印度法院裁定：不脱衣服的猥亵行为不属于性侵犯
正文翻译
(CNN)A court in India has ruled that groping a child through their clothing does not constitute sexual assault, drawing outrage across the country and frustrating campaigners battling to address widespread sexual abuse against women and children.
CNN报道：印度一家法院裁定，隔着衣服猥亵儿童不构成性侵犯。这一裁决在印度全国引起了愤怒，并让一些活动人士深感挫败，他们致力于解决印度普遍存在的针对妇女和儿童的性虐待问题。
（译者莫名想到这个图……）
(CNN)A court in India has ruled that groping a child through their clothing does not constitute sexual assault, drawing outrage across the country and frustrating campaigners battling to address widespread sexual abuse against women and children.
CNN报道：印度一家法院裁定，隔着衣服猥亵儿童不构成性侵犯。这一裁决在印度全国引起了愤怒，并让一些活动人士深感挫败，他们致力于解决印度普遍存在的针对妇女和儿童的性虐待问题。
In a judgment last week, Bombay High Court judge Pushpa Ganediwala found that a 39-year-old man was not guilty of sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl as he had not removed her clothes, meaning there was no skin-on-skin contact.
在上周的一次判决中，印度高等法院的法官Pushpa Ganediwala裁定，一名39岁的男子对一名12岁女孩实施性侵犯的罪名不成立，因为他没有脱下女孩的衣服，这意味着不存在肌肤接触。
在上周的一次判决中，印度高等法院的法官Pushpa Ganediwala裁定，一名39岁的男子对一名12岁女孩实施性侵犯的罪名不成立，因为他没有脱下女孩的衣服，这意味着不存在肌肤接触。
According to court documents, the man brought the child to his house on the pretext of giving her guava in December 2016. While there, he touched her chest and tried to remove her underwear, according to the judgment.
根据法庭文件，这名男子于2016年12月，以给那名孩子番石榴为借口，将她带到家里。根据判决，他在那里触摸了后者的胸部，并试图脱下她的内衣。
根据法庭文件，这名男子于2016年12月，以给那名孩子番石榴为借口，将她带到家里。根据判决，他在那里触摸了后者的胸部，并试图脱下她的内衣。
He was found guilty of sexual assault and sentenced to three years in prison in a lower court, but then appealed to the High Court.
他在较低层级的法院被犯有判性侵罪，并被判处三年监禁，但随后他向高等法院上诉。
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他在较低层级的法院被犯有判性侵罪，并被判处三年监禁，但随后他向高等法院上诉。
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In her judgment on January 19, Justice Ganediwala found that his act "would not fall in the definition of 'sexual assault,'" which carries a minimum three year prison term which can be extended to five years.
Ganediwala法官在1月19日的判决中认为，他的行为“不符合‘性侵犯’的定义”。如果被判性侵，至少需要判处3年监禁，可以延长到5年。
Ganediwala法官在1月19日的判决中认为，他的行为“不符合‘性侵犯’的定义”。如果被判性侵，至少需要判处3年监禁，可以延长到5年。
"Considering the stringent nature of punishment provided for the offense, in the opinion of this court, stricter proof and serious allegations are required," she wrote. India's Protection of Children From Sexual Offenses Act 2012 does not explicitly state that skin-on-skin contact is needed to constitute the crime of sexual assault.
她写道:“在本法庭看来，要对被告进行如此严厉的惩罚，需要更严格的证据和严重的指控。”但印度的《2012年保护儿童免受性侵犯法案》并没有明确规定皮肤接触是构成性侵犯罪的必要条件。
她写道:“在本法庭看来，要对被告进行如此严厉的惩罚，需要更严格的证据和严重的指控。”但印度的《2012年保护儿童免受性侵犯法案》并没有明确规定皮肤接触是构成性侵犯罪的必要条件。
Justice Ganediwala acquitted the accused of sexual assault but convicted him on the lesser charge of molestation and sentenced him to one year in prison.
Ganediwala法官宣布性侵犯罪名不成立，但判他犯有较轻的猥亵罪，并判处他一年监禁。
Ganediwala法官宣布性侵犯罪名不成立，但判他犯有较轻的猥亵罪，并判处他一年监禁。
"It is the basic principle of criminal jurisprudence that the punishment for an offense shall be proportionate to the seriousness of the crime," she said.
她说:“被告所受的刑罚应与其犯罪的严重程度成正比，这是刑法学的基本原则。”
她说:“被告所受的刑罚应与其犯罪的严重程度成正比，这是刑法学的基本原则。”
India's sexual assault problem
印度的性侵犯问题
印度的性侵犯问题
Indians took to social media after the Bombay High Court decision was released to question the logic of the court decision, which sets a new precedent. Other high courts and lower courts around the country will now need to follow the Bombay High Court's decision.
孟买高等法院的判决公布后，印度人纷纷在社交媒体上质疑该法院的判决逻辑，而这开创了一个新的判例。全国其他高等法院和下级法院现在需要遵循孟买高等法院的决定。
孟买高等法院的判决公布后，印度人纷纷在社交媒体上质疑该法院的判决逻辑，而这开创了一个新的判例。全国其他高等法院和下级法院现在需要遵循孟买高等法院的决定。
The National Commission for Women said it planned to mount a legal challenge to the judgment, which it said will have a "cascading effect on various provisions involving safety and security of women."
全国妇女委员会表示，该组织计划对该判决提出法律挑战，称该判决将“对涉及妇女安全和保障的各项规定产生连锁效应”。
全国妇女委员会表示，该组织计划对该判决提出法律挑战，称该判决将“对涉及妇女安全和保障的各项规定产生连锁效应”。
Karuna Nundy, a lawyer at the Supreme Court of India, the country's top court, called for judges who passed judgments that were "completely contrary to established law" and basic rights to be retrained.
印度最高法院——印度最高法院的律师Karuna Nundy呼吁，那些做出“完全违反现行法律”判决的法官，以及那些享有基本权利的人，应该接受再培训。
印度最高法院——印度最高法院的律师Karuna Nundy呼吁，那些做出“完全违反现行法律”判决的法官，以及那些享有基本权利的人，应该接受再培训。
"Judgments like this contribute to impunity in crimes against girls," she tweeted.
