与欧洲国家和美洲国家相比,中国更安全吗?(二)
2019-11-17 李千锦 26589
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Is China safer than European countries and countries in the Americas?

与欧洲国家和美洲国家相比,中国更安全吗?

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M.F. Cappiello
Of course this is a generalization, but women will feel safer, and be safer, than women in most of Europe or the Americas. Generally you can walk around by yourself up to about 1:00 a.m. at night (although of course around shady places like train stations you should be more cautious) and you don’t face the random street harassment you do in other places. Partly you’ll be safer because there are so many people that somebody’s aways around, so it would be risky to try to harm you, and partly because of cultural differences like less heavy drinking. There’s also less random aggressive behavior toward women. One thing that’s hard for me to adjust to when I go back in the US is the way you can just be walking along, and guys will start shouting at you from cars going by. In other places in the US there’s catcalling to deal with. Why are these random men acting in such an aggressive and bullying way? Too much time on their hands? A power trip? Who knows? But it’s great not to have to deal with that kind of crap in China.

当然,这是一个概括性的结论,但与大多数欧洲或美洲的女性相比,在中国女性会感到更安全。一般情况下,你可以自己在凌晨1点左右自己在外面走动(当然,在像火车站这样的阴暗地方,应该更小心一些),而且你不会像在其他地方那样面对街头骚扰。一定程度上你会更安全,因为周围有很多人,所以想伤害你是有风险的,还有一部分是因为文化差异,比如不酗酒。对女性的攻击性行为也较少,我回到美国时,有一件事我很难适应,那就是你在路上走着,而男人们可能会从路过的汽车里开始对你大喊大叫。在美国的其他地方,有猫叫声都要处理,为什么这些男人却可以这么有攻击性和欺负人?他们太闲了?耀武扬威?谁知道呢?但在中国不用面对这种人真是太好了。
Dylan Wang(回复M.F. Cappiello)

Becouse chinese tradition cultural tell the people to be a gentleman and respect for others. Since ancient times, chinese people have attached great importance to moral education. China also known as a state of ceremonies since then.

因为中国传统文化告诉人们要做一个绅士,要尊重他人。自古以来,中国人就非常重视道德教育。从那时起,中国也被称为礼仪之邦。

Gordon Oakley
Well, although I have visited other cities in China, I can only really speak for Shanghai, where I have been living for the past 4 years. Yes, it feels like the safest urban place I’ve ever been. Part of the reason, I believe, is due to the Shanghai city people, in general, who genuinely seem more friendly, polite and respectful towards each other, and certainly towards me, than any where else I’ve ever been in Europe and America. The main reason though, I am sure, is the vast “dad’s army” of unarmed, semi-professional old guys, who are uniformed and stationed on watch around the clock, at almost all the entrances to gated residential compounds, car parks, shopping malls, large office buildings, schools, etc. When I first came to China, I found their omni-presence, was quite intrusive, which re-enforced the pre-misconception I arrived with of China’s so called oppressive police-state. But now, I’ve completely changed my opinion and find it very reassuring to know that there is always a pair of vigilant eyes around, especially at night; someone on guard nearby whose job it is to keep watch for anyone up to no good, or anything suspicious going on, etc., a vital role which must also help to take the strain off the local police enforcement, leaving them to deal with more serious crime problems. This kind of work must also give retired people, men especially, an opportunity to do an important job, which must not only give them a sense of purpose and worth, but also helps people with all sorts of problems, enquiries, etc. and at the same time safeguarding the whole community.

