网友抱怨大学教育：课堂教两个小时的东西，为什么看五分钟的视频就能学会？
正文翻译
>读课上发的数学教材
>感到无可救药地困扰，一点儿都看不懂
>去上两小时的课，五分钟后就跟不上了
>回家把作业复制粘贴到youtube上
>用了五分钟就弄明白该怎么做了
>读课上发的数学教材
>感到无可救药地困扰，一点儿都看不懂
>去上两小时的课，五分钟后就跟不上了
>回家把作业复制粘贴到youtube上
>用了五分钟就弄明白该怎么做了
评论翻译
Johnnadawearsglasses
Most of school is glorified babysitting combined with societal conditioning
绝大多数学校都不过是光明正大的看孩子和社交康复训练而已。
Most of school is glorified babysitting combined with societal conditioning
绝大多数学校都不过是光明正大的看孩子和社交康复训练而已。
The substantive points can be learned in minutes a day
学校真正教的知识每天花几分钟就能学会了。
学校真正教的知识每天花几分钟就能学会了。
JimmyDonaldson
That's because schools are angry their $100K classes that take 4 years to complete can be summarized into a 6 minute YouTube video for free.
这是因为学校觉得他们花十万美元加上四年时间才能完成的学位在YouTube上花6分钟的时间看一个免费视频就能学会很让人生气。
That's because schools are angry their $100K classes that take 4 years to complete can be summarized into a 6 minute YouTube video for free.
这是因为学校觉得他们花十万美元加上四年时间才能完成的学位在YouTube上花6分钟的时间看一个免费视频就能学会很让人生气。
Edit: my fellow autists, calm down. Part of this comment was meant as a joke.
编辑：我亲爱的自闭网友们，冷静点。这条评论有一部分是玩笑。
编辑：我亲爱的自闭网友们，冷静点。这条评论有一部分是玩笑。
Katholikos
Imagine thinking this unironically
怎么会有人真的这么想
Imagine thinking this unironically
怎么会有人真的这么想
Not to mention, if you're spending that much, you should be going to a super high-end school - at that point, it's not about the education, it's about the connections.
更不用说，假如你花了那么多钱，那么你上的应该是非常优秀的学校——到这个程度，你受到的教育就不重要了，人脉才是重要的。
更不用说，假如你花了那么多钱，那么你上的应该是非常优秀的学校——到这个程度，你受到的教育就不重要了，人脉才是重要的。
That being said, I know a lot of y'all on here are young. Seriously consider trade school. Being a plumber or electrician or mechanic (if you're not a total dumbfuck) can make you damn good money if you're smart about it and eventually go independent. Seriously, college doesn't really pay off like it used to.
话虽如此，我知道这个版有很多人还很年轻。好好考虑考虑职业学校吧。当一个水管工，或电工，或机械师（只要你不是无可救药的傻逼）能让你赚很多钱，只要你够聪明，并且最终能独立工作。真的，现在大学学位可并不像以前那么吃香了。
话虽如此，我知道这个版有很多人还很年轻。好好考虑考虑职业学校吧。当一个水管工，或电工，或机械师（只要你不是无可救药的傻逼）能让你赚很多钱，只要你够聪明，并且最终能独立工作。真的，现在大学学位可并不像以前那么吃香了。
TPCrowbar
That’s why I’m applying with the intent of Nuclear engineering
所以我才在申请核工程方面的学位
That’s why I’m applying with the intent of Nuclear engineering
所以我才在申请核工程方面的学位
stardestroyer001
My advice, don't. Few jobs specifically in nuclear eng. Most eng jobs in nuclear are mech, civil, or electrical.
我的建议是你别申请。核工程以后能找到的工作尤其少。绝大多数核领域的工程师工作都是机械工程，土木工程或是电气工程。
My advice, don't. Few jobs specifically in nuclear eng. Most eng jobs in nuclear are mech, civil, or electrical.
我的建议是你别申请。核工程以后能找到的工作尤其少。绝大多数核领域的工程师工作都是机械工程，土木工程或是电气工程。
Source: mech eng in the industry.
相关：业内的机械工程师
相关：业内的机械工程师
TPCrowbar
Rip, time to do aeronautics then and just work for Raytheon, war isn’t going out of business anytime soon
那完了，干脆学学航空航天给雷神打工吧，毕竟战争财什么时候都能发。
Rip, time to do aeronautics then and just work for Raytheon, war isn’t going out of business anytime soon
那完了，干脆学学航空航天给雷神打工吧，毕竟战争财什么时候都能发。
stardestroyer001
Again kinda the same thing, although I'm not as familiar with the American aerospace industry. But if it's anything like Canada, mech can do / learn an aero's job, making an aero degree mostly redundant. Only reasons to go aero is to do a master's/doctorate or you're looking for a very very specialized job.
