国外QA上帝为什么创造我们?
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Anonymous
Why did god create us?
God has not created us. But some wise men created God. (Because Mankind needed God..!)
How?
In the earlier days, there were no Gods and no religions. People were living like just another animals.
Some wise men invented some story about hell and heaven. If you do bad things you will go to hell; if you will do good things you will go to heaven.
People started to fear doing bad things to each other and the human community grows up. Civilization is made up.
The wise men of different civilizations made their own story of their own God. This is how different religious came to exist.
We created God. God hasn't created us. Nature has created us. We are just another creation of Nature just like animals and birds...
Some quote from comment which i like most.
"When humans were in their primitive stage, they were not able to understand the magics of science and nature, even very small things like rain, sunrise, sunset etc. They didn't know anything about the diseases and the ways to cure a diseased person.
These things inspired awe. So they started believing that there is some supernatural power which is responsible for all these uncomprehensible phenomenons. Some wise men related all these happenings to a supreme power which is out of the reach of humans. This led to the creation of god which was then used by some others to induce fear in the minds of people and to use it to their own advantage."
上帝为什么创造我们？
上帝并没有创造我们，但一些智者创造了上帝。（因为人类需要上帝！）
怎样回事？
在早期，没有神，也没有宗教。人们就像另一种动物一样生活着。
一些智者编造了一些关于地狱和天堂的故事。如果你做了坏事，（死后）就会下地狱；如果你做好事，（死后）就会上天堂。
人们开始害怕对彼此做坏事，人类社会也随之发展，开始虚构文明。
不同文明的智者都有自己的上帝故事。这就是不同宗教的存在方式。
我们创造了上帝；上帝没有创造我们，是大自然创造了我们。我们只是大自然的另一个创造物，就像动物和鸟类一样。
引用一些我最喜欢的评论。
“当人类处于原始阶段时，他们无法理解科学和自然的魔力，即使是下雨、日出、日落等很基础的事情，也无法理解。他们对疾病和治愈病人的方法一无所知。
这些事情令人敬畏。因此，他们开始相信，有某种超自然的力量对所有这些无法理解的现象负有责任。一些智者将所有这些事件与人类无法企及的至高无上的力量联系起来。这导致人们创造出来上帝，然后上帝被其他一些人用来在人们心中引发恐惧，并将其用于自己的利益。“
Anonymous
Why did god create us?
God has not created us. But some wise men created God. (Because Mankind needed God..!)
How?
In the earlier days, there were no Gods and no religions. People were living like just another animals.
Some wise men invented some story about hell and heaven. If you do bad things you will go to hell; if you will do good things you will go to heaven.
People started to fear doing bad things to each other and the human community grows up. Civilization is made up.
The wise men of different civilizations made their own story of their own God. This is how different religious came to exist.
We created God. God hasn't created us. Nature has created us. We are just another creation of Nature just like animals and birds...
Some quote from comment which i like most.
"When humans were in their primitive stage, they were not able to understand the magics of science and nature, even very small things like rain, sunrise, sunset etc. They didn't know anything about the diseases and the ways to cure a diseased person.
These things inspired awe. So they started believing that there is some supernatural power which is responsible for all these uncomprehensible phenomenons. Some wise men related all these happenings to a supreme power which is out of the reach of humans. This led to the creation of god which was then used by some others to induce fear in the minds of people and to use it to their own advantage."
上帝为什么创造我们？
上帝并没有创造我们，但一些智者创造了上帝。（因为人类需要上帝！）
怎样回事？
在早期，没有神，也没有宗教。人们就像另一种动物一样生活着。
一些智者编造了一些关于地狱和天堂的故事。如果你做了坏事，（死后）就会下地狱；如果你做好事，（死后）就会上天堂。
人们开始害怕对彼此做坏事，人类社会也随之发展，开始虚构文明。
不同文明的智者都有自己的上帝故事。这就是不同宗教的存在方式。
我们创造了上帝；上帝没有创造我们，是大自然创造了我们。我们只是大自然的另一个创造物，就像动物和鸟类一样。
引用一些我最喜欢的评论。
“当人类处于原始阶段时，他们无法理解科学和自然的魔力，即使是下雨、日出、日落等很基础的事情，也无法理解。他们对疾病和治愈病人的方法一无所知。
这些事情令人敬畏。因此，他们开始相信，有某种超自然的力量对所有这些无法理解的现象负有责任。一些智者将所有这些事件与人类无法企及的至高无上的力量联系起来。这导致人们创造出来上帝，然后上帝被其他一些人用来在人们心中引发恐惧，并将其用于自己的利益。“
Abbas Abbasi
Why did god created us ?
