put a blind eye on.
是有办法的，这就是加拿大现在的做法。最重要的是我们必须承认文化差异，并对罪犯采取严格的措施。欧洲过去几年很天真，张开双臂欢迎所有人(从人道主义角度来说，这是一个很好的尝试)，但它导致了大量问题，我们必须为此做点什么。我们不能再容忍移民的暴力行为。是的，这是一个真实的问题，但许多政客想要视而不见。
Håkan Rohdin
The difference between the refugees from Ukraine and what we have seen before is just mind-boggling. Women, children and the elderly escaping to a neighboring country as compared to young men crossing 5, 6, maybe even 10 countries, before finally applying for asylum.
来自乌克兰的难民和我们之前看到的难民之间的差异是令人难以置信的。乌克兰妇女、儿童和老人都选择逃到邻国，而乌克兰年轻男性在最终申请庇护前却选择跨越5、6个，甚至10个国家。
The difference between the refugees from Ukraine and what we have seen before is just mind-boggling. Women, children and the elderly escaping to a neighboring country as compared to young men crossing 5, 6, maybe even 10 countries, before finally applying for asylum.
来自乌克兰的难民和我们之前看到的难民之间的差异是令人难以置信的。乌克兰妇女、儿童和老人都选择逃到邻国，而乌克兰年轻男性在最终申请庇护前却选择跨越5、6个，甚至10个国家。
AAA
how about single young men being productive and industries having access to a cheap n reliable workforce, so as to enable industries be productive n pay more taxes for the benefit of everyone. Why not be an optimist like the rest of us. Remember there is too much femenism n homosexuality in europe that is causing europeans not to have children n thus contributing to the population decline.
让单身的年轻人去提高生产力怎么样?让工业获得廉价可靠的劳动力，从而使工业提高生产力，缴纳更多的税，造福每个人。为什么我们不像其他人一样做一个乐观主义者呢?记住，在欧洲有太多的女权主义和同性恋，导致欧洲人不生孩子，从而导致人口下降。
how about single young men being productive and industries having access to a cheap n reliable workforce, so as to enable industries be productive n pay more taxes for the benefit of everyone. Why not be an optimist like the rest of us. Remember there is too much femenism n homosexuality in europe that is causing europeans not to have children n thus contributing to the population decline.
让单身的年轻人去提高生产力怎么样?让工业获得廉价可靠的劳动力，从而使工业提高生产力，缴纳更多的税，造福每个人。为什么我们不像其他人一样做一个乐观主义者呢?记住，在欧洲有太多的女权主义和同性恋，导致欧洲人不生孩子，从而导致人口下降。
Linda S
Women and children threatened with genocide definitely need asylum. Men unwilling to study and work and make their own countries great instead of setting up gangs in Europe - not.
受到种族灭绝威胁的妇女和儿童绝对需要庇护。而对于那些不愿意学习、工作、让自己所迁移的国家变得伟大，宁愿在欧洲组建帮派的人—不。
Women and children threatened with genocide definitely need asylum. Men unwilling to study and work and make their own countries great instead of setting up gangs in Europe - not.
受到种族灭绝威胁的妇女和儿童绝对需要庇护。而对于那些不愿意学习、工作、让自己所迁移的国家变得伟大，宁愿在欧洲组建帮派的人—不。
98Zai
Until automation becomes mainstay, we have little choice - as the alternative represents a sharp dip in living standards. and I'm glad some of us think a few steps further ahead.
在自动化成为主流之前，我们几乎没有选择，只能接收移民——因为另一种选择意味着生活水平的急剧下降。不过我很高兴我们中的一些人看得更长远。
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Until automation becomes mainstay, we have little choice - as the alternative represents a sharp dip in living standards. and I'm glad some of us think a few steps further ahead.
在自动化成为主流之前，我们几乎没有选择，只能接收移民——因为另一种选择意味着生活水平的急剧下降。不过我很高兴我们中的一些人看得更长远。
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BrownLeaf
@98Zai Automation is the answer indeed. Even in agriculture. Japan is doing very well without a mass invasion of their country even though they experience a population decline at the same time. The West should not destroy the lives of the future generations to make one more $ today.
自动化确实是答案，甚至是在农业领域。日本在没有大规模接收移民的情况下做得很好，即使他们也同时经历了人口下降。西方不应该为了今天多赚一美元而毁掉后代的生活。
@98Zai Automation is the answer indeed. Even in agriculture. Japan is doing very well without a mass invasion of their country even though they experience a population decline at the same time. The West should not destroy the lives of the future generations to make one more $ today.
自动化确实是答案，甚至是在农业领域。日本在没有大规模接收移民的情况下做得很好，即使他们也同时经历了人口下降。西方不应该为了今天多赚一美元而毁掉后代的生活。
R.Y.
Europe should open up to all people from its former colonies.
欧洲应该向所有来自其前殖民地国家的人开放。
Europe should open up to all people from its former colonies.
欧洲应该向所有来自其前殖民地国家的人开放。
Cherry S
my problem is that I refuse to accept any type of coercive hierarchical authority under any circumstances. That puts me at odds with every single state that exists on earth
我的问题是，我在任何情况下都拒绝接受任何强制性的等级权威。这让我与地球上存在的每一个国家产生了分歧，
my problem is that I refuse to accept any type of coercive hierarchical authority under any circumstances. That puts me at odds with every single state that exists on earth
我的问题是，我在任何情况下都拒绝接受任何强制性的等级权威。这让我与地球上存在的每一个国家产生了分歧，
Sèvres
I see healthy men here in Germany illegally entered Poland and Poland welcomed them with open arms, same government pushed back Muslim immigrants in borders between Belarus and Poland, you can just ask those who work as volunteers between Belarus-poland border, they didn't allowed them because they were dark skinned.
