中国的大城市比美国的大城市更发达吗？(三)
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Are Chinese big cities more developed than American ones?
中国城市和美国城市，做为世界上新旧都市的两种代表，谁更加发达？
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Are Chinese big cities more developed than American ones?
中国城市和美国城市，做为世界上新旧都市的两种代表，谁更加发达？
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回答一：
回答一：
Davide Mirabella
The heyday of American cities has been about one hundred years ago, due to high population growth and influx of immigrations.It was also the time when the first skyscrapers started to appear in cities in the Eastern U.S.
A second blooming was after World War 2, when large infrastructure projects were built in the US, in particular highways and airports. Also, many skyscrapers in the so-called Internationalist style started to appear in skylines of US cities.
The development of Chinese cities such as Shenzhen, Beijing and Shanghai, however, is much more recent. Far-reaching urban renewals were tackled in the early 2000s, so it is only natural that stuff looks cleaner, more organized and more modern. The architecture alone is contemporary, while lots of skyscrapers in US cities look a bit dated because many of them were build 40 to 50 years ago.
美国城市的全盛时期大约是在100年前，因为人口的高速增长和移民的涌入，这也是第一批摩天大楼开始出现在美国东部城市的时间。
第二次繁荣发生在第二次世界大战之后，当时美国修建了很多大型基础设施项目，特别是很多的高速公路和机场，此外，很多摩天大楼开始出现在美国城市的天际线上。
但是，深圳、北京和上海等中国城市的发展则是最近才开始的，在21世纪初，长期的城市规划完成，所以中国的城市看起来更干净、更有规划、更加现代化，这是很正常的，单就建筑本身而言，中国是现代化的，而美国城市中的许多摩天大楼看起来有点过时，因为其中许多都是40到50年前建造的。
The heyday of American cities has been about one hundred years ago, due to high population growth and influx of immigrations.It was also the time when the first skyscrapers started to appear in cities in the Eastern U.S.
A second blooming was after World War 2, when large infrastructure projects were built in the US, in particular highways and airports. Also, many skyscrapers in the so-called Internationalist style started to appear in skylines of US cities.
The development of Chinese cities such as Shenzhen, Beijing and Shanghai, however, is much more recent. Far-reaching urban renewals were tackled in the early 2000s, so it is only natural that stuff looks cleaner, more organized and more modern. The architecture alone is contemporary, while lots of skyscrapers in US cities look a bit dated because many of them were build 40 to 50 years ago.
美国城市的全盛时期大约是在100年前，因为人口的高速增长和移民的涌入，这也是第一批摩天大楼开始出现在美国东部城市的时间。
第二次繁荣发生在第二次世界大战之后，当时美国修建了很多大型基础设施项目，特别是很多的高速公路和机场，此外，很多摩天大楼开始出现在美国城市的天际线上。
但是，深圳、北京和上海等中国城市的发展则是最近才开始的，在21世纪初，长期的城市规划完成，所以中国的城市看起来更干净、更有规划、更加现代化，这是很正常的，单就建筑本身而言，中国是现代化的，而美国城市中的许多摩天大楼看起来有点过时，因为其中许多都是40到50年前建造的。
You could argue that American cities have been collecting a bit of dust, or patina for that matter. Stuff has aged, so you sometimes see and feel it. That is not an inherently bad thing, cities always go through this process - infrastrucutre ages and stops meeting demand and particularly in relation to aesthetics cities can start to look a bit frumpy because contemporary architecture looks much flashier.
Personally, I like some of the gritty areas of US cities. I don’t want everything in a city to be spick and span. Cities are places where people live, lots of them. It is only natural for cities to start to look a bit worn down. It’s what life does to things. There is a certain beauty in decay.
I am not very well informed when it comes to municipal politics in the US - but I am sure some of the lack of infrastrucutre is due to tax cuts and lack of infrastructure spending, too. Also, let’s not glorify Chinese cities too much. The cities you’ve mentioned in your question’s details are the showcase cities of China. I’ve travelled to dozens of cities in China and there’s plenty of places out there that are far from looking as flashy as Shenzhen, Shanghai or Beijing.