You got it backwards. We created God.
It’s like saying why did Kami create Goku? Kami did no such a thing. We created both Kami and Goku.
We created God for our own purposes of power and control. It’s like creating fiction to make sense of things that are beyond our understanding (e.g., what is the meaning of life? Why is there something rather than nothing? What is the meaning of my existence? Why is there suffering?).
Suffering is part of system of nature. Since we are part of nature we also suffer. There is nothing supernatural about it.
上帝为什么创造我们？
你倒过来了，是我们创造了上帝。
这就像在说为什么神道教的神（Kami ）创造了悟空？Kami 没有做这样的事。是我们创造了卡米和悟空。
我们创造上帝是为了我们自己的权力和控制。这就像创作小说来理解我们无法理解的事情（例如，生命的意义是什么？为什么有东西存在而不是什么都没有？我存在的意义是哪里？为什么会痛苦？）。
痛苦是自然系统的一部分。既然我们是大自然的一部分，我们也会受苦。这并不是什么超自然之处。
Why did god created us ?
You got it backwards. We created God.
It’s like saying why did Kami create Goku? Kami did no such a thing. We created both Kami and Goku.
We created God for our own purposes of power and control. It’s like creating fiction to make sense of things that are beyond our understanding (e.g., what is the meaning of life? Why is there something rather than nothing? What is the meaning of my existence? Why is there suffering?).
Suffering is part of system of nature. Since we are part of nature we also suffer. There is nothing supernatural about it.
上帝为什么创造我们？
你倒过来了，是我们创造了上帝。
这就像在说为什么神道教的神（Kami ）创造了悟空？Kami 没有做这样的事。是我们创造了卡米和悟空。
我们创造上帝是为了我们自己的权力和控制。这就像创作小说来理解我们无法理解的事情（例如，生命的意义是什么？为什么有东西存在而不是什么都没有？我存在的意义是哪里？为什么会痛苦？）。
痛苦是自然系统的一部分。既然我们是大自然的一部分，我们也会受苦。这并不是什么超自然之处。
Robbie Campbell
If God created the universe, then who created God? And who created the creator of God?
I always liked Asimov’s answer from one of his short stories. Basically, though a work of fiction, it goes like this…
Man creates an artificial intelligence that remains benevolent and assists all humanity. One day, a child is learning about thermodynamics in school and ponders the ultimate question…”What happens after the Universe suffers Thermodynamic Heat Death?” So he asks his computer. The reply is “Sorry, I do not have enough data to answer that question.” Centuries later, a family is on vacation in a distant galaxy and the same question arises, so the family asks the computer, which has continuously upgraded itself over the years. The reply, however is the same, “Sorry, not enough data.”
如果上帝创造了宇宙，那么谁创造了上帝？谁创造了上帝的创造者？
我一直很喜欢阿西莫夫（Asimov）短篇小说中的回答。基本上，虽然这是一部小说，但它是这样的。
人类创造了一种人工智能，它保持仁慈并帮助全人类。一天，一个孩子在学校学习热力学，思考着一个终极问题：“宇宙遭受热力学热寂之后会发生什么？”于是他问他的电脑。答案是“对不起，我没有足够的数据来回答这个问题。”几个世纪后，一家人在遥远的星系度假，同样的问题出现了，所以这家人问了电脑，多年来电脑一直在升级。然而，回复是一样的，“对不起，数据不够。”
If God created the universe, then who created God? And who created the creator of God?
I always liked Asimov’s answer from one of his short stories. Basically, though a work of fiction, it goes like this…
Man creates an artificial intelligence that remains benevolent and assists all humanity. One day, a child is learning about thermodynamics in school and ponders the ultimate question…”What happens after the Universe suffers Thermodynamic Heat Death?” So he asks his computer. The reply is “Sorry, I do not have enough data to answer that question.” Centuries later, a family is on vacation in a distant galaxy and the same question arises, so the family asks the computer, which has continuously upgraded itself over the years. The reply, however is the same, “Sorry, not enough data.”
