挪威人自述:同是北欧海盗,挪威人、瑞典人和丹麦人有何不同?
2021-06-21 yzy86 23866
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(图解:摘自《挪威国王奥拉夫一世(Olav Tryggvasson)传奇》,“这些林地山羊是打不过我们的,因为丹麦人的胆色有如山羊。我们可不会害怕这支军队,因为这些丹麦人可从来没有在海战中取得过胜利”)




(图解:摘自《挪威国王奥拉夫一世(Olav Tryggvasson)传奇》,“相比于顶着我们武器的锋芒登上长蛇号并扫灭我们的战船,这些瑞典人更乐意干的事情是把他们的献祭碗舔干净,这也更容易做到。我想我们不必害怕这些吃马之徒”;长蛇号为著名的维京长船,系为了奥拉夫一世而建,是当时最长的维京长船)



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口述内容经听译如下:
=我们互相取笑,我们善意竞争,虽然不愿意承认,但我们相亲相爱如兄弟
=一致对外的斯堪的纳维亚在家门口是无敌的,所以自古以来遭受外部诸强的挑拨和分化,至今犹然
=【丹麦部分】
-喜欢吃丹麦糕点,说话含混不清像嘴里含着一个土豆
-资格最老、最强大、肩负责任最重的维京大哥
-侵略最多,抵御强敌最多,战绩最多,是维京时代大部分传奇英雄的故乡,是最擅长殖民扩张的维京人,擅长先定居后反客为主(英国的丹麦法区),反复袭扰并攻占了法国北部(诺曼人建诺曼底公国),用丹麦基因将英国原住民的凯尔特人基因清洗殆尽,是给世界留下最深烙印的维京人
-海战水平很差
-对外扩张的驱动力:人口快速增长
-是适应力最强、最早完成基督化、最早拥抱“文明”社会的维京人,也因此被挪威人和瑞典人耻笑
=【挪威部分】
-爱惹麻烦的狂野少年,存在感较低的维京三弟
-内部极为多样化(多内战),资源丰富但最为闭塞,生产力水平不如瑞典、丹麦,以小规模劫掠为主
-无情者哈拉尔、赤膊王奥拉夫一世相关,热爱自由的挪威人往往会逃离挪威,至今犹然
=【瑞典部分】
-喜欢开轰趴、一身嬉皮气的心灵系维京二哥,行者气质,不似大哥和三弟那么好战,开化程度较高,但在维京时代之前曾是一哥
-生产力水平最高,通过移民将基因洒遍欧陆
-在保藏、传承维京文化/宗教方面发挥了最重要的作用,欧陆异教硕果仅存的几大堡垒之一,精神层面受东欧/东方影响较大,在此地发现了大量异教文物/典仪/术法,以及经由和东方贸易得来的大量佛像等东方艺术品,





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David Jorge
I'm half Mexican and half Danish. Essentially a Spicy Viking.

我是一半墨西哥人一半丹麦人。本质上是一个热辣的维京人。
(回复)I'm a mix Danish and Spanish, we're in the same Longship friend.
我是丹麦西班牙混血,在维京长船上,我们同舟共济,朋友
(回复)I’m half danish, half Cuban.

The girls love it.

我是一半丹麦人一半古巴人。
妹子们可喜欢我这种混法了

Hey Ho
I'm swedish and my grandpa was huge into reading about scandinavian history, and according to him Denmark was the shield, Norway the sword and Sweden the body. Funny enough it makes sense with what you said in your conclusion of the video.

我是瑞典人,我爷爷非常热衷于阅读斯堪的纳维亚的历史,而根据他的说法,丹麦是盾牌,挪威是剑,而瑞典是身体。就还挺搞笑的,因为这种说法符合你在视频中得出的结论。

Weird to call Norway the sword when Denmark did most of the fighting/conquering.

(回复)把挪威说成剑就很奇怪了,明明大部分征战都是丹麦干的。

Nowadays Denmark is the belly, Norway the loo and Sweden the brain.

(回复)现如今丹麦成了肚皮,挪威成了厕所,而瑞典成了头脑。
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Norway's main contribution to technology: the cheese slicer.

(回复,瑞典人)挪威对科技的主要贡献也就剩下芝士切片刀了
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(图解:图为挪威制芝士切片刀)

The harpoon cannon is a VERY useful Norwegian invention.
Same with the paper clip, apparently. :P
But aside from those, yeah. xD

(回复)鱼叉炮可是非常有用的挪威发明。
显然回形针也是。
但除去这些,嘿嘿你懂的。

Keep being divided
Much love from Canada

(回复)请一直保持四分五裂的状态,加拿大爱你们哦

Sweden is the brain, has the most technological advancements of all three. All Norway has are gas fields in the North Sea and Denmark is irrelevant.

