欧盟圈讨论：好莱坞对各国的刻画和各国自己的电影有何不同？
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I just watched 'Lo Chiamono Jeeg Robot' and 'Radio Freccia.' Yeah, that definitely doesn't look like the Hollywood version of Italy.
我刚看完《他们叫我吉克》（2015，意）和《箭头电台》（1998，意）。是的，它们和好莱坞影片中的意大利一点都不像。
I just watched 'Lo Chiamono Jeeg Robot' and 'Radio Freccia.' Yeah, that definitely doesn't look like the Hollywood version of Italy.
我刚看完《他们叫我吉克》（2015，意）和《箭头电台》（1998，意）。是的，它们和好莱坞影片中的意大利一点都不像。
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IRoadIRunner
We are either Nazis or Bavarians, sometimes also bavarian Nazis.
（德）我们要么是纳粹，要么就是巴伐利亚人，有时候也会出现巴伐利亚纳粹。
We are either Nazis or Bavarians, sometimes also bavarian Nazis.
（德）我们要么是纳粹，要么就是巴伐利亚人，有时候也会出现巴伐利亚纳粹。
Except for the first Averngers movie. Apparently Stuttgart looks like 1920s New York.
（回，德）《复仇者联盟》系列的第一部电影除外。显然，其中的斯图加特看上去就像20年代的纽约。
（回，德）《复仇者联盟》系列的第一部电影除外。显然，其中的斯图加特看上去就像20年代的纽约。
Later MCU media are usually ok in this regards, it only seems like American characters have Germany (and other European countries) as their playgrounds, see Falcon and the Winter soldier.
（回，德）后期的漫威电影宇宙在这方面通常都做得不错，只是美国角色似乎是把德国（以及其他欧洲国家）当成了自己的游乐场，瞧瞧猎鹰和冬兵就知道了。
（回，德）后期的漫威电影宇宙在这方面通常都做得不错，只是美国角色似乎是把德国（以及其他欧洲国家）当成了自己的游乐场，瞧瞧猎鹰和冬兵就知道了。
I've heard that most of America's influential filmmakers and studios are Jewish ones. So, It would be quite difficult for them to describe Germany in a positive way. Conversely, France always seems to be exaggerated as a magical and romantic place. lol
（回）我听说，美国大部分有影响力的电影制作人都是犹太人。所以想让他们正面描写德国就很困难了。而法国的情况恰恰相反，该国似乎总是被夸大成一个神奇而浪漫的国度。呵呵
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（回）我听说，美国大部分有影响力的电影制作人都是犹太人。所以想让他们正面描写德国就很困难了。而法国的情况恰恰相反，该国似乎总是被夸大成一个神奇而浪漫的国度。呵呵
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Wokati
I can't see the Eiffel Tower from my window, and there is no castle with vineyard either... not sure if I'm really in France.
我从自家窗户里是看不见埃菲尔铁塔的，而且拥有葡萄园的城堡也是根本不存在的…我都不确定我是不是真的在法国了。
I can't see the Eiffel Tower from my window, and there is no castle with vineyard either... not sure if I'm really in France.
我从自家窗户里是看不见埃菲尔铁塔的，而且拥有葡萄园的城堡也是根本不存在的…我都不确定我是不是真的在法国了。
I watch French (commercial French) and Hollywood films regularly. Once difference is the Hollywood depiction of French culture involves things that foreigners know are obviously French. So Eiffel Tower, Edith Piaf. But French films would use more subtle references like scenes involving Place de la concorde, or a bistro drinking apero, the Paris metro.
And another thing is the Hollywood rendering will try very hard to tell the audience that it is Paris, France, and will produce a touristic/abstract view of Paris, while the French film's depiction comes out in a much more natural, subtle way.
