印度人讨论:印度可能改名为“巴拉特”的来龙去脉
2023-09-08 UP机器人 6647
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toarin
There is an entire ocean named after our country.The subcontinent is called the Indian subcontinent.
The tectonic plate is called the Indian plate.The South-Asian monsoon is called the Indian monsoon.Would be incredibly stupid to give up on this level of clout. Our neighboring countries would be happy.

有一整个海洋是以我们的国家命名的。次大陆被称为印度次大陆。板块被称为印度板块。
南亚季风被称为印度季风。放弃这种影响力会非常愚蠢。我们的邻国会很高兴的。

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nafivim753
This is exactly what I was thinking. Just for the petty mindedness of a single madman we would lose all of these historical, geographical and socio-economic inheritance.

我就是这么想的。仅仅为了一个疯子的小心思,我们就会失去所有这些历史、地理和社会经济遗产。

serialposter
"Bharat Pe" guys must be edging at the mere thought.

“巴拉特”人一听到这个想法就兴奋得快要s了。

dontknow_anything
Stupidity of the highest order to rename 75 years after independence. Want to run a country or marketing campaign.

独立75年后改名,这是愚蠢的极致。要治理一个国家还是搞营销活动啊。

vadapaav
The dumbest part is India is already officially known as Bharat in first sentence in our constitution
You don't fucking change name of a country after 7 decades.

最愚蠢的是,我们宪法的第一句话就已经正式将印度称为 "巴拉特"。七十年后才改国名?

Indianopolice
Blind hatred overruling critical thinking!

盲目的仇恨压倒了理性思考!
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incredible-mee
They don't know about all these geographical tems, they only know akhand bharat.

他们不知道所有这些地理术语,他们只知道无敌的巴拉特。

AdvertisingIcy2910
That’s a solid point. If Republic of India stops associating itself with the term “India”, it loses the power and influence it holds over Indian subcontinent.

这一点很有道理。如果印度共和国不再将自己与 "印度 "一词联系在一起,它就会失去对印度次大陆的权力和影响力。

Lo_Ti_Lurker
Also, the Americans recently renamed Asia-Pacific as Indo-Pacific just to include us (and spite China), that's also gone.
This is monumentally stupid. Similar to the Islamic revolutionaries renaming Persia to Iran and thereby unintentionally distancing their country from the Persian empire's legacy.

而且,美国人最近刚把亚太重更名为印太,就是为了把我们包括进去(惹恼中国),这样也没戏了。这愚蠢到了极点。有点像伊斯兰革命者把波斯改名为伊朗,从而无意中使他们的国家与波斯帝国的遗产隔离开了。

SidewinderTA
Persia was renamed to Iran decades before the Islamic revolutionaries Iranians are North Indians are sorta the same people that diverged at some point in time. Avestan is probably the closest language to Sanskrit.

波斯改名为伊朗在伊斯兰革命者之前几十年就已经出现了。伊朗人和北印度人算是同一个民族,只是在某个时期发生了分化。阿维斯陀语可能是最接近梵语的语言。

serialposter
Remember Incredible India? Make in India? incredibly stupid

还记得不可思议的印度吗?还记得印度制造吗?令人难以置信的愚蠢

shrigay
They'll have to pass a Constitutional amendment for this, so 2/3rd MP votes - impossible without Opposition's support

他们将必须通过宪法修正案来完成这项工作,所以需要2/3的国会议员投票支持 - 没有反对党的支持是不可能实现的。

vpsj
Which will again become a political issue ki 'dekho dekho these people are with the british and don't want the name to change'

这又会成为一个政治问题,说“看,这些人站在英国一边,不想改名字”

mathandphysicsrock
Unfortunately afaik, gen z are just as right wing on most issues (so I wouldn't bet on that). (Saying this as a genZ er)

不幸的是,就我所知,千禧一代在大多数问题上的右翼倾向和老一代差不多(我是作为其中一员说这话的)。

MrVedu_FIFA
Agreed the amount of stupid youtube edits I see calling RaGa a virgin is incredible.