(回复)瑞典是头脑,在这三国中拥有最先进的科学技术。挪威有的只剩下北海的天然气田了,而丹麦是无足轻重的国家。

It is well known among Norway and Denmark that Sweden is stupid... i mean Sweden was stupid enough to let Norway get away with taking most of their money when they became an independent country. :P
Norway celebrates that sht every 17th of may. xD
One of the main reasons Swedens current economy is in the shtter to this very day. : /

(回复)在挪威和丹麦有件事是众所周知的,那就是瑞典人很蠢…我的意思是,瑞典都能蠢到听任挪威在独立时拿走瑞典一大半的钱
挪威还会在每年的五月十七日(即挪威国庆节)庆祝此事哈哈
而这也是瑞典的经济状况直到今天都很凄惨的一大原因。

In Sweden we celebrate 365 days a year we got rid of that shit in 1905.

(回复)而在瑞典的我们每天都会庆祝我们在1905年摆脱了你们这个垃圾国家。

Oh, and Sweden happens to be one of the strongest economies in Europe. And when oil prices drop, you'll soon be back clearing fish again.

(回复)哦对了,瑞典恰巧是欧洲最强大的经济体之一。等到油价下跌的时候,你们挪威人很会就要回去剖鱼肚子了。

Philip Söderberg Skog
"Swedes didn't do much"
Beowulf: "yeah those monsters just killed themselves..."

视频:“瑞典的建树不多”
贝奥武夫:“是啊是啊,那些海怪全都是自杀的…”

Yeah apparently someone burned the records proving that Grendel existed. Must have been the Christians :D

(回复)可不是么,显然有人烧毁了能证明格伦德尔存在的历史记录。最有可能是基督徒干的。
(译注:格伦德尔为《贝奥武夫》中记述的反派巨人,最终被贝奥武夫诛杀)

Agra Cadabra
Norway: raiding vikings
Demark: settling vikings
Sweden: chillin vikings
Iceland: still vikings

挪威:劫掠派维京人
丹麦:定居派维京人
瑞典:淡定派维京人
冰岛:至今还是维京人

Normandy: French Vikings

(回复)诺曼底:法兰西维京人

Finns: still drinking.

(回复)芬兰人:至今还在喝酒。
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Swedish vikings didn't chill though. They settled the east in Russia and together with the slavic population founded the Kingdom of Rus (Rus Vikings --> Russia)

(回复)可瑞典的维京人并不是蛋定派哦。他们去了东部俄罗斯的土地上定居,和斯拉夫诸族一起建立了(基辅)罗斯王国(是罗斯维京人逐渐演变成了俄罗斯)
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And first Varangian Guards were Slavic and Rus Viking mercenaries.

(回复)而第一支瓦良格卫队就是由斯拉夫人和罗斯维京人雇佣兵组成的。
(译注:瓦兰吉卫队(Varangians)也称北欧卫队,是拜占庭帝国的皇家近卫重装步兵部队,主要由迁入南俄草原的北欧诸族组成)

Sweden: vikings under muslim siege…

(回复)瑞典:被穆斯林围攻的维京人

Germany: smart vikings

(回复)德国:脑袋瓜好使的维京人
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Russia: drinking vikings

(回复)俄罗斯:酗酒的维京人

Yorkshire: Anglo-Danish Vikings! x

约克郡人:盎格鲁-丹麦人组成的维京人呵呵

Space Wolves: furry vikings
(This is a reference to WH 40K)

(回复)太空狼:毛茸茸的维京人(《战锤40K:太空狼》)

Most of the vikings came from Denmark and Sweden, not Norway. The best sources aren't stories from 13th centuary, but actual evidence. For example Runestones. Almost all of the runestones that exist, especially those describing the raids to England are In SWEDEN.

(回复)维京人大多来自丹麦和瑞典,而不是挪威。最好的原始资料并不是创作于十三世纪的那些故事,而是摸得着的证据。比如说符文石。几乎所有现存的符文石,特别是那些描述突袭英国的符文石都在瑞典。

Genetically-wise Swedes are more like Bronze age danish people than danish people today are. They think this has to do with Denmark being a half-Island and thus taking in a lot of genetic influences from down south.
The only Rune carving in Greece, The pius Lion was also from Swedish vikings.

