欧洲的同性婚姻状况
正文翻译
蓝色：同性婚姻合法
浅蓝色：可以结成民事同居/伴侣关系，婚姻不合法
黄色：任何形式的同性婚姻都不合法
Same-sex marriage in Europe
欧洲的同性婚姻状况
欧洲的同性婚姻状况
蓝色：同性婚姻合法
浅蓝色：可以结成民事同居/伴侣关系，婚姻不合法
黄色：任何形式的同性婚姻都不合法
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totriuga
The evidence is clear. The Atlantic Ocean makes you gay
证据很充分了：大西洋让你变成了同性恋
The evidence is clear. The Atlantic Ocean makes you gay
证据很充分了：大西洋让你变成了同性恋
JJ_BB_SS
Can confirm, was hetero until i bathed on the atlantic and suddendly started wanking to leather men
可以确认，本来是异性恋的，去大西洋洗了个澡，整个人突然就变得哲学了起来
Can confirm, was hetero until i bathed on the atlantic and suddendly started wanking to leather men
可以确认，本来是异性恋的，去大西洋洗了个澡，整个人突然就变得哲学了起来
mister_atoms
Hardly surprising. You’ve seen what it does to a nice heterosexual couple like Jack and Rose.
很难不同意。看看大西洋对杰克和萝丝这一对这么好的异性恋情侣都干了些什么
Hardly surprising. You’ve seen what it does to a nice heterosexual couple like Jack and Rose.
很难不同意。看看大西洋对杰克和萝丝这一对这么好的异性恋情侣都干了些什么
425Hamburger
What about Austria? Just residual german gayness?
奥地利呢？残余的德国同性恋？
What about Austria? Just residual german gayness?
奥地利呢？残余的德国同性恋？
muramasa_1
we simply are nostalgic. Before ww1 we had access to the ocean and a navy. some folks miss that which sounds pretty gay to me.
我们只是想怀旧。毕竟在第一次世界大战之前，我们有海洋和海军，有些人很怀念这一点，这在我听来是很gay的。
we simply are nostalgic. Before ww1 we had access to the ocean and a navy. some folks miss that which sounds pretty gay to me.
我们只是想怀旧。毕竟在第一次世界大战之前，我们有海洋和海军，有些人很怀念这一点，这在我听来是很gay的。
atl_housethrowaway
Well, to be fair, being located next to the Atlantic ocean and all its lucrative trade routes has probably helped spur the kind of economic development over centuries that incentivizes legalizing gay marriage nowadays.
好吧，说正经的，位于大西洋旁边的位置和所有有利可图的贸易路线可能帮助刺激了几个世纪以来的经济发展，因而激励了现在的同性恋婚姻合法化。
Well, to be fair, being located next to the Atlantic ocean and all its lucrative trade routes has probably helped spur the kind of economic development over centuries that incentivizes legalizing gay marriage nowadays.
好吧，说正经的，位于大西洋旁边的位置和所有有利可图的贸易路线可能帮助刺激了几个世纪以来的经济发展，因而激励了现在的同性恋婚姻合法化。
totriuga
Definitely an interesting perspective
这绝对是一个有趣的观点
Definitely an interesting perspective
这绝对是一个有趣的观点
polygroot
Just anything in the western is always gay.
西方的任何东西都很gay。
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Just anything in the western is always gay.
西方的任何东西都很gay。
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XxRandomHeroxX9
I don''t know about that. San Francisco is arguably gayer than New York. Maybe not as gay as Provincetown though. We''ll get you eventually, Eastern Europe.
我觉得不好说。旧金山可以说是比纽约更同性恋。也许没有普罗文斯敦那么同性恋。我们最终会征服你的，东欧。
I don''t know about that. San Francisco is arguably gayer than New York. Maybe not as gay as Provincetown though. We''ll get you eventually, Eastern Europe.
我觉得不好说。旧金山可以说是比纽约更同性恋。也许没有普罗文斯敦那么同性恋。我们最终会征服你的，东欧。
vineyardgecko
In the US, Massachusetts was the first state to legalize gay marriage which also sits on the Atlantic coast
在美国，马萨诸塞州是第一个将同性婚姻合法化的州，也位于大西洋沿岸
In the US, Massachusetts was the first state to legalize gay marriage which also sits on the Atlantic coast
在美国，马萨诸塞州是第一个将同性婚姻合法化的州，也位于大西洋沿岸
Predatopatate
Well, Spain and France are also facing the Mediterranean Sea
嗯，西班牙和法国也面对着地中海
Well, Spain and France are also facing the Mediterranean Sea
嗯，西班牙和法国也面对着地中海
catzhoek
Germany
This has absolutely no significance but thanks for mentioning
这绝对没有意义，但要感谢你提及
Germany
This has absolutely no significance but thanks for mentioning
这绝对没有意义，但要感谢你提及
Trubisky4MVP
I thought the Greeks invented gayness?
我以为是希腊人是同性恋的起源地？
I thought the Greeks invented gayness?
我以为是希腊人是同性恋的起源地？
PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN
NATO was a gay pedophile conspiracy #teachthecontroversy
北约是一个同性恋恋童癖大合集#教学争议
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NATO was a gay pedophile conspiracy #teachthecontroversy
北约是一个同性恋恋童癖大合集#教学争议
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eelizza
There must be something in the water (quite literally)
大西洋的水中一定有某种东西（字面上）
There must be something in the water (quite literally)
大西洋的水中一定有某种东西（字面上）
LordNoodles
vienna
Except for Austria and Luxembourg, which both got second hand gay .
除了奥地利和卢森堡，这两个二手同性恋。
vienna
Except for Austria and Luxembourg, which both got second hand gay .
除了奥地利和卢森堡，这两个二手同性恋。
filtertippy
And Mediteranean makes you half-gay, the choice is yours.
这么看地中海让你变成半个同性恋，选择权在你。
And Mediteranean makes you half-gay, the choice is yours.
这么看地中海让你变成半个同性恋，选择权在你。
nagurski03
More like NATO makes you gay, communism makes you homophobic
更像是北约让你成为同性恋，XX主义让你害怕同性恋
More like NATO makes you gay, communism makes you homophobic
更像是北约让你成为同性恋，XX主义让你害怕同性恋
unoriginalsin
Looks more like artificial influence to me. Perhaps there was some barrier constructed to keep free thinking out of Easter Europe.
在我看来更像是人为的影响。也许是有一些障碍，把自由思想挡在东欧之外。
Looks more like artificial influence to me. Perhaps there was some barrier constructed to keep free thinking out of Easter Europe.