那和刚才也差不多，虽然我对美国的航空业了解不多。但假如和加拿大类似的话，那么机械工程的学生可以干，也可以学航空工程的工作，后者的学位就没什么用。学航空唯一的理由，要么是追求硕博学位，要么是你想找一个非常非常专门的工作。
Again kinda the same thing, although I'm not as familiar with the American aerospace industry. But if it's anything like Canada, mech can do / learn an aero's job, making an aero degree mostly redundant. Only reasons to go aero is to do a master's/doctorate or you're looking for a very very specialized job.
那和刚才也差不多，虽然我对美国的航空业了解不多。但假如和加拿大类似的话，那么机械工程的学生可以干，也可以学航空工程的工作，后者的学位就没什么用。学航空唯一的理由，要么是追求硕博学位，要么是你想找一个非常非常专门的工作。
If you want to get paid well, pick an eng degree with versatility. That's mech, electrical, and civil. Everything else is specialized and reduces your chances of getting a job. (Not that an aero can't do a mech's job or vice versa, but employers see the "Bachelor of Aerospace Engineering" on your resume and think you're not able to do anything other than aero.)
假如你只是想多赚点钱，那不如选一个用途多样的学位。比如机械工程，电气工程和土木工程。剩下的都是专业化的方面，并且会降低你找到工作的概率。（并不是说学航空的干不了机械的工作或是反过来，但是用人单位看见你简历上的“航空工程学士”学位之后会觉得你除了航空别的什么也干不了。）
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假如你只是想多赚点钱，那不如选一个用途多样的学位。比如机械工程，电气工程和土木工程。剩下的都是专业化的方面，并且会降低你找到工作的概率。（并不是说学航空的干不了机械的工作或是反过来，但是用人单位看见你简历上的“航空工程学士”学位之后会觉得你除了航空别的什么也干不了。）
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thnksqrd
Specialization is for insects.
只有昆虫才专业化。
Specialization is for insects.
只有昆虫才专业化。
Maddkipz
Id like to apply for a chirping cricket position
您好我想应聘一个叫蝈蝈儿的岗位
Id like to apply for a chirping cricket position
您好我想应聘一个叫蝈蝈儿的岗位
Brichess
Be prepared to suck a professor's dick for 15 years, the non-general fields like aeronautics and ceramics with for the military have like ten dudes actually working in them, and half are there just to suck off the other five
准备好给你的教授拍个十五年的马屁吧，像航空学和陶瓷材料学这种军方背景、非通用的领域一般来说都有十个人工作，其中五个人负责给另外五个人拍马屁。
Be prepared to suck a professor's dick for 15 years, the non-general fields like aeronautics and ceramics with for the military have like ten dudes actually working in them, and half are there just to suck off the other five
准备好给你的教授拍个十五年的马屁吧，像航空学和陶瓷材料学这种军方背景、非通用的领域一般来说都有十个人工作，其中五个人负责给另外五个人拍马屁。
Archensix
If your looking for easy jobs with high pay than comp sci is the way to go. Software engineering isn't going away anytime soon and just about every industry needs them.
假如你想找一个轻松赚大钱的工作，那建议学计科。软件工程仍然有广阔的前景，并且几乎每个行业都需要相关人才。
If your looking for easy jobs with high pay than comp sci is the way to go. Software engineering isn't going away anytime soon and just about every industry needs them.
假如你想找一个轻松赚大钱的工作，那建议学计科。软件工程仍然有广阔的前景，并且几乎每个行业都需要相关人才。
Swade211
The competition for junior positions is incredibly tough. Unless you love it and willing to put in 100% I'm not sure I'd recommend it at the moment
但是这行里对初级岗位的竞争非常激烈。除非你喜欢这一行，愿意花100%的精力在上面，否则至少我不推荐你现在转这行。
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The competition for junior positions is incredibly tough. Unless you love it and willing to put in 100% I'm not sure I'd recommend it at the moment
但是这行里对初级岗位的竞争非常激烈。除非你喜欢这一行，愿意花100%的精力在上面，否则至少我不推荐你现在转这行。
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_SerPounce_
If these jobs are so easy, why do they pay so well?
要是这些工作真的像你说的那么简单，为什么工资还这么高呢？
If these jobs are so easy, why do they pay so well?
要是这些工作真的像你说的那么简单，为什么工资还这么高呢？
lor_louis
Anybody can write code.
谁都能写代码。
Anybody can write code.
谁都能写代码。
Not anyone can design software.
但不是谁都能设计软件。
但不是谁都能设计软件。
ss830
food is always on the list of things that people will always want, food, clothing, (quality) tools, these also don't put blood on your hands (except for maybe tools)
食物是人们永远需要的东西，食物，衣服，（有品质的）工具，这些同时也不会让你受伤（可能工具制造业会受伤？）
food is always on the list of things that people will always want, food, clothing, (quality) tools, these also don't put blood on your hands (except for maybe tools)
食物是人们永远需要的东西，食物，衣服，（有品质的）工具，这些同时也不会让你受伤（可能工具制造业会受伤？）
harrysplixett
I was so retarded i graduated with "renewables engineering" and found out that in renewables they look for mech engs and view people like me basically as unqualified generalists, while the the industry needs specialists.