嗯,虽然我去过中国的其他城市,但我只能代表上海说话,因为我已经在那里生活了4年。是的,感觉这是我去过的最安全的城市。我相信,部分原因是由于上海市民,他们看起来真的对彼此更友好,更有礼貌和互相尊重,当然也比起我去过的任何其他欧洲和美国的地方,对我都更友好、礼貌和尊重。但我相信,主要原因是手无寸铁的半职业化的老人们组成的庞大的“大爷军团”,他们穿着制服,24小时驻守在几乎所有的门禁住宅区,停车场,购物中心,大型办公楼,学校等的入口。当我第一次来中国时,我发现他们无所不在,非常具有压迫性,这再次加强了我刚到时对中国所谓的先入为主的误解。但是现在,我已经完全改变了我的看法,而且我觉得周围总是有一双警觉的眼睛,特别是在晚上会让我感到非常安心;附近的守卫人员,其工作是监视任何人的不良行为,或任何可疑的事情等,这是一个很重要的角色,也肯定帮助到减轻当地警察执法的压力,好让他们处理更严重的犯罪问题。这类工作还也提供给退休人员特别是男性一个重要工作的机会,不仅让他们有使命感和价值感,而且帮助人们解决各种问题、查询等,同时维护整个社会。
Doug Freyburger(回复Gordon Oakley)

America is immune to political purges.
Even including deaths in foreign wars, to have the equivalent danger from all non-medical causes in the US you need to go all the way back to the Civil War.
Right now China still suffers enough deaths from work related causes and traffic to make it less safe than the US. But you have to be very careful exactly which slice of time to pick. The larger the slice of time the more safe the US.
America is immune to internal wars, at least since the Civil War. Even including the Civil War, the US has lost much less of its population to internal wars than Europe. The reason is simple. There’s one country in the US and while we’ve had plenty of tiny rebellions we’ve only had one large Civil War. Since 1860 I can count several wars that killed far more than all American war deaths put together including the Revolutionary War and all wars since.
Right now there is little war in Europe. But you have to be very careful exactly which slice of time to pick. The larger the slice of time the more safe the US.
Even including the fact that our fore-bearers committed one of the largest genocides in history before 7/8ths of my ancestors came here.

美国没有被政治清洗影响。
即使算上外国战争中的死亡人数,也需要一路追溯到南北战争才能在美国达到排除非医疗原因外的同等危险水平。
目前,中国因工作和交通事故造成的死亡人数,仍足以使中国的安全性低于美国。
美国不受内战的影响,至少在内战之后是这样。即使包括内战,美国在内战中损失的人口也比欧洲少得多。原因很简单,美国只有一个国家,虽然我们有很多小规模的叛乱,但我们只有一次大规模的内战。自1860年以来的战争,我可以数出几场战争的死亡人数都远远超过所有美国战争死亡人数的总和,即使包括独立战争和此后的所有战争。
现在欧洲有少量小规模的战争。但你在美国要看你选的是哪个时间段,时间跨度越大就会越显得美国安全,甚至包括我们的祖先来这里犯下了历史上最大的种族灭绝罪之一这一事实。

Sthitapragnya Deshpande
Oh yes - I lived in Europe prior to coming to China and feel a hundred times safer here than I felt - in London as well as other European cities (They used to feel safe a few years earlier, but sadly, they no longer do)
South America - I used to live in Brazil and Argentina for a while and they also felt safe (not their big cities - I lived in smaller towns).
But none of them came close to China and Japan as far as safety is concerned.
In China, I know that come what may, I will not end up being chucked out of the country, there will not be any communal rioting, and as long as I go about my daily work honestly, no one will harm me or my family. I can travel anywhere in this country (actually I do - I travel at least once each month to different parts of China) and I always feel the same safety level.

哦,是的--在来中国之前,我住在欧洲,在伦敦和其他欧洲城市(几年前他们曾经让我觉得安全,但遗憾的是,现在不再是了),我觉得中国安全一百倍。
南美-我曾经在巴西和阿根廷住过一段时间,它们也安全(不是大城市-我住在小城镇)。
但就安全而言,它们中没有一个能与中国和日本相提并论。
在中国,我知道无论发生什么,我最终都不会被赶出这个国家,不会有任何集体骚乱,只要我老实从事我的日常工作,没有人会伤害我和我的家人。我可以在这个国家的任何地方旅行(实际上我是这样做的--我每个月至少去一次中国的不同地方旅行),我总是感觉到同样安全。
Sheridan Peterson(回复Sthitapragnya Deshpande)

Just as long as you don’t get in a fight with a C taxi driver. Then all hell breaks out. Try it sometime for kicks.