你可以这样说，美国的城市已经有点脏了，或者说生锈了。有些东西已经很老旧了，这是你可以看到和感觉到的事情，但这并不一定是一件坏事，城市总是会经历这个过程——基础设施老化，不能够再满足需求，特别是在外观方面，城市可能会开始看起来有点寒酸，因为现代的新建筑看起来更加潮流。
就我个人而言，我挺喜欢美国城市的一些落后地带，我不希望一个城市的所有地方都太规整了，城市是人们生活的地方，它们显得有些破旧是很自然的事情，这就是生活对事物的影响，腐朽中也带有着某种美。
当谈到美国的市政建设时，我并不是很了解情况——但我相信，基础设施的缺乏也有一部分是由于减税和基础设施支出缺钱。同时，我们也不要过分美化中国城市，你在问题中提到的城市，是中国的明星城市，我去过中国的几十个城市，那里有很多地方远不像深圳、上海或北京那样光鲜。
回答二：
Personally, I like some of the gritty areas of US cities. I don’t want everything in a city to be spick and span. Cities are places where people live, lots of them. It is only natural for cities to start to look a bit worn down. It’s what life does to things. There is a certain beauty in decay.
I am not very well informed when it comes to municipal politics in the US - but I am sure some of the lack of infrastrucutre is due to tax cuts and lack of infrastructure spending, too. Also, let’s not glorify Chinese cities too much. The cities you’ve mentioned in your question’s details are the showcase cities of China. I’ve travelled to dozens of cities in China and there’s plenty of places out there that are far from looking as flashy as Shenzhen, Shanghai or Beijing.
你可以这样说，美国的城市已经有点脏了，或者说生锈了。有些东西已经很老旧了，这是你可以看到和感觉到的事情，但这并不一定是一件坏事，城市总是会经历这个过程——基础设施老化，不能够再满足需求，特别是在外观方面，城市可能会开始看起来有点寒酸，因为现代的新建筑看起来更加潮流。
就我个人而言，我挺喜欢美国城市的一些落后地带，我不希望一个城市的所有地方都太规整了，城市是人们生活的地方，它们显得有些破旧是很自然的事情，这就是生活对事物的影响，腐朽中也带有着某种美。
当谈到美国的市政建设时，我并不是很了解情况——但我相信，基础设施的缺乏也有一部分是由于减税和基础设施支出缺钱。同时，我们也不要过分美化中国城市，你在问题中提到的城市，是中国的明星城市，我去过中国的几十个城市，那里有很多地方远不像深圳、上海或北京那样光鲜。
回答二：
Greg Burch
In some ways, in some areas, Chinese cities are “more developed.” Of course, this raises the question of what “more developed” means. More developed for what? That’s why I say in some areas in some ways.
Chinese cities have had a major growth period in the last 20 years. So some of the most visible parts of cities — parts that get photographed a lot — look newer and are newer. That’s the giant skyscrapers. There are just more new large buildings in the most densely packed parts of Chinese cities than there are in the US (or frankly, anywhere). That’s simply a matter of when these cities had their big growth period. The same was true when Europeans were looking at US cities in the middle of the 20th century — they looked like “the future” because they had grown more recently.
The human and economic geography of Chinese cities is very different from most US cities, so some aspects of Chinese cities are “more developed” — mass transit being the most obvious. Most travel most of the time for most Chinese people is not by privately-owned automobile, it’s via mass transit. A higher proportion of US citizens own their own automobiles and this has been true for decades. US cities developed around this reality. So, if you’re experiencing a Chinese city as a tourist on foot, you’re definitely going to see a “more developed” mass transit system than in any US city. And that system will necessarily be newer than any system in the US — again, it’s just a function of when the urban centers in the two societies developed.