我太弱智了，拿了个“可再生工程”的学位，然后发现在可再生领域他们招聘的都是机械工程的学生，觉得我们是不够格的一般型人才，而行业需要的是专业的人才。
I was so retarded i graduated with "renewables engineering" and found out that in renewables they look for mech engs and view people like me basically as unqualified generalists, while the the industry needs specialists.
我太弱智了，拿了个“可再生工程”的学位，然后发现在可再生领域他们招聘的都是机械工程的学生，觉得我们是不够格的一般型人才，而行业需要的是专业的人才。
stardestroyer001
It's fine, you're not the first nor the last to fall for it. Universities are scummy businesses that prey on 17 year olds who don't know any better.
这倒还好，你不是第一个，也不是最后一个上这种当的。大学就是专门骗那些什么也不懂的17岁小孩儿的诈骗企业。
It's fine, you're not the first nor the last to fall for it. Universities are scummy businesses that prey on 17 year olds who don't know any better.
这倒还好，你不是第一个，也不是最后一个上这种当的。大学就是专门骗那些什么也不懂的17岁小孩儿的诈骗企业。
TheCapitalKing
Same thing happens to a lot of finance grads. A lot of places prefer accounting or Econ majors
这种事情在金融学毕业生身上也会发生。很多地方更喜欢招会计或经济专业的人才。（译注：其实更更喜欢招有数学背景的基础科学人才）
Same thing happens to a lot of finance grads. A lot of places prefer accounting or Econ majors
这种事情在金融学毕业生身上也会发生。很多地方更喜欢招会计或经济专业的人才。（译注：其实更更喜欢招有数学背景的基础科学人才）
Y0D98
Aye I picked civil engineering. Basically walk into a job as we’re always gonna need infrastructure - pandemic or not
对，我选了土木工程。基本上毫不费力就能找到工作，因为基础设施总要用到我们——无论有没有疫情
Aye I picked civil engineering. Basically walk into a job as we’re always gonna need infrastructure - pandemic or not
对，我选了土木工程。基本上毫不费力就能找到工作，因为基础设施总要用到我们——无论有没有疫情
Mellonhead58
Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to about any niche part of engineering just says to go mech or EE. Or even CS. You’re gonna have more of that in building a rocket or nuke plant than actual Aeros and nukes.
基本上我聊过的所有细分的工程领域人才都会说去学机械工程或电气工程。甚至计算机科学。无论是造火箭还是核电站，这些学科教给你的东西都比真正的航空工程和核工程教的多。
Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to about any niche part of engineering just says to go mech or EE. Or even CS. You’re gonna have more of that in building a rocket or nuke plant than actual Aeros and nukes.
基本上我聊过的所有细分的工程领域人才都会说去学机械工程或电气工程。甚至计算机科学。无论是造火箭还是核电站，这些学科教给你的东西都比真正的航空工程和核工程教的多。
Something something Bayes
比如贝叶斯什么什么的。
比如贝叶斯什么什么的。
Lcopp46
Unless you already have a clear path to a career in nuclear my advice would be try to find a sustainability program with an energy focus if possible. Still looks fine for a nuclear job as well as literally any other renewable field like wind and solar so you get a lot more options to fall back on. I was looking at green building design job listings the other day because the degree looks good for that field of work too so why not
除非你在核电方面已经规划好了非常清楚的职业生涯，不然我的建议就是找一个可持续发展方面的培训项目，如果可能的话和能源方面沾点关系。这样无论是在找核电方面的工作的时候，还是在找风能太阳能等其他可再生能源的工作的时候都有底。我前几天甚至找过绿色建筑设计的工作，因为我的学位很符合他们的要求，所以为什么不试试看呢？
Unless you already have a clear path to a career in nuclear my advice would be try to find a sustainability program with an energy focus if possible. Still looks fine for a nuclear job as well as literally any other renewable field like wind and solar so you get a lot more options to fall back on. I was looking at green building design job listings the other day because the degree looks good for that field of work too so why not
除非你在核电方面已经规划好了非常清楚的职业生涯，不然我的建议就是找一个可持续发展方面的培训项目，如果可能的话和能源方面沾点关系。这样无论是在找核电方面的工作的时候，还是在找风能太阳能等其他可再生能源的工作的时候都有底。我前几天甚至找过绿色建筑设计的工作，因为我的学位很符合他们的要求，所以为什么不试试看呢？
IEatBabies
The vast majority of people repeating this do not work in the trades. The reason their is a lack of trade workers is because most of them are paid like shit once you factor in increased medical costs along with lower quality and shorter lifespan.