只要你不跟出租车司机吵架就行。不然就惨了。找个时间试试吧。
Chu Tuangming(回复Sheridan Peterson)

But how can you get in a fight with a taxi driver? There are their name, employee number as well as their company number in the front of the taxi, just call and complaint to their company if you are not satisfied.

但是为什么会跟出租车司机吵架呢?出租车前面有他们的名字,员工号码以及他们的公司号码,如果你不满意,只需打电话向他们的公司投诉。

Andres Wang
As a Chinese, I have some friends from Canada and Europe, they described China as a kindergarten compared to certain areas in EU and US when it comes to safety. From my own experience, I lived in eastern part of China(which is relatively richer compared to the west) for more than 20 years and never encountered any form of life threatening crime or situation.
But what you do have to worry about is theft. Especially in crowded places like train stations or when you’re trying to squeeze into a bus, you definitely want to take care of your wallets and cellphones, and if you own a bike or motorcycle, it’s better that you buy a good lock for it.

作为一个中国人,我有一些来自加拿大和欧洲的朋友,当谈及安全问题时,跟欧盟和美国的某些地区比,他们把中国比喻为一个幼儿园。根据我自己的经验,我在中国东部(相对西部比较富裕)生活了20多年,从未遇到过任何形式的威胁生命的犯罪情况。
但你需要担心的是盗窃。尤其是在拥挤的地方,比如火车站或当你想挤进一辆公交车时,你肯定得保管好你的钱包和手机,如果你有一辆自行车或摩托车,最好给它买一个好点的锁。
Yuanyuan Qiong(回复Andres Wang)

I am Chinese and be borned in the end of 80s. I do feel thieves has decreased these years(the last one I met was 7 years ago,he steal an old nokia phone from me),but do not agree its because strong punishment from government.Actually when the punishment for criminal is much more stronger than today in the beginning of 90s,there is more thieves. I think the decrease of thieves is simply because the growth of economic. Everyone could easily get a job and its much more economic reasonable to do a legal job than to steal,its less risky and money is predictable,most people who''''s willing to work hard could get a satisfied payment,and questions from girlfriend''''s mother about what''''s your job could be much more easily answered .

我是中国人,出生于80年代末。这几年确实感觉小偷减少了(我遇到的最后一个小偷是7年前,他偷了我的一部旧诺基亚手机),但我不同意这是因为政府的严厉惩罚。事实上,在90年代初,当对罪犯的惩罚比今天更严厉时,小偷反而更多。我认为小偷的减少仅仅是因为经济的增长。每个人都可以很容易找到一份工作,做一份合法的工作比偷窃更划算,风险更低,而且得到多少钱是可预测的,大多数愿意努力工作的人都可以得到满意的报酬,女朋友的母亲问你工作是什么的问题可能更容易回答。

Joe Abasa
Yes and no.
It depends on who you’re talking about. The US is probably one of the most stable countries, but currently it’s dealing with internal issues. Parts of Western Europe are the same, especially because they’re dealing with a lot (demands by the powers (US, China, Russia) and large amounts of immigrants). If you’re talking about Norway or Canada then it’s not safer, as Sweden has one of the highest safety rankings in the world and is a perfect destination for ALL tourists, visitors, travelers, etc. If you’re talking about Moldova, then perhaps some areas of China are safer like wealthy cities with capable law enforcement and remote rural areas where villages protect themselves. Europe is too often generalized, and it is highly diverse politically, economically, and culturally.