（回，新西兰）我经常看法国商业片和好莱坞片。它们有一点不同，好莱坞电影在描绘法国文化时会纳入那些外国人都知道的明显属于法国的事物。所以会出现埃菲尔铁塔，伊迪丝·琵雅芙（的歌）。但法国电影会提及的是更为微妙的事物，比如涉及协和广场、喝开胃酒的小酒馆、巴黎地铁的场景。
还有一点，好莱坞会非常用力地去渲染，为的就是告诉观众这里是法国巴黎，而且会创造出一个观光客/抽象视角中的巴黎，而法国电影在描绘时，呈现方式会自然得多，也微妙得多。
（译注：伊迪丝·琵雅芙（Edith Piaf，1915-1963），法国最著名也最受爱戴的女歌手之一）
And another thing is the Hollywood rendering will try very hard to tell the audience that it is Paris, France, and will produce a touristic/abstract view of Paris, while the French film's depiction comes out in a much more natural, subtle way.
（回，新西兰）我经常看法国商业片和好莱坞片。它们有一点不同，好莱坞电影在描绘法国文化时会纳入那些外国人都知道的明显属于法国的事物。所以会出现埃菲尔铁塔，伊迪丝·琵雅芙（的歌）。但法国电影会提及的是更为微妙的事物，比如涉及协和广场、喝开胃酒的小酒馆、巴黎地铁的场景。
还有一点，好莱坞会非常用力地去渲染，为的就是告诉观众这里是法国巴黎，而且会创造出一个观光客/抽象视角中的巴黎，而法国电影在描绘时，呈现方式会自然得多，也微妙得多。
（译注：伊迪丝·琵雅芙（Edith Piaf，1915-1963），法国最著名也最受爱戴的女歌手之一）
I think that the distance between france in hollywood films and france in french film is high, but less than for others.
For example, for us, they portray us as a third world country. The germans, all nazis. The americans instead have a positive view of you, so hollywood films on france are still a big touristic lie, but at least in positive
（回，意）我觉得好莱坞电影中的法国和法国电影中的法国差距是很大的，但并不如其他国家那么大。
比如说以我们意大利为例，他们会把我们描绘成一个第三世界国家。把德国人都描绘成纳粹。可你们不同，美国人对你们的观感是正面的，所以好莱坞电影对法国的描绘仍然是一个巨大的旅游谎言，但至少是正面的。
For example, for us, they portray us as a third world country. The germans, all nazis. The americans instead have a positive view of you, so hollywood films on france are still a big touristic lie, but at least in positive
（回，意）我觉得好莱坞电影中的法国和法国电影中的法国差距是很大的，但并不如其他国家那么大。
比如说以我们意大利为例，他们会把我们描绘成一个第三世界国家。把德国人都描绘成纳粹。可你们不同，美国人对你们的观感是正面的，所以好莱坞电影对法国的描绘仍然是一个巨大的旅游谎言，但至少是正面的。
We basically do you like we do the Irish. Just with more sunshine, less sheep, wine instead of whiskey, and people actually swimming in the sea.
In other words, a romantic postcard image frozen in time, a version that somebody's 95 year old immigrant grandmother in Brooklyn or Boston might recognize from their childhoods.
（回，旅意美国人）基本上，我们对你们的刻画类似于我们对爱尔兰人的刻画。无非是阳光更多，绵羊更少，选用的是葡萄酒而不是威士忌，而且海里真的有人在游泳。
换句话说，是一张冻结了时间的浪漫明信片，这个版本的意大利，是住在布鲁克林或波士顿的95岁奶奶级意大利移民在她的童年中能认出的那个意大利。
In other words, a romantic postcard image frozen in time, a version that somebody's 95 year old immigrant grandmother in Brooklyn or Boston might recognize from their childhoods.
（回，旅意美国人）基本上，我们对你们的刻画类似于我们对爱尔兰人的刻画。无非是阳光更多，绵羊更少，选用的是葡萄酒而不是威士忌，而且海里真的有人在游泳。
换句话说，是一张冻结了时间的浪漫明信片，这个版本的意大利，是住在布鲁克林或波士顿的95岁奶奶级意大利移民在她的童年中能认出的那个意大利。
SkyWalkerSrb
Serbian guy = bad guy. Eastern European gangster with a heavy non-authentic Russian accent.
塞尔维亚人等于恶人。东欧黑帮，一口浓重但不太正宗的俄国口音。
Serbian guy = bad guy. Eastern European gangster with a heavy non-authentic Russian accent.