大多数跟你们说去职业学校学习的人，他们自己都不干相关的职业。社会缺乏蓝领工人的原因就是一旦你把低生活质量，短人均寿命和高医药消费算进去，这些行业其实薪酬都很低。
The vast majority of people repeating this do not work in the trades. The reason their is a lack of trade workers is because most of them are paid like shit once you factor in increased medical costs along with lower quality and shorter lifespan.
大多数跟你们说去职业学校学习的人，他们自己都不干相关的职业。社会缺乏蓝领工人的原因就是一旦你把低生活质量，短人均寿命和高医药消费算进去，这些行业其实薪酬都很低。
FireFlyKOS
Ive done all sorts of shit jobs, including landscaping/electrical/carpentry laborer.
我这些行业都做过，造景，电工，木工等等。
Ive done all sorts of shit jobs, including landscaping/electrical/carpentry laborer.
我这些行业都做过，造景，电工，木工等等。
Those guys all look 60+ then they tell you over a beer that theyre 37 and falling the fuck apart
那些同事看上去都起码六十岁，然后碰巧一起喝酒的时候告诉你他三十七，身子骨已经快他妈散架了。
那些同事看上去都起码六十岁，然后碰巧一起喝酒的时候告诉你他三十七，身子骨已经快他妈散架了。
BJCWriter
That sounds like peanuts when you compare to film production guys, who regularly work 14-20 hour days for months on end. Not trying to one up you but there's always someone who has it worse. I'm trying to escape the film business and doing landscaping for measly 8 hour days seems heavenly.
这比起来跟影视工业都不叫事儿，我们每天工作14-20个小时，全月无休。我没有和你攀比的意思，只是想说总有人比你更惨。我现在很想离开电影工业，去景观行业工作实施，因为一天八小时对我来说简直是天堂。
That sounds like peanuts when you compare to film production guys, who regularly work 14-20 hour days for months on end. Not trying to one up you but there's always someone who has it worse. I'm trying to escape the film business and doing landscaping for measly 8 hour days seems heavenly.
这比起来跟影视工业都不叫事儿，我们每天工作14-20个小时，全月无休。我没有和你攀比的意思，只是想说总有人比你更惨。我现在很想离开电影工业，去景观行业工作实施，因为一天八小时对我来说简直是天堂。
Slim_Charles
Most of the trades aren't that physically taxing. I know a bunch of old electricians and plumbers that are in fine health. The downside to a trade is that there often isn't a lot of room for growth. You can start out making great money, but the pay doesn't go up much from there unless you start your own business.
绝大多数蓝领职业并不是像你说的那样耗费体力。我认识不少老电工、老水管工，他们的身体都不错。这些职业的缺点其实是上限不高。你可以刚入行就赚大钱，但除非你出去单干，否则工资不会涨得太多。
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Most of the trades aren't that physically taxing. I know a bunch of old electricians and plumbers that are in fine health. The downside to a trade is that there often isn't a lot of room for growth. You can start out making great money, but the pay doesn't go up much from there unless you start your own business.
绝大多数蓝领职业并不是像你说的那样耗费体力。我认识不少老电工、老水管工，他们的身体都不错。这些职业的缺点其实是上限不高。你可以刚入行就赚大钱，但除非你出去单干，否则工资不会涨得太多。
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dustyoldbones96
Yea people here are exaggerating. I loved (past tense) working on cars when I was a kid and became an A tech Diesel mechanic. No schooling just worked my way up studied got a few certifications and had a few lucky breaks. I make excellent money (relatively speaking) now in an expensive area. Mechanics have had a rough go the past 20 years there’s (not surprisingly) a HUGE shortage of them. The work isn’t that strenuous and it keeps you in excellent shape if paired with a good diet. Most laborers treat their body like complete shit, drink, smoke, and are overweight. Yea doing manual labor if your 25-40 pounds overweight is going to hurt your knees and back. You weigh more then your body is meant to handle add on top of that crouching, kneeling, and lifting of course it’ll take a toll on your body
没错，这儿的人都在夸大其词。小时候我曾经（过去式）很喜欢捣鼓车子，后来就成了一名柴油机械师。没上过正经培训，全靠自己琢磨，考了几个证，被幸运眷顾过几次。现在我在一个昂贵的行业领着非常棒（相对来讲）的薪资。过去20年里机械工的日子不算好过，并且（毫不意外地）供不应求。但这一行并没那么费力气，并且假如你饮食规律的话还能让你的体型保持在很好的状态。太多体力劳动者完全不在乎自己的身体，他们喝酒，抽烟，并且过度肥胖。假如你是个体力劳动者，并且比别人胖上25-40磅，那你确实要伤膝盖和后背。你本来就比你身体能支撑的重量要重，何况你还要不断地下蹲，匍匐，举重，那当然是要让你的身体付出代价的。