也是也不是。
这取决于你具体说的是谁。如果说的是美国,美国可能是最稳定的国家之一,但目前它正在处理内部问题。西欧的部分地区是一样的,特别是因为他们要处理与很多大国(美国,中国,俄罗斯)和大量移民的问题。如果你说的是挪威或加拿大,那么中国并不安全,因为瑞典是世界上最高安全排名之一,是所有游客、游客、旅行者等的完美胜地。如果你说的是摩尔多瓦,那么中国的一些地区可能更安全,比如执法能力强的富裕城市,和偏远的农村地区,那里的村庄会自我保护。欧洲往往过于笼统,欧洲在政治、经济和文化上高度多样化。

Brian Collins
In terms of violent crime, China is much safer than any nation in the Americas except Canada, and it is safer than many European countries.
In terms of overall safety though, probably not. China has very high accident rates in almost everything from car crashes to workplace accidents.
While the homicide rate in China is about 1/6th of the US, workplace accidents kill 16 times as many people in China as the US.
Worker fatalities: How does China compare to U.S.?
Pollution deaths are also higher in China than almost anywhere else on earth.
In most countries, more people die in accidents than are murdered. Overall, China is probably less safe than the US, Canada, and most of Europe, at least as a place to work and live in.
However, China is relatively safe in terms of crime.

就暴力犯罪而言,中国比除加拿大以外的任何美洲国家都要安全得多,而且它比许多欧洲国家都安全。
不过,从整体安全的角度来看,可能不是。从车祸到工作场所事故,中国几乎所有领域的事故率都非常高。
虽然中国的凶杀率约为美国的六分之一,但在中国,工作场所事故导致的死亡人数是美国的16倍。
中国的XX死亡人数也比地球上几乎任何其他地方都要高。
在大多数国家,死于事故的人多于被谋杀的人。总体而言,中国可能比美国、加拿大和大多数欧洲国家更不安全,至少作为一个工作和生活的地方来说是这样。
然而,中国在犯罪方面是相对安全的。
Jianguo Shi(回复Brian Collins)

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Murder rate in the US and in China was 4.88vs 0.74(from Wikipedia), which is over 6 times.

美国和中国的谋杀率分别为4.88和0.74(来自维基百科),超过6倍了。

Mervyn Locke
Yes, China is way safer than virtually any Western country. During my 10 years in China I’ve never heard about anyone getting a hair curled on his/her head. Meanwhile in Sweden, I have acquaintances that have got raped, robbed, beaten up and even murdered. And Sweden is supposed to be a relatively safe place. Most of this of course due to reckless mass import of people from less civilized countries.

是的,中国实际上比任何西方国家都安全。在我在中国的10年中,我从来没有听说过周围有人被伤一根毫毛。与此相比,在瑞典我认识的一些熟人被强奸,抢劫,殴打,甚至谋杀。瑞典本应是一个相对安全的地方。当然,这主要是由于大量从文明程度较低的国家进来的人口。
Chen Haicun(回复Mervyn Locke)

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Yes and the officials are so nice as to have you invited over for tea and have a chat over your recent internet posts.

是的,你会因为最近发帖聊天被很高兴地请喝茶。
Haiyan Chen(回复Chen Haicun)

Have you ever been invited? I didn''''t。 Although I like to comment on some current affairs on micro-blog.

你被请过?反正我没有,尽管我很喜欢在微博谈论一些时事。

Chan Roberts
I don’t know what the “statistics” are (though statistics are on the ever-worsening spectrum of “lies, damned lies, and statistics”), but I can tell you from my subjective experience is that it is safer here.
As a funny-looking foreign guy in a “small” (by Chinese standards) city, I am quite noticeable, which, theoretically, would make me an easy target. (I certainly would be a target on the east side of Buffalo, the south side of Chicago, or in the Los Angeles suburb of Compton). But here in China that simply doesn’t happen. I can walk the streets at night without fear. I get looks from people because I’m an oddity, a novelty, not because they want to harm me.
That isn’t to say crime doesn’t happen here, but it’s a fairly rare occurrence.