在我看来更像是人为的影响。也许是有一些障碍，把自由思想挡在东欧之外。
shamrockpub
Can confirm from the USA.
可以确定是从美国传来的
Can confirm from the USA.
可以确定是从美国传来的
PropOnTop
You make the assumption that being gay makes you want gay marriage, when in fact it could all a be a ploy by the people who were disappointed by marriage and secretly hate gays.
你假设成为同性恋的人会想让你接受同性婚姻，而事实上，这可能是那些对婚姻感到失望并秘密憎恨同性恋的人的阴谋。
You make the assumption that being gay makes you want gay marriage, when in fact it could all a be a ploy by the people who were disappointed by marriage and secretly hate gays.
你假设成为同性恋的人会想让你接受同性婚姻，而事实上，这可能是那些对婚姻感到失望并秘密憎恨同性恋的人的阴谋。
Plyad1
France
Nah, the countries with the hottest guys allow same sex marriage,
Those with the hottest girls dont.
Coincidence? I think not ! Guys are trying to get the hottest thing in their country !!!
不，有着最帅男人的国家都允许同性婚姻。
那些有着最火辣女孩的国家则不允许。
这是巧合吗？我想不是! 男人们都想在自己的国家得到最热辣的东西!!!
France
Nah, the countries with the hottest guys allow same sex marriage,
Those with the hottest girls dont.
Coincidence? I think not ! Guys are trying to get the hottest thing in their country !!!
不，有着最帅男人的国家都允许同性婚姻。
那些有着最火辣女孩的国家则不允许。
这是巧合吗？我想不是! 男人们都想在自己的国家得到最热辣的东西!!!
Itsmethe_T
European unx
Serbia, the land in which the Prime Minister is a lesbian, doesn''t even allow civil partnerships
Edit: She''s in a long term relationship. Legends say they got married in secret
塞尔维亚，一个总理是女同性恋者的国家，甚至不允许民事伴侣关系。
编辑：她是长期关系。传说她们是秘密结婚的
European unx
Serbia, the land in which the Prime Minister is a lesbian, doesn''t even allow civil partnerships
Edit: She''s in a long term relationship. Legends say they got married in secret
塞尔维亚，一个总理是女同性恋者的国家，甚至不允许民事伴侣关系。
编辑：她是长期关系。传说她们是秘密结婚的
alpceylan
Turkey
Why?
为什么呢？
Turkey
Why?
为什么呢？
Itsmethe_T
European unx
The ruling party is quite conservative
执政党相当保守
European unx
The ruling party is quite conservative
执政党相当保守
alpceylan
Turkey
Then how did they sext a lesbian Prime Minister?
那么他们是如何选择一个女同性恋来做总理的呢？
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Turkey
Then how did they sext a lesbian Prime Minister?
那么他们是如何选择一个女同性恋来做总理的呢？
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Itsmethe_T
European unx
She was appointed by the President who''s buddy-buddy with Orbán. It was purely a PR move so that the country would seem more progressive.
她是由总统任命的，他是欧尔班的伙伴。这纯粹是一种公关行动，这样国家就会显得更加进步。
European unx
She was appointed by the President who''s buddy-buddy with Orbán. It was purely a PR move so that the country would seem more progressive.
她是由总统任命的，他是欧尔班的伙伴。这纯粹是一种公关行动，这样国家就会显得更加进步。
UGenix
Now I''m just more confused. How does appointing a lesbian PM help your relationship with an anti-LGBT right-wind conservative like Orbán?
现在我就更糊涂了。任命一个女同性恋总理，对于和欧尔班这种反同性恋的右翼保守派的关系有什么帮助？
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Now I''m just more confused. How does appointing a lesbian PM help your relationship with an anti-LGBT right-wind conservative like Orbán?
现在我就更糊涂了。任命一个女同性恋总理，对于和欧尔班这种反同性恋的右翼保守派的关系有什么帮助？
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TheConundrum98
Croatia
no, those 2 are unrelated, Vučić is buddy-buddy with Orban, but to others he wanted to seem more progressive by appointing and promoting a lesbian pm.
You don''t need to mention his friendship with Orban to know Vučić is bad though, be it his past or current political opinions
不，这两者是不相关的，武契奇和欧尔班是哥们儿，但在别人看来，他想通过任命和提拔一位女同性恋总理来显得更进步。
不过就算你不提他和欧尔班的交情，都知道武契奇不是个好家伙，不管是他过去的政见还是现在的政见。
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Croatia
no, those 2 are unrelated, Vučić is buddy-buddy with Orban, but to others he wanted to seem more progressive by appointing and promoting a lesbian pm.
You don''t need to mention his friendship with Orban to know Vučić is bad though, be it his past or current political opinions
不，这两者是不相关的，武契奇和欧尔班是哥们儿，但在别人看来，他想通过任命和提拔一位女同性恋总理来显得更进步。
不过就算你不提他和欧尔班的交情，都知道武契奇不是个好家伙，不管是他过去的政见还是现在的政见。
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UGenix
Thanks for clarifying!
谢谢你的解惑！
Thanks for clarifying!
谢谢你的解惑！
Phtpnk
Croatia
To add up what kind of a man Vučić is, his party is a splinter cell that split off from the SRS, or the Serbian Radicals, an ultra-nationalist, extreme right-wing irredentists who believed in a Greater Serbia based on very thinly veiled beliefs, and whose founder is ab infamous war criminal, Voljoslav Šešelj. He''s part of the same old guard as all the infamous Serbian war criminals that kickstarted the Yugoslav Wars.
He''s a right-wing asswipe who created smoke & pony shows purely to appease the Serbian left and the EU into believing he is genuinely progressive when he is clearly not, and LGBT people in Serbia continue to suffer prejudice in daily life.
And many Serbians are aware of this, a common nickname for the PM (at least from I''ve heard) is Fikus, which is literally translated to a plant, and it''s a pejorative word for an useful idiot.
再说说武契奇是个什么样的人，他的党派是从塞尔维亚激进党分裂出来的一个小团体，这是一个极端民族主义的极右翼激进分子，他们相信一个基于非常隐蔽的大塞尔维亚信仰，其创始人是臭名昭著的战犯沃利斯拉夫-舍舍利。他和所有臭名昭著的塞尔维亚战犯一样，都是南斯拉夫战争的始作俑者。
他是个右翼混蛋，这么做纯粹是为了安抚塞尔维亚左翼和欧盟，让他们相信他是真正的进步者，但他显然不是，塞尔维亚的LGBT人群在日常生活中继续遭受偏见。
许多塞尔维亚人都知道这一点，总理的一个常见的绰号（至少我听说过）是Fikus，字面意思是翻译成植物，这是一个贬义词，意思是一个有用的白痴。
Croatia
To add up what kind of a man Vučić is, his party is a splinter cell that split off from the SRS, or the Serbian Radicals, an ultra-nationalist, extreme right-wing irredentists who believed in a Greater Serbia based on very thinly veiled beliefs, and whose founder is ab infamous war criminal, Voljoslav Šešelj. He''s part of the same old guard as all the infamous Serbian war criminals that kickstarted the Yugoslav Wars.