她在推特上写道:“这样的判决有助于针对女孩的犯罪逃脱惩罚。”
她在推特上写道:“这样的判决有助于针对女孩的犯罪逃脱惩罚。”
Ranjana Kumari, the director of non-profit Centre for Social Research, which advocates for women's rights in India, said the judgment is "shameful, outrageous, shocking and devoid of judicial prudence."
在印度倡导妇女权利的非营利社会研究中心主任Ranjana Kumari说，该判决“可耻、令人愤慨、令人震惊，缺乏司法审慎。”
在印度倡导妇女权利的非营利社会研究中心主任Ranjana Kumari说，该判决“可耻、令人愤慨、令人震惊，缺乏司法审慎。”
Sexual assault is huge issue in India, where sexual crimes are often brutal and widespread, but are often poorly dealt with under the country's justice system. Based on official figures from 2018, the rape of a woman is reported every 16 minutes.
在印度性侵犯是一个巨大问题。那里的性犯罪往往残酷且普遍，但在该国的司法体系下，往往被处理的很差劲。根据2018年的官方数据，每16分钟印度就有一名女性被强奸。
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在印度性侵犯是一个巨大问题。那里的性犯罪往往残酷且普遍，但在该国的司法体系下，往往被处理的很差劲。根据2018年的官方数据，每16分钟印度就有一名女性被强奸。
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Following a high-profile case in 2012 when a 23-year-old student was raped and murdered on a New Delhi bus, legal reforms and more severe penalties were introduced.
2012年，一名23岁的学生在新德里的一辆公交车上被强奸并谋杀，这一备受瞩目的案件发生后，印度引入了法律改革和更严厉的惩罚措施。
2012年，一名23岁的学生在新德里的一辆公交车上被强奸并谋杀，这一备受瞩目的案件发生后，印度引入了法律改革和更严厉的惩罚措施。
Those included fast track courts to move rape cases through the justice system swiftly, an amended definition of rape to include anal and oral penetration, and the publication of new government guidelines intended to do away with the two-finger test which purportedly assessed whether a woman had sexual intercourse recently.
其中包括快速审判，通过司法系统迅速处理强奸案件，对强奸的定义进行了修正，将肛交和口交包括在内，印度政府还发布了新的指导方针，旨在废除据称用来评估女性最近是否有性行为的双指测试。
其中包括快速审判，通过司法系统迅速处理强奸案件，对强奸的定义进行了修正，将肛交和口交包括在内，印度政府还发布了新的指导方针，旨在废除据称用来评估女性最近是否有性行为的双指测试。
But high-profile rape cases have continued to hit headlines. Last year, number of cases sparked outrage, including the case of a 13-year-old girl who was raped and found strangled to death in a field, and an 86-year-old woman who was allegedly raped while she waited for the milkman.
但引人注目的强奸案仍不断登上新闻头条。去年，许多案件引发了人们的愤怒，包括一名13岁的女孩被强奸后被勒死在田地里，以及一名86岁的妇女据称在等待送奶员时遭到强奸。
但引人注目的强奸案仍不断登上新闻头条。去年，许多案件引发了人们的愤怒，包括一名13岁的女孩被强奸后被勒死在田地里，以及一名86岁的妇女据称在等待送奶员时遭到强奸。
Activists have pointed to ongoing issues in the justice system. Under India's legal system, for instance, sexually abusing a transgender person carries a maximum sentence of two years in prison.
活动人士指出印度司法系统中存在的问题。例如，在印度的法律体系下，性侵变性人至多可被判两年监禁。
活动人士指出印度司法系统中存在的问题。例如，在印度的法律体系下，性侵变性人至多可被判两年监禁。
（译者莫名想到这个图……）
评论翻译
SoAnonymously
India, come on! Why do you insist on being so pro-rape?
印度，行行好！为什么你如此坚决的支持强奸？
India, come on! Why do you insist on being so pro-rape?
印度，行行好！为什么你如此坚决的支持强奸？
Atlhou
Why the low value of women?
为什么？因为女性在印度的价值很低。
Why the low value of women?
为什么？因为女性在印度的价值很低。
MoMonayyy
Not just women. The judgement for this was about a 39 year old man groping a child...
不仅仅是女性。这个判决是关于一个39岁的男人猥亵一个孩子……
Not just women. The judgement for this was about a 39 year old man groping a child...
不仅仅是女性。这个判决是关于一个39岁的男人猥亵一个孩子……
Atlhou
Ouch, sickville.
呃，变态的恶棍。
Ouch, sickville.
呃，变态的恶棍。
SebRLuck
I think it's important to note here that the judge in question is a woman.
I'm also a bit confused regarding the terms used in the article. It states that the defendant was acquitted of sexual assault but instead found guilty of molestation. From my understanding, those terms are commonly used synonymously. There may be a slightly different understanding of those two terms in India, which I, however, don't know. Maybe someone else has more insight.
我认为这里需要注意的是，本案法官是位女性。
文章中使用的术语也让我有点困惑。它说，被告被判性侵犯罪不成立，但被判猥亵罪成立。根据我的理解，这些术语通常是同义词。印度人对这两个词的理解可能略有不同，但我不知道。也许有人的理解力更强。
I think it's important to note here that the judge in question is a woman.
I'm also a bit confused regarding the terms used in the article. It states that the defendant was acquitted of sexual assault but instead found guilty of molestation. From my understanding, those terms are commonly used synonymously. There may be a slightly different understanding of those two terms in India, which I, however, don't know. Maybe someone else has more insight.
我认为这里需要注意的是，本案法官是位女性。
文章中使用的术语也让我有点困惑。它说，被告被判性侵犯罪不成立，但被判猥亵罪成立。根据我的理解，这些术语通常是同义词。印度人对这两个词的理解可能略有不同，但我不知道。也许有人的理解力更强。
Ma_Baoguo
India-the homeland of rapists
印度，强奸犯的家园。
India-the homeland of rapists
印度，强奸犯的家园。
Bommando
Read the article. This isn’t pro-rape, it’s just defining the difference between “molestation” and “assault”. Both are crimes.