我不知道“统计”是什么(虽然统计是在“谎言,该死的谎言,统计”浮动),但我可以根据我的主观经验告诉你,中国更安全。
作为一个长相滑稽的外国人,在一个“小”(按照中国标准)城市里,我是相当引人注目的,从理论上讲,这会使我很容易成为目标。(我肯定会成为布法罗东区、芝加哥南区或洛杉矶郊区康普顿的目标)。但在中国,这种情况根本不会发生。我可以在晚上走在街上而不担心害怕。别人看我只因为我是一个怪人,一个新奇的人,而不是因为他们想伤害我。
这并不是说这里不会发生犯罪,但这里相当罕见。

Albert Ip
In China, you don’t need to worry about a policeman shooting you death just because he thinks you may have a gun.
Chinese police don’t even carry a gun, yet a random Chinese won’t rob you. Strange, isn’t it?
Walking in China is generally safe as long as you don’t try crossing a road, no matter what is the time. In case you need to cross a road, just ask a local to hold your hand and cross the road. In most cases, you will survive.

在中国,你不必担心警察只因为他认为你可能有枪而开枪打死你。
中国警察甚至不带枪,但随便一个中国人不会抢劫你。很奇怪,不是吗?
在中国散步通常是安全的,无论什么时候,只除了过马路。如果你需要过马路,只要让当地人牵着你的手过马路就行了。在大多数情况下,你会活下来的。

Wang Weiwei
I am Chinese I can tell you some law in China . In China violence crime is seriously , if you steal wallet from someone and he didn’t realize you will be in jail for days maybe months.But if you pick a knife rob someone even only 10 rmb about 1.5 usdollar. you going to jail for years because it is violence crime even it is only 1 dollar .It is a matter of knife not money. Have a gun in China is illegal if you use a gun it is a huge crime you will be in jail for years many many years maybe the rest of your life. If a gun crime happens the director of police station will be In Big pressure because if The police cannot take the suspect then the government will take the director replaced .

我是中国人,我可以告诉你一些中国的法律。在中国,暴力犯罪是很严重的事,如果你偷了某人的钱包,你会在监狱里呆上几天甚至几个月。但是如果你拿起一把刀抢劫某人,哪怕只有10元人民币,大约1.5美元,你会坐牢很多年,因为这是暴力犯罪,即使只有1美元。这是刀的问题,而不是钱的问题。在中国拥有枪支是非法的,如果你使用枪支,那就是巨大的犯罪,你将在监狱里呆上几年,很多年甚至可能待上余生的时间。如果发生枪支犯罪,派出所所长将面临很大的压力,因为如果警察不能抓获嫌疑人,那么就会更换警长。

Daniela Tavares
Well acording to the Global Peace Index, no.
The index rates global peace using three broad themes: the level of safety and security in society, the extent of domestic and international conflict and the degree of militarization.
The top tree safest or, most peacefull, countries are Iceland, New Zealand and Portugal followed by Austria, Denmark, and Czech Republic and Slovenia all four of them European countries. Then we have Canada, from north America, at number 8 and at number 9 Switzerland, there are more European countries around those numbers, like Germany at number 16
The first south american coutry is Chile at number 24, and from central america is Costa Rica at number 34.
China it self is at number 116, only two rankings under USA that sits at number 114 from a total of 163 countries.
So no, China is not safer that Europe or America, but it is above some south American countries and very close to the USA.

根据全球和平指数,并没有更安全。
该指数以三个因素来评估全球和平:社会安全保障水平、国内和国际冲突程度以及军事化程度。
最安全、最和平的国家是冰岛、新西兰和葡萄牙,其次是奥地利、丹麦、捷克共和国和斯洛文尼亚,这四个国家都是欧洲国家。然后是加拿大,来自北美,排名第8,瑞士排名第9,有比较多的欧洲国家,比如德国排名第16
第一个南美国家是智利,排在第24位,中美洲国家是哥斯达黎加,排在第34位。
中国它本身排名116位,在总共163个国家中次于排第114位的美国。所以中国并不比欧美更安全,但它比南美一些国家更安全,而且非常接近美国。

Adele Zhang
I will say yes. Because China doesn''''t have a traditional religion, terrorists don''''t have any reason to launch an attack. There are few foreigners in China, most of the people in China are Chinese.
Also, China is not strong enough to protect the peaceful environment for the whole world ( I mean same as America). So less terrorists will focus on China. They don''''t have any target in China.
By the way, China has really strong troops and security checking system to fight against them.
These are good for China to create a safety environment, so I think China is safer.