如果上帝创造了宇宙，那么谁创造了上帝？谁创造了上帝的创造者？
我一直很喜欢阿西莫夫（Asimov）短篇小说中的回答。基本上，虽然这是一部小说，但它是这样的。
人类创造了一种人工智能，它保持仁慈并帮助全人类。一天，一个孩子在学校学习热力学，思考着一个终极问题：“宇宙遭受热力学热寂之后会发生什么？”于是他问他的电脑。答案是“对不起，我没有足够的数据来回答这个问题。”几个世纪后，一家人在遥远的星系度假，同样的问题出现了，所以这家人问了电脑，多年来电脑一直在升级。然而，回复是一样的，“对不起，数据不够。”
The computer has been asked this question countless times and continuous to attempt to calculate an answer to no avail. Finally, humanity spreads throughout the galaxy, then the universe using the computer, which now exists in subspace or another dimension outside of our spacetime . Humanity exists in both physical and virtual form and uses the computer to explore our universe. Two friends meet inside the virtual world and decide to visit what was once earth, now a dead solar system with a white dwarf at the center. The same question arises, with the same answer, “Not enough data.” Eventually, the Universe dwindles to the point where there is no more energy available to do work, AKA, maximum entropy or thermodynamic death. Using the last available energy, humanity uploads itself into the AI. As the last mind is uploading, the AI continues to ponder the question, still, with no answer. Year go buy and the last fundamental particles in the universe have spread so far that even the black holes have evaporated and the iron stars have even disintegrated. The computer finally calculates the answer, so the computer says…
“Let there be light!”
计算机被问了无数次这个问题，并不断试图计算出答案，但都无济于事。最后，人类在整个星系中传播，然后使用计算机在宇宙中传播，现在存在于子空间或我们时空之外的另一个维度。人类以物理和虚拟的形式存在，并利用计算机探索我们的宇宙。两个朋友在虚拟世界中相遇，决定参观曾经的地球，现在是一个以白矮星为中心的已经处于热寂状态的太阳系。同样的问题也出现了，答案相同，“数据不足”。最终，宇宙缩小到没有更多的能量可以做功的地步，也就是最大熵或热力学热寂。利用最后可用的能量，人类将自己上传到人工智能中。当最后的思想上传时，人工智能继续思考这个问题，但没有答案。一年过去了，宇宙中最后的基本粒子已经扩散到非常之远，甚至黑洞也蒸发了，铁星甚至解体了。计算机最终计算出了答案，所以计算机说“让那里有光！”
“Let there be light!”
计算机被问了无数次这个问题，并不断试图计算出答案，但都无济于事。最后，人类在整个星系中传播，然后使用计算机在宇宙中传播，现在存在于子空间或我们时空之外的另一个维度。人类以物理和虚拟的形式存在，并利用计算机探索我们的宇宙。两个朋友在虚拟世界中相遇，决定参观曾经的地球，现在是一个以白矮星为中心的已经处于热寂状态的太阳系。同样的问题也出现了，答案相同，“数据不足”。最终，宇宙缩小到没有更多的能量可以做功的地步，也就是最大熵或热力学热寂。利用最后可用的能量，人类将自己上传到人工智能中。当最后的思想上传时，人工智能继续思考这个问题，但没有答案。一年过去了，宇宙中最后的基本粒子已经扩散到非常之远，甚至黑洞也蒸发了，铁星甚至解体了。计算机最终计算出了答案，所以计算机说“让那里有光！”
Murari Das
Why, when and how did God create us? What if some of us don't like that HE created us?
We were not created, we have existed as long as God has existed because we are a part of God. Since God is eternal we have also existed eternally.
We have fingers, now if one of our fingers was able to think independently it might think why am I a part of this body? Do I want to be a part of this body? I will deny that a body exists and act independently and do whatever I want.
How is it possible? The finger is a part of the body. As long as it’s connected to the body it’s maintained by the body and has a function. If it were to be severed from the body it would be useless as a finger, it is only useful as a finger when connected.