He''s a right-wing asswipe who created smoke & pony shows purely to appease the Serbian left and the EU into believing he is genuinely progressive when he is clearly not, and LGBT people in Serbia continue to suffer prejudice in daily life.
And many Serbians are aware of this, a common nickname for the PM (at least from I''ve heard) is Fikus, which is literally translated to a plant, and it''s a pejorative word for an useful idiot.
再说说武契奇是个什么样的人，他的党派是从塞尔维亚激进党分裂出来的一个小团体，这是一个极端民族主义的极右翼激进分子，他们相信一个基于非常隐蔽的大塞尔维亚信仰，其创始人是臭名昭著的战犯沃利斯拉夫-舍舍利。他和所有臭名昭著的塞尔维亚战犯一样，都是南斯拉夫战争的始作俑者。
他是个右翼混蛋，这么做纯粹是为了安抚塞尔维亚左翼和欧盟，让他们相信他是真正的进步者，但他显然不是，塞尔维亚的LGBT人群在日常生活中继续遭受偏见。
许多塞尔维亚人都知道这一点，总理的一个常见的绰号（至少我听说过）是Fikus，字面意思是翻译成植物，这是一个贬义词，意思是一个有用的白痴。
giannibal
it''s along the lines of "I''m not racist, I have a black friend"
这类似于“我不是种族主义者，我有个黑人朋友”
it''s along the lines of "I''m not racist, I have a black friend"
这类似于“我不是种族主义者，我有个黑人朋友”
mikenasty
*hired a black friend
（雇一个黑人朋友）
*hired a black friend
（雇一个黑人朋友）
Gaunt-03
Ireland
It’s more to get Europe off your case on homophobia than to actually be progressive
更多的是让欧洲摆脱你对同性恋恐惧症的看法，而不是真正的进步
Ireland
It’s more to get Europe off your case on homophobia than to actually be progressive
更多的是让欧洲摆脱你对同性恋恐惧症的看法，而不是真正的进步
GarlicBreadLasagne
England
Is her being PM having a positive effect on the image of LGBTQ people in Serbia?
那么她成为总理对塞尔维亚LGBTQ人的形象有积极的影响吗？
England
Is her being PM having a positive effect on the image of LGBTQ people in Serbia?
那么她成为总理对塞尔维亚LGBTQ人的形象有积极的影响吗？
ImgurianIRL
Actually she said in a recent interview with Noizz that her party and herself are preparing to approve, by the end of this year, the first Serbian law that will take care of the samesex marriages. However it is a good PR but with some benefits for the LGBTQ comunity too
事实上，她在最近接受Noizz采访时说，她的政党和她本人正准备在今年年底前批准塞尔维亚第一部关于同性婚姻的法律。然而，这是一个很好的公关，但对LGBTQ群体也有一些好处。
Actually she said in a recent interview with Noizz that her party and herself are preparing to approve, by the end of this year, the first Serbian law that will take care of the samesex marriages. However it is a good PR but with some benefits for the LGBTQ comunity too
事实上，她在最近接受Noizz采访时说，她的政党和她本人正准备在今年年底前批准塞尔维亚第一部关于同性婚姻的法律。然而，这是一个很好的公关，但对LGBTQ群体也有一些好处。
blitzfreak_69
Montenegro
Montenegro actually did this, I was surprised given that we’re even more conservative over here, but those EU monies
黑山已经这么做了，我很惊讶，因为我们这里更保守，但为了欧盟的钱......
Montenegro
Montenegro actually did this, I was surprised given that we’re even more conservative over here, but those EU monies
黑山已经这么做了，我很惊讶，因为我们这里更保守，但为了欧盟的钱......
formgry
Well I suppose its entirely possible to be conservative generally, but not on specifically gay marriage.
I mean, we can be pretty conservative in the Netherlands, we''ve just tossed gay marriage out of the conservative package.
好吧，我认为普遍的保守是很正常的， 不一定是特别针对同性恋婚姻。
我的意思是，我们在尼德兰可能也相当保守，只是我们刚刚把同性恋婚姻从“保守”的包袱中剔除。
Well I suppose its entirely possible to be conservative generally, but not on specifically gay marriage.
I mean, we can be pretty conservative in the Netherlands, we''ve just tossed gay marriage out of the conservative package.
好吧，我认为普遍的保守是很正常的， 不一定是特别针对同性恋婚姻。
我的意思是，我们在尼德兰可能也相当保守，只是我们刚刚把同性恋婚姻从“保守”的包袱中剔除。
Wissam24
United Kingdom
Accidental or incidental progression is still progression. That''s encouraging.
偶然或不经意的进展仍然是进展。令人鼓舞。
United Kingdom
Accidental or incidental progression is still progression. That''s encouraging.
偶然或不经意的进展仍然是进展。令人鼓舞。
JasperLamarCrabbb
Yeah for me this is along the lines of when people complain about philanthropists only doing it for the image. Ok...but, philanthropy was still done and the world needs plenty of it.
是啊，对我来说，这就像人们抱怨慈善家只为形象而做慈善一样。好吧......但是，他们确实还是做了一些慈善，这个世界需要大量的慈善事业。
Yeah for me this is along the lines of when people complain about philanthropists only doing it for the image. Ok...but, philanthropy was still done and the world needs plenty of it.
是啊，对我来说，这就像人们抱怨慈善家只为形象而做慈善一样。好吧......但是，他们确实还是做了一些慈善，这个世界需要大量的慈善事业。
Laikustalus
Bosnia and Herzegovina
This will not happen.Vucic and his supporters are extremely homophobic.
这是不会发生的。武契奇和他的支持者们都非常恐同性恋。
Bosnia and Herzegovina
This will not happen.Vucic and his supporters are extremely homophobic.
这是不会发生的。武契奇和他的支持者们都非常恐同性恋。
evropljanin
Serbia
Ehhh. It will happen.
呃。它会发生的。
Serbia
Ehhh. It will happen.
呃。它会发生的。
ImgurianIRL
They are nationalistic but also pro-european and they know what to do in order to keep their path to European unx steady.
