印尼网友讨论：中美大国竞争之下，印度尼西亚应该选择谁？
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中国大国竞争格局下，靠近中国的东南亚地区，尤其是区域最大国家印度尼西亚，成了双方争夺的焦点，拥有强大经济联系的中国，有着伙伴军事关系的美国，印度尼西亚，该如何选择?
中国大国竞争格局下，靠近中国的东南亚地区，尤其是区域最大国家印度尼西亚，成了双方争夺的焦点，拥有强大经济联系的中国，有着伙伴军事关系的美国，印度尼西亚，该如何选择?
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@pjacobsen1000
For a country of Indonesia's size, it's beneficial to remain independent and neutral. Big countries can do that, for small countries that is much more difficult.
对于一个印尼这样规模的国家来说，保持独立和中立是有好处的。大国可以做到这一点，但对于小国来说，（保持独立和中立）则要困难得多。
For a country of Indonesia's size, it's beneficial to remain independent and neutral. Big countries can do that, for small countries that is much more difficult.
对于一个印尼这样规模的国家来说，保持独立和中立是有好处的。大国可以做到这一点，但对于小国来说，（保持独立和中立）则要困难得多。
@gwapoo
"Friend to all, enemy to none". If only all world leaders think this way, our world will be much better.
“与所有人做朋友的话，那就没有敌人了”。 如果世界各国的领导人都这么想，我们的世界将会变得更加美好。
"Friend to all, enemy to none". If only all world leaders think this way, our world will be much better.
“与所有人做朋友的话，那就没有敌人了”。 如果世界各国的领导人都这么想，我们的世界将会变得更加美好。
@arienlie9219
Indonesia is a large country with the 4th largest population in the world.. if Indonesia does not choose neutral, the possibility of war is very high but if Indonesia remains neutral then Indonesia can be one of the countries that provide solutions when there is chaos between countries... As a big country, Indonesia's political choices will have a huge impact on the world
印度尼西亚是一个拥有世界第四大人口的大国。如果印度尼西亚不选择中立，发生战争的可能性会非常高，但如果印度尼西亚保持中立，那么在（中美）两国发生纷争时，印度尼西亚可以成为提供解决方案的国家之一……作为一个大国，印尼的政治选择将对世界产生巨大影响。
Indonesia is a large country with the 4th largest population in the world.. if Indonesia does not choose neutral, the possibility of war is very high but if Indonesia remains neutral then Indonesia can be one of the countries that provide solutions when there is chaos between countries... As a big country, Indonesia's political choices will have a huge impact on the world
印度尼西亚是一个拥有世界第四大人口的大国。如果印度尼西亚不选择中立，发生战争的可能性会非常高，但如果印度尼西亚保持中立，那么在（中美）两国发生纷争时，印度尼西亚可以成为提供解决方案的国家之一……作为一个大国，印尼的政治选择将对世界产生巨大影响。
@Fida7648
Exactly it's best that Indonesia remain neutral in order to make world peace in midst of ongoing disputes & war happening in some countries
印度尼西亚最好保持中立，以便在一些国家持续不断的争端和战争中帮助实现世界和平。
Exactly it's best that Indonesia remain neutral in order to make world peace in midst of ongoing disputes & war happening in some countries
印度尼西亚最好保持中立，以便在一些国家持续不断的争端和战争中帮助实现世界和平。
@Twilight053
As Indonesian, I still think Indonesia needs to work on their own economic and military power if they want to remain neutral. Like it as not, both China and US are superpowers and given the inclination, they may be able to exert damaging pressure onto Indonesia, whether via coercion (too much economic dependence) or via guns (all out war). If Indonesia wants to remain neutral, they need to be strong both in military power and economical power, or the country will buckle.
作为印度尼西亚人，我仍然认为印度尼西亚如果想保持中立，就需要努力发展自己的经济和军事实力。不管怎样，中国和美国都是超级大国，只要他们想，他们也许可以对印度尼西亚施加破坏性的压力，无论是通过胁迫（过度的经济依赖）还是通过枪支（全面战争）。 如果印度尼西亚想要保持中立，他们需要在军事实力和经济实力上都保持强大，否则他们就只能屈服。
As Indonesian, I still think Indonesia needs to work on their own economic and military power if they want to remain neutral. Like it as not, both China and US are superpowers and given the inclination, they may be able to exert damaging pressure onto Indonesia, whether via coercion (too much economic dependence) or via guns (all out war). If Indonesia wants to remain neutral, they need to be strong both in military power and economical power, or the country will buckle.