上帝为何、何时以及如何创造我们？如果我们中的一些人不喜欢上帝创造出我们呢？
我们并非被创造出来，我们存在的时间与上帝一样长，因为我们是上帝的一部分。由于上帝是永恒的，我们也是永恒存在的。
我们有手指，现在假设我们的一个手指能够独立思考，它可能会想，为什么我是这个身体的一部分？我想成为这个身体的一部分吗？我将否认身体的存在，独立行动，做任何我想做的事情。
这怎么可能呢？手指是身体的一部分。只要连接到身体，它就由身体维持并具有相关功能。如果它与身体分离，它将毫无用处，作为手指只有在连接到身体时才有用。
Why, when and how did God create us? What if some of us don't like that HE created us?
We were not created, we have existed as long as God has existed because we are a part of God. Since God is eternal we have also existed eternally.
We have fingers, now if one of our fingers was able to think independently it might think why am I a part of this body? Do I want to be a part of this body? I will deny that a body exists and act independently and do whatever I want.
How is it possible? The finger is a part of the body. As long as it’s connected to the body it’s maintained by the body and has a function. If it were to be severed from the body it would be useless as a finger, it is only useful as a finger when connected.
上帝为何、何时以及如何创造我们？如果我们中的一些人不喜欢上帝创造出我们呢？
我们并非被创造出来，我们存在的时间与上帝一样长，因为我们是上帝的一部分。由于上帝是永恒的，我们也是永恒存在的。
我们有手指，现在假设我们的一个手指能够独立思考，它可能会想，为什么我是这个身体的一部分？我想成为这个身体的一部分吗？我将否认身体的存在，独立行动，做任何我想做的事情。
这怎么可能呢？手指是身体的一部分。只要连接到身体，它就由身体维持并具有相关功能。如果它与身体分离，它将毫无用处，作为手指只有在连接到身体时才有用。
We are eternally part of the Supreme, but if we aren’t happy with this situation then we lose sight of that connection and think we are separate. That is called illusion. In this illusion, we think we can enjoy separately from Krishna. This is like a finger thinking it can nourish itself by sticking itself in some rice. It’s not possible. The finger has to convey the rice to the mouth and then from there, it goes to the stomach and then the finger will get nourishment.
Our senses become enlivened and nourished by serving Krishna’s senses. If we try to ‘go our own way’ we will always be frustrated because that’s not the way things are designed. We are allowed to do it because we want to, but it will never work.
If you are feeling disturbed that you exist, that is natural if you are intelligent. What’s the point? Why am I here? Who is this God? What does He have to do with me?
我们永远是“至高无上者”的一部分，但如果我们对这种状况不满意，那么我们就会失去对那种联系的认识，认为自己是分离的。这被称为幻觉。在这个幻觉中，我们认为我们可以独立于克利须那神享受。这就像手指认为它可以通过把自己插进一些米饭中来滋养自己，这是不可能的。手指必须将米饭传递到口中，然后从那里，进入胃，然后手指才能得到滋养。
我们的感官通过服务克利须那神的感官而变得生动和得到滋养。如果我们试图“走自己的路”，我们将始终感到沮丧，因为事物并非按照这种方式设计的。我们之所以被允许这样做，是因为我们想要，但这永远不会奏效。
如果你因为你的存在而感到不安，如果你是聪明的，那是很自然的。这有什么意义呢？我为什么在这里？这位上帝是谁？他与我有什么关系？
Our senses become enlivened and nourished by serving Krishna’s senses. If we try to ‘go our own way’ we will always be frustrated because that’s not the way things are designed. We are allowed to do it because we want to, but it will never work.
If you are feeling disturbed that you exist, that is natural if you are intelligent. What’s the point? Why am I here? Who is this God? What does He have to do with me?
我们永远是“至高无上者”的一部分，但如果我们对这种状况不满意，那么我们就会失去对那种联系的认识，认为自己是分离的。这被称为幻觉。在这个幻觉中，我们认为我们可以独立于克利须那神享受。这就像手指认为它可以通过把自己插进一些米饭中来滋养自己，这是不可能的。手指必须将米饭传递到口中，然后从那里，进入胃，然后手指才能得到滋养。
我们的感官通过服务克利须那神的感官而变得生动和得到滋养。如果我们试图“走自己的路”，我们将始终感到沮丧，因为事物并非按照这种方式设计的。我们之所以被允许这样做，是因为我们想要，但这永远不会奏效。
如果你因为你的存在而感到不安，如果你是聪明的，那是很自然的。这有什么意义呢？我为什么在这里？这位上帝是谁？他与我有什么关系？
These are all intelligent questions, and when a person can’t find intelligent answers to them they become frustrated and angry and often end up atheists.