他们是民族主义的，但也是亲欧洲的，他们知道该怎么做，以保持他们通往欧盟的道路稳定。
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They are nationalistic but also pro-european and they know what to do in order to keep their path to European unx steady.
他们是民族主义的，但也是亲欧洲的，他们知道该怎么做，以保持他们通往欧盟的道路稳定。
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nalapipper
Nop, she doesn''t do anything
不，她什么都没做
Nop, she doesn''t do anything
不，她什么都没做
Itsmethe_T
European unx
I don''t think so. My LGBTQ friends are absolutely disgusted by her lack of interest in LGBTQ affairs.
我不这么认为。我的LGBTQ朋友们对于她对LGBTQ事务缺乏兴趣感到非常厌恶。
European unx
I don''t think so. My LGBTQ friends are absolutely disgusted by her lack of interest in LGBTQ affairs.
我不这么认为。我的LGBTQ朋友们对于她对LGBTQ事务缺乏兴趣感到非常厌恶。
elbenji
Isn''t she making a same sex marriage law?
她不是在制定同性婚姻法吗？
Isn''t she making a same sex marriage law?
她不是在制定同性婚姻法吗？
XenonBG
Europe
Not really marriage, that''d be unconstitutional. But registered partnership, yes.
这并不是真的结婚，那将是违宪的。但是注册伴侣关系的话，是的。
Europe
Not really marriage, that''d be unconstitutional. But registered partnership, yes.
这并不是真的结婚，那将是违宪的。但是注册伴侣关系的话，是的。
southieyuppiescum
I don’t know the situation well, but a lesbian being in a position of power alone is normalizing it. Whether she feels like it’s prudent to advocate harder for it may be a delicate situation that I’m not going to necessarily automatically fault her for not doing.
我不太了解情况，但单单让一个女同性恋处于权力的地位，就是正常化了。至于她是否觉得应该更加努力地倡导，这可能是一个微妙的情况，我不一定会自然而然地责备她无所作为。
I don’t know the situation well, but a lesbian being in a position of power alone is normalizing it. Whether she feels like it’s prudent to advocate harder for it may be a delicate situation that I’m not going to necessarily automatically fault her for not doing.
我不太了解情况，但单单让一个女同性恋处于权力的地位，就是正常化了。至于她是否觉得应该更加努力地倡导，这可能是一个微妙的情况，我不一定会自然而然地责备她无所作为。
agrammatic
Cyprus
I don’t know the situation well, but a lesbian being in a position of power alone is normalizing it.
For what my opinion''s worth, as a gay dude, I prefer a progressive straight person as a president, rather than a conservative gay one.
A conservative gay PM isn''t only normalising gay people among conservatives, it''s also normalising conservatives among gay people. We don''t want that.
就我的意见而言，作为一个同性恋者，我更喜欢一个进步的直男当总统，而不是一个保守的同性恋者。
一个保守的同性恋总理不仅是让同性恋在保守派中正常化，也是让保守派在同性恋中正常化。我们不希望这样。
Cyprus
I don’t know the situation well, but a lesbian being in a position of power alone is normalizing it.
For what my opinion''s worth, as a gay dude, I prefer a progressive straight person as a president, rather than a conservative gay one.
A conservative gay PM isn''t only normalising gay people among conservatives, it''s also normalising conservatives among gay people. We don''t want that.
就我的意见而言，作为一个同性恋者，我更喜欢一个进步的直男当总统，而不是一个保守的同性恋者。
一个保守的同性恋总理不仅是让同性恋在保守派中正常化，也是让保守派在同性恋中正常化。我们不希望这样。
IamFaboor
conservatives among gay people. We don''t want that.
We 100% want conservative LGBTQ+ people. I am sick and tired of having c(C)onservatives bashing LGBTQ+ rights or other campaigns being branded as some progressive/leftist agenda.
Getting people the rights and freedoms they are denied due to their sexual orientation or gender identity beats almost any other progressive views I hold.
If that means gay conservatives, then be it. At least that way I can argue with them without the "gay leftist propaganda" bullshit.
我们100%想要保守的LGBTQ+的人上台。我已经厌倦了保守派抨击LGBTQ+的权利或其他运动被标榜为“进步/左派议程”。
让人们获得他们因性取向或性别认同而被剥夺的权利和自由，几乎胜过我持有的任何其他进步观点。
如果这意味着同性恋保守化，那么就这样吧。至少这样我们有了直接和他们争论的余地，而不需要说一些"同性恋左派宣传"的废话。
conservatives among gay people. We don''t want that.
We 100% want conservative LGBTQ+ people. I am sick and tired of having c(C)onservatives bashing LGBTQ+ rights or other campaigns being branded as some progressive/leftist agenda.
Getting people the rights and freedoms they are denied due to their sexual orientation or gender identity beats almost any other progressive views I hold.
If that means gay conservatives, then be it. At least that way I can argue with them without the "gay leftist propaganda" bullshit.
我们100%想要保守的LGBTQ+的人上台。我已经厌倦了保守派抨击LGBTQ+的权利或其他运动被标榜为“进步/左派议程”。
让人们获得他们因性取向或性别认同而被剥夺的权利和自由，几乎胜过我持有的任何其他进步观点。
如果这意味着同性恋保守化，那么就这样吧。至少这样我们有了直接和他们争论的余地，而不需要说一些"同性恋左派宣传"的废话。
southieyuppiescum
Never thought of it like that, interesting perspective.
从没这么想过，有趣的视角。
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Never thought of it like that, interesting perspective.
从没这么想过，有趣的视角。
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formgry
What? Wouldn''t that mean gay people can only be of a particular ideological leaning? That''s cannot be right.
They''re regular people just like you and I. Their sexual preferences should have no impact on what they believe, the morals they hold.
If you think that, its not much different from the anti gay folks who oppose them because they believe them being gay means they are deviants, perverts, and sex offenders(I.e. they hold wrong morals)
But you know that that''s ridiculous. And in same way you know its ridiculous that gay people ''should'' be progressive.
什么？那岂不是说同性恋者只能持有特定的意识形态倾向？这是不对的。
他们是普通人，就像你和我一样，他们的性偏好不应该影响他们的信仰和道德观。
如果你这么想，那就和那些反对同性恋的人没什么两样，他们反对同性恋是因为他们认为同性恋意味着他们是异类、变态和性犯罪者（即他们持有错误的道德观）。
但你知道那是荒谬的。同样的，你也知道“同性恋者都应该是进步的”是荒谬的。
What? Wouldn''t that mean gay people can only be of a particular ideological leaning? That''s cannot be right.
They''re regular people just like you and I. Their sexual preferences should have no impact on what they believe, the morals they hold.