作为印度尼西亚人，我仍然认为印度尼西亚如果想保持中立，就需要努力发展自己的经济和军事实力。不管怎样，中国和美国都是超级大国，只要他们想，他们也许可以对印度尼西亚施加破坏性的压力，无论是通过胁迫（过度的经济依赖）还是通过枪支（全面战争）。 如果印度尼西亚想要保持中立，他们需要在军事实力和经济实力上都保持强大，否则他们就只能屈服。
@arienlie9219
Your country has clearly chosen the eastern side
你们国家很明显选择了东方。
Your country has clearly chosen the eastern side
你们国家很明显选择了东方。
@amandjb6837
The way of thinking of Indonesia it's not just a pragmatic. It came from long experience of colonialism. A country where for centuries experience war. From that our founding fathers has declared to be non block or neutral. For Indonesia, coalition is for freedom and friendship not for war.
印度尼西亚的思维方式不仅仅只是务实，还来自于殖民主义时期的长期经验。一个有几个世纪战争经历的国家....从（建国时代）起，我们的开国元首就宣布不结盟或者中立。对于印度尼西亚来说，联盟是为了自由和友谊，而不是为了战争。
The way of thinking of Indonesia it's not just a pragmatic. It came from long experience of colonialism. A country where for centuries experience war. From that our founding fathers has declared to be non block or neutral. For Indonesia, coalition is for freedom and friendship not for war.
印度尼西亚的思维方式不仅仅只是务实，还来自于殖民主义时期的长期经验。一个有几个世纪战争经历的国家....从（建国时代）起，我们的开国元首就宣布不结盟或者中立。对于印度尼西亚来说，联盟是为了自由和友谊，而不是为了战争。
@hyewon_6311
Indonesian president look like Indian
印尼总统看起来像印度人。
Indonesian president look like Indian
印尼总统看起来像印度人。
@hikashia.halfiah3582
@hyewon_6311 maybe because old people's face tend to look similar, if you discount skin color I think. Like most Indonesians would agree old nelson mandela looked like a typical Indonesia, likely javanese, grandpa.
@hyewon_6311 也许吧，因为如果你不考虑肤色的话，老年人的脸往往看起来都很相像。就像大多数印度尼西亚人都会同意的那样，老年的纳尔逊·曼德拉看起来像一个典型的印度尼西亚人（比如爪哇人）的爷爷。
@hyewon_6311 maybe because old people's face tend to look similar, if you discount skin color I think. Like most Indonesians would agree old nelson mandela looked like a typical Indonesia, likely javanese, grandpa.
@hyewon_6311 也许吧，因为如果你不考虑肤色的话，老年人的脸往往看起来都很相像。就像大多数印度尼西亚人都会同意的那样，老年的纳尔逊·曼德拉看起来像一个典型的印度尼西亚人（比如爪哇人）的爷爷。
@vidarodinson5246
Neutral is the best way, and they should not disturb Indonesia. Indonesia will grow strong if they become neutral.
I love US and China, but their gov sometimes makes bad decisions that could hurt us Indonesian.
中立是最好的方式，他们不应该打扰印尼。如果印度尼西亚保持中立，他们就会变得强大。
我爱美国和中国，但他们的政府有时会做出不好的决定，可能会伤害我们印尼人。
Neutral is the best way, and they should not disturb Indonesia. Indonesia will grow strong if they become neutral.
I love US and China, but their gov sometimes makes bad decisions that could hurt us Indonesian.
中立是最好的方式，他们不应该打扰印尼。如果印度尼西亚保持中立，他们就会变得强大。
我爱美国和中国，但他们的政府有时会做出不好的决定，可能会伤害我们印尼人。
@deltequidae1275
For now, it’s best for Indonesia to stay neutral and reap the benefits of this economic war. The question is how long can they sustain these “balanced” relations.
现在，印度尼西亚最好保持中立，并从这场经济战中获益。问题是，他们能够维持这种“平衡”关系多久。
For now, it’s best for Indonesia to stay neutral and reap the benefits of this economic war. The question is how long can they sustain these “balanced” relations.