我同意,我看到的愚蠢油管剪辑数不胜数,都在说拉胡尔·甘地是一个处男。

Big_Ad909
The British has precious little to do with the name India.

英国人与印度这个名字几乎没什么关系。

mrappbrain
The constitution actually does already refer to India as Bharat. The very first line defining the unx and its territory reads ,"India, that is Bharat, shall be a unx of states" and the word Bharat appears 404 times in even the English constitution. In the Hindi version, Bharat is used instead of India.

事实上,宪法上就已经将印度称为 "巴拉特"了。定义联邦及其领土的第一行写道:"印度,即巴拉特,应是各邦的联盟",即使在英文宪法中,巴拉特一词也出现了404次。在印地语版本中,"Bharat "被用来代替 "India"。

Distinct-Ad1057
Is it part of the basic structure of the Constitution? can this be challenged in SC?

这是否是宪法的基本构架的一部分?这能在最高法院质疑吗?

mrappbrain
It is indeed part of the basic structure of the Constitution. This current discourse around 'renaming the country' is just noise really. It's like saying ,"Germany to be renamed to Deutschland" - it doesn't make any sense.
Now if the bill proposed to rename India to Hindustan, now then we'd have a problem. A rather big one. As it stands, it's pretty silly.

这确实是宪法基本结构的一部分。目前围绕“更名”的讨论只是噪音而已。这就像说“德国要改名为德意志”——这毫无意义。现在,如果该提案建议将印度改名为印度斯坦,那么我们就麻烦了,就会是一个相当大的问题。目前的情况很荒谬。

XpRienzo
Old fart needs to make a masturbatory stroke by wasting a lot of money

老家伙需要通过浪费大量金钱来达到自慰的目的

misconfigbackspace
Desh badalne ki baat karta hai, lekin k naam badalne ka kaam karta hai

他说要改变国家,但只是改变了名字。

thegodfather0504
Arey ap samjho na. Nam badalne se rashi badal jaegi, toh nakshatra bhi badal jaenge. Toh naseeb bhi badal jaege. Shubh hi shubh hoga. lol

你要理解啊。改变名字会改变星座,所以运势也会改变。将会充满好运。哈哈

Kambar
what is the need ?2024 Elections

有什么必要?因为2024年大选

misconfigbackspace
The important thing is that our street level rubbish daily arguments are now deciding the country's future.

重要的是,我们每天在街头巷尾的争论正在决定着国家的未来。

vpsj
Isn't it already Bharat? Like Japan is Nippon and China is Zhōng guó?

不是已经是巴拉特了吗?就像日本是Nippon,中国是Zhōng guó一样
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EkBhaloCheleChilo
Officially it is both but Modi wants to remove India reference altogether, all cause opposition uses the abbreviation INDIA and it hurt Modi’s ego

官方上两个名字都有,但莫迪想完全删除“印度”的提法,都是因为反对党使用了印度的缩写,这伤了莫迪的自尊。
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AshyDragneel
Just wondering that If they named it M.O.D.I. then would he remove his name as well

我在想,如果他们(反对党)取名为莫.迪.,那么他也会删掉自己的名字吗?

Excellent-Bar-1430
Talk about insecurity

这就是不安全感。

EkBhaloCheleChilo
They’re giving other excuses but we all know the real reason, mahamanav’s ego got hurt.