There is no need for this. A little humility is needed and then one should approach someone who understands the truth about God. One should read Bhagavad Gita As It Is and understand the nature of oneself, the nature of the Absolute and one’s connection with Him. Then one can understand the material world - what it is and how it works.
这些都是聪明的问题，当一个人找不到聪明的答案时，他们会变得沮丧和愤怒，最后往往会成为无神论者。
这是没有必要的。需要一点谦卑，然后去找一个了解有关上帝真相的人。人们应该阅读《薄伽梵歌》并了解自己的本性，绝对的本性以及与他的联系。然后，人们可以理解物质世界——它是什么，它是如何运作的。
There is no need for this. A little humility is needed and then one should approach someone who understands the truth about God. One should read Bhagavad Gita As It Is and understand the nature of oneself, the nature of the Absolute and one’s connection with Him. Then one can understand the material world - what it is and how it works.
这些都是聪明的问题，当一个人找不到聪明的答案时，他们会变得沮丧和愤怒，最后往往会成为无神论者。
这是没有必要的。需要一点谦卑，然后去找一个了解有关上帝真相的人。人们应该阅读《薄伽梵歌》并了解自己的本性，绝对的本性以及与他的联系。然后，人们可以理解物质世界——它是什么，它是如何运作的。
Rob Weir
Why did God create us? For his own pleasure? As God, shouldn't he already be infinitely happy?
Take a dog. Imagine (for sake of argument) that canine emotions are limited to urges to eat and procreate. A group of dogs get together and debate why humans own dogs, why they feed and take care of them.
"Surely," says the first, "they do this because they want to eat us." "Well," says the second, "that is certainly better than the alternative!"
Thus the dangers of ascribing the range and limitations of canine motivations to humans, or human motivations to gods.
上帝为什么创造我们？为了他自己的快乐？作为上帝，难道他不应该已经无限快乐了吗？
比如一只狗：想象一下(为了讨论起见)狗的情感仅限于进食和繁殖的冲动。。一群狗聚在一起，争论人类为什么养狗，为什么喂养和照顾它们。
“当然喂养和照顾我们”第一条狗说，“他们这样做是因为他们想吃掉我们。”“好吧”第二条狗说，”这肯定比其他选择更好！”
因此，将犬类动机的范围和局限性归咎于人类，或将人类动机归咎于神，都是危险的。
Why did God create us? For his own pleasure? As God, shouldn't he already be infinitely happy?
Take a dog. Imagine (for sake of argument) that canine emotions are limited to urges to eat and procreate. A group of dogs get together and debate why humans own dogs, why they feed and take care of them.
"Surely," says the first, "they do this because they want to eat us." "Well," says the second, "that is certainly better than the alternative!"
Thus the dangers of ascribing the range and limitations of canine motivations to humans, or human motivations to gods.
上帝为什么创造我们？为了他自己的快乐？作为上帝，难道他不应该已经无限快乐了吗？
比如一只狗：想象一下(为了讨论起见)狗的情感仅限于进食和繁殖的冲动。。一群狗聚在一起，争论人类为什么养狗，为什么喂养和照顾它们。
“当然喂养和照顾我们”第一条狗说，“他们这样做是因为他们想吃掉我们。”“好吧”第二条狗说，”这肯定比其他选择更好！”
因此，将犬类动机的范围和局限性归咎于人类，或将人类动机归咎于神，都是危险的。
Jahnu Das
Do believers have an explanation regarding WHY their god created mankind?
Krishna says:
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and prim. He is not slain when the body is slain.
So mankind wasn’t created. God is eternal and so is His energy - the soul. It’s like the sun emanating an infinite number of particles of light. So if the sun is God, a photon of light is the soul. The sun is inseparable from it’s energy - light. The soul is described as atomic spark of God’s consciousness.
