华为新推出的手机的放大摄像头功能是一场隐私和监控噩梦（Bessma Momani推特评论）
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Huawei’s new zoom-in camera phone feature is a privacy and surveillance nightmare.
华为新推出的手机的放大摄像头功能是一场隐私和监控噩梦（Bessma Momani推特评论）
Looks like my tweet got me mentioned in China’s Global Times. It says many foreign netizens don't take it seriously and then made fun of my comments. Then it turned to how Huawei is being treated very unfairly in the West....Cry me a river....
看来我的推特在中国《环球时报》上被提到了。它说许多外国网民调侃它，然后取笑我的评论。然后它转向了华为在西方受到的不公平待遇……让我大哭一场……
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Huawei’s new zoom-in camera phone feature is a privacy and surveillance nightmare.
华为新推出的手机的放大摄像头功能是一场隐私和监控噩梦（Bessma Momani推特评论）
Looks like my tweet got me mentioned in China’s Global Times. It says many foreign netizens don't take it seriously and then made fun of my comments. Then it turned to how Huawei is being treated very unfairly in the West....Cry me a river....
看来我的推特在中国《环球时报》上被提到了。它说许多外国网民调侃它，然后取笑我的评论。然后它转向了华为在西方受到的不公平待遇……让我大哭一场……
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Looks like a great feature. If it were on the #iPhone you'd all be raving, instead you're raging because it's #huawei
看起来是个很棒的功能。如果是在iPhone上的话，你们都会疯狂，相反，你就会怒不可遏，因为它是华为
That is evil, scary and wrong! I want one!
那是邪恶的，可怕的，错误的！我想要一个！
I want one too!
我也想要一个！
Me too!
我也是！
HMM. I guess that's true, the same way telescopes have been a privacy/surveillance nightmare in the past centuries?
嗯，我想这是真的，就像过去几个世纪望远镜一直是隐私/监视的噩梦一样是吗？
Ah yes, the telescope. That highly portable device no modern person leaves home without
啊，是的，望远镜。这是现代人离开家时必不可少的高度便携的设备。
[copy]With its built in recording and broadcasting capabilities. Yes, we have Galileo to thank for those, I think.
内置录音和广播功能。是的，我想我们应该感谢伽利略。
A lot of modern dedicated cameras have these features for while also some small video cameras has huge zoom capabilities
许多现代专用摄像机都有这些功能，同时一些小型摄像机也有巨大的变焦能力。
Yes, but telescopes?!
是的，但是望远镜呢？！
Now optic technology has gone so far there is a lot of very portable small digital telescopes that can do scary things
现在光学技术发展到目前为止，已经有很多非常便携式的小型数字望远镜可以做可怕的事情。
Imagine the size of the optics of the phone is taken small space in the phone yet has big zoom capabilities,
Imagine dedicated device with the optics occupying the size of the smart phone
想象一下，手机的光学元件的尺寸虽然占用了手机很小的空间，但却具有很大的变焦能力，想象一下，如果光学设备占据了智能手机的大小。[/copy]
Nobody's hand is that steady
没有人的手会那么稳
This is so fake!
这太假了！
But, you like what you see right ? should I zoom in bit more ?
但是，你喜欢你所看到的，对吗？我应该放大一点吗？
Is this an ad? I want to buy one now
这是广告吗？我现在想买一个
It also allows to film police forces from a far away distance
它还允许从很远的地方拍摄警察部队
your phone already listens to everything you say and I'd trust the Chinese over the Americans
你的电话已经听到了你说的每一句话，我相信中国人胜过美国人。
This looks more like a Nikon p900 on a tripod to me ...
在我看来这更像一个三脚架上的尼康P900…
Oh no, let's just stick with useless iPhones cameras and carry binoculars and cameras with zoom lences. Much better.
哦，不，让我们继续使用没用的iPhone相机，带着双筒望远镜和带变焦镜头的相机。这样更好。
Nonetheless, after seeing this I want one.
