讨论：西伯利亚虎和灰熊相斗，谁会是王者？

1、Anyone who has watched a video of two grizzly bears fighting knows there is no chance in hell a tiger can kill a grizzly.

只要看过两只灰熊搏斗的人都会明白，老虎根本没有可能杀死灰熊。

a tiger cannot even take down a sloth bear half its own weight lol

（回复）老虎连体重只及它一半的（印度）懒熊都放不倒呵呵

those are sub adults :/

（回复）那些是亚成体（的老虎）

Btw tigers hunt bears including grizzly it is 5% of tigers diet

（回复）顺便一提，熊类是老虎的猎物，其中也包括灰熊，在老虎的食物中，熊类占到了5%

2、I'm sorry.. but I think a Grizzly bear would rip a tiger to shreds... and then go get another one

我很抱歉，但我觉得灰熊能把老虎撕成碎片…然后就会去对付下一只老虎

Have you seen bears in action? They hardly use their paws at all. I haven't seen a video of a bear actually swiping with it's paw and attack with it's claws. Tiger is much faster and the bear would die from bloodloss before it could even get it's large body over it

（回复）你见过实战中的熊么？它们几乎完全不使用爪子。我在各种熊的视频中从来没见过它们用爪子挥击和进攻的。老虎的速度要快得多，熊那巨大的身躯在熬过去之前，就会死于失血。

I'm a tiger fan but buddy I have to go with the bear

（回复）我是虎迷，但是各位啊，我不得不站在熊那边。

3、Google says that when there was lack of prey for tiger it used to hunt Brown bear in Russia....
And tiger hunt larger prey than Gizzliy bear..
Clearly tiger is winner...

谷歌里说，在俄罗斯，当老虎的猎物不足时，它往往就会去猎杀棕熊…
而且老虎捕杀的猎物在体型上比灰熊的猎物更大..
显然老虎会是赢家…

4、Tigers will lose against Bears.
Brown Bear > Tiger
Tigers would have to sneak attack Bear.

在对阵熊时，老虎会输。
棕熊强过老虎
面对熊时，老虎将不得不采用偷袭的办法。

5、I think that who ever “won” the fight would have such grievous damage that he would die shortly from injuries and blood loss

我觉得，无论“胜者”是谁都会身负重伤，它在受伤乃至失血后不久就会死去
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Very true. It wouldn't be smart of them to fight till death

（回复）太真实了。对它们来说，血战到死可不是什么明智的做法
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there's no way a tiger is taking on a grown healthy grizzly bear or rhino. It's an ambush predator and not built for extended battle or absorbing damage. Look up the stamina facts about each, and realize if the tiger couldn't kill the bear in a few minutes it'd begin to fatigue and have to retreat or die.

（回复）老虎根本不可能去和一只健康的成年灰熊或犀牛较量。老虎属于伏击型的掠食者，它生来就不适合持久战或吸收伤害。去查一下双方真实的耐力值，然后你就会明白，如果老虎不能在几分钟内杀死熊，它就会疲惫不堪，不得不退避三舍，不然就会死。

6、If a sloth bear can handle an attack from a tiger, a grizzly bear should have no problem at all

如果连懒熊都能防住老虎的进攻，那灰熊应该就不成问题了。

7、Maybe a better question is who is stronger pound for pound. A 400 pound bear verse a 400 pound tiger. Would a 400 pound tiger really want to fight a 1000 pound bear? That wouldn't even be a fair fight.

也许更好的问法是：同体重的熊和虎谁更强。一只400磅的熊对阵一只400磅的虎。一只400磅的虎真的愿意去和一只1000磅的熊较量吗？这连公平都谈不上嘛。

8、With adult male bear Tiger not even fight. It run away.600kg bear is untouchble. Hell. Indian Tiger is big trouble even with tiny sloth bears. Bears in Siberia grow 4-5 times bigger.

老虎碰到成年公熊，连打都不会去打。它会逃跑。600公斤的熊那可是无敌的。印度的老虎碰到体型很小的懒熊都会陷入大麻烦。西伯利亚的熊可是能长到懒熊的四到五倍大。

9、To be honest, I can’t see how a Siberian tiger wins this fight. Bears are too big and strong

老实说，我无法想象一只西伯利亚虎要怎样才能赢下这场战斗。熊实在是太大太壮了

Tigers are fucking strong and are capable of killing Bears by ambushing them and breaking their spinal columns (of course the Bear can destroy the tiger too)

（回复）老虎太TM强大了，而且能靠偷袭和咬断脊椎骨来杀死熊（当然了，熊也能灭掉老虎）

10、Guess you’ve never seen a Siberian tiger

我猜你们是从来没见过西伯利亚虎。
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Guess you never seen a full size grizzly, that hump they have on their shoulders is nothing but pure muscle for crushing bones and digging. As for the sneak attack it would never happen that bear would smell it from miles away.