从基因上看,瑞典人更接近青铜器时代的丹麦人,而非当代丹麦人。他们认为这肯定和丹麦的半岛属性有关,也因为这一点吸纳了大量来自遥远南方的基因。
希腊境内唯一的北欧符文雕刻比雷埃夫斯石狮(The pius Lion)也是出自瑞典维京人之手。

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GorillaGuerilla
As a Dane, I might be a kind of exception, as I will at any time admit that I absolutely love my Norwegian and Swedish brothers and sisters.
(AND my Finnish half brothers and half sisters)

作为一个丹麦人,我可能是个例外,因为我在任何时候都很愿意承认我深深爱着挪威和瑞典的兄弟姐妹(以及我同父异母的兄弟姐妹芬兰 )

You can't just openly admit it. A Dane can't say they like a Swede

(回复)但你就是不可以公开承认这个。丹麦人是不可以公开说他喜欢瑞典人的。

But you love the Norwegian just a little bit more ???? Yes...

(回复)但你对挪威人的喜欢会多那么一点点吧?肯定是的…

Although I do have close family ties in both Norway and Sweden, it's probably Sweden I personally has most relations with.
But of I think both Denmark and Sweden consider Norway as a young sibling, where Sweden and Denmark has always been more competitive.
And at times Norway has been the price for the one who won...
So I think in general both Swedes and Danes love Norwegians slighly more than eachother - but again I'm sort of the odd one out, who loves both equally for each their qualities...

(层主)虽然我在挪威和瑞典都有关系很紧密的家人,但我个人和瑞典的关系可能是最亲近的。
但我觉得,丹麦和瑞典都把挪威看成一个小弟,而瑞典和丹麦的关系一直以来更偏向于竞争。
而且史上发生过很多次了,挪威总会成为前二者中那个赢家的代价…
所以我会觉得,大体来说,相比于对方,瑞典人和丹麦人都更偏爱挪威一些,但我要再说一次,我是个比较怪的人,这两国的特质我同样喜欢。

Dani Krossing
Love you too Norway. Don't tell Sweden I said so.

(丹麦人)我也爱你哦挪威。别告诉瑞典人我说过这句话。

Tratior!

(回复)你个叛徒!

First the danes totaly fuck up the norwegians language, and then you write in english.

(回复)你们丹麦人先是去祸害了挪威人的语言,然后你们又开始用英语书写了。

Supreme Overlord “Nanobug” Nanobug
But what about Finland? I know they exsist, but no one understants anything from them :P

那芬兰又是怎么回事呢?我也知道有这么个地方,但他们的语言没人能听懂

They are something else. They did not speak the language or believed in norse mythology. Viking was something was specificly scandinavian.

(回复)他们是异族。他们说的不是斯堪的纳维亚的语言,也不信奉斯堪的纳维亚神话。北欧海盗是斯堪的纳维亚人独有的。

Finland isn’t a Scandinavian country and neither is their language. Finland is a Nordic country. Their language is close to Sami, Estonian and Hungary but their people aren’t related to the Scandinavians.

(回复)芬兰不是斯堪的纳维亚国家,他们的语言也不是。芬兰是北欧国家。他们的语言接近萨米语、爱沙尼亚语和匈牙利语,但他们这个民族和斯堪的纳维亚人没有血缘关系。

JL 103
It’s hard to get stuff done when there is Fika.

要是该国有吃瑞典下午茶的习惯,那就很难把事情完成了。

..and almost impossible without it!

(回复)可要是没有下午茶,那想要完成简直就不可能了!

True that. My work ethic is founded on Fika.

太真实了。我的工作态度可是取决于下午茶的。

LooksLikeRain
It’s so weird. From fearsome Vikings to essentially the most chill peoples on the planet. Who knew?

这也太奇怪了。从吓死人的北欧海盗变成了这颗星球上最淡定的人群。谁能想到呢?

It's cause we're done with it and moved on.

(回复)那是因为我们玩够了,也已经翻篇了。
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Yup, it’s fascinating how peoples change over time. Look at the romans, it’s a mystery to me how they organized a huge empire but Rome is a logistical nightmare nowadays , I guess the hordes of Japanese tourists were too much for them

(回复)是啊,人群随着时间推移而不断嬗变的过程是很迷人的。瞧瞧罗马人吧,他们当初能组织起一个巨大的帝国可今天的罗马却是物流的噩梦,个中原因对我来说是成谜的,我猜成群结队的日本游客对他们来说已经不堪重负了。

My people (Arabs) had kingdoms and wars and great battles... And today.... Why yes today we still at war

(回复)我的同胞(阿拉伯人)曾建立过王国,也经历过战争和各种伟大的战役…可是如今,为什么如今的我们还在打仗呢

Bruuh
"Spreading Danish genetics" nice way of putting it

“播撒丹麦人的基因”,这说法好冠冕堂皇啊嘿嘿

Rasmus Braaten
In norway we actually have somthing called swedish jokes

在挪威,我们还真有种笑话叫瑞典笑话。

Lol, and in Sweden we joke about Norwegians xD
I'm Swe/dane, and it's all in good fun, until a non-scandinavian tries to mock my brethren ;-)

(回复)呵呵,而在瑞典,我们也会取笑挪威人
我是瑞典/丹麦混血,那都是些无伤大雅的笑话,但如果有个斯堪的纳维亚以外的人试图嘲笑我的同胞那情况就不同了。

Chanh Milner
You know you're a badass when someone gets so tired of you raiding a place that they just give it to you.