Personally, I think groping through clothes is also assault and the sentences for these crimes are far too lenient. But calling them pro-rape is disingenuous.
Let’s hope international pressure influences India to further reform their justice system to serve victims better. Same for any other country with room to improve.
看看原文吧。那位法官并不是支持强奸，只是在定义“骚扰”和“侵犯”之间的区别。两者都是犯罪。
就我个人而言，我认为隔着衣服猥亵也是侵犯，而且这些罪行的判决太过宽大。但说这些判决在支持强奸是不诚实的。
希望国际压力能影响到印度，使其进一步改革司法体系，更好地为受害者服务。希望任何其他有改进空间的国家也都是如此。
Read the article. This isn’t pro-rape, it’s just defining the difference between “molestation” and “assault”. Both are crimes.
Personally, I think groping through clothes is also assault and the sentences for these crimes are far too lenient. But calling them pro-rape is disingenuous.
Let’s hope international pressure influences India to further reform their justice system to serve victims better. Same for any other country with room to improve.
看看原文吧。那位法官并不是支持强奸，只是在定义“骚扰”和“侵犯”之间的区别。两者都是犯罪。
就我个人而言，我认为隔着衣服猥亵也是侵犯，而且这些罪行的判决太过宽大。但说这些判决在支持强奸是不诚实的。
希望国际压力能影响到印度，使其进一步改革司法体系，更好地为受害者服务。希望任何其他有改进空间的国家也都是如此。
RjctdNerd
Ask the legislation and supreme court bruv. Personally, I'd make the offender drink boiling oil.
你去问立法者和最高法院啊，兄弟。就我个人而言，我会给这个罪犯喝下滚烫的油。
Ask the legislation and supreme court bruv. Personally, I'd make the offender drink boiling oil.
你去问立法者和最高法院啊，兄弟。就我个人而言，我会给这个罪犯喝下滚烫的油。
dihedral3
India, what the fuck?
印度，你他妈怎么了?
India, what the fuck?
印度，你他妈怎么了?
meesh122183
Like what in the actual fuck is wrong with them
他们究竟什么毛病？
Like what in the actual fuck is wrong with them
他们究竟什么毛病？
Zellim74
The judge should be groped aggressively by the balls.
应该狠狠的捏爆这位法官的蛋蛋。
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The judge should be groped aggressively by the balls.
应该狠狠的捏爆这位法官的蛋蛋。
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MoMonayyy
Worse, it was a female judge.
更糟糕的是，这是一位女法官。
Worse, it was a female judge.
更糟糕的是，这是一位女法官。
Zellim74
Well then, guess she needs tRump in her life. Sorry it is an unfortunate setup that was too horrible to pass up.
好吧，看来她的生活中需要特朗普（强奸犯？）。抱歉，这是个糟糕的判决，太可怕了，不能一带而过。
Well then, guess she needs tRump in her life. Sorry it is an unfortunate setup that was too horrible to pass up.
好吧，看来她的生活中需要特朗普（强奸犯？）。抱歉，这是个糟糕的判决，太可怕了，不能一带而过。
Apellosine
Who was defining legal terms, groping vs. molestation. Please read before commenting.
这位法官在定义法律术语，性骚扰和性侵犯。评论前请先阅读原文。
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Who was defining legal terms, groping vs. molestation. Please read before commenting.
这位法官在定义法律术语，性骚扰和性侵犯。评论前请先阅读原文。
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MoMonayyy
I did. You don’t think it’s messed up regardless? She said it didn’t count as sexual assault because there was no skin to skin contact. The sentence for molestation is one year and sexual assault is three. I think you’re missing the point that the entire way of defining these legal terms is morally wrong.
我看了。无论怎样，你不觉得这个判决很混乱吗?她说这不算性侵犯，因为没有皮肤接触。猥亵罪是一年，性侵犯罪是三年。我认为你忽略了一点，定义这些法律术语的做法在道德上是完全错误的。
I did. You don’t think it’s messed up regardless? She said it didn’t count as sexual assault because there was no skin to skin contact. The sentence for molestation is one year and sexual assault is three. I think you’re missing the point that the entire way of defining these legal terms is morally wrong.
我看了。无论怎样，你不觉得这个判决很混乱吗?她说这不算性侵犯，因为没有皮肤接触。猥亵罪是一年，性侵犯罪是三年。我认为你忽略了一点，定义这些法律术语的做法在道德上是完全错误的。
Boricfezu
And this shows you didn't even read the article same as everyone else here. Why are you comment If you clearly don't care to do some research?
Stop reading ONLY headlines!!!!! People like you are why Trump happened.
In India groping has a specific charge but is also in sexual assault meaning there needs to be a line. And the judge ruled that the line according to the laws is clothing.
这说明你读这篇文章的方式和这里的其他人不一样。你显然不想深入研究，为什么还要发表评论?
不要只读标题！！！就是因为你这样的人，特朗普才会上台。
在印度，性骚扰有特定的判决，性侵犯也是，这意味着二者需要有一个界限。而这位法官根据法律制定的裁定界限，是受害者的衣服是否被脱下。
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And this shows you didn't even read the article same as everyone else here. Why are you comment If you clearly don't care to do some research?
Stop reading ONLY headlines!!!!! People like you are why Trump happened.
In India groping has a specific charge but is also in sexual assault meaning there needs to be a line. And the judge ruled that the line according to the laws is clothing.
这说明你读这篇文章的方式和这里的其他人不一样。你显然不想深入研究，为什么还要发表评论?
不要只读标题！！！就是因为你这样的人，特朗普才会上台。
在印度，性骚扰有特定的判决，性侵犯也是，这意味着二者需要有一个界限。而这位法官根据法律制定的裁定界限，是受害者的衣服是否被脱下。
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Zellim74
I usually do read the articles, and you're right in that aspect. However, my point still stands. If you get groped by someone or dry humped by a stranger on the bus, it is still sexual assault in my book.