塞尔维亚人等于恶人。东欧黑帮，一口浓重但不太正宗的俄国口音。
a_seoulite_man
It's not much better for Asians too. As South Korean, Many of the Korean characters I've seen in Hollywood movies and TV series are played by Chinese-Americans/Southeast Asian-Americans, and they often don't even speak a single of Korean word. Lol
亚裔的情况也没好到哪里去。我是韩国人，我在好莱坞电影和电视剧中见到的很多韩国角色都是由美国的华裔或东南亚裔饰演的，通常情况下，他们连一个韩语词都不会说呵呵。
It's not much better for Asians too. As South Korean, Many of the Korean characters I've seen in Hollywood movies and TV series are played by Chinese-Americans/Southeast Asian-Americans, and they often don't even speak a single of Korean word. Lol
亚裔的情况也没好到哪里去。我是韩国人，我在好莱坞电影和电视剧中见到的很多韩国角色都是由美国的华裔或东南亚裔饰演的，通常情况下，他们连一个韩语词都不会说呵呵。
Jaszs
Mexicans, like literally. We even speak in latin American. Either that of like a mixture of all stereotypes, cool, cute, strong, that dances sevillanas and for some reason does bullfighting
（西班牙）我们被刻画成了墨西哥人，一点没夸张。我们甚至会用拉美语言交谈。要不就是所有刻板印象的混合体，很酷，很可爱，很强壮，跳着塞维利亚纳斯舞，而且出于某些原因会去斗牛。
Mexicans, like literally. We even speak in latin American. Either that of like a mixture of all stereotypes, cool, cute, strong, that dances sevillanas and for some reason does bullfighting
（西班牙）我们被刻画成了墨西哥人，一点没夸张。我们甚至会用拉美语言交谈。要不就是所有刻板印象的混合体，很酷，很可爱，很强壮，跳着塞维利亚纳斯舞，而且出于某些原因会去斗牛。
Well you are considered people of color there. Hehe.
（回，斯洛伐克）在好莱坞电影里你们被看成了有色人种呵呵
（回，斯洛伐克）在好莱坞电影里你们被看成了有色人种呵呵
a_reasonable_thought
Hollywood: Terrorists or backwards people still apparently living in the 1800s.
Irish film industry: irish mythology, pedo priests and drug dealing scrotes.
（爱尔兰）好莱坞：恐怖分子，或是那种明显还活在十九世纪的后进族群。
爱尔兰电影工业：爱尔兰神话，娈童的神父和贩毒的废柴。
Hollywood: Terrorists or backwards people still apparently living in the 1800s.
Irish film industry: irish mythology, pedo priests and drug dealing scrotes.
（爱尔兰）好莱坞：恐怖分子，或是那种明显还活在十九世纪的后进族群。
爱尔兰电影工业：爱尔兰神话，娈童的神父和贩毒的废柴。
Captain_Grammaticus
Hollywood's Swiss people look like this: Smug Genevan bankier guy handling money for "businessmen".
Or: Skiing, yodeling fondue-person that for some reason wears a Tyrolean costume.
For some reason, Zurich in movies looks like Prague...
In our own films, we are reckless business people, mediocre people solving mysterious murder cases
（瑞士）好莱坞电影里的瑞士人看上去是这样的：自命不凡的日内瓦银行家，为“商人们”打理钱财。
或者：滑着雪，唱着约德尔小调，吃着奶酪火锅的人，也不知道为什么穿上了蒂罗尔人的服饰。
不知道为什么，很多电影中的苏黎世看起来像布拉格...
在我们自己的电影中，我们是不计后果的商人，是破解神秘谋杀案的平庸之辈。
Hollywood's Swiss people look like this: Smug Genevan bankier guy handling money for "businessmen".
Or: Skiing, yodeling fondue-person that for some reason wears a Tyrolean costume.
For some reason, Zurich in movies looks like Prague...