Yea people here are exaggerating. I loved (past tense) working on cars when I was a kid and became an A tech Diesel mechanic. No schooling just worked my way up studied got a few certifications and had a few lucky breaks. I make excellent money (relatively speaking) now in an expensive area. Mechanics have had a rough go the past 20 years there’s (not surprisingly) a HUGE shortage of them. The work isn’t that strenuous and it keeps you in excellent shape if paired with a good diet. Most laborers treat their body like complete shit, drink, smoke, and are overweight. Yea doing manual labor if your 25-40 pounds overweight is going to hurt your knees and back. You weigh more then your body is meant to handle add on top of that crouching, kneeling, and lifting of course it’ll take a toll on your body
没错，这儿的人都在夸大其词。小时候我曾经（过去式）很喜欢捣鼓车子，后来就成了一名柴油机械师。没上过正经培训，全靠自己琢磨，考了几个证，被幸运眷顾过几次。现在我在一个昂贵的行业领着非常棒（相对来讲）的薪资。过去20年里机械工的日子不算好过，并且（毫不意外地）供不应求。但这一行并没那么费力气，并且假如你饮食规律的话还能让你的体型保持在很好的状态。太多体力劳动者完全不在乎自己的身体，他们喝酒，抽烟，并且过度肥胖。假如你是个体力劳动者，并且比别人胖上25-40磅，那你确实要伤膝盖和后背。你本来就比你身体能支撑的重量要重，何况你还要不断地下蹲，匍匐，举重，那当然是要让你的身体付出代价的。
GoatRocketeer
My pre-med buddies are still in school, but the trade school guys are off to the races.
我读医学预科的哥们儿们还在上学，但那帮读技校的早就冲出起跑线了。
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My pre-med buddies are still in school, but the trade school guys are off to the races.
我读医学预科的哥们儿们还在上学，但那帮读技校的早就冲出起跑线了。
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Just be careful about the trades which require hard manual labor. That shit can fuck your body up real quick if you're not careful
如果你从事需要大量体力劳动的行业的话，小心一点，假如你不够小心，真的会把你的身体搞垮。
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如果你从事需要大量体力劳动的行业的话，小心一点，假如你不够小心，真的会把你的身体搞垮。
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MansourBahrami
That’s the biggest difference, If you want to make money being a doctor, you don’t have to figure out anything other than how to be a doctor.
这是最大的区别，假如你想当医生赚钱，那你除了弄明白怎么当医生之外什么都不用学。
That’s the biggest difference, If you want to make money being a doctor, you don’t have to figure out anything other than how to be a doctor.
这是最大的区别，假如你想当医生赚钱，那你除了弄明白怎么当医生之外什么都不用学。
A plurality of people in the top 1% of income earners are doctors.
收入前1%的人里有一大部分都是医生。
收入前1%的人里有一大部分都是医生。
On the other hand their hours are brutal, unless mom and dad paid for it they start at age usually 32 minimum after med school and then residency and you need some manner of specialization even if it’s short, they begin at that age with hundreds of thousands in debt and they work usually terrible hours.
但另一方面他们的竞争也很残酷，除非爹妈有钱。他们通常从医学院毕业之后就已经32岁了，然后先当实习医生，你还得在某一方面有所专精，他们不仅要在那个年纪开始工作，并且通常背负大量的债务，而且每天要工作很长时间。
但另一方面他们的竞争也很残酷，除非爹妈有钱。他们通常从医学院毕业之后就已经32岁了，然后先当实习医生，你还得在某一方面有所专精，他们不仅要在那个年纪开始工作，并且通常背负大量的债务，而且每天要工作很长时间。
My wife’s a corporate attorney, isn’t climbing the ladder anymore so she just works 8:30-5:30 and that’s it, and doesn’t work weekends, takes her full six weeks off a year, and with stock options and bonus and stuff her comp package is about like a low end doctors at 390k, but she’s 32, and has been making money since she was 22 since she finished up high school and then undergrad each a year early and went at straight to law school and finished up in 2.5 years.
我的妻子是一名公司律师，现在她不再往上挤了，所以每天除了早八晚五就没有别的工作了，并且不需要周末加班，每年休满六周假期，手里有股票期权，有奖金，这些加起来总共年薪39万美元，和一名底层医生差不多，但她今年也是32岁，并且她从22岁那年高中毕业，本科提前毕业一年，两年半读完了法学院之后就开始挣钱了。
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我的妻子是一名公司律师，现在她不再往上挤了，所以每天除了早八晚五就没有别的工作了，并且不需要周末加班，每年休满六周假期，手里有股票期权，有奖金，这些加起来总共年薪39万美元，和一名底层医生差不多，但她今年也是32岁，并且她从22岁那年高中毕业，本科提前毕业一年，两年半读完了法学院之后就开始挣钱了。
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You notice who always tells everyone else not to be a lawyer? Lawyers who don’t want any competition.