我通常确实会读原文，而且在这个问题上你是对的。然而，我的观点仍然成立。在我看来，无论在公交车上是被别人摸了，还是被陌生人XX了，那都是性侵犯。
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I usually do read the articles, and you're right in that aspect. However, my point still stands. If you get groped by someone or dry humped by a stranger on the bus, it is still sexual assault in my book.
我通常确实会读原文，而且在这个问题上你是对的。然而，我的观点仍然成立。在我看来，无论在公交车上是被别人摸了，还是被陌生人XX了，那都是性侵犯。
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Boricfezu
"it is still sexual assault in my book." well that's your opinion and that's why you should never be a judge because a judge isn't supposed to think like that.
Like you BLAMED the judge then you used your own personal opinion to justify you being against a legal decision about if a law covers something. It's not the judges fault India has groping is under two different laws.
If you want to blame the Indian government or there culture sure but don't blame a person for doing there JOB!!!
"在我看来这仍然是性侵犯"好吧，这是你的观点，这就是为什么你永远不应该成为一名法官，因为法官不应该这样想。
你指责这位法官，然后你又用自己的个人观点来证明你反对一项法律是否涵盖某些东西的决定。这不是法官的错，印度对性骚扰有两项不同的法律。
如果你想责怪印度政府或印度文化，当然可以，但不要责怪从事那项工作的人!!
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"it is still sexual assault in my book." well that's your opinion and that's why you should never be a judge because a judge isn't supposed to think like that.
Like you BLAMED the judge then you used your own personal opinion to justify you being against a legal decision about if a law covers something. It's not the judges fault India has groping is under two different laws.
If you want to blame the Indian government or there culture sure but don't blame a person for doing there JOB!!!
"在我看来这仍然是性侵犯"好吧，这是你的观点，这就是为什么你永远不应该成为一名法官，因为法官不应该这样想。
你指责这位法官，然后你又用自己的个人观点来证明你反对一项法律是否涵盖某些东西的决定。这不是法官的错，印度对性骚扰有两项不同的法律。
如果你想责怪印度政府或印度文化，当然可以，但不要责怪从事那项工作的人!!
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Zellim74
So getting a Texas Titty Twister is okay, because the judge wouldn't take the victim's side and downgraded the charges. This is what infuriates me. This ruling will perpetuate what's wrong not progress past it.
所以胡乱摸别人也没关系，因为这位法官没有站在受害者一边，并且降低了刑罚。这是让我生气的地方。这一裁决将使该错误永久化，而不是超越错误实现进步。
So getting a Texas Titty Twister is okay, because the judge wouldn't take the victim's side and downgraded the charges. This is what infuriates me. This ruling will perpetuate what's wrong not progress past it.
所以胡乱摸别人也没关系，因为这位法官没有站在受害者一边，并且降低了刑罚。这是让我生气的地方。这一裁决将使该错误永久化，而不是超越错误实现进步。
Boricfezu
Do you just not understand how judges work? It's not a judges place to make progress on something here because that's irrelevant, as I said it's about if a law applies or not.
Like she downgraded the charges because it didn't mean the criteria according to her. I swear people on reddit like you don't understand what a judge does they're don't make laws!!!! And are supposed to be unbiased. They make decisions based on how laws are worded and what falls into them and things like that.
If Indian laws don't do enough against sexual assault that's not on the judge that's on the laws and the people who make them.
你难道不明白法官是怎么工作的吗?在某件事上取得进步并不是法官的职责，因为那跟他的工作不相干，就像我说的，这件事关系到某项法律是否适用。
比如你说她降低了刑罚，因为这并不代表标准是她提出的。我发誓reddit上像你一样的人不明白法官在做什么，他们不负责制定法律!!!!而法官应该是公正的。他们是根据法律的条文，以及法律所包含的内容来做决出定的。
如果印度法律在反对性侵犯方面做得不够，那问题不在于这位法官，而是在于法律和制定法律的人。
Do you just not understand how judges work? It's not a judges place to make progress on something here because that's irrelevant, as I said it's about if a law applies or not.
Like she downgraded the charges because it didn't mean the criteria according to her. I swear people on reddit like you don't understand what a judge does they're don't make laws!!!! And are supposed to be unbiased. They make decisions based on how laws are worded and what falls into them and things like that.
If Indian laws don't do enough against sexual assault that's not on the judge that's on the laws and the people who make them.
你难道不明白法官是怎么工作的吗?在某件事上取得进步并不是法官的职责，因为那跟他的工作不相干，就像我说的，这件事关系到某项法律是否适用。
比如你说她降低了刑罚，因为这并不代表标准是她提出的。我发誓reddit上像你一样的人不明白法官在做什么，他们不负责制定法律!!!!而法官应该是公正的。他们是根据法律的条文，以及法律所包含的内容来做决出定的。
如果印度法律在反对性侵犯方面做得不够，那问题不在于这位法官，而是在于法律和制定法律的人。
Zellim74
Indian judges must be completely different than US judges. Reference our many Supreme court rulings that some conservatives call legislation from the bench. It can be done.
印度法官一定和美国法官完全不同。就像我们最高法院的许多裁决，都是根据一些保守派人士在审判桌上提出的法条做出的。这是可以做到的。
Indian judges must be completely different than US judges. Reference our many Supreme court rulings that some conservatives call legislation from the bench. It can be done.
印度法官一定和美国法官完全不同。就像我们最高法院的许多裁决，都是根据一些保守派人士在审判桌上提出的法条做出的。这是可以做到的。
Boricfezu
Please learn how the US government works please because I don't think you know what the supreme court is. In the case of the supreme court they can say if something is legal like abortion but that's only because it's a different type of issue because that's about rights not what law covers what.
And not to mention the judge shouldn't care about right or wrong that's not there place(unless it's relevant) they should only care about what is correct in term of law because that's their job.
请了解一下美国政府是如何运作的，因为我认为你不知道最高法院是什么。在最高法院，他们可以判断某些事情是否合法，比如堕胎，但那只是因为那是一个不同类型的问题，因为那是关于权利的问题，而不是法律涵盖什么的问题。
更不用说，法官不应该关心对或错(除非与法律相关)，他们应该只关心法律条款上的正确，因为这才是他们的工作。
Please learn how the US government works please because I don't think you know what the supreme court is. In the case of the supreme court they can say if something is legal like abortion but that's only because it's a different type of issue because that's about rights not what law covers what.