If you think that, its not much different from the anti gay folks who oppose them because they believe them being gay means they are deviants, perverts, and sex offenders(I.e. they hold wrong morals)
But you know that that''s ridiculous. And in same way you know its ridiculous that gay people ''should'' be progressive.
什么？那岂不是说同性恋者只能持有特定的意识形态倾向？这是不对的。
他们是普通人，就像你和我一样，他们的性偏好不应该影响他们的信仰和道德观。
如果你这么想，那就和那些反对同性恋的人没什么两样，他们反对同性恋是因为他们认为同性恋意味着他们是异类、变态和性犯罪者（即他们持有错误的道德观）。
但你知道那是荒谬的。同样的，你也知道“同性恋者都应该是进步的”是荒谬的。
rossloderso
Germany
Funfact: one of the leaders of our right wing party is a lesbian, has a wife from Sri Lanka and lives in Switzerland
有趣的事实：我们右翼政党的领导人之一是女同性恋，有一位来自斯里兰卡的妻子，住在瑞士
Germany
Funfact: one of the leaders of our right wing party is a lesbian, has a wife from Sri Lanka and lives in Switzerland
有趣的事实：我们右翼政党的领导人之一是女同性恋，有一位来自斯里兰卡的妻子，住在瑞士
Mynameisaw
United Kingdom
Sounds a bit like Nigel Farage being the Brexit architect while having a German wife, German kids and applying to get his own German passport.
听起来有点像奈杰尔-法拉奇，他是英国脱欧的设计师，却同时有德国妻子、德国孩子，并在申请获得自己的德国护照。
United Kingdom
Sounds a bit like Nigel Farage being the Brexit architect while having a German wife, German kids and applying to get his own German passport.
听起来有点像奈杰尔-法拉奇，他是英国脱欧的设计师，却同时有德国妻子、德国孩子，并在申请获得自己的德国护照。
nibbler666
Berlin
Nah, that''s not correct. His kids have applied for German citizenship, but he hasn''t. He wouldn''t be eligible. You don''t get a German passport just by being married to a German, you have to have lived in Germany for the past 3 years with your German partner to apply for citizenship. (Same rule applies in the UK, btw.)
不，这是不正确的。他的孩子已经申请了德国国籍，但他没有。他没有资格。你不是和德国人结婚就能拿到德国护照的，你必须和你的德国伴侣在过去的3年里住在德国才能申请公民身份。(同样的规则适用于英国，顺便说一下。)
Berlin
Nah, that''s not correct. His kids have applied for German citizenship, but he hasn''t. He wouldn''t be eligible. You don''t get a German passport just by being married to a German, you have to have lived in Germany for the past 3 years with your German partner to apply for citizenship. (Same rule applies in the UK, btw.)
不，这是不正确的。他的孩子已经申请了德国国籍，但他没有。他没有资格。你不是和德国人结婚就能拿到德国护照的，你必须和你的德国伴侣在过去的3年里住在德国才能申请公民身份。(同样的规则适用于英国，顺便说一下。)
_742617000027
I know this is kinda unrelated but I can''t even get a British passport despite my dad being British (my parents were never married). The citizenship rulings seem super arbitrary sometimes.
我知道这有点与主题无关，但我甚至无法获得英国护照，尽管我的父亲是英国人（我的父母从未结婚）。公民身份的裁决有时显得超级武断。
I know this is kinda unrelated but I can''t even get a British passport despite my dad being British (my parents were never married). The citizenship rulings seem super arbitrary sometimes.
我知道这有点与主题无关，但我甚至无法获得英国护照，尽管我的父亲是英国人（我的父母从未结婚）。公民身份的裁决有时显得超级武断。
ArnoNyhm44
6 hours ago
she also illicitely employed a syrian asylum seeker as a cleaner.
她还无理地雇用了一名叙利亚寻求庇护者作为清洁工。
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6 hours ago
she also illicitely employed a syrian asylum seeker as a cleaner.
她还无理地雇用了一名叙利亚寻求庇护者作为清洁工。
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75percentsociopath
I mean so did I but nobody cares.
It wouldn''t be news if she hired a Moldovan or someone from Kosovo working on a tourist visa.
那又怎么样，没人在乎。
如果她雇的是一个用旅游签证工作的摩尔多瓦人或者一个科索沃人那就不是什么新闻了。
I mean so did I but nobody cares.
It wouldn''t be news if she hired a Moldovan or someone from Kosovo working on a tourist visa.
那又怎么样，没人在乎。
如果她雇的是一个用旅游签证工作的摩尔多瓦人或者一个科索沃人那就不是什么新闻了。
ArnoNyhm44
are you campaigning to deny medical care to asylum seekers?
yes it would, because her whole platform is basically "non-germans" = bad, keep them out.
你是想用“拒绝向寻求庇护者提供医疗服务”来竞选吗？
是的，它会成为新闻，因为她的整个纲领基本上是"非德国人" =坏，让他们出去。
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are you campaigning to deny medical care to asylum seekers?
yes it would, because her whole platform is basically "non-germans" = bad, keep them out.
你是想用“拒绝向寻求庇护者提供医疗服务”来竞选吗？
是的，它会成为新闻，因为她的整个纲领基本上是"非德国人" =坏，让他们出去。
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Hellstrike
Hesse (Germany)
In Germany a prominent lesbian right-wing politician is also against gay marriage. It''s almost as if some people actually believe that "marriage is to have kids" argument.
在德国，一位著名的女同性恋右翼政客也反对同性恋婚姻。就好像有些人真的相信 "结婚是为了生孩子 "的说法一样。
Hesse (Germany)
In Germany a prominent lesbian right-wing politician is also against gay marriage. It''s almost as if some people actually believe that "marriage is to have kids" argument.
在德国，一位著名的女同性恋右翼政客也反对同性恋婚姻。就好像有些人真的相信 "结婚是为了生孩子 "的说法一样。
antiniche
Or you can perfectly believe all marriages are unnecessary bullshit.
或者你完全可以相信所有的婚姻都是不必要的废话。
Or you can perfectly believe all marriages are unnecessary bullshit.
或者你完全可以相信所有的婚姻都是不必要的废话。
anamorphicmistake
I''m 99% that this is not the case, but there Is actually a subset of lgbqt people that oppose gay marriage because they think that marriage shouldn''t exist at all, either for hetero or homosexuals.
EDIT: guys, I know that I didn''t specify the size of that subset, but yes that''s a very small minority. Yet they exist.
