欧盟圈讨论：各国人对本国首都的真实看法
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法国人的提问。
法国人的提问。
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Nemarion
Most French have really poor opinion of Paris. The city is dirty af, the range of people there go from pompous "m'as-tu-vu" to asshole assaulting people in the street, the mayor prefer to put low speed limit everywhere instead of cleaning the actual city. People drives like shit (Pray for god if you ever go to the Periph, which is the road that circle Paris)
（法）大部分法国人对巴黎的风评真的很糟糕。这座城市肮脏得要死，那里的人形形色色，从浮夸的卖弄狂，到在大街上殴打行人的混球，市长更喜欢干的事是到处设置低速限制，而不是老老实实去清扫下城市。人们开车开得像屎一样（如果你去过外环公路（Periph，也就是环绕巴黎的那条路），那最好得求上帝保佑）
Most French have really poor opinion of Paris. The city is dirty af, the range of people there go from pompous "m'as-tu-vu" to asshole assaulting people in the street, the mayor prefer to put low speed limit everywhere instead of cleaning the actual city. People drives like shit (Pray for god if you ever go to the Periph, which is the road that circle Paris)
（法）大部分法国人对巴黎的风评真的很糟糕。这座城市肮脏得要死，那里的人形形色色，从浮夸的卖弄狂，到在大街上殴打行人的混球，市长更喜欢干的事是到处设置低速限制，而不是老老实实去清扫下城市。人们开车开得像屎一样（如果你去过外环公路（Periph，也就是环绕巴黎的那条路），那最好得求上帝保佑）
Oh shit, I remember the Periph, it was so horrible that I felt home.
（回，意）哎呀，我记得外环公路，那路况太糟糕了，都会让我感觉回到了祖国。
（回，意）哎呀，我记得外环公路，那路况太糟糕了，都会让我感觉回到了祖国。
Italy by train is a brave choice
（回，意）坐火车游意大利是个勇敢的选择
（回，意）坐火车游意大利是个勇敢的选择
I'm from Northern Spain. Honestly, it cannot get any worse than that.
（回，西）我来自西班牙北部。老实说，再烂也不可能比我这里的火车更烂了。
（回，西）我来自西班牙北部。老实说，再烂也不可能比我这里的火车更烂了。
I've been in Northern Spain by train, trust me: it can get considerably worse. A few years ago I was in a train station near Naples and I saw the following notice in the ticket office: "ATTENTION! Today the trains are actually working".
（回，意）我搭乘火车去过西班牙北部，相信我：意大利的火车还是更烂一些的。若干年前，当时我在那不勒斯附近的一个火车站里，我在售票处看到了如下的告示：“注意了！今天的列车是真的能开动”。
（回，意）我搭乘火车去过西班牙北部，相信我：意大利的火车还是更烂一些的。若干年前，当时我在那不勒斯附近的一个火车站里，我在售票处看到了如下的告示：“注意了！今天的列车是真的能开动”。
Tballz9
Most think we don't technically have a capitol, but grudgingly accept that Bern wins the honor as they have a lot of the infrastructure in place.
（瑞士）大部分人会觉得在严格意义上说我们没有首都，但还是会勉强接受让伯尔尼赢得这一殊荣，因为他们的很多基础设施都很到位。
Most think we don't technically have a capitol, but grudgingly accept that Bern wins the honor as they have a lot of the infrastructure in place.
（瑞士）大部分人会觉得在严格意义上说我们没有首都，但还是会勉强接受让伯尔尼赢得这一殊荣，因为他们的很多基础设施都很到位。
Zürich and Genève get much more attention.
（回，瑞士）苏黎世和日内瓦受到的关注要多得多。
（回，瑞士）苏黎世和日内瓦受到的关注要多得多。
There is a more important thing anyway: Nobody likes Zürich.
（回，瑞士）反正有一件事更为重要：没人喜欢苏黎世。
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（回，瑞士）反正有一件事更为重要：没人喜欢苏黎世。
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InformerFiDead
Berlin has the common reputation of being the least German city in Germany. I would agree. The people are very different there to the rest of Germany, even I (as a Westener) feel a foreigner there. People are also quite rude as part of their dialect and culture, which I find weird.