And not to mention the judge shouldn't care about right or wrong that's not there place(unless it's relevant) they should only care about what is correct in term of law because that's their job.
请了解一下美国政府是如何运作的，因为我认为你不知道最高法院是什么。在最高法院，他们可以判断某些事情是否合法，比如堕胎，但那只是因为那是一个不同类型的问题，因为那是关于权利的问题，而不是法律涵盖什么的问题。
更不用说，法官不应该关心对或错(除非与法律相关)，他们应该只关心法律条款上的正确，因为这才是他们的工作。
Zellim74
Interpretation of the law is what the Supreme Court does. Sometimes it is bad, Citizens United. If let's say a perpetrator wears cotton gloves and finger bangs a kid the law would have to uphold the law according to your view. Judges inherently care about right and wrong from their viewpoint. They are human and part of their culture. I say intent is the main point to be considered. Being a lout that grabs butts is not the same as a rapist, I get that. But an arbitrary decision that places cloth as the deciding factor over what charges to bring not based on intent seems like taking the wrong side of an issue.
解释法律是最高法院的职责。有时是不好的，比如“联合公民”案。比如说，一个犯人戴着棉手套，给了小孩一个脑瓜崩，那么根据你的观点，是否必须支持法律。从法官的观点来看，他们天生就应该关心是非。他们是人类，这也是他们文化的一部分。我认为犯人的意图是需要考虑的重点。我明白抓别人屁股的大汉和强奸犯是不一样的。但是，这个判决武断了，它把是否脱衣服作为决定刑罚的因素，而不是基于犯人的意图，似乎搞错了问题的重点。
Interpretation of the law is what the Supreme Court does. Sometimes it is bad, Citizens United. If let's say a perpetrator wears cotton gloves and finger bangs a kid the law would have to uphold the law according to your view. Judges inherently care about right and wrong from their viewpoint. They are human and part of their culture. I say intent is the main point to be considered. Being a lout that grabs butts is not the same as a rapist, I get that. But an arbitrary decision that places cloth as the deciding factor over what charges to bring not based on intent seems like taking the wrong side of an issue.
解释法律是最高法院的职责。有时是不好的，比如“联合公民”案。比如说，一个犯人戴着棉手套，给了小孩一个脑瓜崩，那么根据你的观点，是否必须支持法律。从法官的观点来看，他们天生就应该关心是非。他们是人类，这也是他们文化的一部分。我认为犯人的意图是需要考虑的重点。我明白抓别人屁股的大汉和强奸犯是不一样的。但是，这个判决武断了，它把是否脱衣服作为决定刑罚的因素，而不是基于犯人的意图，似乎搞错了问题的重点。
Apellosine
It is the reason why there is a delineation between premeditated murder and manslaughter. They both end up with a homicide but one crime is obviously worse. The judge's ruling in no way says that what the defendant did was right or shouldn't be punished.
这就是为什么预谋谋杀和过失杀人之间存在界限。二者最终都是谋杀，但其中一种犯罪显然更加严重。这位法官的裁决并没有说被告的行为是正确的，或者不应该受到惩罚。
It is the reason why there is a delineation between premeditated murder and manslaughter. They both end up with a homicide but one crime is obviously worse. The judge's ruling in no way says that what the defendant did was right or shouldn't be punished.
这就是为什么预谋谋杀和过失杀人之间存在界限。二者最终都是谋杀，但其中一种犯罪显然更加严重。这位法官的裁决并没有说被告的行为是正确的，或者不应该受到惩罚。
RjctdNerd
This shows you know nothing about the parts of India that are still backward. The police won't even register the case, because of imperfections in statements, such as the post. Moreover, they don't even know that whether or not laws exist, and better yet, the changes that happen such as these.
Well you see, morality in India doesn't work the same way as it does in other countries. Its weird to hear something like this from an Indian himself.
This is the reason, that the current Farmer uprisng is even there in the first place. The laws aren't very specific with their claims; they are kind of open ended and hence misinterpreted.
这表明你对印度仍然落后的地方一无所知。（如果这个案件成立，将来）警方甚至不会登记（与这起案件类似的案件），因为该案件的陈述存在缺陷，就像这个帖子里所说的。此外，他们甚至不知道那项法律是否存在，更妙的是，他们不知道法律中竟然存在这样微妙的变化。
嗯，你看，道德在印度的运作方式和在其他国家不一样。从一个印度人自己嘴里听到这样的话，是不是很奇怪。
这就是为什么会出现目前的农民起义。那些法律（三项农业法律）对他们的诉求阐述的不是很明确；它们是开放式的，因此遭到了误解。
This shows you know nothing about the parts of India that are still backward. The police won't even register the case, because of imperfections in statements, such as the post. Moreover, they don't even know that whether or not laws exist, and better yet, the changes that happen such as these.
Well you see, morality in India doesn't work the same way as it does in other countries. Its weird to hear something like this from an Indian himself.
This is the reason, that the current Farmer uprisng is even there in the first place. The laws aren't very specific with their claims; they are kind of open ended and hence misinterpreted.
这表明你对印度仍然落后的地方一无所知。（如果这个案件成立，将来）警方甚至不会登记（与这起案件类似的案件），因为该案件的陈述存在缺陷，就像这个帖子里所说的。此外，他们甚至不知道那项法律是否存在，更妙的是，他们不知道法律中竟然存在这样微妙的变化。
嗯，你看，道德在印度的运作方式和在其他国家不一样。从一个印度人自己嘴里听到这样的话，是不是很奇怪。
这就是为什么会出现目前的农民起义。那些法律（三项农业法律）对他们的诉求阐述的不是很明确；它们是开放式的，因此遭到了误解。
HmmmSureWhatever
Even so, that distinction is a country's own business and doesn't deserve all this scrutiny and mockery around here - it's certainly not as egregious as the headline that has formed the basis of this conversation. There are dozens of equally controversial laws in most countries. Ultimately , both acts are illegal and punishable by jail sentences, the semantics don't matter as much as you'd think.