现在，印度尼西亚最好保持中立，并从这场经济战中获益。问题是，他们能够维持这种“平衡”关系多久。
@lykan337
Same goes with other SEA countries
其他东南亚国家也是如此。
Same goes with other SEA countries
其他东南亚国家也是如此。
@rizaradri316
The government tend to be more towards China for trade and economy, while for military matters we tend to tlean towards the US
政府在贸易和经济方面倾向于中国，而在军事方面我们倾向于美国。
The government tend to be more towards China for trade and economy, while for military matters we tend to tlean towards the US
政府在贸易和经济方面倾向于中国，而在军事方面我们倾向于美国。
@Averageguy20
From Philippines yeah i support your idea we're also neutral because of the past wars
来自菲律宾，是的，我支持你的想法，因为过去的战争，我们也是中立的。
From Philippines yeah i support your idea we're also neutral because of the past wars
来自菲律宾，是的，我支持你的想法，因为过去的战争，我们也是中立的。
@alyandromikaelpedero6549
@lykan337 Unfortunately US and China will use SEA as a battleground nevertheless
@lykan337 但不幸的是，美国和中国会把东南亚作为战场。
@lykan337 Unfortunately US and China will use SEA as a battleground nevertheless
@lykan337 但不幸的是，美国和中国会把东南亚作为战场。
@lalakuma9
Indonesia has always remained more or less neutral since the Cold War. I have my own opinions about US and Chinese governments, but regardless, as an Indonesian I tend to be suspicious of both when they make business deals with Indonesia. I would really like Indonesia to remain pretty neutral so that we don't end up getting colonized/exploited by any other country again.
自冷战以来，印度尼西亚一直或多或少地保持中立。我对美国和中国政府有自己的看法，但无论如何，作为一个印度尼西亚人，当他们与印度尼西亚做交易时，我往往会对他们持怀疑态度。 我真的希望印度尼西亚保持中立，这样我们就不会再次被任何其他国家殖民/剥削。
Indonesia has always remained more or less neutral since the Cold War. I have my own opinions about US and Chinese governments, but regardless, as an Indonesian I tend to be suspicious of both when they make business deals with Indonesia. I would really like Indonesia to remain pretty neutral so that we don't end up getting colonized/exploited by any other country again.
自冷战以来，印度尼西亚一直或多或少地保持中立。我对美国和中国政府有自己的看法，但无论如何，作为一个印度尼西亚人，当他们与印度尼西亚做交易时，我往往会对他们持怀疑态度。 我真的希望印度尼西亚保持中立，这样我们就不会再次被任何其他国家殖民/剥削。
@Jakartaball
If a War breaks out, we would be neutral. Indonesia doesn’t have the Naval capability to hold of an Invasion from either the US or China
如果战争爆发，我们将保持中立。印度尼西亚没有海军能力来抵御美国或中国的入侵。
If a War breaks out, we would be neutral. Indonesia doesn’t have the Naval capability to hold of an Invasion from either the US or China
如果战争爆发，我们将保持中立。印度尼西亚没有海军能力来抵御美国或中国的入侵。
@ykrum5158
Why do pick side if we can benefit from both sides?The other reason is our military cannot compare to those of china or US. In addition, picking side will make our country to be influenced more by either sides, and I know that Indonesians don't want to be puppet of both sides, it's like losing sovereignty.
如果能从双方都得到好处，那为什么还要选边站呢？另一个原因是我们的军队无法与中国或美国相比。另外，选边站队会让我们的国家更多地受到一方的影响，我知道印尼人不想成为双方的傀儡，这就像失去主权一样。
Why do pick side if we can benefit from both sides?The other reason is our military cannot compare to those of china or US. In addition, picking side will make our country to be influenced more by either sides, and I know that Indonesians don't want to be puppet of both sides, it's like losing sovereignty.
如果能从双方都得到好处，那为什么还要选边站呢？另一个原因是我们的军队无法与中国或美国相比。另外，选边站队会让我们的国家更多地受到一方的影响，我知道印尼人不想成为双方的傀儡，这就像失去主权一样。
@Dfathurr
Indeed that Indonesia maintain the connection with many of "rival" altogether. We have both economic ties with USA and China. We shared joint military training with both USA and Russia. We maintain relation with both North and South Korea. Basically we give warm welcome for all who agreed to respect our neutrality .
In fact. The only globally significant nation that Indonesia doesn't have an official relation is Israel, which we did that purely based on solidarity for Palestinian, who did support our independece since the beginning.
事实上，印度尼西亚与很多“对手国家”（同时）保持着联系。我们与美国和中国都有经济联系。我们与美国和俄罗斯进行联合军事训练。我们与朝鲜和韩国都保持着关系。基本上，我们热烈欢迎所有同意尊重我们中立性的国家。
实际上。 印度尼西亚唯一没有建立正式关系的全球重要国家是以色列，我们这样做纯粹是为了声援巴勒斯坦，巴勒斯坦从一开始就支持我们的独立。
Indeed that Indonesia maintain the connection with many of "rival" altogether. We have both economic ties with USA and China. We shared joint military training with both USA and Russia. We maintain relation with both North and South Korea. Basically we give warm welcome for all who agreed to respect our neutrality .
In fact. The only globally significant nation that Indonesia doesn't have an official relation is Israel, which we did that purely based on solidarity for Palestinian, who did support our independece since the beginning.