（德）柏林作为最没有德国味道的德国城市，也是声名在外的。我是同意的。柏林人和德国其他地区的人非常不一样，就连我这个西方人，在柏林都会觉得自己是个外国人。那里的人也相当粗鲁，而这是他们方言和文化的一部分，我觉得这一点挺怪的。
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Berlin has the common reputation of being the least German city in Germany. I would agree. The people are very different there to the rest of Germany, even I (as a Westener) feel a foreigner there. People are also quite rude as part of their dialect and culture, which I find weird.
（德）柏林作为最没有德国味道的德国城市，也是声名在外的。我是同意的。柏林人和德国其他地区的人非常不一样，就连我这个西方人，在柏林都会觉得自己是个外国人。那里的人也相当粗鲁，而这是他们方言和文化的一部分，我觉得这一点挺怪的。
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It has some cool bits for sure but if you want to see true German culture I'd advice any city besides Berlin
它确实有一些很酷的部分，但如果你想看真正的德国文化，我会建议你去除柏林以外的任何一座城市。
它确实有一些很酷的部分，但如果你想看真正的德国文化，我会建议你去除柏林以外的任何一座城市。
When I went there I felt that too. All my friends loved it and were really hyped to be there and explore the city. I have to admit there are lots of cool places. However I went to Munich many times and I think it is much better. Berlin felt too big with very few locals, most bars and restaurants looked a bit dirty and trashy. Munich instead felt much nicer and friendlier, clean and fun. I think it is a great city.
（意）我造访那里时，也有同样的感觉。我所有的朋友都很喜欢柏林，而且能去那里探索这座城市，他们心里是特别兴奋的。我不得不承认，柏林有很多酷炫的所在。不过，慕尼黑我也去过好几次，我觉得那里远比柏林好。感觉柏林太大了，当地人的数量非常少，大部分酒吧和餐馆看上去都有点脏兮兮的，还有点低劣。而慕尼黑正相反，感觉上漂亮得多，也更友好，整洁又好玩。我觉得这是一座伟大的城市。
（意）我造访那里时，也有同样的感觉。我所有的朋友都很喜欢柏林，而且能去那里探索这座城市，他们心里是特别兴奋的。我不得不承认，柏林有很多酷炫的所在。不过，慕尼黑我也去过好几次，我觉得那里远比柏林好。感觉柏林太大了，当地人的数量非常少，大部分酒吧和餐馆看上去都有点脏兮兮的，还有点低劣。而慕尼黑正相反，感觉上漂亮得多，也更友好，整洁又好玩。我觉得这是一座伟大的城市。
I enjoyed Berlin because of the Cold War history. The East-West divide is still visible in many parts of it and gives the city a unique feel.
（美国俄裔）我很喜欢柏林，因为冷战的历史。在柏林的很多地方，仍然能看到东西德分裂的痕迹，这就赋予了这座城市一种独一无二的观感。
（美国俄裔）我很喜欢柏林，因为冷战的历史。在柏林的很多地方，仍然能看到东西德分裂的痕迹，这就赋予了这座城市一种独一无二的观感。
When i went to Berlin during a school trip, our German guide told us the same. She said "you saw Berlin. Next time go to a real german city". But i have no clue on what real Germany is...
（意）我在学校组织的一次旅行中造访过柏林，我们的德国导游也跟我们说了同样的话。她说，“你们见识过柏林了。下次来的时候挑一个真正的德国城市吧。”但真正的德国是什么样的，我是毫无头绪…
（意）我在学校组织的一次旅行中造访过柏林，我们的德国导游也跟我们说了同样的话。她说，“你们见识过柏林了。下次来的时候挑一个真正的德国城市吧。”但真正的德国是什么样的，我是毫无头绪…
I guess like italy, germany is culturally divided. Hamburg Berlin cologne munich Stuttgart Dresden etc have very different feelings. The ones in the north have this Seemann feeling. Munich is the stereotypically bavarian, the world knows probably because the americans were stationed there. The west is dominated by the river rhine and is called the Rhineland. Its a bit french dutch italian influenced I guess. South west they grow wine and its definitely french suisse influenced. They are also very rich. The east is saxony and still feels the pain of the russian annexation but historically many of these famous german geniuses are from the east. And they are catching up fast because they are industrious and smart but it takes some time.