尽管如此，在看到这个之后，我还是想要一个。
[copy]I have to say that is damn impressive though.
我不得不说真是太令人印象深刻了。
cameras with zoom lenses have existed for a while u know
有变焦镜头的相机已经存在一段时间了
Wow... gotta get me one of those!!
真的。。。给我来一个！！
Uh Nice camera
啊，好相机
Did you record this yourself?
I have a Huawei p30 pro and the zoom is far from being that powerful :-/
你自己录的吗？我有一台华为P30 Pro，而且变焦功能远没有这么强大：-/
is this for real?
这是真的吗？
The Event Horizon Telescope —that took the M87 blackhole picture— was actually a cluster of eight Huawei P30.
拍下M87黑洞照片的事件视界望远镜实际上是由八个华为P30组成的。
That is absolutely horrible!.. ehm, where can I get one?
太可怕了！…嗯，在哪能买到？
Awesome, I will take 2. Where can I purchase?
太棒了，我要2个。我可以在哪里购买？[/copy]
Great zooming power!
强大的缩放能力！
I like it, they have it on some phones already?
我喜欢，他们已经把它放在手机上了？
That's impressive!
真令人印象深刻！
What??? Who needs a sniper...
什么？？？？谁需要狙击手…
Incredible optics! Score one for @huawei on that one.
难以置信的光学技术！在这一项上，为华为加一分。
Just a consequence of improving technology in my opinion.
在我看来，这只是技术进步的结果。
Is this the p30?
这是华为p30吗？
Obvious fake. Come on, Tim.
明显的假货。快点，蒂姆（苹果CEO）。
This is a video of a phone falling down with a mini parachute
这是一段手机带着小降落伞坠落的视频
This cant ne real
这不可能是真的
Uhh I want one
嗯，我想要一个
[copy]I am getting one soon Best cell phone on the market for the price. No contest. Maybe that is why US/Canada are prosecuting Huawei ?
我马上就会要一个，这是市面上性价比最好的手机。没有竞争对手。也许这就是为什么美国/加拿大起诉华为？
Uh if you really meant to say that being in public is a privacy nightmare then yes I can agree w/ you. That by definition is what public is.
嗯，如果你真的想说在公共场合是一场隐私噩梦，那么是的，我同意你的看法。从定义上讲，这就是公众的本质。
They could have just as easily zoomed into the window of one of the rooms in another building
他们可以很容易地放大到另一栋楼的一个房间的窗户上。
That would be a failure of curtain technology.
那将是窗帘技术的失败。
telescopes have existed for hundreds of years
望远镜已经存在数百年了
adjustments required when trying to line up the moon in a telescope sitting on a tripod, there is no way that was done using a hand held phone.
考虑到放在三脚架上的望远镜试图对准月球时所需的精度调整，用手拿着电话是不可能做到的。[/copy]
Now that's a selling point,my next phones a huawei
现在这是一个卖点，我的下一部手机是华为
Who else immediately looked up and wondered who was watching them?
还有谁立刻抬起头来想知道是谁在监视他们？
Fine, I'll close my blinds!!!
好吧，我会关上我的百叶窗！！！！
Huawei is the best mobile phone in the world. Safe and reliable and high configuration!
华为是世界上最好的手机。安全可靠，还有高配置！
That's very good zoom for a phone camera. Color me impressed.
这是一个很好的手机相机变焦。给我留下深刻印象。
It's fake, the p30 pro can only zoom up to 10x in video.
这是假的，p30专业版只能放大10倍的视频。
Seems it supports 15x zoom in video mode, but a “Huawei spokesman said the video could have been a screen recording taken to show the camera’s zoom capability”.
看起来它支持视频模式的15倍变焦，但一位华为发言人说，这段视频可能是为了显示相机的变焦能力而拍摄的屏幕记录。
Wait my mistake, i had it on 60fps. Normal full hd can go to 15x
等等，我弄错了，我的速度是60帧。正常全高清可达15倍
That dude has some super steady hands.
那家伙的手很稳。
Is this real? Which model?