在某些方面，在某些地区，中国的城市“更加发达”。当然，这就要说说 “更加发达”是什么意思了，更加发达是为了什么？我准备在这方面说一下。
中国的城市在过去的20年时间里有了很大的发展，因此，城市中一些最亮眼的地方——这也是被大量拍摄展示的部分——看起来更新更现代化的部分，那是巨大的摩天大楼区。在中国城市人口最密集的地区，新建的大型建筑比美国（坦率地说，应该比任何地方）都要多。
但这里的问题是，一座城市在什么时候会迎来它大规模发展的时期。欧洲人在20世纪中叶观察美国的城市时也是如此——（那时候的美国城市）看起来像是“未来的”，因为那些美国城市在那个时候是新建的。
中国城市的文化经济地理方面与大多数美国城市有很大的不同，因此中国城市的某些方面是要“更加发达的”——在公共交通方面是最明显的。对大多数中国人来说，大多数时间的旅行不是通过私人汽车，而是通过公共交通工具，而在美国，公民拥有自己汽车的比例更高，这几十年来一直都是这样，美国城市就是围绕着这个事实发展起来的，所以，如果你正在中国城市旅行，你肯定会看到一个比美国任何一个城市都“更发达”的公共交通系统，这个系统必然会比美国任何一个系统都要更新——同样，它只是这两个国家城市发展功能（的区别）。
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In some ways, in some areas, Chinese cities are “more developed.” Of course, this raises the question of what “more developed” means. More developed for what? That’s why I say in some areas in some ways.
Chinese cities have had a major growth period in the last 20 years. So some of the most visible parts of cities — parts that get photographed a lot — look newer and are newer. That’s the giant skyscrapers. There are just more new large buildings in the most densely packed parts of Chinese cities than there are in the US (or frankly, anywhere). That’s simply a matter of when these cities had their big growth period. The same was true when Europeans were looking at US cities in the middle of the 20th century — they looked like “the future” because they had grown more recently.
The human and economic geography of Chinese cities is very different from most US cities, so some aspects of Chinese cities are “more developed” — mass transit being the most obvious. Most travel most of the time for most Chinese people is not by privately-owned automobile, it’s via mass transit. A higher proportion of US citizens own their own automobiles and this has been true for decades. US cities developed around this reality. So, if you’re experiencing a Chinese city as a tourist on foot, you’re definitely going to see a “more developed” mass transit system than in any US city. And that system will necessarily be newer than any system in the US — again, it’s just a function of when the urban centers in the two societies developed.
在某些方面，在某些地区，中国的城市“更加发达”。当然，这就要说说 “更加发达”是什么意思了，更加发达是为了什么？我准备在这方面说一下。
中国的城市在过去的20年时间里有了很大的发展，因此，城市中一些最亮眼的地方——这也是被大量拍摄展示的部分——看起来更新更现代化的部分，那是巨大的摩天大楼区。在中国城市人口最密集的地区，新建的大型建筑比美国（坦率地说，应该比任何地方）都要多。
但这里的问题是，一座城市在什么时候会迎来它大规模发展的时期。欧洲人在20世纪中叶观察美国的城市时也是如此——（那时候的美国城市）看起来像是“未来的”，因为那些美国城市在那个时候是新建的。
中国城市的文化经济地理方面与大多数美国城市有很大的不同，因此中国城市的某些方面是要“更加发达的”——在公共交通方面是最明显的。对大多数中国人来说，大多数时间的旅行不是通过私人汽车，而是通过公共交通工具，而在美国，公民拥有自己汽车的比例更高，这几十年来一直都是这样，美国城市就是围绕着这个事实发展起来的，所以，如果你正在中国城市旅行，你肯定会看到一个比美国任何一个城市都“更发达”的公共交通系统，这个系统必然会比美国任何一个系统都要更新——同样，它只是这两个国家城市发展功能（的区别）。
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But do bear in mind that there are many, many urban areas in China that are not very much like Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen — the most economically developed cities in China. Even the most developed parts of second- and third-tier cities in China don’t compare, and when you get down to fourth-tier cities and beyond, it’s NOTHING like what you’ve seen. And there are definitely large parts of even the first-tier cities that definitely don’t look like “the city of tomorrow.” As a brief visitor, you are unlikely to see much more than a glimpse of those parts of China’s top cities, at most.