In our own films, we are reckless business people, mediocre people solving mysterious murder cases
（瑞士）好莱坞电影里的瑞士人看上去是这样的：自命不凡的日内瓦银行家，为“商人们”打理钱财。
或者：滑着雪，唱着约德尔小调，吃着奶酪火锅的人，也不知道为什么穿上了蒂罗尔人的服饰。
不知道为什么，很多电影中的苏黎世看起来像布拉格...
在我们自己的电影中，我们是不计后果的商人，是破解神秘谋杀案的平庸之辈。
（图为蒂罗尔人的服饰）
WinterPlanet
They often portray us with salsa music or Mexican music, and a Spanish accent, of ocurse.
（巴西）他们刻画出来的我们会配有萨尔萨舞曲或墨西哥音乐，当然了，还有西班牙语口音。
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They often portray us with salsa music or Mexican music, and a Spanish accent, of ocurse.
（巴西）他们刻画出来的我们会配有萨尔萨舞曲或墨西哥音乐，当然了，还有西班牙语口音。
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Morozow
It's winter all the time, where bandits, the KGB and their victims, who don't look much like people, roam.
The funny thing is that modern Russian cinema, in many ways, portrays Russia in the same way. Well, the only thing is that Russian directors know that we have not only winter, but also a hot summer.
（俄）一直是冬天，会有土匪、克格勃和他们的受害者，还有些看起来不怎么像人的生物在游荡。
有趣的是，现代俄罗斯电影在很多方面都在用同样的手法描绘俄罗斯。好吧，唯一的不同在于，俄罗斯导演知道我们不仅有冬天，还有炎热的夏天。
It's winter all the time, where bandits, the KGB and their victims, who don't look much like people, roam.
The funny thing is that modern Russian cinema, in many ways, portrays Russia in the same way. Well, the only thing is that Russian directors know that we have not only winter, but also a hot summer.
（俄）一直是冬天，会有土匪、克格勃和他们的受害者，还有些看起来不怎么像人的生物在游荡。
有趣的是，现代俄罗斯电影在很多方面都在用同样的手法描绘俄罗斯。好吧，唯一的不同在于，俄罗斯导演知道我们不仅有冬天，还有炎热的夏天。
LyannaTarg
You forget the worst part:
In most of the movies, you see Italians as "mafiosi" and generally from the south.
The only movie recently that used Italian people to play Italian mobs was John Wick 2 (I think it was 2). And it was so refreshing seeing it.
There is so much more in Italy than this.
（意）你们忘记了最糟糕的部分：
在大部分好莱坞电影中，你会发现其中的意大利人是“黑手党”，而且一般都来自南方。
最近唯一一部用意大利人来饰演意大利暴徒的电影是《疾速追杀2》（我记得是2）。看到这个让我耳目一新。
意大利有的东西多了，远不止于此。
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You forget the worst part:
In most of the movies, you see Italians as "mafiosi" and generally from the south.
The only movie recently that used Italian people to play Italian mobs was John Wick 2 (I think it was 2). And it was so refreshing seeing it.
There is so much more in Italy than this.
（意）你们忘记了最糟糕的部分：
在大部分好莱坞电影中，你会发现其中的意大利人是“黑手党”，而且一般都来自南方。
最近唯一一部用意大利人来饰演意大利暴徒的电影是《疾速追杀2》（我记得是2）。看到这个让我耳目一新。
意大利有的东西多了，远不止于此。
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Right, how could I forget the romanticized mafia where they're bad guys but deep down they have strong morals.
I also remember on the TV show Hannibal they used an Italian actor when they were in Firenze, it really makes the difference.
（回，意）对，我怎么会忘记那些被浪漫化的黑手党，他们是坏人，但内心深处有着强烈的道德感。
我还记得在美剧《汉尼拔》中，他们在佛罗伦萨时，起用了一个意大利演员，这个选择真的带来了巨大的不同。
I also remember on the TV show Hannibal they used an Italian actor when they were in Firenze, it really makes the difference.
（回，意）对，我怎么会忘记那些被浪漫化的黑手党，他们是坏人，但内心深处有着强烈的道德感。
我还记得在美剧《汉尼拔》中，他们在佛罗伦萨时，起用了一个意大利演员，这个选择真的带来了巨大的不同。
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