这是真的吗？哪种模式？
Militaries do not have tech this good. NASA don't, at least not in anything which can be hand-held and costs less than multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.
军队都没有这么好的技术。美国航天局没有，至少没有任何成本低于数十万美元东西，可以手持（达到这种效果）
[copy]What this video is showcasing is a combination of multiple different tools and editing techniques to fabricate a result which we are *decades* away from actually being able to make in a hand-held single product.
这段视频所展示的是多种不同工具和编辑技术的结合，以制造出一个能够在手持单一产品中制造的结果，我们离实现这个结果还有*几十年*的距离。
Late addition: Since my replies got a small fraction of attention I would just like to add and clarify that we *will* have this tech for real *someday*. I have no doubt humanity will eventually get there. But it's a long, uphill struggle, and we're nowhere near the end yet.
我想补充并澄清，我们*将*有一天*真正拥有这项技术*。我毫不怀疑人类最终会到达那里。但这是一场漫长的、艰苦的斗争，我们还没有接近终点。
This, apparently like so many tech things coming out of China, is staggeringly impressive and utterly terrifying.
很明显，这就像来自中国的许多科技产品一样，令人印象深刻，十分可怕。
this is the first time you've seen consumer cameras with a ... Zoom?
这是你第一次看到带有变焦的相机吗？
I had a phone 5 year ago that could pretty much do this just with pure digital zoom due to an insane amount of pixels. Sort of surprised it took this long for another to rival it
5年前我有一部手机，由于像素数量惊人，它几乎可以用纯数字来实现变焦。有点奇怪，别人花了这么长时间才造出与之抗衡的手机。
Which phone had a workable 30x+ zoom in 2014?
哪款手机在2014年有30倍以上的变焦功能？[/copy]
Lumia 1020. It had enough pixels to do it digitally
Lumia 1020。它有足够的像素来实现数字化
also I was wrong. That was 2013!
我又错了。那是2013年！
I had a lumia 1020, it was impressive with megapixels but the zoom isn't 30x
我有一台Lumia1020，它有百万像素，但变焦不是30倍。
...exactly how the Chinese want it.
…正是中国人想要的。
I can see what you're doing from here...
我能从这里看到你在做什么…
Every spy must have it :)
每个间谍都必须拥有它：）
I knew the future was coming but gotdamn
我早就知道未来会来临，但见鬼去吧。
Wish my phone had this advanced, powerful feature but I’m stuck with an iPhone.
希望我的手机有这个高级的，强大的功能，但我坚持用iphone。
Seriously doubt this is a phone...
真的很怀疑这是电话…
I want this phone
我想要这个电话
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Looks like a great feature. If it were on the #iPhone you'd all be raving, instead you're raging because it's #huawei
看起来是个很棒的功能。如果是在iPhone上的话，你们都会疯狂，相反，你就会怒不可遏，因为它是华为
That is evil, scary and wrong! I want one!
那是邪恶的，可怕的，错误的！我想要一个！
I want one too!
我也想要一个！
Me too!
我也是！
HMM. I guess that's true, the same way telescopes have been a privacy/surveillance nightmare in the past centuries?
嗯，我想这是真的，就像过去几个世纪望远镜一直是隐私/监视的噩梦一样是吗？
Ah yes, the telescope. That highly portable device no modern person leaves home without
啊，是的，望远镜。这是现代人离开家时必不可少的高度便携的设备。
[copy]With its built in recording and broadcasting capabilities. Yes, we have Galileo to thank for those, I think.
内置录音和广播功能。是的，我想我们应该感谢伽利略。
A lot of modern dedicated cameras have these features for while also some small video cameras has huge zoom capabilities
许多现代专用摄像机都有这些功能，同时一些小型摄像机也有巨大的变焦能力。
Yes, but telescopes?!