即便如此，这种区别是一个国家自己的事情，而且不应该遭到这么多的吹毛求疵和嘲笑——问题当然不像这个新闻标题那样令人震惊，而正是这个标题引发了这场对话。大多数国家都有几十条同样存在争议的法律。最后，这两种行为都是非法的，都会被判入狱，其语义并不像你想的那么重要。
Even so, that distinction is a country's own business and doesn't deserve all this scrutiny and mockery around here - it's certainly not as egregious as the headline that has formed the basis of this conversation. There are dozens of equally controversial laws in most countries. Ultimately , both acts are illegal and punishable by jail sentences, the semantics don't matter as much as you'd think.
即便如此，这种区别是一个国家自己的事情，而且不应该遭到这么多的吹毛求疵和嘲笑——问题当然不像这个新闻标题那样令人震惊，而正是这个标题引发了这场对话。大多数国家都有几十条同样存在争议的法律。最后，这两种行为都是非法的，都会被判入狱，其语义并不像你想的那么重要。
Zellim74
So not accepting a country's unenlightened view on a matter shouldn't be called out. That's what I am understanding from my 2 commentators. Many countries have monstrous laws, I call them out too. If we don't support the victims, who will?
印度在这个问题上存在不开明的观点，我们将其说出来，难道这一点都无法接受吗？这是我对本版两个版主的理解。很多国家存在糟糕的法律，我也会讲出来。如果我们不支持那些受害者，谁去支持呢？
So not accepting a country's unenlightened view on a matter shouldn't be called out. That's what I am understanding from my 2 commentators. Many countries have monstrous laws, I call them out too. If we don't support the victims, who will?
印度在这个问题上存在不开明的观点，我们将其说出来，难道这一点都无法接受吗？这是我对本版两个版主的理解。很多国家存在糟糕的法律，我也会讲出来。如果我们不支持那些受害者，谁去支持呢？
HmmmSureWhatever
No, you just don't have any standing to do so, and the situation isn't very clear cut. It's not completely absurd to have a different definition of a crime for clothed touching vs unclothed touching, especially when it was not violent. There is an entire subsection of code for molestation, and sexual touching without removing unclothing and not getting violent is basically the definition of it - the situation fits perfectly. Given that it was with a child, they'll most likely get the maximum sentence possible - and that's how the law should be applied.
There is a lot of research that says that if you equate molestation, sexual assault and rape in terms of punishment, that increases the likelihood of criminals crossing those lines as well since they have nothing to lose
不，你没有任何立场这么做，而且实际情况也不是很清楚。对隔着衣服触碰和不隔着衣服触碰的犯罪有不同的定义，这并不是完全荒谬的做法，尤其是当它不是暴力犯罪的时候。印度法律对性骚扰有一个完整的章节，而且性接触的定义基本上是不脱衣服和不施加暴力——这种情况非常适合。考虑到这是一个孩子，他们很可能会采取可能的最大量刑——这才是法律应该适用的方式。
很多研究表明，如果在惩罚方面把性骚扰、性侵犯和强奸等同起来，那么犯罪分子越界的可能性也会增加，因为反正结果都一样。
No, you just don't have any standing to do so, and the situation isn't very clear cut. It's not completely absurd to have a different definition of a crime for clothed touching vs unclothed touching, especially when it was not violent. There is an entire subsection of code for molestation, and sexual touching without removing unclothing and not getting violent is basically the definition of it - the situation fits perfectly. Given that it was with a child, they'll most likely get the maximum sentence possible - and that's how the law should be applied.
There is a lot of research that says that if you equate molestation, sexual assault and rape in terms of punishment, that increases the likelihood of criminals crossing those lines as well since they have nothing to lose
不，你没有任何立场这么做，而且实际情况也不是很清楚。对隔着衣服触碰和不隔着衣服触碰的犯罪有不同的定义，这并不是完全荒谬的做法，尤其是当它不是暴力犯罪的时候。印度法律对性骚扰有一个完整的章节，而且性接触的定义基本上是不脱衣服和不施加暴力——这种情况非常适合。考虑到这是一个孩子，他们很可能会采取可能的最大量刑——这才是法律应该适用的方式。
很多研究表明，如果在惩罚方面把性骚扰、性侵犯和强奸等同起来，那么犯罪分子越界的可能性也会增加，因为反正结果都一样。
Zellim74
I get what you're saying, but that could also mean as long as there's a piece of cloth between the victim and the perpetrator the sentence will be less. Does the victim need to have the cloth on them or can the perpetrator put on cotton gloves and avoid the harsher punishment? It is extreme, but I feel it is a valid question.
我明白你的意思，但这也可能意味着只要受害人和罪犯之间隔着一块布，刑期就会少一些。为了避免较为严厉的惩罚，罪犯会不会给受害者蒙上一块布，或者戴上棉布手套?这个问题很极端，但我觉得很合理。
I get what you're saying, but that could also mean as long as there's a piece of cloth between the victim and the perpetrator the sentence will be less. Does the victim need to have the cloth on them or can the perpetrator put on cotton gloves and avoid the harsher punishment? It is extreme, but I feel it is a valid question.
我明白你的意思，但这也可能意味着只要受害人和罪犯之间隔着一块布，刑期就会少一些。为了避免较为严厉的惩罚，罪犯会不会给受害者蒙上一块布，或者戴上棉布手套?这个问题很极端，但我觉得很合理。
HmmmSureWhatever
It is a valid question, and I respect your opinion. I myself said I feel this argument should be revisited at some point in the original post. Just that for now, the derision and sarcasm the this whole thread was packed with initially was not exactly deserved
这是一个合理的问题，我尊重你的意见。我自己也说过，我觉得这个观点应该在最初的文章中重新讨论。只是现在，这整个帖子最初所充斥的嘲笑和讽刺并不完全是应得的。
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It is a valid question, and I respect your opinion. I myself said I feel this argument should be revisited at some point in the original post. Just that for now, the derision and sarcasm the this whole thread was packed with initially was not exactly deserved
这是一个合理的问题，我尊重你的意见。我自己也说过，我觉得这个观点应该在最初的文章中重新讨论。只是现在，这整个帖子最初所充斥的嘲笑和讽刺并不完全是应得的。
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InspiredNameHere
I actually think more scrutiny is justified; but not just for India, but for every other country you can think of. We should not just shrug our shoulders and move on with our lives, we should be holding fast and firm on the whole: "Don't be assholes to each other" ruling.