事实上，印度尼西亚与很多“对手国家”（同时）保持着联系。我们与美国和中国都有经济联系。我们与美国和俄罗斯进行联合军事训练。我们与朝鲜和韩国都保持着关系。基本上，我们热烈欢迎所有同意尊重我们中立性的国家。
实际上。 印度尼西亚唯一没有建立正式关系的全球重要国家是以色列，我们这样做纯粹是为了声援巴勒斯坦，巴勒斯坦从一开始就支持我们的独立。
@srash8854
I quite disagree that we should side with the US if a war happens. Currently, economically we have more benefits with China than the US. We also gain no benefit by antagonising China, or worse, a devastated China.
If China is out, then what will we gain from the US? As far as i am concerned, there was only little benefit by siding to the West for Indonesia. The biggest Western benefactors for us so far are actually Japan and South Korea. So, even ideological wise Indonesia seems to be aligned with the West, it doesn't seem there's a lot to gain by siding with them.
我非常不同意如果发生战争我们应该站在美国一边。 目前，从经济上看，我们从中国得到的好处比从美国得到的好处多。对抗中国，或者更糟糕的是，对抗一个遭受重创的中国，我们也不会获得任何好处。
如果中国出局了，我们从美国能得到什么？就我而言，印度尼西亚向西方靠拢，几乎得不到任何好处。迄今为止，对我们而言恩惠最大的“西方国家”其实是日本和韩国。所以，即使印度尼西亚在意识形态上似乎与西方结盟，但与西方站在一起似乎并没有什么好处。
I quite disagree that we should side with the US if a war happens. Currently, economically we have more benefits with China than the US. We also gain no benefit by antagonising China, or worse, a devastated China.
If China is out, then what will we gain from the US? As far as i am concerned, there was only little benefit by siding to the West for Indonesia. The biggest Western benefactors for us so far are actually Japan and South Korea. So, even ideological wise Indonesia seems to be aligned with the West, it doesn't seem there's a lot to gain by siding with them.
我非常不同意如果发生战争我们应该站在美国一边。 目前，从经济上看，我们从中国得到的好处比从美国得到的好处多。对抗中国，或者更糟糕的是，对抗一个遭受重创的中国，我们也不会获得任何好处。
如果中国出局了，我们从美国能得到什么？就我而言，印度尼西亚向西方靠拢，几乎得不到任何好处。迄今为止，对我们而言恩惠最大的“西方国家”其实是日本和韩国。所以，即使印度尼西亚在意识形态上似乎与西方结盟，但与西方站在一起似乎并没有什么好处。
@landflame
That Indonesia is able to maintain a neutral path between the superpowers is also because of its huge size, both geographically and demographically.
印度尼西亚之所以能够在超级大国之间保持中立，还因为其地理和人口规模巨大。
That Indonesia is able to maintain a neutral path between the superpowers is also because of its huge size, both geographically and demographically.
印度尼西亚之所以能够在超级大国之间保持中立，还因为其地理和人口规模巨大。
@quadeong7453
America claims that they are only protecting their interests but sticks it’s thumb in everyone’s business.
Indonesia meanwhile says they are only protecting their interests and promotes peace and cooperation with its neighbors.
As a Filipino, I salute our friends to the south.
美国声称他们只是保护自己的利益，但却插手每个国家的事情。
与此同时，印度尼西亚表示，他们只会保护自己的利益，并促进与邻国们的和平与合作。
作为一名菲律宾人，我向南方的朋友们致敬。
America claims that they are only protecting their interests but sticks it’s thumb in everyone’s business.
Indonesia meanwhile says they are only protecting their interests and promotes peace and cooperation with its neighbors.
As a Filipino, I salute our friends to the south.
美国声称他们只是保护自己的利益，但却插手每个国家的事情。
与此同时，印度尼西亚表示，他们只会保护自己的利益，并促进与邻国们的和平与合作。
作为一名菲律宾人，我向南方的朋友们致敬。
@zakaryloreto6526
I think Indonesia have potential to become a great power or mini superpower in the future, if so they can stay out of these conflicts and create a bloc of their own, most likely the other ASEAN nations.
我认为印度尼西亚有潜力在未来成为一个大国或迷你超级大国，如果这样的话，他们就可以置身于这些冲突之外，并创建一个自己的集团，最有可能是（联合）其他的东盟国家。
I think Indonesia have potential to become a great power or mini superpower in the future, if so they can stay out of these conflicts and create a bloc of their own, most likely the other ASEAN nations.
我认为印度尼西亚有潜力在未来成为一个大国或迷你超级大国，如果这样的话，他们就可以置身于这些冲突之外，并创建一个自己的集团，最有可能是（联合）其他的东盟国家。
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