Something doesn't become factual because it says so in some scxture or because someone believes it. But something becomes factual by being eternal, transmitted knowledge descended in an intact disciplic succession - knowledge that can be investigated and confirmed by the proper method.
信徒们能解释为什么他们的上帝创造了人类吗?
克利须那神说：
对于灵魂来说，在任何时候都没有生与死。他还没有形成，没有形成，也不会形成。他是未出生的，永恒的，永远存在的和原始的。当身体死去时，它不会被杀死。
所以人类并非被创造出来。上帝是永恒的，他的能量是永恒——灵魂也是永恒。这就好比太阳发出无限数量的光子。如果太阳是上帝，那么光子就是灵魂。太阳与它的能量——光是不可分离的。灵魂被描述为上帝意识的原子火花。
某事之所以成为事实并不是因为它在某些经文中这样说，或者因为有人相信它。但是，某些东西是永恒的，通过完整的学科继承传承下来的知识，可以通过适当的方法进行调查和证实，从而成为事实。
Do believers have an explanation regarding WHY their god created mankind?
Krishna says:
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and prim. He is not slain when the body is slain.
So mankind wasn’t created. God is eternal and so is His energy - the soul. It’s like the sun emanating an infinite number of particles of light. So if the sun is God, a photon of light is the soul. The sun is inseparable from it’s energy - light. The soul is described as atomic spark of God’s consciousness.
Something doesn't become factual because it says so in some scxture or because someone believes it. But something becomes factual by being eternal, transmitted knowledge descended in an intact disciplic succession - knowledge that can be investigated and confirmed by the proper method.
信徒们能解释为什么他们的上帝创造了人类吗?
克利须那神说：
对于灵魂来说，在任何时候都没有生与死。他还没有形成，没有形成，也不会形成。他是未出生的，永恒的，永远存在的和原始的。当身体死去时，它不会被杀死。
所以人类并非被创造出来。上帝是永恒的，他的能量是永恒——灵魂也是永恒。这就好比太阳发出无限数量的光子。如果太阳是上帝，那么光子就是灵魂。太阳与它的能量——光是不可分离的。灵魂被描述为上帝意识的原子火花。
某事之所以成为事实并不是因为它在某些经文中这样说，或者因为有人相信它。但是，某些东西是永恒的，通过完整的学科继承传承下来的知识，可以通过适当的方法进行调查和证实，从而成为事实。
In the Vedic tradition there are 3 reference points to secure that the theology is right - guru, sadhu and shastra - ie. the spiritual master, the tradition and the scxtures. For something to be factual these 3 must correspond. Besides that, the Vedic Version offers a scientific process by which one can investigate the philosophy and have it confirmed.
In the modern natural science the obxt of study is matter and nothing else. One observes and studies matter in its endless variations and interactions. In the spiritual science, consciousness is the obxt of study - one studies the influence of matter on the consciosness and the mind. So in the spiritual science consciousness is the obxt of investigation. One does not limit one's studies to that which is outside of oneself.
That's why the spiritual science is superior to material science. Material science is not sufficient to describe and understand the reality we live in.
And why is this so? Because none of the natural sciences have anything sensible to say about our conscious experience of the world. They only tell us about matter, they say nothing about our experience of matter. And it is our conscious awareness of the world which is the most fundamental aspect of the reality we live in.
在吠陀传统中，有三个用来确保神学正确的参考点——古鲁（灵性导师）、萨杜（传统）和印度教圣典——也就是灵性导师、传统和经典。要使某件事成为事实，这三者必须相对应。除此之外，吠陀版本提供了一个科学的过程，人们可以通过它来研究哲学并得到证实。
在现代自然科学中，研究的对象是物质而不是别的。一个人观察和研究无穷无尽的变化和相互作用中的物质。在灵性科学中，意识是研究的对象——人们研究物质对意识和心灵的影响。因此，在灵性科学中，意识是调查的对象。人们不将研究限制在自己之外的事物。
这就是为什么灵性科学优于物质科学的原因。物质科学不足以描述和理解我们生活的现实。
为什么会这样呢?因为没有一门自然科学对我们对世界的有意识体验有任何合理的说法。它们只告诉我们关于物质的事，对我们对物质的体验一无所知。我们对世界的意识的认识是我们生活的现实中最基本的方面。
In the modern natural science the obxt of study is matter and nothing else. One observes and studies matter in its endless variations and interactions. In the spiritual science, consciousness is the obxt of study - one studies the influence of matter on the consciosness and the mind. So in the spiritual science consciousness is the obxt of investigation. One does not limit one's studies to that which is outside of oneself.