Two wrongs do not make a right in this case. If you have concerns about other countries, than I probably agree with you, and that country should be blasted for their disregard of life and safety just as much as we should to India.
我认为更多的吹毛求疵是合理的；但不只是对印度，还有其他所有我们能想到的国家。我们不应该只是耸耸肩，继续我们的生活，我们应该牢牢地抓住:“不要成为彼此的混蛋”的原则。
在这件事中，别人错了不等于你对了。如果你担心其他国家，我可能会同意你的看法，那个国家应该被抨击为无视生命和安全，就像我们应该抨击印度一样。
I actually think more scrutiny is justified; but not just for India, but for every other country you can think of. We should not just shrug our shoulders and move on with our lives, we should be holding fast and firm on the whole: "Don't be assholes to each other" ruling.
Two wrongs do not make a right in this case. If you have concerns about other countries, than I probably agree with you, and that country should be blasted for their disregard of life and safety just as much as we should to India.
我认为更多的吹毛求疵是合理的；但不只是对印度，还有其他所有我们能想到的国家。我们不应该只是耸耸肩，继续我们的生活，我们应该牢牢地抓住:“不要成为彼此的混蛋”的原则。
在这件事中，别人错了不等于你对了。如果你担心其他国家，我可能会同意你的看法，那个国家应该被抨击为无视生命和安全，就像我们应该抨击印度一样。
HmmmSureWhatever
Constructive criticism, sure. But let's not pretend that's why this post is rising or what most post are here to post about. This is just misinformation being jumped on.
建设性的批评，当然。但我们不要假装这就是这个帖子升级的原因，也不要假装这就是大多帖子发到这里的原因。这只是一种错误的信息。
Constructive criticism, sure. But let's not pretend that's why this post is rising or what most post are here to post about. This is just misinformation being jumped on.
建设性的批评，当然。但我们不要假装这就是这个帖子升级的原因，也不要假装这就是大多帖子发到这里的原因。这只是一种错误的信息。
herstonian
A misogynistic culture that will potentially never change
印度厌恶女性的文化永远不会改变。
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A misogynistic culture that will potentially never change
印度厌恶女性的文化永远不会改变。
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meesh122183
This is such bullshit.
太扯淡了。
This is such bullshit.
太扯淡了。
Boognish84
So providing i keep my clothes on whilst groping, I'm in the clear right?
也就是说，在猥亵的时候，只要我身上穿着衣服，我就没事了，对吧？
So providing i keep my clothes on whilst groping, I'm in the clear right?
也就是说，在猥亵的时候，只要我身上穿着衣服，我就没事了，对吧？
sapereaude4
"Indian courts" lol more like "justice auction stores".
“印度法庭”，哈哈，不如说是“拍卖正义的商店”。
"Indian courts" lol more like "justice auction stores".
“印度法庭”，哈哈，不如说是“拍卖正义的商店”。
HmmmSureWhatever
Before this takes a life of its own and some of the racist elements get their chance to shine - this judgment was not about whether it's a crime or not, it was about what the definition of the crime is. The law says that groping with clothes on amounts to molestation and stripping + touching is assault. Both are crimes, punishable by jail sentences, the latter obviously is harsher (1-5 years vs 3-7 years)
It's like trying to set the rules for homicide vs murder vs manslaughter. The judgment didn't make it legal to grope with clothes on
Fwiw I personally do feel touching with clothes on should be considered for assault, and hopefully they'll review this again sometime.
在这件事变得离奇之前，在某些种族主义元素抓住机会冒头之前，我要说，这个判决并不是说罪犯有没有罪，而是定义他犯了什么罪。印度法律说隔着衣服摸等于性骚扰，而脱光衣服摸是性侵犯。二者都是犯罪，都会被处以有期徒刑，后者很明显更加严厉（一个1-5年，另一个3-7年）。
这就像为杀人，谋杀，过失杀人设定规则。该判决并没有规定隔着衣服摸是合法的。
但我个人认为，隔着衣服摸也应该被认为是性侵犯，希望他们会再次审查这个问题。
Before this takes a life of its own and some of the racist elements get their chance to shine - this judgment was not about whether it's a crime or not, it was about what the definition of the crime is. The law says that groping with clothes on amounts to molestation and stripping + touching is assault. Both are crimes, punishable by jail sentences, the latter obviously is harsher (1-5 years vs 3-7 years)
It's like trying to set the rules for homicide vs murder vs manslaughter. The judgment didn't make it legal to grope with clothes on
Fwiw I personally do feel touching with clothes on should be considered for assault, and hopefully they'll review this again sometime.
在这件事变得离奇之前，在某些种族主义元素抓住机会冒头之前，我要说，这个判决并不是说罪犯有没有罪，而是定义他犯了什么罪。印度法律说隔着衣服摸等于性骚扰，而脱光衣服摸是性侵犯。二者都是犯罪，都会被处以有期徒刑，后者很明显更加严厉（一个1-5年，另一个3-7年）。
这就像为杀人，谋杀，过失杀人设定规则。该判决并没有规定隔着衣服摸是合法的。
但我个人认为，隔着衣服摸也应该被认为是性侵犯，希望他们会再次审查这个问题。
nomoretraitors
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point_me_to_the_exit
Those sentences, though. Both are too short.
但那些刑罚都太短了。
Those sentences, though. Both are too short.