是的，但是望远镜呢？！
Now optic technology has gone so far there is a lot of very portable small digital telescopes that can do scary things
现在光学技术发展到目前为止，已经有很多非常便携式的小型数字望远镜可以做可怕的事情。
Imagine the size of the optics of the phone is taken small space in the phone yet has big zoom capabilities,
Imagine dedicated device with the optics occupying the size of the smart phone
想象一下，手机的光学元件的尺寸虽然占用了手机很小的空间，但却具有很大的变焦能力，想象一下，如果光学设备占据了智能手机的大小。[/copy]
Nobody's hand is that steady
没有人的手会那么稳
This is so fake!
这太假了！
But, you like what you see right ? should I zoom in bit more ?
但是，你喜欢你所看到的，对吗？我应该放大一点吗？
Is this an ad? I want to buy one now
这是广告吗？我现在想买一个
It also allows to film police forces from a far away distance
它还允许从很远的地方拍摄警察部队
your phone already listens to everything you say and I'd trust the Chinese over the Americans
你的电话已经听到了你说的每一句话，我相信中国人胜过美国人。
This looks more like a Nikon p900 on a tripod to me ...
在我看来这更像一个三脚架上的尼康P900…
Oh no, let's just stick with useless iPhones cameras and carry binoculars and cameras with zoom lences. Much better.
哦，不，让我们继续使用没用的iPhone相机，带着双筒望远镜和带变焦镜头的相机。这样更好。
Nonetheless, after seeing this I want one.
尽管如此，在看到这个之后，我还是想要一个。
[copy]I have to say that is damn impressive though.
我不得不说真是太令人印象深刻了。
cameras with zoom lenses have existed for a while u know
有变焦镜头的相机已经存在一段时间了
Wow... gotta get me one of those!!
真的。。。给我来一个！！
Uh Nice camera
啊，好相机
Did you record this yourself?
I have a Huawei p30 pro and the zoom is far from being that powerful :-/
你自己录的吗？我有一台华为P30 Pro，而且变焦功能远没有这么强大：-/
is this for real?
这是真的吗？
The Event Horizon Telescope —that took the M87 blackhole picture— was actually a cluster of eight Huawei P30.
拍下M87黑洞照片的事件视界望远镜实际上是由八个华为P30组成的。
That is absolutely horrible!.. ehm, where can I get one?
太可怕了！…嗯，在哪能买到？
Awesome, I will take 2. Where can I purchase?
太棒了，我要2个。我可以在哪里购买？[/copy]
Great zooming power!
强大的缩放能力！
I like it, they have it on some phones already?
我喜欢，他们已经把它放在手机上了？
That's impressive!
真令人印象深刻！
What??? Who needs a sniper...
什么？？？？谁需要狙击手…
Incredible optics! Score one for @huawei on that one.
难以置信的光学技术！在这一项上，为华为加一分。
Just a consequence of improving technology in my opinion.
在我看来，这只是技术进步的结果。
Is this the p30?
这是华为p30吗？
Obvious fake. Come on, Tim.
明显的假货。快点，蒂姆（苹果CEO）。
This is a video of a phone falling down with a mini parachute
这是一段手机带着小降落伞坠落的视频
This cant ne real
这不可能是真的
Uhh I want one
嗯，我想要一个
[copy]I am getting one soon Best cell phone on the market for the price. No contest. Maybe that is why US/Canada are prosecuting Huawei ?
我马上就会要一个，这是市面上性价比最好的手机。没有竞争对手。也许这就是为什么美国/加拿大起诉华为？
Uh if you really meant to say that being in public is a privacy nightmare then yes I can agree w/ you. That by definition is what public is.
嗯，如果你真的想说在公共场合是一场隐私噩梦，那么是的，我同意你的看法。从定义上讲，这就是公众的本质。
They could have just as easily zoomed into the window of one of the rooms in another building
他们可以很容易地放大到另一栋楼的一个房间的窗户上。
That would be a failure of curtain technology.
那将是窗帘技术的失败。
telescopes have existed for hundreds of years
望远镜已经存在数百年了
adjustments required when trying to line up the moon in a telescope sitting on a tripod, there is no way that was done using a hand held phone.