How can you say who is good who is bad.
Racist.
我看到德国的健康男子非法进入波兰，波兰张开双臂欢迎他们，同样的政府在白俄罗斯和波兰之间的边界驱逐穆斯林移民，你可以问问在白俄罗斯和波兰边界之间工作的志愿者，政府不允许穆斯林移民进入，因为他们是黑皮肤。你怎么能说谁是好谁是坏。这就是种族主义。
I see healthy men here in Germany illegally entered Poland and Poland welcomed them with open arms, same government pushed back Muslim immigrants in borders between Belarus and Poland, you can just ask those who work as volunteers between Belarus-poland border, they didn't allowed them because they were dark skinned.
How can you say who is good who is bad.
Racist.
我看到德国的健康男子非法进入波兰，波兰张开双臂欢迎他们，同样的政府在白俄罗斯和波兰之间的边界驱逐穆斯林移民，你可以问问在白俄罗斯和波兰边界之间工作的志愿者，政府不允许穆斯林移民进入，因为他们是黑皮肤。你怎么能说谁是好谁是坏。这就是种族主义。
Kawa Taufik
ukrainian not refugee should no one help them
乌克兰人不是难民，不应该有人帮助他们。
ukrainian not refugee should no one help them
乌克兰人不是难民，不应该有人帮助他们。
Atro Patene
@Kawa Taufik Ukranians are also refugees and should also be helped. But we should help people from other places as well as we help the ukranians, is my point. The difference in age and gender shouldn't matter, we should help all of them.
乌克兰人也是难民，也应该得到帮助。但我们应该像帮助乌克兰人一样帮助其他地方的人，这是我的观点。年龄和性别的差异不重要，我们应该帮助他们所有人。
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@Kawa Taufik Ukranians are also refugees and should also be helped. But we should help people from other places as well as we help the ukranians, is my point. The difference in age and gender shouldn't matter, we should help all of them.
乌克兰人也是难民，也应该得到帮助。但我们应该像帮助乌克兰人一样帮助其他地方的人，这是我的观点。年龄和性别的差异不重要，我们应该帮助他们所有人。
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Dion7
I'm all for allowing people in and I've had some great colleagues from all over the world. At the same time I'm preparing to leave the Netherlands myself because I hate how overcrowded my country is. There are no affordable houses, barely any nature, everything is asphalt or buildings. It's too depressing. We're like sardines in a can, our country isn't that big. I know I'll be the foreigner soon, but I respect the country I want to go to and know there is plenty of space for people.
我完全赞成让人们进来，我有一些来自世界各地的优秀同事。不过与此同时，我自己也准备离开荷兰，因为我讨厌我的国家如此拥挤。这里没有经济适用房，几乎没有任何自然环境，到处都是沥青或建筑，太压抑了。我们就像罐头里的沙丁鱼，我们的国家没那么大。我知道我很快就会成为外国人，但我尊重我想去的国家，因为我知道那里有很多生活空间。
I'm all for allowing people in and I've had some great colleagues from all over the world. At the same time I'm preparing to leave the Netherlands myself because I hate how overcrowded my country is. There are no affordable houses, barely any nature, everything is asphalt or buildings. It's too depressing. We're like sardines in a can, our country isn't that big. I know I'll be the foreigner soon, but I respect the country I want to go to and know there is plenty of space for people.
我完全赞成让人们进来，我有一些来自世界各地的优秀同事。不过与此同时，我自己也准备离开荷兰，因为我讨厌我的国家如此拥挤。这里没有经济适用房，几乎没有任何自然环境，到处都是沥青或建筑，太压抑了。我们就像罐头里的沙丁鱼，我们的国家没那么大。我知道我很快就会成为外国人，但我尊重我想去的国家，因为我知道那里有很多生活空间。
ghazi khan
Where do you want to go to, if i may ask, I'm intrigued to know which country you see as a better place for you than Netherlands.
你想去哪里，如果我可以问，我很想知道你认为哪个国家比荷兰更适合你。
Where do you want to go to, if i may ask, I'm intrigued to know which country you see as a better place for you than Netherlands.
你想去哪里，如果我可以问，我很想知道你认为哪个国家比荷兰更适合你。
Autumn Jacaranda
Sorry if you don't want to say, but I am also curious where you are considering moving to?
如果你不想说，我很抱歉，但我也很好奇你正在考虑搬去哪里?
Sorry if you don't want to say, but I am also curious where you are considering moving to?
如果你不想说，我很抱歉，但我也很好奇你正在考虑搬去哪里?
mark boele
I am also a dutchy looking to move. Probably poland or spain.
我也是一个想要搬家的荷兰人。目的地可能是波兰或西班牙。
I am also a dutchy looking to move. Probably poland or spain.
我也是一个想要搬家的荷兰人。目的地可能是波兰或西班牙。
Cornelious Stradivarius
Most want and EXPECT the country they move to to adhere to THEIR beliefs and way of life while reaping all the benefits of that country with little to no integration or contribution to society. ppl wonder why we have an immigration problem here. Damn politicians trying to score brownie points.
大多数人都希望他们移居的国家支持他们的信仰和生活方式，同时获得该国的所有利益，却几乎不会融入或对社会做出贡献。想知道为什么我们这里有移民问题？因为该死的政客们想要获得印象分。
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Most want and EXPECT the country they move to to adhere to THEIR beliefs and way of life while reaping all the benefits of that country with little to no integration or contribution to society. ppl wonder why we have an immigration problem here. Damn politicians trying to score brownie points.
大多数人都希望他们移居的国家支持他们的信仰和生活方式，同时获得该国的所有利益，却几乎不会融入或对社会做出贡献。想知道为什么我们这里有移民问题？因为该死的政客们想要获得印象分。
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