他们给了其他借口,但我们都知道真正的原因,大人物的自尊心受伤了。

BriefOceon
The thing with that is in Japan or china they have a single national language and people mostly speak and study in that language so those names ( Nippon and Zhong Guo ) are used , in India there is no national language and to to communicate within us we mostly use English and thus India, different linguistic groups in india do use their terms for India mostly bharat or some variation of it like bharata or bharatam etc ,

这其中的问题是,日本或中国他们使用单一的国家官方语言,人们大多数时候使用这种语言交流,所以那些名字(日本和中国)才被使用。在印度没有唯一的官方语言,为了沟通,我们大多数时候使用英语,因此使用了“印度”。印度不同的语言群体大多数使用他们自己的术语来称呼印度,主要是巴拉特或一些变体(像巴拉塔或巴拉塔姆等)。

urdu uses hindustan , tamil and malyalam refuse to use bharat as it is a sanskrit word and instead they use india( pronounced intiya) , Santhali uses completely different word for this country name which I can't remember.
PS: not a supporter of this name change as it doesn't effect this country in any way other than fuel the nationalistic fire

乌尔都语使用印度斯坦,泰米尔语和马拉雅拉姆语拒绝使用巴拉特,因为这是梵语词汇,而是使用印度(发音为英蒂亚)。桑塔利语使用完全不同的词汇,我记不起来了。另:我不支持这个改名,因为它不会以任何方式影响这个国家,只会加剧民族主义情绪。

cherryreddit
Never saw a malayali or tamilian refuse to say bharath. The tamil /malayalam word is bharatham only. Also Malayalam is a heavily sanskritised language. We use sanskrit words everyday.

我从未见过马拉雅拉姆人或泰米尔人拒绝说巴拉特。泰米尔语/马拉雅拉姆语中也是巴拉塔姆。而且马拉雅拉姆语是一种严重梵语化的语言。我们每天都使用梵语词汇。

vpsj
You make a good point. But I think if some people refuse to say "Bharat" as it's a Hindi/Sanskrit word, people who refuse to say "India" because it's a British derived word would be equally justified as well.
I don't agree or disagree with the name change either. It's just political theater and it won't pass because imagine changing the names of SOO many institutions and organizations.

你的观点很好。但我认为,如果有些人因为巴拉特是印地语/梵语词汇而拒绝说它,那么因为“印度”源自英语,人们也同样有理由拒绝说“印度”。我对改名既不同意也不反对。这只是政治表演,它不会通过,因为想象这会改变非常多机构和组织的名字

LocksmithConnect6201
Simply not true, demonetization happened under this guy. It's fucking terrible how we're a poor country and this is how we spend our time, energy & money (Billions). Everything is about PR, Nothing about development. Fuck M*di.

这纯属胡说,废钞就是在这个家伙领导下进行的。我们是一个贫穷的国家,我们却要把时间、精力和金钱(数十亿)花在这上面,这他妈的太可怕了。一切都是为了公关,与发展无关。去他妈的M迪。

AcousticPasta
But "India" doesn't come from the British. It comes from the river Indus.
Even the word "Hindu" is just a mispronunciation of the word "Indu" meant to describe people who live near the Indus river.
If anything, blame Alexander the Great for the name India. It was his people that introduced the world to our people as such. He was Greek/Macedonian

但是“印度”不是源自英国人,它源自印度河Indus。甚至“印度教Hindu”这个词就是“印度Indu”的谐音,意思是生活在印度河附近的人。如果非要怪,那也应该怪亚历山大大帝。是他的人让世界认识了我们。他是希腊/马其顿人。

Qaiser-e-Librandu
Greeks were calling it India before his grandfather had even been born.

在亚历山大大帝祖父出生前,希腊人已经称它为印度了。

_imchetan_
Bharat as concept is older than 2000 years. It's not new. I think it's based on Ramayana's bharat or Mahabharata's bharat who is ancestors of shantnu and all tha kaurav and Pandavas. Later is more probable answer Only issue is why removing India name at all use both name bharat and India. If BJP wants to use Bharat name than use that no issue there but don't remove one name and than change it form every place.

巴拉特作为概念存在于2000多年前。这并不新鲜。我认为它来源于《罗摩衍那》的巴拉特,或《摩诃婆罗多》的巴拉特,后者是shantnu和所有的kaurav族和Pandavas族的祖先。唯一的问题是为什么要完全去除印度这个名字,两种名字巴拉特和印度都用就行了。如果人民党想使用巴拉特这个名称就使用吧,没有问题,但不要删除和统一改掉它。
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CulturalSituation-
"India that is Bharat" If It's already Bharat then what are they trying to do here?