That's why the spiritual science is superior to material science. Material science is not sufficient to describe and understand the reality we live in.
And why is this so? Because none of the natural sciences have anything sensible to say about our conscious experience of the world. They only tell us about matter, they say nothing about our experience of matter. And it is our conscious awareness of the world which is the most fundamental aspect of the reality we live in.
在吠陀传统中，有三个用来确保神学正确的参考点——古鲁（灵性导师）、萨杜（传统）和印度教圣典——也就是灵性导师、传统和经典。要使某件事成为事实，这三者必须相对应。除此之外，吠陀版本提供了一个科学的过程，人们可以通过它来研究哲学并得到证实。
在现代自然科学中，研究的对象是物质而不是别的。一个人观察和研究无穷无尽的变化和相互作用中的物质。在灵性科学中，意识是研究的对象——人们研究物质对意识和心灵的影响。因此，在灵性科学中，意识是调查的对象。人们不将研究限制在自己之外的事物。
这就是为什么灵性科学优于物质科学的原因。物质科学不足以描述和理解我们生活的现实。
为什么会这样呢?因为没有一门自然科学对我们对世界的有意识体验有任何合理的说法。它们只告诉我们关于物质的事，对我们对物质的体验一无所知。我们对世界的意识的认识是我们生活的现实中最基本的方面。
Only the spiritual science can help us understand the self and its relation to the world and God. Therefore Krishna says:
Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth. (Bg 10.33)
Some people claim they don't need God to tell them what is right or wrong.
只有灵性科学可以帮助我们理解自我及其与世界和上帝的关系。因此，克里须那说：
在所有的创造物中，我是开始、结局，也是中间，阿尔朱纳。在所有的科学中，我是关于自我的灵性科学，而在逻辑学家中，我是确定的真理。（《恒久歌》10.33）
有些人声称他们不需要上帝告诉他们什么是对的或错的。
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Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth. (Bg 10.33)
Some people claim they don't need God to tell them what is right or wrong.
只有灵性科学可以帮助我们理解自我及其与世界和上帝的关系。因此，克里须那说：
在所有的创造物中，我是开始、结局，也是中间，阿尔朱纳。在所有的科学中，我是关于自我的灵性科学，而在逻辑学家中，我是确定的真理。（《恒久歌》10.33）
有些人声称他们不需要上帝告诉他们什么是对的或错的。
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But if not God, we then have society, the law, family, parents, tradition, culture etc., to tell us the difference between right and wrong. Or we have our own minds to tell what we can or cannot do, but again that is based on what we have learned from others.
So it is merely a question of who we choose as our authority. Everyone has learned what is right or wrong by the culture they grew up in. Otherwise how do we know what's what?
Some claim they themselves can decide that, it's something you can feel, they say. But if one is one's own authority it's the same as no authority.
但如果没有上帝，那么我们有社会、法律、家庭、父母、传统、文化等来告诉我们对和错的区别。或者我们有自己的心灵来告诉我们什么是可以做或不可以做的，但这同样是基于我们从他人那里学到的。
所以这只是一个我们选择谁作为权威的问题。每个人都从他们成长的文化中学会了什么是对的，什么是错的。否则我们怎么知道什么是什么?
有些人声称他们自己可以决定，他们说，这是你能感觉到的东西。但如果一个人有自己的权威，那就等于没有权威。
So it is merely a question of who we choose as our authority. Everyone has learned what is right or wrong by the culture they grew up in. Otherwise how do we know what's what?
Some claim they themselves can decide that, it's something you can feel, they say. But if one is one's own authority it's the same as no authority.
但如果没有上帝，那么我们有社会、法律、家庭、父母、传统、文化等来告诉我们对和错的区别。或者我们有自己的心灵来告诉我们什么是可以做或不可以做的，但这同样是基于我们从他人那里学到的。
所以这只是一个我们选择谁作为权威的问题。每个人都从他们成长的文化中学会了什么是对的，什么是错的。否则我们怎么知道什么是什么?