你发现是谁一直在劝别人别学法吗？那些不想要竞争的律师。
你发现是谁一直在劝别人别学法吗？那些不想要竞争的律师。
Viramont
All trades require hard manual labor and kick your ass overtime
所有的蓝领职业都需要大量体力劳动，并且会渐渐搞垮你的身子。
All trades require hard manual labor and kick your ass overtime
所有的蓝领职业都需要大量体力劳动，并且会渐渐搞垮你的身子。
aspbergerinparadise
Being a plumber or electrician or mechanic (if you're not a total dumbfuck) can make you damn good money
引用：“当一个水管工，或电工，或机械师（只要你不是无可救药的傻逼）能让你赚很多钱”
Being a plumber or electrician or mechanic (if you're not a total dumbfuck) can make you damn good money
引用：“当一个水管工，或电工，或机械师（只要你不是无可救药的傻逼）能让你赚很多钱”
if you don't mind sacrificing your body and living in pain the rest of your life.
只要你不在意以身体为代价，并且以后的一辈子都生活在痛苦之中。
只要你不在意以身体为代价，并且以后的一辈子都生活在痛苦之中。
Every tradesperson I know over 40 years old has severe back/knee problems.
我认识的每个过40岁的蓝领工人都有严重的背伤或膝关节问题。
我认识的每个过40岁的蓝领工人都有严重的背伤或膝关节问题。
ropibear
Don't consider trade school unless you don't care about being cold/warm, working unstable hours and not having a steady stream of work all the time.
千万别考虑技校，除非你不在乎冷热，不在乎没有规律的工作时长，不在乎没有稳定的工作。
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Don't consider trade school unless you don't care about being cold/warm, working unstable hours and not having a steady stream of work all the time.
千万别考虑技校，除非你不在乎冷热，不在乎没有规律的工作时长，不在乎没有稳定的工作。
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Being a tradie is cool and all, but you start with the shit jobs, whenever you join a crew, you keep on the shit jobs until a newer guy comes along and wgen you go independent, unless you can snap up a guy from your old crew, you're still gonna be doing the shit jobs. Work hours and jobs are not fixed (unless you are an in-house electrician/plumber/repair mech for some company that doesn't specialise in installation).
当个蓝领可能挺酷的，但你刚入行的时候干的工作很恶心，每次你加入一个新团队，你都得干最脏最累的活，直到有新人来替你，并且假如你想单干，除非你能干得过以前团队的人，否则你仍然要干脏活累活。工作时长和工作种类都不固定（除非你是某个不专门负责安装的公司雇佣的室内电工/水管工/维修机械工人）。
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当个蓝领可能挺酷的，但你刚入行的时候干的工作很恶心，每次你加入一个新团队，你都得干最脏最累的活，直到有新人来替你，并且假如你想单干，除非你能干得过以前团队的人，否则你仍然要干脏活累活。工作时长和工作种类都不固定（除非你是某个不专门负责安装的公司雇佣的室内电工/水管工/维修机械工人）。
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Sorry, but this also needs to be said. You don't have to go to college, but trade school isn't the only alternative (and even then, there's much more to it than just construction fields like plumbing, electricity, etc)
抱歉，但我觉得有必要把这些说一下。你确实不一定去读大学，但技校也不是唯一的替代品（就算你去读，可以读的专业也比管道，电力之类的多得多）。
抱歉，但我觉得有必要把这些说一下。你确实不一定去读大学，但技校也不是唯一的替代品（就算你去读，可以读的专业也比管道，电力之类的多得多）。
XxsrorrimxX
I did this and now at 27 my back is FUCKED and I am starting square one in the office world. Go to college kids.
我之前干这行，今年27，我的后背彻底完蛋了，现在我在从零开始坐办公室。去读个大学吧孩子们
I did this and now at 27 my back is FUCKED and I am starting square one in the office world. Go to college kids.
我之前干这行，今年27，我的后背彻底完蛋了，现在我在从零开始坐办公室。去读个大学吧孩子们
whenisme
This is a dumb point, for many reasons.
这个观点非常愚蠢，有很多原因。
This is a dumb point, for many reasons.
这个观点非常愚蠢，有很多原因。
Firstly, not everyone finds it as easy as you.
首先，不是所有人读书都像你一样轻松。
首先，不是所有人读书都像你一样轻松。
Secondly, if you have the basic ability of reading comprehension and can concentrate for more than a minute, textbooks are a fantastic resource for learning. Even some of the worst teachers have experience they can tell you about and skills that they have developed.
其次，假如你有最基础的阅读理解能力，并且能把注意力集中一分钟以上，那么教科书就是很棒的学习资料。就算是最差劲的老师，也可以告诉你们一些他们的人生经验和技能。
其次，假如你有最基础的阅读理解能力，并且能把注意力集中一分钟以上，那么教科书就是很棒的学习资料。就算是最差劲的老师，也可以告诉你们一些他们的人生经验和技能。
Finally, school is not just about learning facts. It's about discussing, asking and answering questions and handing in homework sheets and having them marked. It's also about being given direction via a syllabus to know what to learn next.