我觉得是。因为中国没有传统宗教,XX分子没有任何理由发动袭击。
在中国外国人很少,大多数都是中国人。
而且,中国还不够强大,不足以保护整个世界的和平环境(我的意思像美国那样)。所以更少的XX分子会关注中国。他们在中国没有任何目标。
顺便说一句,中国有非常强大的军队和安全检查系统来打击他们。这些都有利于中国创造一个安全的环境,所以我认为中国更安全。

Kitty Smith
Unlike much of the world, China''''s economy has been thriving in recent years and the country boasts the fourth-highest gross domestic product (GDP) in the world. Jobless and homeless rates are relatively low, which translates to a low crime rate as well. You hear about the occasional pickpocketing, but violence, particularly targeted against foreigners, is very rare.
Well, this question is a very individual one and it depends much upon your personality, the way you can handle hardshiphs or new and unexpected things and your perspective about life itself.
From my experience, I feel very safe

与世界上许多国家不同,中国经济近年来一直在蓬勃发展,中国拥有世界第四高的国内生产总值(GDP)。失业率和无家可归率相对较低,这也意味着犯罪率很低。听说过偶尔的扒手,但暴力特别是针对外国人的暴力,是非常罕见的。
嗯,这个问题是一个非常个人化的问题,它很大程度上取决于你的个性,你处理困难或意想不到的事的方式,以及你对生活本身的看法。
从我的经验来看,我觉得很安全。
Jianguo Shi(回复Kitty Smith)

The world harping on about China having a forth highest GDP must be something happened more than 10 years ago.

全世界喋喋不休地谈论中国的GDP排名第四,这是10多年前的事情了。

Peter Jia
Definitely. China is the safest country in the world. With the tight control of guns in China, it has become the country with most safety in the world. Either the 1st tier cities or the small townships, it is always safe. You can walk back to your hotel after you get finish with your nightlife, no one will bother you. In addition, Chinese public security office is alway reachable with number of 110. So don’t worry.

肯定是更安全的。中国是世界上最安全的国家。随着中国对枪支的严格控制,它已经成为世界上最安全的国家。无论是一线城市还是小城镇,都是安全的。你可以在结束夜生活后步行回酒店,没有人会打扰你。此外,中国公安局电话号码110始终可接通。所以别担心。

Anonymous
I have never gone to Europe, but I have gone to Northeastern US and Eastern China. Apart from a few warzone cities in US (e.g. Baltimore and Detroit), I feel Northeastern US and Eastern China are largely the same. Well, actually I felt unsafe when I took bus in China. Oh, by the way, those pushy pimps in China are really annoying.
The thing is, in US, when people see one of the following:
Africans
Latinos
Prostitutes
Drunkard
Homeless
They will automatically label that place as unsafe. Anyway, in US, I walked around at 1 am, 2 am, or 3 am and I simply minded my own business, nothing happened to me.

我从未去过欧洲,但我去过美国东北部和中国东部。除了美国的几个战区城市(例如巴尔的摩和底特律),我觉得美国东北部和中国东部在很大程度上是一样的。嗯,其实我在中国坐公交车的时候感觉不安全。哦,顺便说一下,中国的皮条客真的很烦人。
问题是,在美国,当人们看到以下情况之一时:
非洲人。
拉丁裔。
妓女。
酒鬼。
无家可归的。
他们会自动给那个地方贴上不安全的标签。无论如何,在美国,我在凌晨1点,2点或3点走来走去,我也只是关心我自己的事情,什么事也没有发生。

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