（回复）我猜你是从来没见过发育完全的灰熊，它们肩膀上的隆起部分全都是肌肉，能用来压碎骨头以及挖掘。而偷袭也是不可能发生的，熊在几英里以外就能闻到气味。

11、Nothing would take down a Kodiak grizzly. Not even the biggest Siberian Tiger, which is my favorite animal. Gorgeous!

没有任何动物能放倒科迪亚克棕熊。连最大的西伯利亚虎也办不到，那可是我最喜欢的动物。漂亮极了！

12、Because according to the records the biggest Siberian Tiger weighed almost 771 pounds. This weight was recorded at Russia’s Far East region in 1934.

因为根据历史记录，最大的西伯利亚虎重约771磅。该数据是1934年在俄罗斯的远东地区测得的。

13、Grizzly bear: Look orange striped beast, this is not going to ene up good for both of us.
Siberian tiger: How about just leave and go find some food big brown monster?
*They leave and go the opposite direction

灰熊：橙色条纹兽你听着，这样下去我们都不会有好下场。
西伯利亚虎：索性我们就离开这里各自找食物去得了，你说呢棕色巨怪？
（于是它们冲着相反的方向走远了）
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14、Grizzly is the smaller cousin of the Kodiak which his the king of the bears. Polar bears run from Grizzlys, Kodiak is a bigger Grizzly.

灰熊是科迪亚克棕熊的小表弟，而后者是熊科之王。北极熊碰到灰熊都得躲开，而科迪亚克熊相当于大号的灰熊。

15、Shotguns have a hard time killing Grizzlies.
Buena suerte tigre

就算用霰弹枪，都很难打死灰熊
虎兄，祝你好运哦

16、Grizzys are walking garbage cans and will eat anything. Often they don't even give their prey the satisfaction of killing it before being eaten, the bear just starts chewing on you...

灰熊是行走的垃圾桶，它们什么都吃。猎物在被吃以前，连个痛快的死法都得不到，那熊会直接开始活吃你…

they are lazy animals they probably don't want to bother wasting the energy to kill you.big cats kill the prey cause they dont wanna get kicked etc cause they don't really have thick fur and so much fucking body fat like a grizzly to protect them...it's not a mercy thing it's a eating in a safe way thing.but the grizlly isn't concerned about that if you kick it'll just put you down its heavy and strong and it knows it

（回复）它们是很懒惰的动物，可能都不愿意浪费能量弄死你。而大猫会杀死猎物，因为它们不希望被猎物踢到什么的，而这是因为它们没有厚厚的皮毛，也不像灰熊那样有那么多可用来自保的体脂…这事儿无关慈悲，只是为了安全地进食而已。但灰熊可不会担心你会不会踢它，它会直接放倒你，它又重又壮实，它自己也很清楚这点。

17、When they meet in a room. Tiger thinking start to fight and eat that guy. Bear thinking how to defence and fight back. I think

如果它们在一间房间里相遇。老虎想的是开始厮杀并吃掉对方。熊想的是如何防守反击。我觉得是这样

18、Tigers are killing machines
Bears are tanks that are really durable

老虎是杀戮机器
熊是超能扛打的坦克

19、And then up walks the Polar bear and says "I take on the winner...."

然后北极熊走了过来，说“赢了的和我斗”…

Polar bears avoid grizzly bears lol. They are the biggest pu*** I have seen of the animal kingdom who get bullied by grizzly half their size.

（回复）呵呵北极熊见了灰熊就躲。它们是我在动物王国中见过的最怂的货了，居然会被体型只有它一半的灰熊欺负。

they have found polar grizzly hybrids in the wild.there's an island were they both go to hunt fish or seal look it up

（回复）他们在野外找到过北极熊和灰熊的杂交种。它们在一个岛上，既会捕鱼又会抓海豹，自己去搜

20、As a kid I worked in San Francisco when a famous carnival came into town. On one evening I witnessed a tiger loose in the back stage area when two cages disengaged from a train like system and the tiger approached a Siberian Brown bear that was well over 1200 pounds. The animals were quickly separated and I had an opportunity to speak with the head trainer and asked who would have won if a fight occurred and he laughed and said, “the bear would have broke the tigers back with one strike.” He said once the bears which he called grizzlies reached 1500 pounds they were retired because they are too much to handle.