我这99%不是事实，但实际上有一部分lgbqt的人反对同性婚姻，因为他们认为婚姻根本不应该存在，无论是异性恋还是同性恋。
EDIT: 伙计们，我知道我没有指出该子集的大小，但是是的，那是一个非常小的少数。但他们确实存在。
I''m 99% that this is not the case, but there Is actually a subset of lgbqt people that oppose gay marriage because they think that marriage shouldn''t exist at all, either for hetero or homosexuals.
EDIT: guys, I know that I didn''t specify the size of that subset, but yes that''s a very small minority. Yet they exist.
我这99%不是事实，但实际上有一部分lgbqt的人反对同性婚姻，因为他们认为婚姻根本不应该存在，无论是异性恋还是同性恋。
EDIT: 伙计们，我知道我没有指出该子集的大小，但是是的，那是一个非常小的少数。但他们确实存在。
TRNogger
Europe
Mariage is for having kids. Marriage is a patriarchical institutuion to deny sexual freedom to women so men can be sure that a woman''s offspring is actually his. In today''s age of female liberation, patchwork families, birth control and reliable paternity tests the concept is obsolete except for legal rights between the partners. The really progressive solution would be to abandon marriage and establish unrestricted civil unxs instead that grant relevant legal rights to all members of a civil unx, which would not only benefit LGBT couples but would also provide a legal frxwork for nonmonogamous groups involving more than two people in a relationship.
It is quite ironic that LGBTQ people fight to have the same restrictions put on them as heteronormative couples.
婚姻就是为了生孩子。婚姻是一种父权制度，目的是剥夺妇女的性自由，以便男子可以确定妇女的后代实际上是他的。在今天这个女性解放的时代，拼凑的家庭，节育和可靠的亲子鉴定，使得这个概念已经过时了，除了伴侣之间的法律权利应该保留。真正进步的解决方案是放弃婚姻，转而建立不受限制的民事结合，赋予民事结合的所有成员以相关的法律权利，这不仅有利于LGBT夫妇，也将为关系中涉及两人以上的非一夫一妻制群体提供一个法律框架。
颇具讽刺意味的是，LGBTQ人群竟然在争取想要与异性恋夫妇一样受到限制。
Europe
Mariage is for having kids. Marriage is a patriarchical institutuion to deny sexual freedom to women so men can be sure that a woman''s offspring is actually his. In today''s age of female liberation, patchwork families, birth control and reliable paternity tests the concept is obsolete except for legal rights between the partners. The really progressive solution would be to abandon marriage and establish unrestricted civil unxs instead that grant relevant legal rights to all members of a civil unx, which would not only benefit LGBT couples but would also provide a legal frxwork for nonmonogamous groups involving more than two people in a relationship.
It is quite ironic that LGBTQ people fight to have the same restrictions put on them as heteronormative couples.
婚姻就是为了生孩子。婚姻是一种父权制度，目的是剥夺妇女的性自由，以便男子可以确定妇女的后代实际上是他的。在今天这个女性解放的时代，拼凑的家庭，节育和可靠的亲子鉴定，使得这个概念已经过时了，除了伴侣之间的法律权利应该保留。真正进步的解决方案是放弃婚姻，转而建立不受限制的民事结合，赋予民事结合的所有成员以相关的法律权利，这不仅有利于LGBT夫妇，也将为关系中涉及两人以上的非一夫一妻制群体提供一个法律框架。
颇具讽刺意味的是，LGBTQ人群竟然在争取想要与异性恋夫妇一样受到限制。
Eggplantosaur
I believe the Netherlands has this, it loosely translates to "registered partnership", or "geregistreerd partnerschap" in Dutch. Pretty cool stuff, I''ll probably get one myself when I move into a place with my partner. It''s popular amongst young unmarried couples around the country
我相信荷兰有这个，它大致翻译为"注册伙伴关系"，或荷兰语中的 "geregistreerd partnerschap"。这是一个很酷的东西，我可能会在搬到一个地方的时候和我的伴侣试试这个。这在全国各地的年轻未婚夫妇中很流行。
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I believe the Netherlands has this, it loosely translates to "registered partnership", or "geregistreerd partnerschap" in Dutch. Pretty cool stuff, I''ll probably get one myself when I move into a place with my partner. It''s popular amongst young unmarried couples around the country
我相信荷兰有这个，它大致翻译为"注册伙伴关系"，或荷兰语中的 "geregistreerd partnerschap"。这是一个很酷的东西，我可能会在搬到一个地方的时候和我的伴侣试试这个。这在全国各地的年轻未婚夫妇中很流行。
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TRNogger
Europe
These have existed in most Western European countries for the last 15 to 20 years, but these have been mostly replaced by "gay marriage" in the meantime because people are so indoctrinated about the special status of marriage that claiming the "married" title was more important than finding a solution that works for everybody. So the next "out group" has to go fight the same battle again. And again. And again.
And most annoyingly, countries like the US are pretending they are more progressive than Europe because they had gay marriage earlier, completely ignorant that gay ccouples in Europe could already have civil unxs while being gay still got you arrested in the US...
这个在过去的15到20年里，普遍存在于大多数西欧国家之中，但在此期间，这些需求大多被"同性恋婚姻"所取代，因为人们被灌输了婚姻的特殊地位，以至于争取一个“已婚”的头衔比找到一个适合每个人的解决方案更重要。所以下一个"边缘群体"又得去打同样的仗。一次又一次。
最可气的是，像美国这样的国家还假装自己比欧洲更进步，因为他们更早地有了同性恋婚姻，完全不知道在欧洲同性恋夫妇已经可以有民事结合，而在美国，同性恋还是会让你被捕......
Europe
These have existed in most Western European countries for the last 15 to 20 years, but these have been mostly replaced by "gay marriage" in the meantime because people are so indoctrinated about the special status of marriage that claiming the "married" title was more important than finding a solution that works for everybody. So the next "out group" has to go fight the same battle again. And again. And again.
And most annoyingly, countries like the US are pretending they are more progressive than Europe because they had gay marriage earlier, completely ignorant that gay ccouples in Europe could already have civil unxs while being gay still got you arrested in the US...