（回）我猜，德国很像意大利，在文化上是四分五裂的。汉堡、柏林、科隆、慕尼黑、斯图加特、德累斯顿等给人的感觉都是很不同的。那些北方城市自带一种水手的感觉，慕尼黑就是刻板印象中的巴伐利亚味道，这个全世界都知道，可能是因为美国人在那里驻扎过。西部则被莱茵河支配，被称为莱茵兰（即莱茵地区）。我感觉那里受到了一些来自法国人、荷兰人和意大利人的影响。西南部是他们种葡萄酿酒的地方，绝对受到了法国人和瑞士人的影响。他们也很有钱。东部是萨克森州，仍能感觉到被俄罗斯吞并遗留下来的阵痛，但从历史上看，大量闻名于世的德国天才都出身于东部。而且他们现在正在奋起直追，因为他们勤奋又聪明，但这需要一些时间。
（回）我猜，德国很像意大利，在文化上是四分五裂的。汉堡、柏林、科隆、慕尼黑、斯图加特、德累斯顿等给人的感觉都是很不同的。那些北方城市自带一种水手的感觉，慕尼黑就是刻板印象中的巴伐利亚味道，这个全世界都知道，可能是因为美国人在那里驻扎过。西部则被莱茵河支配，被称为莱茵兰（即莱茵地区）。我感觉那里受到了一些来自法国人、荷兰人和意大利人的影响。西南部是他们种葡萄酿酒的地方，绝对受到了法国人和瑞士人的影响。他们也很有钱。东部是萨克森州，仍能感觉到被俄罗斯吞并遗留下来的阵痛，但从历史上看，大量闻名于世的德国天才都出身于东部。而且他们现在正在奋起直追，因为他们勤奋又聪明，但这需要一些时间。
They all are typical german but there is no really typical german. Every part of the country is very unique in its own way and it took them centuries of war against each other and a devastating loss against napoleon to finally unite under one flag.
他们全都是很典型的德国人，但其实并不存在真正典型的德国人。这个国家的每一个部分都自有其独特之处，他们花了几百年互相攻伐，还在对阵拿破仑时遭受了一场毁灭性的失败，这才最终统一在了一面旗帜下。
他们全都是很典型的德国人，但其实并不存在真正典型的德国人。这个国家的每一个部分都自有其独特之处，他们花了几百年互相攻伐，还在对阵拿破仑时遭受了一场毁灭性的失败，这才最终统一在了一面旗帜下。
Most Germans do not live in a city with more than 100.000 people.
（回，德）大部分德国人都生活在人口不超过10万的小城里。
（回，德）大部分德国人都生活在人口不超过10万的小城里。
zebett
There was a sentence written by a Portuguese writer that said "Portugal é Lisboa e o resto é paisagem" this means "Portugal is Lisbon and the rest it's just landscape" everyone thinks people from Lisbon think this way and I just want to say that... We do Hahah.
（葡）有一位葡萄牙作家留下过这么一句话，"Portugal é Lisboa e o resto é paisagem" ，意为“葡萄牙就是里斯本，里斯本以外的地方不过是些风景而已”。所有人都认为里斯本人就是这样想的，而我只想说…我们确实是这样想的哈哈。
There was a sentence written by a Portuguese writer that said "Portugal é Lisboa e o resto é paisagem" this means "Portugal is Lisbon and the rest it's just landscape" everyone thinks people from Lisbon think this way and I just want to say that... We do Hahah.
（葡）有一位葡萄牙作家留下过这么一句话，"Portugal é Lisboa e o resto é paisagem" ，意为“葡萄牙就是里斯本，里斯本以外的地方不过是些风景而已”。所有人都认为里斯本人就是这样想的，而我只想说…我们确实是这样想的哈哈。
SpaghettoM35mod46
Russians generally don't like people from Moscow too much, especially people from St. Petersburg in my experience. There's a bit of a capital-city rivalry there.