考虑到放在三脚架上的望远镜试图对准月球时所需的精度调整，用手拿着电话是不可能做到的。[/copy]
Now that's a selling point,my next phones a huawei
现在这是一个卖点，我的下一部手机是华为
Who else immediately looked up and wondered who was watching them?
还有谁立刻抬起头来想知道是谁在监视他们？
Fine, I'll close my blinds!!!
好吧，我会关上我的百叶窗！！！！
Huawei is the best mobile phone in the world. Safe and reliable and high configuration!
华为是世界上最好的手机。安全可靠，还有高配置！
That's very good zoom for a phone camera. Color me impressed.
这是一个很好的手机相机变焦。给我留下深刻印象。
It's fake, the p30 pro can only zoom up to 10x in video.
这是假的，p30专业版只能放大10倍的视频。
Seems it supports 15x zoom in video mode, but a “Huawei spokesman said the video could have been a screen recording taken to show the camera’s zoom capability”.
看起来它支持视频模式的15倍变焦，但一位华为发言人说，这段视频可能是为了显示相机的变焦能力而拍摄的屏幕记录。
Wait my mistake, i had it on 60fps. Normal full hd can go to 15x
等等，我弄错了，我的速度是60帧。正常全高清可达15倍
That dude has some super steady hands.
那家伙的手很稳。
Is this real? Which model?
这是真的吗？哪种模式？
Militaries do not have tech this good. NASA don't, at least not in anything which can be hand-held and costs less than multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.
军队都没有这么好的技术。美国航天局没有，至少没有任何成本低于数十万美元东西，可以手持（达到这种效果）
[copy]What this video is showcasing is a combination of multiple different tools and editing techniques to fabricate a result which we are *decades* away from actually being able to make in a hand-held single product.
这段视频所展示的是多种不同工具和编辑技术的结合，以制造出一个能够在手持单一产品中制造的结果，我们离实现这个结果还有*几十年*的距离。
Late addition: Since my replies got a small fraction of attention I would just like to add and clarify that we *will* have this tech for real *someday*. I have no doubt humanity will eventually get there. But it's a long, uphill struggle, and we're nowhere near the end yet.
我想补充并澄清，我们*将*有一天*真正拥有这项技术*。我毫不怀疑人类最终会到达那里。但这是一场漫长的、艰苦的斗争，我们还没有接近终点。
This, apparently like so many tech things coming out of China, is staggeringly impressive and utterly terrifying.
很明显，这就像来自中国的许多科技产品一样，令人印象深刻，十分可怕。
this is the first time you've seen consumer cameras with a ... Zoom?
这是你第一次看到带有变焦的相机吗？
I had a phone 5 year ago that could pretty much do this just with pure digital zoom due to an insane amount of pixels. Sort of surprised it took this long for another to rival it
5年前我有一部手机，由于像素数量惊人，它几乎可以用纯数字来实现变焦。有点奇怪，别人花了这么长时间才造出与之抗衡的手机。
Which phone had a workable 30x+ zoom in 2014?
哪款手机在2014年有30倍以上的变焦功能？[/copy]
Lumia 1020. It had enough pixels to do it digitally
Lumia 1020。它有足够的像素来实现数字化
also I was wrong. That was 2013!
我又错了。那是2013年！
I had a lumia 1020, it was impressive with megapixels but the zoom isn't 30x
我有一台Lumia1020，它有百万像素，但变焦不是30倍。
...exactly how the Chinese want it.
…正是中国人想要的。
I can see what you're doing from here...
我能从这里看到你在做什么…
Every spy must have it :)
每个间谍都必须拥有它：）
I knew the future was coming but gotdamn
我早就知道未来会来临，但见鬼去吧。
Wish my phone had this advanced, powerful feature but I’m stuck with an iPhone.
希望我的手机有这个高级的，强大的功能，但我坚持用iphone。
Seriously doubt this is a phone...
真的很怀疑这是电话…
I want this phone
我想要这个电话
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