我小时候在旧金山工作，当时有个相当有名的狂欢节团体来我们城里了。有天晚上，有两个笼子从一个类似列车的结构体中脱离出来了，我目睹一只老虎逃了出来，跑到了后台区，它逼近了一只体重远超1200磅的西伯利亚棕熊。很快这两只动物就被分开了，当时我得到机会和首席驯兽员聊了几句，我问他说如果发生打斗谁会赢，他笑着说道，“那熊只须一击就能打断老虎的背脊”。他说，那些熊（他指的是灰熊）的体重一旦达到1500磅就会退休，因为要控制它们太费功夫了。

21、The thing is that the roar of a tiger itself is intimidating for even a grizzly bear so in most of the cases the bear will not engage and maintain its distance

问题是：虎啸本身就能让对方闻而生畏，就算是灰熊也一样，所以在大部分情况中，熊是不会接战的，而是会保持距离

22、The fact that the grizzly has poor eyesight would make me believe an ambush predator like the siberian tiger could definitely catch a grizzly out of it’s zone.

事实就是灰熊的视力很差，这样的话我就会相信，西伯利亚虎这样搞伏击的掠食者绝对能抓到一只离开自己领地的灰熊

23、grizzly bears will keep fighting even when hurt. Tigers go for the neck. That's a lot of neck to get through when the tank is fighting back

灰熊就算受伤了也会战斗不止。老虎是对准脖子攻击的。而熊的脖颈太宽厚了，很难咬穿，到那时候就轮到坦克反击了
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24、You ever see that docu where the lion, tiger and bear were all friends, all males, and similar size, all known each other since babyhood (rescued from rich drug dealer at same) time and the lion and tiger are both clearly submissive to the bear, and they are so for good reason

你们有没有看过那个纪录片，其中的狮子、老虎和熊成了朋友，全都是雄性，体型也很接近，它们还是小崽子的时候彼此就认识了（是从毒贩子手中救出来的），能明显看出来狮子和老虎是臣服于那只熊的，而它们这么做也是有充分理由的。

25、I'm surprised you didn't mention the height of grizzley bears standing on their hind legs.

让我很惊讶的是，你们完全没有提到灰熊直立起来时那高度。

26、It is documented that most bear vs tiger fight in Siberian forests end in Tigers coming out on top but bears sometimes kills the tiger

有记载说在西伯利亚森林中发生的熊虎斗中，最后的结局大都是老虎胜出，但熊有时候也能杀死老虎

those documented facts say the largest bear got killed was 400 pounds which says eveerthing ,tigers dont take on fully grown adult male bears which reach 800 pounds

（回复）那些记录下的事实里写道，被杀死的熊中最大的也只有400磅重，这就很说明问题了，老虎不会挑发育完全且体重达到800磅的成年公熊下手

27、tigers look cool but that doesn't make me blind. I put my money on the grizzly

老虎看上去很酷，但这一点不会让我盲目。我押灰熊

1. Brown bears that interact with tigers are Ussuri brown bears, which are not part of the grizzly's subspecies.
2. Tigers go for the younger Ussuri bears because as the adults are too fat.
3. Tigers don't always win the fight.
4. Tigers mainly feed on boars.

（回复）1）与老虎发生互动的是乌苏里棕熊（即东北棕熊），这种熊并不是灰熊的亚种
2）老虎会找年幼的乌苏里棕熊下手，因为成年熊实在是太肥壮了
3）老虎并不总是能赢得这样的战斗
4）老虎的主食是野猪

（图解：图为俄罗斯境内的乌苏里棕熊）
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tigers are not successful every time but they get killed rarely in hunts. 34 interactions where recorded between them, the bears where killed 22 times and the tigers where killed 12 times.

（回复）老虎并不是每一次都能成功，但它们在捕猎中被杀死的情况是很少的。在被记录下来的34次熊虎互动中，有22次是熊被杀，而老虎被杀了12次。

28、I noticed that a lot of people in the comments really underestimate a tiger’s strength. Like I said, I don’t think the are stronger than grizzly but don’t forget that they can bring down and kill a grown Buffalo single handed.

我注意到，评论区里有很多人是真的低估了老虎的力量。我不觉得老虎比灰熊强壮，但别忘了，老虎单枪匹马就能放倒并杀死一只成年的野牛。

29、Saw a cougar defending its young by attacking a grizzly,jumped on the grizzly's back and started biting its neck.

我见过一只美洲狮在保护她幼崽的时候攻击了一只灰熊，她跳上灰熊的背，然后就开始咬它的脖子。

30、COMPARING A SIBERIAN TIGER TO A GRIZZLY BEAR IS LIKE COMPARING A BESERKER VIKING WITH A (WARHAMMER) TO A ROMAN LEGIONNAIRE WITH A (GLADIUS SWORD)

把西伯利亚虎拿去和灰熊比较，就像是把使战锤的维京狂战士，拿去和使罗马短剑的古罗马军团士兵比较。