Finally, a LOT of the construction you’ve seen was done very, very quickly in ways that, if you look closely with an engineer’s or architect’s or craftsman’s eyes, don’t reflect a judgment of “more developed.” The showcase skyscrapers and shopping centers and high-priced hotels in first-tier Chinese cities are definitely built to the highest global standards (at least most of them are), but if you’re a business traveler in other Chinese urban areas, you’ll quickly notice that the average levels of design and construction (and maintenance) quality isn’t at that level. In lower-tier cities, it can be pretty … ragged …There are lots of reasons for this that I won’t go into, but it’s a pervasive reality outside of the best parts of top-tier Chinese cities.
但请记住，中国有许多许多的城市，与中国经济最发达的城市北京、上海和深圳不同，就算是中国二三线城市中最发达的地方，也无法与北上广深相比，而当你深入到四线城市或更偏远的地方时，你所看到的完全不同，而即使是一线城市，也有相当大的一部分绝对不像“未来之城”，作为一个短暂的游客，你也不可能看到中国顶尖城市的这些部分。
最后，你所看到的许多建筑都是以非常、非常快的方式完成的，如果你仔细观察工程师、建筑师或工匠的眼睛，你不会做出 “更加发达”的判断。中国一线城市展示的摩天大楼、购物中心和高级酒店，肯定是按照最高的全球标准（至少大部分是这样）建造的，但是如果你是中国其他城市的商务旅行者，你会很快注意到建筑的设计施工（和维护）质量的平均水平
比不上一线城市。在等级较低的城市里，那真的有点..破破烂烂..因为很多这样的原因，我不想去那里，但除了中国顶级城市最好的部分，这是一个普遍存在的现实。
回答三：
Finally, a LOT of the construction you’ve seen was done very, very quickly in ways that, if you look closely with an engineer’s or architect’s or craftsman’s eyes, don’t reflect a judgment of “more developed.” The showcase skyscrapers and shopping centers and high-priced hotels in first-tier Chinese cities are definitely built to the highest global standards (at least most of them are), but if you’re a business traveler in other Chinese urban areas, you’ll quickly notice that the average levels of design and construction (and maintenance) quality isn’t at that level. In lower-tier cities, it can be pretty … ragged …There are lots of reasons for this that I won’t go into, but it’s a pervasive reality outside of the best parts of top-tier Chinese cities.
但请记住，中国有许多许多的城市，与中国经济最发达的城市北京、上海和深圳不同，就算是中国二三线城市中最发达的地方，也无法与北上广深相比，而当你深入到四线城市或更偏远的地方时，你所看到的完全不同，而即使是一线城市，也有相当大的一部分绝对不像“未来之城”，作为一个短暂的游客，你也不可能看到中国顶尖城市的这些部分。
最后，你所看到的许多建筑都是以非常、非常快的方式完成的，如果你仔细观察工程师、建筑师或工匠的眼睛，你不会做出 “更加发达”的判断。中国一线城市展示的摩天大楼、购物中心和高级酒店，肯定是按照最高的全球标准（至少大部分是这样）建造的，但是如果你是中国其他城市的商务旅行者，你会很快注意到建筑的设计施工（和维护）质量的平均水平
比不上一线城市。在等级较低的城市里，那真的有点..破破烂烂..因为很多这样的原因，我不想去那里，但除了中国顶级城市最好的部分，这是一个普遍存在的现实。
回答三：
Roberto Tuda
I am sure Chinese cities can be cleaner and more functional in many respects. They are actually new.
However, I think human freedom is more important than any other thing regarding development. Do Chinese cities will have the libraries we can find in American cities, or the universities we can find in American cities? Are there think tanks as in American citites? Can we worship God as we please as in American cities?