有些人声称他们自己可以决定，他们说，这是你能感觉到的东西。但如果一个人有自己的权威，那就等于没有权威。
If it is merely up to the mind to tell us what is right or wrong, then anything can be right or wrong. Then it doesn't matter what we do, because we can always justify it in our own minds. And how can we be sure, what the mind tells us is right? How do we decide if what our feelings tell us is right? I mean, what if some psycho feels the impulse to attack people in the mall with a base-ball bat, is it then ok? If we are our own authority, it must be ok, right?
The real fact of the matter is that we wouldn't even know that 2 plus 2 is 4 if someone hadn't taught us, and they wouldn't know if someone hadn't taught them and so on. Mathematics is not something one speculates into being. It's something we learn from others as we grow up. We wouldn't know much of anything if someone hadn't taught us. Animals don't know that 2 plus 2 is 4 and they also couldn't care less.
So in the same way that we know 2 plus 2 is 4, ie. by learning it from someone who knows, we can also know who God is and the meaning and purpose of all things - by learning from those who know. And who knows God and the meaning of all things? The sages of the Vedic culture know these things, and their knowledge has been transmitted down through the ages via the disciplic succession. It's as simple as that.
如果仅仅由心灵来告诉我们什么是对或错，那么任何事情都可以是对或错。那么我们做什么都无所谓了，因为我们总能在自己的脑海里为它辩护。我们怎么能确定，心灵告诉我们的是正确的呢?我们如何决定我们的感觉告诉我们的是正确的？我是说，如果有个疯子想在商场里用棒球棒攻击别人，那是可以的吗?如果我们是我们自己的权威，那肯定没问题，对吧?
事实是，如果没有人教我们，我们甚至不知道2 + 2 = 4，如果没有人教他们，他们也不知道，以此类推。数学不是靠推测而产生的东西。这是我们在成长过程中从别人那里学到的东西。如果不是有人教我们，我们什么都不会知道。动物不知道2加2等于4，它们也不在乎。
同样地，我们知道2 + 2 = 4。通过向有知识的人学习，我们也可以知道上帝是谁，以及万物的意义和目的——通过向那些有知识的人学习。谁知道上帝和万物的意义呢?吠陀文化的圣贤们知道这些事情，他们的知识通过学科的传承代代相传。就是这么简单。
The real fact of the matter is that we wouldn't even know that 2 plus 2 is 4 if someone hadn't taught us, and they wouldn't know if someone hadn't taught them and so on. Mathematics is not something one speculates into being. It's something we learn from others as we grow up. We wouldn't know much of anything if someone hadn't taught us. Animals don't know that 2 plus 2 is 4 and they also couldn't care less.
So in the same way that we know 2 plus 2 is 4, ie. by learning it from someone who knows, we can also know who God is and the meaning and purpose of all things - by learning from those who know. And who knows God and the meaning of all things? The sages of the Vedic culture know these things, and their knowledge has been transmitted down through the ages via the disciplic succession. It's as simple as that.
如果仅仅由心灵来告诉我们什么是对或错，那么任何事情都可以是对或错。那么我们做什么都无所谓了，因为我们总能在自己的脑海里为它辩护。我们怎么能确定，心灵告诉我们的是正确的呢?我们如何决定我们的感觉告诉我们的是正确的？我是说，如果有个疯子想在商场里用棒球棒攻击别人，那是可以的吗?如果我们是我们自己的权威，那肯定没问题，对吧?
事实是，如果没有人教我们，我们甚至不知道2 + 2 = 4，如果没有人教他们，他们也不知道，以此类推。数学不是靠推测而产生的东西。这是我们在成长过程中从别人那里学到的东西。如果不是有人教我们，我们什么都不会知道。动物不知道2加2等于4，它们也不在乎。
同样地，我们知道2 + 2 = 4。通过向有知识的人学习，我们也可以知道上帝是谁，以及万物的意义和目的——通过向那些有知识的人学习。谁知道上帝和万物的意义呢?吠陀文化的圣贤们知道这些事情，他们的知识通过学科的传承代代相传。就是这么简单。
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