（俄）总的来说，俄罗斯人是不太喜欢莫斯科人的，以我的经验，圣彼得堡人尤其讨厌莫斯科人。这两个城市在谁是首都的问题上存在一些较劲。
Russians generally don't like people from Moscow too much, especially people from St. Petersburg in my experience. There's a bit of a capital-city rivalry there.
（俄）总的来说，俄罗斯人是不太喜欢莫斯科人的，以我的经验，圣彼得堡人尤其讨厌莫斯科人。这两个城市在谁是首都的问题上存在一些较劲。
Muscovites are seen as career/money-focused and not too interested in cultural things. Also we're seen as arrogant. And Moscow is seen as a pretty big hub of illegal/foreign workers "гастарбайтеры."
人们会认为莫斯科人一心扑在事业和钱上了，对文化类的东西不太感兴趣。我们也会被认为是傲慢的人。而且人们会把莫斯科看成一个相当大的非法/外国劳工（“移民工”）集散中心。
人们会认为莫斯科人一心扑在事业和钱上了，对文化类的东西不太感兴趣。我们也会被认为是傲慢的人。而且人们会把莫斯科看成一个相当大的非法/外国劳工（“移民工”）集散中心。
A lot of Muscovites think Russia revolves around them, and to be frank the national budget allocation (unfortunately) backs that up
很多莫斯科人认为俄罗斯是围着他们转的，坦率地说，国家预算分配（很不幸）支持了这一观点
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很多莫斯科人认为俄罗斯是围着他们转的，坦率地说，国家预算分配（很不幸）支持了这一观点
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fiddz0r
I always think people from Stockholm are like americans. They always assume everyone is from there and they also assume everyone knows every street in Stockholm.
（瑞典）我一直都觉得斯德哥尔摩的人很像美国人。他们总是会认定每个人都是斯德哥尔摩人，还会认定每个人都认识斯德哥尔摩的每一条街。
I always think people from Stockholm are like americans. They always assume everyone is from there and they also assume everyone knows every street in Stockholm.
（瑞典）我一直都觉得斯德哥尔摩的人很像美国人。他们总是会认定每个人都是斯德哥尔摩人，还会认定每个人都认识斯德哥尔摩的每一条街。
MuttWit
We provincial country folk don't trust those city folk in their London mansions eating their couscous, reading their giant newspapers and travelling around on their trains which delve into the bowels of the earth.
（诺森伯兰郡）我们这些乡下人可不信任那些城里人，他们会在伦敦的宅邸里吃着蒸粗麦粉，读着他们那些张页巨大的报纸，然后坐着他们那些深入地底的火车四处环游。
We provincial country folk don't trust those city folk in their London mansions eating their couscous, reading their giant newspapers and travelling around on their trains which delve into the bowels of the earth.
（诺森伯兰郡）我们这些乡下人可不信任那些城里人，他们会在伦敦的宅邸里吃着蒸粗麦粉，读着他们那些张页巨大的报纸，然后坐着他们那些深入地底的火车四处环游。
AThousandD
I don't know what people of my country think about me, but I know a lot of people from outside of Warsaw see it as a snobby, overpriced place, whose inhabitants invade the seaside in the summer and behave like mouth-breathers.
我不晓得我国人民是如何看待我的，但我晓得有很多华沙以外的人，会把华沙看成一个势利而且特别昂贵的地方，而华沙的居民会在夏季入侵到海边，然后表现得像个蠢蛋。
I don't know what people of my country think about me, but I know a lot of people from outside of Warsaw see it as a snobby, overpriced place, whose inhabitants invade the seaside in the summer and behave like mouth-breathers.
我不晓得我国人民是如何看待我的，但我晓得有很多华沙以外的人，会把华沙看成一个势利而且特别昂贵的地方，而华沙的居民会在夏季入侵到海边，然后表现得像个蠢蛋。
LuckyLoki08
Generally, people from Milan see Rome as some sort of burocratic hell where nothing really works, public transport is unreliable, building an underground is impossible because works are stopped every two days due to archaeological findings ( but don't you dare ask us milanese about our Metro 4) and local administration is a nightmare because of the decades of accumulated corruption and mismanagement, all while we perceive Milan as the city where stuff actually works and that look at the future and at the rest of Europe.