这个在过去的15到20年里，普遍存在于大多数西欧国家之中，但在此期间，这些需求大多被"同性恋婚姻"所取代，因为人们被灌输了婚姻的特殊地位，以至于争取一个“已婚”的头衔比找到一个适合每个人的解决方案更重要。所以下一个"边缘群体"又得去打同样的仗。一次又一次。
最可气的是，像美国这样的国家还假装自己比欧洲更进步，因为他们更早地有了同性恋婚姻，完全不知道在欧洲同性恋夫妇已经可以有民事结合，而在美国，同性恋还是会让你被捕......
meontheinternetxx
Registered partnerships in the Netherlands still only involve 2 people, as far as I am aware (and changing that is a significant change in many parts of our law and tax rules I guess, we do not want people exploiting this and they surely will if they can)
据我所知，荷兰的“注册伴侣”仍然只涉及两个人（据我所知，改变这一点会对我们的法律和税收规则的许多地方产生重大的影响，我们不希望人们利用这一点，如果他们可以的话，他们肯定会这样做）。
Registered partnerships in the Netherlands still only involve 2 people, as far as I am aware (and changing that is a significant change in many parts of our law and tax rules I guess, we do not want people exploiting this and they surely will if they can)
据我所知，荷兰的“注册伴侣”仍然只涉及两个人（据我所知，改变这一点会对我们的法律和税收规则的许多地方产生重大的影响，我们不希望人们利用这一点，如果他们可以的话，他们肯定会这样做）。
KingGage
What is the difference between marriage and a unx that provides all of the same legal benefits?
婚姻和同样提供所有相同法律利益的工会有什么区别？
What is the difference between marriage and a unx that provides all of the same legal benefits?
婚姻和同样提供所有相同法律利益的工会有什么区别？
Auxx
United Kingdom
6 hours ago
Western marriage is made in the name of god. But there''s no god, so it doesn''t make sense to have any marriages at all.
西方婚姻是以上帝的名义缔结的。但现实中没有上帝，所以结婚根本没有意义。
United Kingdom
6 hours ago
Western marriage is made in the name of god. But there''s no god, so it doesn''t make sense to have any marriages at all.
西方婚姻是以上帝的名义缔结的。但现实中没有上帝，所以结婚根本没有意义。
KingGage
The people who care about god dispute that and therefore won''t accept that argument. I suspect lots of non religious people would dispute that as well.
关心上帝的人对此会有异议，因此不会接受这种说法。而且我猜想很多非宗教人士也会对此提出异议。
The people who care about god dispute that and therefore won''t accept that argument. I suspect lots of non religious people would dispute that as well.
关心上帝的人对此会有异议，因此不会接受这种说法。而且我猜想很多非宗教人士也会对此提出异议。
Professional-Trip
So Women back then did not need a Man who provided for them?
所以以前的女人不需要一个男人来供养她们？
So Women back then did not need a Man who provided for them?
所以以前的女人不需要一个男人来供养她们？
sebesbal
Are you sure that marriage is a benefit for men and not for women? I always thought the opposite.
There are huge tax benefits and financial support (eg. housing, inheritance) for married couples. It''s just unfair to leave out same-sex couples.
你确定婚姻是男人的福利而不是女人的？我的想法一直是相反的。
对已婚夫妇来说，有巨大的税收优惠和财政支持（如住房、遗产）。把同性伴侣排除在外是不公平的。
Are you sure that marriage is a benefit for men and not for women? I always thought the opposite.
There are huge tax benefits and financial support (eg. housing, inheritance) for married couples. It''s just unfair to leave out same-sex couples.
你确定婚姻是男人的福利而不是女人的？我的想法一直是相反的。
对已婚夫妇来说，有巨大的税收优惠和财政支持（如住房、遗产）。把同性伴侣排除在外是不公平的。
dsheroh
There are huge tax benefits and financial support (eg. housing, inheritance) for married couples. It''s just unfair to leave out same-sex couples.
...which is basically the argument for getting the government out of marriage entirely. It is indeed unfair to leave out same-sex couples, but it''s also unfair to leave out non-monogamous people, people living together long-term without getting married, people in long-term relationships without living together ("Living Apart Together"), single people, and basically every other relationship geometry that isn''t "exactly two romantically-involved adults sharing a single household".
......这基本上就是让政府完全退出干涉婚姻的论点。排除同性伴侣确实不公平，但排除非一夫一妻制的人、长期同居而不结婚的人、长期恋爱而不同居的人（"分居"）、单身的人，以及基本上所有其他不是"完全是两个恋爱中的成年人共处一户"的关系之中的人，也是不公平的。
There are huge tax benefits and financial support (eg. housing, inheritance) for married couples. It''s just unfair to leave out same-sex couples.
...which is basically the argument for getting the government out of marriage entirely. It is indeed unfair to leave out same-sex couples, but it''s also unfair to leave out non-monogamous people, people living together long-term without getting married, people in long-term relationships without living together ("Living Apart Together"), single people, and basically every other relationship geometry that isn''t "exactly two romantically-involved adults sharing a single household".
......这基本上就是让政府完全退出干涉婚姻的论点。排除同性伴侣确实不公平，但排除非一夫一妻制的人、长期同居而不结婚的人、长期恋爱而不同居的人（"分居"）、单身的人，以及基本上所有其他不是"完全是两个恋爱中的成年人共处一户"的关系之中的人，也是不公平的。
sebesbal
Most of the financial benefits should be lixed to raising a child, which really needs support. Couples without children shouldn''t get any tax benefits. But there are other things, eg. inheritance, share the responsibility to pay the mortgage etc. These things only make sense when we talk about a couple, not a single person.
大部分的经济福利应该与养育孩子挂钩，孩子确实需要支持。没有孩子的夫妻不应该得到任何税收优惠。但是还有其他的东西，比如说继承，分担支付房贷的责任等等。这些东西只有当我们谈论一对夫妇，而不是一个人时才有意义。
Most of the financial benefits should be lixed to raising a child, which really needs support. Couples without children shouldn''t get any tax benefits. But there are other things, eg. inheritance, share the responsibility to pay the mortgage etc. These things only make sense when we talk about a couple, not a single person.
大部分的经济福利应该与养育孩子挂钩，孩子确实需要支持。没有孩子的夫妻不应该得到任何税收优惠。但是还有其他的东西，比如说继承，分担支付房贷的责任等等。这些东西只有当我们谈论一对夫妇，而不是一个人时才有意义。
Ohrwurms
Amsterdam
Even in highly atheist and progressive countries, marriage is still quite popular. It is a legislative pipedream. You would prefer to keep gay couples in an even more unequal situation to chase that pipedream?
即使在高度无神论和进步的国家，婚姻仍然相当流行。这是一个立法上的空想。你宁愿让同性恋夫妇处于更加不平等的境地，来追逐这个空想？
Amsterdam
Even in highly atheist and progressive countries, marriage is still quite popular. It is a legislative pipedream. You would prefer to keep gay couples in an even more unequal situation to chase that pipedream?
即使在高度无神论和进步的国家，婚姻仍然相当流行。这是一个立法上的空想。你宁愿让同性恋夫妇处于更加不平等的境地，来追逐这个空想？
untergeher_muc
Bavaria
Marriage is for masochists.