我相信中国的城市在很多方面都会更干净、功能更全，它们实际上是全新的城市。
然而，我认为人类的ZY比任何发展都更加重要。中国城市有我们在美国城市可以找到的图书馆吗？有我们在美国城市可以找到的大学吗？有没有美国那样的智库？我们能像在美国城市一样敬仰上帝吗？
回答四：
I am sure Chinese cities can be cleaner and more functional in many respects. They are actually new.
However, I think human freedom is more important than any other thing regarding development. Do Chinese cities will have the libraries we can find in American cities, or the universities we can find in American cities? Are there think tanks as in American citites? Can we worship God as we please as in American cities?
我相信中国的城市在很多方面都会更干净、功能更全，它们实际上是全新的城市。
然而，我认为人类的ZY比任何发展都更加重要。中国城市有我们在美国城市可以找到的图书馆吗？有我们在美国城市可以找到的大学吗？有没有美国那样的智库？我们能像在美国城市一样敬仰上帝吗？
回答四：
Peter Barosso
No city can compare with country living. Cities are toilet bowls where the poop gets all mixed up..
任何城市都比不上在乡村生活，城市就跟马桶一样，所有的粪便混在一起...
回答五：
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No city can compare with country living. Cities are toilet bowls where the poop gets all mixed up..
任何城市都比不上在乡村生活，城市就跟马桶一样，所有的粪便混在一起...
回答五：
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William Lucas
Big Chinese cities are often more developed than American ones as they are mostly new with modern infrastructure and systems. The reason for this is that, as the state controls everything and is flush with cash, they have heavily invested in a modern infrastructure while preserving some ancient monumental aspects as park land.
中国的大城市往往比美国的城市更加发达更加现代化，因为它们大多是新建的现代化基础设施以及现代化的系统。这里的原因是，由于国家统筹规划，加上资金充裕，他们保留了一些古代古迹作为公园用地，同时对现代基础设施进行了大量投资。
回答六：
Big Chinese cities are often more developed than American ones as they are mostly new with modern infrastructure and systems. The reason for this is that, as the state controls everything and is flush with cash, they have heavily invested in a modern infrastructure while preserving some ancient monumental aspects as park land.
中国的大城市往往比美国的城市更加发达更加现代化，因为它们大多是新建的现代化基础设施以及现代化的系统。这里的原因是，由于国家统筹规划，加上资金充裕，他们保留了一些古代古迹作为公园用地，同时对现代基础设施进行了大量投资。
回答六：
Mulin Chang
I would say the focus is very different. The big cities in China are very into “presentation”, which means they invest heavily to leave a good impression on the visitors. A lot of foreigners especially the first time visitors are left in shock and awe. However, american cities are more focused on the functionality of the city. Many big cities provide service not just for the super rich, but also for those poor. There are neighborhoods in NYC that look like 3rd world country .
我想说的话侧重点有点不一样。中国的大城市都非常喜欢“展示”，这意味着他们投入巨资给游客留下好印象。很多外国人，尤其是第一次来访的人都感到震惊和敬畏。然而，美国城市更注重城市的功能性，许多大城市不仅为超级富豪提供服务，也为穷人提供服务，纽约市有些社区看起来像第三世界国家。
I would say the focus is very different. The big cities in China are very into “presentation”, which means they invest heavily to leave a good impression on the visitors. A lot of foreigners especially the first time visitors are left in shock and awe. However, american cities are more focused on the functionality of the city. Many big cities provide service not just for the super rich, but also for those poor. There are neighborhoods in NYC that look like 3rd world country .
我想说的话侧重点有点不一样。中国的大城市都非常喜欢“展示”，这意味着他们投入巨资给游客留下好印象。很多外国人，尤其是第一次来访的人都感到震惊和敬畏。然而，美国城市更注重城市的功能性，许多大城市不仅为超级富豪提供服务，也为穷人提供服务，纽约市有些社区看起来像第三世界国家。
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