通常，来自米兰的人会认为罗马是某种官僚主义盛行的地狱，在那里就没有什么是能正常运转的，公共交通不可靠，建造地铁也是不可能的，因为这样的工程，每两天就会因为考古发现而停下来（不过谅你也不敢来问我们米兰人我们那条地铁4号线的事情），由于几十年来积累的腐败和管理不善，当地的行政管理简直就是一场噩梦，与此同时，我们会把米兰看成一个真正能良好运转的城市，能够着眼于未来和欧洲其他地区。
Generally, people from Milan see Rome as some sort of burocratic hell where nothing really works, public transport is unreliable, building an underground is impossible because works are stopped every two days due to archaeological findings ( but don't you dare ask us milanese about our Metro 4) and local administration is a nightmare because of the decades of accumulated corruption and mismanagement, all while we perceive Milan as the city where stuff actually works and that look at the future and at the rest of Europe.
通常，来自米兰的人会认为罗马是某种官僚主义盛行的地狱，在那里就没有什么是能正常运转的，公共交通不可靠，建造地铁也是不可能的，因为这样的工程，每两天就会因为考古发现而停下来（不过谅你也不敢来问我们米兰人我们那条地铁4号线的事情），由于几十年来积累的腐败和管理不善，当地的行政管理简直就是一场噩梦，与此同时，我们会把米兰看成一个真正能良好运转的城市，能够着眼于未来和欧洲其他地区。
In my limited experience I didn't found Rome that much disorganised but the part that wasn't center did seem dirtier.
在我有限的经验中，我并没有发现罗马有多么混乱无序，不过非中心的地区看起来确实更脏。
在我有限的经验中，我并没有发现罗马有多么混乱无序，不过非中心的地区看起来确实更脏。
Overall I'd say that Milan has a more European feeling (especially se compared to other big European capitals) while Rome has more of an historical and regional feeling (and is definitely more monumental)
整体而言，我觉得米兰的欧洲味道更重（特别是和其他欧洲大国的首都相比），而罗马的历史味道和地方色彩更重（而且绝对是更加宏伟的）。
整体而言，我觉得米兰的欧洲味道更重（特别是和其他欧洲大国的首都相比），而罗马的历史味道和地方色彩更重（而且绝对是更加宏伟的）。
Everything you said is true, and at the same time it's so fucking beautiful. Source: I'm from Rome.
（回）你说的都对，不过罗马太TM美了。我知道因为我是罗马人。
（回）你说的都对，不过罗马太TM美了。我知道因为我是罗马人。
I second all of the above, and at the same time I wouldn't live anywhere else.
Source: from Rome too.
（回）你们说的我都同意，不过，我是不会住在其他任何城市的。我知道，因为我也是罗马人。
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Source: from Rome too.
（回）你们说的我都同意，不过，我是不会住在其他任何城市的。我知道，因为我也是罗马人。
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Agreed, Milan is losing some of its historical character to become more European and world-wide, while Rome feels more like that sweet older aunt who thinks gays shouldn't marry: you are affectionate to it but it has its drawbacks.
（回复）同意，米兰为了把自己变得更欧洲化、更国际化，正在失去其历史上的特点，与此同时，感觉上罗马更像是那种很亲切同时觉得基佬不应该结婚的老姑：它会成为你的挚爱，但也自有其缺点。
（回复）同意，米兰为了把自己变得更欧洲化、更国际化，正在失去其历史上的特点，与此同时，感觉上罗马更像是那种很亲切同时觉得基佬不应该结婚的老姑：它会成为你的挚爱，但也自有其缺点。
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The best way I have heard someone describe Berlin and its relation to the rest of the country:
"Berlin is like a giant UFO that has landed on top of Germany."
（德）在我听过的描述柏林及其和德国其他地区关系的言论中，最妙的就是这句了：
“柏林就像一艘巨大的UFO，降落在了德国之巅。”
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The best way I have heard someone describe Berlin and its relation to the rest of the country:
"Berlin is like a giant UFO that has landed on top of Germany."
（德）在我听过的描述柏林及其和德国其他地区关系的言论中，最妙的就是这句了：
“柏林就像一艘巨大的UFO，降落在了德国之巅。”
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