最后，学校不只是用来学习知识的地方。学校是讨论，提问并解答问题，交作业并批改的地方。同时也是通过课程大纲告诉你接下来该学什么东西的地方。
最后，学校不只是用来学习知识的地方。学校是讨论，提问并解答问题，交作业并批改的地方。同时也是通过课程大纲告诉你接下来该学什么东西的地方。
In fact, it's not even a purely academic pursuit. It's about making friends and forming relationships and finding hobbies and exploring new subjects.
事实上除了纯学术道路之外也有很多事。你可以交新朋友，可以谈恋爱，可以发现兴趣，可以探索新的科目。
事实上除了纯学术道路之外也有很多事。你可以交新朋友，可以谈恋爱，可以发现兴趣，可以探索新的科目。
The fact that you would call it "glorified babysitting" shows that you haven't even thought for a second about what it's really about and how important it is.
你把学校称为“光明正大的看孩子”，证明你对于学校究竟是干什么的，究竟有多重要，一秒钟都没思考过。
你把学校称为“光明正大的看孩子”，证明你对于学校究竟是干什么的，究竟有多重要，一秒钟都没思考过。
RobertEDiddly
There is a massive difference between learning the general idea of something and applying it on a test in a week versus getting a deep understanding of a subject you will be able to recall years down the line. A solid youtube video won't get you there for the second point. Learning to a decent level of understanding is a process that takes multiple iterations and time with the material.
搞懂某个东西的概要、并在一星期内应付这个东西的考试，与深入了解这个学科的知识、以便你几年后还能回忆起来，这两者之间天差地别。拍得再好的YouTube视频也不会让你做到第二点。学得好是一个需要重复迭代，在材料上花很多时间的过程。
There is a massive difference between learning the general idea of something and applying it on a test in a week versus getting a deep understanding of a subject you will be able to recall years down the line. A solid youtube video won't get you there for the second point. Learning to a decent level of understanding is a process that takes multiple iterations and time with the material.
搞懂某个东西的概要、并在一星期内应付这个东西的考试，与深入了解这个学科的知识、以便你几年后还能回忆起来，这两者之间天差地别。拍得再好的YouTube视频也不会让你做到第二点。学得好是一个需要重复迭代，在材料上花很多时间的过程。
Sbotkin
In my experience it's exactly the opposite. In school you will learn how to answer correctly on a test, that's it. But your own research (be that through Youtube or other sources) will most likely get you to that second point.
但是从我个人的经历而言却完全相反，学校里你能学到的只有怎么把题做对，没别的了。但是你自己的研究（无论是通过YouTube还是其他平台）都更有可能让你达到第二点。
In my experience it's exactly the opposite. In school you will learn how to answer correctly on a test, that's it. But your own research (be that through Youtube or other sources) will most likely get you to that second point.
但是从我个人的经历而言却完全相反，学校里你能学到的只有怎么把题做对，没别的了。但是你自己的研究（无论是通过YouTube还是其他平台）都更有可能让你达到第二点。
RobertEDiddly
In my experience, if you don't have that deep understanding in higher-level math classes (like discrete math or graduate classes), for example, you will get absolutely annihilated. Studying for the test straight up doesn't work.
就我的经历而言，假如你没有深入的理解的话，那么在高级的数学课程（比如离散数学或者其他研究生级别的数学课）上，你会被彻底落下。应付考试的学习不管用。
In my experience, if you don't have that deep understanding in higher-level math classes (like discrete math or graduate classes), for example, you will get absolutely annihilated. Studying for the test straight up doesn't work.
就我的经历而言，假如你没有深入的理解的话，那么在高级的数学课程（比如离散数学或者其他研究生级别的数学课）上，你会被彻底落下。应付考试的学习不管用。
Trevski
not exactly higher level, but in linear algebra I found youtube INFINITELY more helpful than instruction. The visualizations were key. so it may depend on the specific content anyways
我说的不是高级的数学，就线性代数这方面我发现YouTube上的视频比教科书好太多了。可视化是关键的因素。所以可能要具体学习内容具体分析。
not exactly higher level, but in linear algebra I found youtube INFINITELY more helpful than instruction. The visualizations were key. so it may depend on the specific content anyways
我说的不是高级的数学，就线性代数这方面我发现YouTube上的视频比教科书好太多了。可视化是关键的因素。所以可能要具体学习内容具体分析。
RobertEDiddly
No arguments there. Linear Algebra has a notoriously shitty curriculum.
我认同你的观点。线性代数的课程设置是众所周知的烂。
No arguments there. Linear Algebra has a notoriously shitty curriculum.