但那些刑罚都太短了。
HmmmSureWhatever
Yeah, the Indian criminal code is derived from the British code when they were there. The sentences in India for most crimes are lower than what Americans are usually used to and more in line with what happens in the UK (who have a far more lenient system than the US)
是的，印度刑法是从英国刑法衍生出来，当时英国人还在印度。在印度，大多数罪行的判决都比美国人通常习惯的要低，而且更符合英国的情况(英国的司法制度比美国宽松得多)。
Yeah, the Indian criminal code is derived from the British code when they were there. The sentences in India for most crimes are lower than what Americans are usually used to and more in line with what happens in the UK (who have a far more lenient system than the US)
是的，印度刑法是从英国刑法衍生出来，当时英国人还在印度。在印度，大多数罪行的判决都比美国人通常习惯的要低，而且更符合英国的情况(英国的司法制度比美国宽松得多)。
cowbunga55
Criminal justice is an issue conservatives are more right on than the left
在刑事司法问题上，保守派比左派更加偏右。
Criminal justice is an issue conservatives are more right on than the left
在刑事司法问题上，保守派比左派更加偏右。
underwaterthoughts
It's almost like we need a strong centrist party taking the best of both systems!
I'll let myself out.
这就好像我们需要一个强大的中间派政党，充分利用两种制度的优势!
就我来吧。
It's almost like we need a strong centrist party taking the best of both systems!
I'll let myself out.
这就好像我们需要一个强大的中间派政党，充分利用两种制度的优势!
就我来吧。
minimuscleR
I... disagree. 5 Years for groping someone is a huge amount of time. Like I obviously think its wrong, but thats a very long punishment for something
我……不同意。对别人动手动脚，就判5年徒刑，可够长了。但我认为这种行为显然是错误的，但对应的惩罚时间太长了。
I... disagree. 5 Years for groping someone is a huge amount of time. Like I obviously think its wrong, but thats a very long punishment for something
我……不同意。对别人动手动脚，就判5年徒刑，可够长了。但我认为这种行为显然是错误的，但对应的惩罚时间太长了。
billy_twice
On the other side of the coin, if you know that's what you're risking and you still do it then that's the choice you made and honestly I can't bring it in myself to give a fuck about anyone who would do this. Let them reap what they sow.
另一方面，如果你知道你在冒这么大的风险，但你还是这么做，那就是你自己的选择。说实话，我一点都不想管那些会做这种事的人。让他们自食其果吧。
On the other side of the coin, if you know that's what you're risking and you still do it then that's the choice you made and honestly I can't bring it in myself to give a fuck about anyone who would do this. Let them reap what they sow.
另一方面，如果你知道你在冒这么大的风险，但你还是这么做，那就是你自己的选择。说实话，我一点都不想管那些会做这种事的人。让他们自食其果吧。
charasi
The racist element taking its chance to shine is CNN
让种族主义元素闪闪发光的是CNN。
The racist element taking its chance to shine is CNN
让种族主义元素闪闪发光的是CNN。
Danhuangmao
What counts as molestation then? Or would you prefer all molestation just be folded into assault?
那你觉得什么是性骚扰呢？或者你希望所有性骚扰都被归类为性侵犯？
原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
What counts as molestation then? Or would you prefer all molestation just be folded into assault?
那你觉得什么是性骚扰呢？或者你希望所有性骚扰都被归类为性侵犯？
原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
HmmmSureWhatever
I just said "should be considered", given what the circumstances were. How violent, threatening or aggressive was it, was there intent to do more etc etc. Just being clothed shouldn't completely eliminate the possibility of it being assault
For example, an idiot copping a feel in a bus or train is molestation, can't make that assault. But if it's a situation where there's more duress and it's committed over a sustained period like 10-15 mins and the mental trauma was more severe, then you have consider making it assault even though the actual act was similar - touching someone over their clothes
我只是说"应该考虑"，具体看当时的情况。暴力程度如何，是否具有威胁或有攻击性，是否有采取更多行动的意图等等。仅仅没有脱衣服不应该完全消除遭到攻击的可能性。
比如，一个白痴在公共汽车或火车上摸人是性骚扰，但不能算性侵犯。但如果是另一种情况，存在更多的胁迫，持续10-15分钟，精神创伤更严重，那么就可以考虑将其视为性侵犯，即使两者的实际行为是相似的——隔着衣服触摸别人。
I just said "should be considered", given what the circumstances were. How violent, threatening or aggressive was it, was there intent to do more etc etc. Just being clothed shouldn't completely eliminate the possibility of it being assault
For example, an idiot copping a feel in a bus or train is molestation, can't make that assault. But if it's a situation where there's more duress and it's committed over a sustained period like 10-15 mins and the mental trauma was more severe, then you have consider making it assault even though the actual act was similar - touching someone over their clothes
我只是说"应该考虑"，具体看当时的情况。暴力程度如何，是否具有威胁或有攻击性，是否有采取更多行动的意图等等。仅仅没有脱衣服不应该完全消除遭到攻击的可能性。
比如，一个白痴在公共汽车或火车上摸人是性骚扰，但不能算性侵犯。但如果是另一种情况，存在更多的胁迫，持续10-15分钟，精神创伤更严重，那么就可以考虑将其视为性侵犯，即使两者的实际行为是相似的——隔着衣服触摸别人。
Danhuangmao
Ah, I see the distinction you're making. Fair.
啊哈，我明白你的区分了，很公平。
Ah, I see the distinction you're making. Fair.
啊哈，我明白你的区分了，很公平。
guruscotty
What the fuck, India court?
So... if I grab their nuts with a pair of plyers, and I don’t take off their clothes, it’s totally cool?
I don’t want to give millions of Indians any ideas about how to handle the court, I’m just trying to zero in on what is acceptable behavior. Wink wink.
搞什么，印度法庭?
所以……如果我用钳子夹住他们的蛋蛋，但没有脱下他们的衣服，我就完全没问题?
我并不是建议数百万印度人这么对待这位法官，只是想详细知道哪种行为可以接受。
What the fuck, India court?
So... if I grab their nuts with a pair of plyers, and I don’t take off their clothes, it’s totally cool?
I don’t want to give millions of Indians any ideas about how to handle the court, I’m just trying to zero in on what is acceptable behavior. Wink wink.
搞什么，印度法庭?
所以……如果我用钳子夹住他们的蛋蛋，但没有脱下他们的衣服，我就完全没问题?
我并不是建议数百万印度人这么对待这位法官，只是想详细知道哪种行为可以接受。
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