婚姻是给受虐狂的。
Bavaria
Marriage is for masochists.
婚姻是给受虐狂的。
IkBenTrotsDusBlij
Gelderland (Netherlands)
Marriage is a patriarchical institutuion to deny sexual freedom to women so men can be sure that a woman''s offspring is actually his.
So now literal cheating falls under sexual freedom as well? When will you progressives stop with your degeneracy? What''s the endgoal? I genuinely don''t get it. Is it bitterness?
“婚姻是一种父权制度，目的是剥夺妇女的性自由，以便男子可以确定妇女的后代实际上是他的。”
所以现在字面意义上的出轨也属于性自由了？你们这些进步主义者什么时候才能停止你们的堕落？这么想起来最终目标又是什么？我真的不明白。是为了追求刺激吗？
Gelderland (Netherlands)
Marriage is a patriarchical institutuion to deny sexual freedom to women so men can be sure that a woman''s offspring is actually his.
So now literal cheating falls under sexual freedom as well? When will you progressives stop with your degeneracy? What''s the endgoal? I genuinely don''t get it. Is it bitterness?
“婚姻是一种父权制度，目的是剥夺妇女的性自由，以便男子可以确定妇女的后代实际上是他的。”
所以现在字面意义上的出轨也属于性自由了？你们这些进步主义者什么时候才能停止你们的堕落？这么想起来最终目标又是什么？我真的不明白。是为了追求刺激吗？
Auxx
United Kingdom
There''s no cheating, only free love.
没有出轨，只有自由的爱。
United Kingdom
There''s no cheating, only free love.
没有出轨，只有自由的爱。
Gayandfluffy
Finland
Today at least in my country marriage is an equal legal partnership that gives you certain rights, like inheriting your spouse and getting some economic compensation if you divorce. You''re right that it used to be about controlling women, but in many cases it''s not like that anymore. I want to have the right to marriage because civil unxs have been seen as a lesser thing, the thing gay people can have as a consolation price because it''s against god or something to get married. I think getting married to someone of the same sex is the opposite of heteronormative. I''m currently single but I do want to get married some day, for me it would be a revolutionary act, a gigant middle finger towards homophobes who mean I''m not equal to them and that I can''t have what they have.
如今至少在我的国家，婚姻是一种平等的法律关系，它赋予你一定的权利，比如继承配偶的财产，如果你离婚，还可以得到一些经济补偿。你说的没错，以前的婚姻是为了控制女性，但在很多情况下，现在已经不是这样了。我想拥有婚姻的权利，因为民事结合一直被看成是一个比较次要的东西，同性恋者可以拥有的东西，作为一种安慰奖，因为同性结婚是违反上帝或什么的。我觉得和同性结婚是在反对异性恋霸权。我目前是单身，但我确实想有一天结婚，对我来说，这将是一个革命性的行为，一个对恐同者竖起的巨大的中指，他们觉得我和他们不是平等的，我不能拥有他们拥有的东西。
Finland
Today at least in my country marriage is an equal legal partnership that gives you certain rights, like inheriting your spouse and getting some economic compensation if you divorce. You''re right that it used to be about controlling women, but in many cases it''s not like that anymore. I want to have the right to marriage because civil unxs have been seen as a lesser thing, the thing gay people can have as a consolation price because it''s against god or something to get married. I think getting married to someone of the same sex is the opposite of heteronormative. I''m currently single but I do want to get married some day, for me it would be a revolutionary act, a gigant middle finger towards homophobes who mean I''m not equal to them and that I can''t have what they have.
如今至少在我的国家，婚姻是一种平等的法律关系，它赋予你一定的权利，比如继承配偶的财产，如果你离婚，还可以得到一些经济补偿。你说的没错，以前的婚姻是为了控制女性，但在很多情况下，现在已经不是这样了。我想拥有婚姻的权利，因为民事结合一直被看成是一个比较次要的东西，同性恋者可以拥有的东西，作为一种安慰奖，因为同性结婚是违反上帝或什么的。我觉得和同性结婚是在反对异性恋霸权。我目前是单身，但我确实想有一天结婚，对我来说，这将是一个革命性的行为，一个对恐同者竖起的巨大的中指，他们觉得我和他们不是平等的，我不能拥有他们拥有的东西。
every_evening_i_bed
Marriage is exactly for that,the government doesn''t give a shit about you being happy in some relationship, hovewer it does want you to breed and make more workers by helping you with eased taxes so that you could afford a child.
婚姻正是为了这个目的，政府并不关心你在某段关系中是否快乐，它只希望你繁殖，通过帮助你减轻税收来让你养得起孩子制造更多的工人。
Marriage is exactly for that,the government doesn''t give a shit about you being happy in some relationship, hovewer it does want you to breed and make more workers by helping you with eased taxes so that you could afford a child.
婚姻正是为了这个目的，政府并不关心你在某段关系中是否快乐，它只希望你繁殖，通过帮助你减轻税收来让你养得起孩子制造更多的工人。
Accomplished_Way_538
In Greece, we have a piece of paper that says "we are living together" and that''s it.
在希腊，我们有一张纸上写着“我们正住在一起”，仅此而已。
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In Greece, we have a piece of paper that says "we are living together" and that''s it.
在希腊，我们有一张纸上写着“我们正住在一起”，仅此而已。
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alpceylan
Turkey
Better than in Turkey, homosexuals don''t exist according to our president. Wonder who is organizing pride every year
比在土耳其好，我们的总统说同性恋者不存在。不知道每年是谁在组织骄傲游行活动
Turkey
Better than in Turkey, homosexuals don''t exist according to our president. Wonder who is organizing pride every year
比在土耳其好，我们的总统说同性恋者不存在。不知道每年是谁在组织骄傲游行活动
Dragonaax
Silesia + Toruń (Poland)
One time Portugal can''t into eastern Europe
难得的葡萄牙不和东欧保持一致的一次
Silesia + Toruń (Poland)
One time Portugal can''t into eastern Europe
难得的葡萄牙不和东欧保持一致的一次
rollingSleepyPanda
Yeah when it comes to social issues we are deep in Western side, when it comes to economical, we like to join our comrades in the East. Can''t fault us for not playing well with others!
是啊，在社会问题上，我们深陷西方，在经济问题上，我们喜欢和东方的同志一起。这么说来难怪我们跟人家玩得不好!
Yeah when it comes to social issues we are deep in Western side, when it comes to economical, we like to join our comrades in the East. Can''t fault us for not playing well with others!
是啊，在社会问题上，我们深陷西方，在经济问题上，我们喜欢和东方的同志一起。这么说来难怪我们跟人家玩得不好!
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