我认同你的观点。线性代数的课程设置是众所周知的烂。
poop_toilet
The fundamental problem is that the education system values recitation above creative problem-solving. From day one you're forced to conform to certain learning standards, recite them on assignments and exams, and then receive a quantitative grade that (arbitrarily) sorts good students from bad students. This system humiliates and demoralizes "bad students" and rewards "good students" with a sense of superiority. Nobody is really learning anything, we all just do the work until we can't take it anymore, then the school spits everyone out with a number that defines everyone's relative intelligence.
根本问题在于教育体制认为死记硬背比创造性思维更重要（译注：这话我熟啊？）。从上学的第一天开始，你就要向设置好的学习标准妥协，在作业和考试中不断背诵，然后拿到一个（独断地）把好学生和坏学生区分开的量化分数。这个体制羞辱“坏学生”，并用优越感奖励“好学生”。没有人真的在学到东西，我们只是在工作到不能继续工作，然后学校用一个评判我们相对智力的分数把我们吐出来。
The fundamental problem is that the education system values recitation above creative problem-solving. From day one you're forced to conform to certain learning standards, recite them on assignments and exams, and then receive a quantitative grade that (arbitrarily) sorts good students from bad students. This system humiliates and demoralizes "bad students" and rewards "good students" with a sense of superiority. Nobody is really learning anything, we all just do the work until we can't take it anymore, then the school spits everyone out with a number that defines everyone's relative intelligence.
根本问题在于教育体制认为死记硬背比创造性思维更重要（译注：这话我熟啊？）。从上学的第一天开始，你就要向设置好的学习标准妥协，在作业和考试中不断背诵，然后拿到一个（独断地）把好学生和坏学生区分开的量化分数。这个体制羞辱“坏学生”，并用优越感奖励“好学生”。没有人真的在学到东西，我们只是在工作到不能继续工作，然后学校用一个评判我们相对智力的分数把我们吐出来。
22134484
I agree completely.
我完全赞同。
I agree completely.
我完全赞同。
That is the reason a software engineer (b.eng) gets paid more than a bootcamp jockey. But the bootcampers will always insist they are just as good, which has never aligned with my experience of them
这就是本科学历的软件工程师比培训班出来的程序猿挣得多的原因。但培训班出来的总是觉得他们跟科班出身的一样好，按我对他们的经验来看从来都不是这样。
这就是本科学历的软件工程师比培训班出来的程序猿挣得多的原因。但培训班出来的总是觉得他们跟科班出身的一样好，按我对他们的经验来看从来都不是这样。
Periwinkle_Lost
Collateral knowledge is a powerful thing. I first got an associate degree and then a bachelor's in engineering. I can tell you that after I got an associate's and worked for a bit I thought I knew just as much as an engineer. I got lucky because my manager actually gave a damn and tried to teach me stuff. That's when I realized how limited my knowledge was. It's funny that a lot of complexity just went over my head because I simply DID NOT KNOW. And because I did not know it did not even register in my head.
附带的知识反而是非常重要的东西。我先拿了两年制的学历，然后拿的本科学士学历。在我拿了两年制学历工作了一段时间之后，我以为自己和本科毕业的工程师懂得一样多了。我很幸运，因为我的经理很在乎我，并且试着教我东西。我到这时才明白自己的知识有多狭隘。有很多复杂的问题我连想都没想过，因为我压根不 知 道。因为我不知道，所以我想都不会去想。
Collateral knowledge is a powerful thing. I first got an associate degree and then a bachelor's in engineering. I can tell you that after I got an associate's and worked for a bit I thought I knew just as much as an engineer. I got lucky because my manager actually gave a damn and tried to teach me stuff. That's when I realized how limited my knowledge was. It's funny that a lot of complexity just went over my head because I simply DID NOT KNOW. And because I did not know it did not even register in my head.
附带的知识反而是非常重要的东西。我先拿了两年制的学历，然后拿的本科学士学历。在我拿了两年制学历工作了一段时间之后，我以为自己和本科毕业的工程师懂得一样多了。我很幸运，因为我的经理很在乎我，并且试着教我东西。我到这时才明白自己的知识有多狭隘。有很多复杂的问题我连想都没想过，因为我压根不 知 道。因为我不知道，所以我想都不会去想。
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You dont know what you dont know!
你不知道你究竟不知道什么！
You dont know what you dont know!
你不知道你究竟不知道什么！
Humility goes a long way. Sadly ive found many engineers that have the holier than thou attitude, and I have found many bootcampers with a complex of “im better than an engineer”
但彼此的侮辱由来已久了。我认识很多科班出身的工程师都带着“比你聪明比你强”的态度，很多培训班工程师也带着“我比科班工程师厉害”的思维。
但彼此的侮辱由来已久了。我认识很多科班出身的工程师都带着“比你聪明比你强”的态度，很多培训班工程师也带着“我比科班工程师厉害”的思维。
Both of those are shit employees.
这两种都是差劲的员工。
这两种都是差劲的员工。
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