“印度,就是巴拉特”,如果印度已经是巴拉特了,那么他们这里想做什么?

rahulthewall
Remove India.

想删除印度这个词汇。

misconfigbackspace
because the opposition named their alliance I.N.D.I.A.
What a loser.

因为反对党给他们的联盟起了个名字I.N.D.I.A。真是个怂货。

ANIKET_UPADHYAY
Now they will change it to B.H.A.R.A.T.

现在他们会把它改成B.H.A.R.A.T

al_monk
the opposition can rename it to "Bharat Jodo Abhiyan" or something like that, then what will BJP do?

反对党可以改名为“团结巴拉特运动”或类似的名称,那么人民党会怎么办?

playhy
Ban opposition parties from changing their name. /s.

禁止反对党改自己的名字。

Sumeru88
My passport already has both Republic of India as well as Bharat Ganarajya written on it. Doesn't yours?

我的护照上就是同时写着印度共和国和巴拉特甘拿惹亚。你的没有吗?

Indianopolice
But, They want to remove India in total because of I.N.D.I.A.

但是,他们想要完全去掉印度这个词,因为I.N.D.I.A。

Android_Arsenal
What stupidity .. what nonsense ..
So they want to get rid of colonial mindset .. what are they going to do next ban english language ? Stop playing cricket / football ? Remove the railways & postal services.

多么愚蠢,多么无稽之谈。所以他们想摆脱殖民心态,他们接下来要做什么?禁止英语?停止打板球/足球?移除铁路和邮政服务。

globetrotter9999
Dumb, dumber, dumbest.
That's probably the most lamest move by this absurd, incompetent government. The name India is an inalienable sense of identity and source of connectedness for the people of this diverse country whose fates are intertwined together. Watching insecure politicians fiddle with the core identity of the country is infuriating.

愚蠢,更愚蠢,最愚蠢。这可能是这个荒谬无能的莫迪政府最软弱的举动。印度这个名字是这个多元国家人民不可剥夺的认同感和联系源泉,他们的命运交织在一起。眼睁睁看着不安全感的政客摆弄国家的核心认同,让人勃然大怒。

How low can politicians fall for the sake of a few votes? I am surprised at the support of numerous celebrities, BJP politicians and many general folks who seem to have sold their souls and senses to the whims and fancies of a delusional leader.
The charades by this government is infuriating and makes me hate my own religion and fellow countrymen, many of whom seem to support this thoughtless, unimaginable attempt to change the identity of a great country. How low have we fallen!
Modi was supposed to change India but all he could do was make a desperate attempt to change the name of India. And all of it because the opposition's alliance is a play on the word, India.

为了几张选票,政客可以堕落到何种地步?我对众多名人、印度人民党政客和许多普通人的支持感到惊讶,他们似乎已经出卖了自己的灵魂和理智,服从一个妄想症总统的心血来潮。
这种把戏让我对自己的宗教和同胞感到愤怒,他们中的许多人似乎支持这种轻率的、匪夷所思的试图改变一个伟大国家认同的行为。我们已堕落到何种地步!
莫迪本该改变印度,但他所能做的只是设法改变印度的名字。所有这些都是因为在野党联盟是以“印度”这个词命名。

arunm7893
See. This renaming fiasco always come near the elections. So all the boards and what not need to be remade with the new names, and the tender for these inevitably go to their cronies. Secondly, it's the best excuse for them to convert their black money into white.

看,这种改名闹剧总是在选举前出现。所以所有牌子之类的东西需要用新名字重新制作,而这些标牌的订单不可避免地会流向他们的党羽。其次,这是他们将黑钱合法化的最佳借口。

Qaiser-e-Librandu
500 crores is the cost of renaming a city. Removing the word India will cost a lot more.

一个城市改名需要5亿卢比。去掉印度这个词会花更多钱。

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