当别人因为你(反复)劫掠一个地方而不厌其烦,最后他们直接把那块地送给你了(即法国北部),这时你就知道你是个狠角色了。

I mean.... they really settled those danes as vassals, so it is more like: They get so tired of you raiding that they hire you to guard the place from raids.

(回复)我想说的是,法国人为了解决这些乱局,确实把那些丹麦人纳为了封臣,所以更准确的说法是:法国人厌烦了你的劫掠,所以他们雇佣了你去守护这个地方,以免遭其他人劫掠。

Except that the French vassals were very autonomous, the Normanns even more so.
According to legend, when Rollo was to serve fealty to Charles the Simple, he made one of his hirdsmen do it in his place. Per tradition, Rollo's hirdsman kissed Charles foot. But instead of bowing down he grabbed the king's foot and lifted it up to his face, putting Charles on his ass in the process.

(回复)只是,法国的封臣可是非常独立自主的,诺曼人就更是如此了。
据传,当罗洛去向查理三世效忠时,他让手下的一个剑士替他去了。按照传统,罗洛的剑士亲吻了查理三世的脚。但他并没有跪下来,而是一把攥住国王的脚,然后举到自己脸前,在此过程中查理三世一屁股摔坐在了地上。
(译注:罗洛(846-932),北欧海盗首领,维京海盗的传奇英雄之一,诺曼底公国的奠基者)

the french do have a great history of surrendering stuff

(回复)法国人在前肢举高高这件事情上的确有段光辉的历史呢。

Jamie Sharp
The archeology now shows that the first raids abroad were conducted by the Swedes, in the east. The Norwegians were undoubtedly the sea kings though

今天的考古学已经证明了,最早的海外劫掠是瑞典人组织的,位置是在东方。但挪威人是无可争议的海上霸王。

ololadin91
Greatings from Germany. My grate grand dad was danish. i swear his genes are as strong as a viking. Im 2 meters tall and have a ginger beard while being blond.

来自德国的问候。我的曾祖父是丹麦人。我敢发誓,他的基因就和维京人一样强大。我的个头有两米高,一把姜黄色胡须,还是金发。

John Last Name
As a Swede I'm sad to say that almost all of our viking era history was lost when castle Tre Kronor burned with all those books in the library there.

作为一个瑞典人,我很难过地告诉各位:三王冠堡被烧毁的时候,几乎所有维京时代的瑞典历史都佚失了,连同那里图书馆的海量藏书也一并毁掉了。

Wayland Warner
Actually, in Ireland, most people on the East Coast are half Celtic half Norwegian.

在爱尔兰,东海岸的大部分人其实都是一半凯尔特人血统一半挪威人血统。

MrTryAnotherOne
Well, one very influential trait that survied for quite some time was the fighting spirit.

好吧,虽然经过了那么久的时间,还是有一个非常有影响力的特质传承了下来,那就是战斗精神。

allan lanktree
My ancestors were "Dublin Danes", Celt and Viking, best of both worlds. ;-)

我的祖先是“都柏林的丹麦人”,凯尔特人和维京人,是那两个世界中最优秀的人种。

The_ j4cker
Danes: Let's settle in normady
*3 generations later after setting in normady *
Let's conquer Sicily and apulia cuz why not

丹麦人:我们就在诺曼底定居吧
在诺曼底定居了三代人以后:让我们去征服西西里岛和阿普利亚(意大利东南部)吧,为什么不呢

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Stargazer80able
The oldest flag today is still the "Danebrog"

最古老的国旗还要数丹麦国旗

Henrik Norberg
One mute Swede, one deaf Danish and one paralyzed from the waist Norwegian in a wheelchair was out in the forest and came to a cave with a sign with "Go in and wish what you want and it will come true!".
The Swede went in and later came out shouting "I can speak!".
The Danish went in and later came out shouting "I can hear!".
The Norwegian went in and then came out and said: "Look guys, new tires!"

一个瑞典哑巴,一个丹麦聋子和一个腰部瘫痪坐轮椅的挪威人来到森林中的一个洞口前,洞口上写着“进去许个愿,便会成真!”
瑞典人进去了,不久后出来,大喊说“我又能说话了!”
丹麦人进去了,不久后出来,大喊说“我又能听见了!”
挪威人进去然后又出来,说道:“瞧啊伙计们,我这轮椅的轮胎又变成新的了!”

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