人造鱼：素食替代品将席卷英国市场
正文翻译
(Interest in faux fish is booming amid concerns about overfishing.)
（由于担心过度捕捞，人们对人造鱼的兴趣日益高涨。）
新闻：
Faux fish: vegan alternatives set to take UK market by storm
-Alt-seafood scene is ‘hot’ as booming sales of vegan food draw investment in research and development
人造鱼：素食替代品将席卷英国市场
——由于素食食品的热销吸引了研发方面的投资，替代海鲜市场“火爆”起来
-Alt-seafood scene is ‘hot’ as booming sales of vegan food draw investment in research and development
人造鱼：素食替代品将席卷英国市场
——由于素食食品的热销吸引了研发方面的投资，替代海鲜市场“火爆”起来
(Interest in faux fish is booming amid concerns about overfishing.)
（由于担心过度捕捞，人们对人造鱼的兴趣日益高涨。）
新闻：
It is seafood but it does not involve fishing nets or the sea, with plant-based filet-o-fish burgers, smoked salmon and prawns the next big thing in alternative protein.
这属于海产品，但不涉及渔网或海洋，而是以植物为基础的麦香鱼汉堡、烟熏鲑鱼和对虾，是下一个替代蛋白质的大产品。
这属于海产品，但不涉及渔网或海洋，而是以植物为基础的麦香鱼汉堡、烟熏鲑鱼和对虾，是下一个替代蛋白质的大产品。
Dubbed faux fish, a raft of new products are going on sale as new manufacturing techniques produce lifelike prawns from peas and flaky fish fillets from jackfruit.
一系列被称为“人造鱼”的新产品即将上市，因为新的制造技术可以用豌豆制作出栩栩如生的虾，用菠萝蜜制作出鱼片。
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一系列被称为“人造鱼”的新产品即将上市，因为新的制造技术可以用豌豆制作出栩栩如生的虾，用菠萝蜜制作出鱼片。
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Analysts describe the alt-seafood scene as “hot”, as companies spurred on by booming sales of plant milks and meat substitutes pour investment into the area. The focus on fish alternatives has also increased due to heightened consumer concern about overfishing, which has been spurred on by the popular Netflix documentary Seaspiracy.
分析师用“火爆”来描述替代海鲜市场，因为植物奶和肉类替代品销售迅猛，推动了企业向该地区投资。受Netflix纪录片《海上海盗》的影响，消费者对过度捕捞的担忧加剧，导致对替代鱼类的关注也在增加。
分析师用“火爆”来描述替代海鲜市场，因为植物奶和肉类替代品销售迅猛，推动了企业向该地区投资。受Netflix纪录片《海上海盗》的影响，消费者对过度捕捞的担忧加剧，导致对替代鱼类的关注也在增加。
Tesco, which works with the American chef and self-proclaimed “plant pusher” Derek Sarno, is set to expand its plant-based range with a handful of new products including Thai-style fish cakes and New England-style crab cakes.
乐购与美国厨师、自称“植食推动者”的德里克·萨诺合作，将推出包括泰式鱼饼和新英格兰式蟹饼在内的一系列新产品，扩大其植物产品系列。
乐购与美国厨师、自称“植食推动者”的德里克·萨诺合作，将推出包括泰式鱼饼和新英格兰式蟹饼在内的一系列新产品，扩大其植物产品系列。
The Dutch brand Vegan Zeastar has thrown down the gauntlet with its ambition of “veganising every dish that involves fish to fight the destruction of our oceans”. Its latest product is smoked “Zalmon”, made from tapioca starch, that looks uncannily like the real thing and is due to go on sale early next year. Its Shrimpz and Kalamariz are stocked online including by Ocado.
荷兰品牌Vegan Zeastar雄心勃勃地向公众发起挑战，称要“为所有涉及鱼类的菜肴进行素食化，以对抗对海洋的破坏”。它的最新产品是用木薯淀粉制成的烟熏“扎尔蒙”，看起来与真品惊人地相似，将于明年年初上市。它的Shrimpz和Kalamariz在网上有库存，包括Ocado。
荷兰品牌Vegan Zeastar雄心勃勃地向公众发起挑战，称要“为所有涉及鱼类的菜肴进行素食化，以对抗对海洋的破坏”。它的最新产品是用木薯淀粉制成的烟熏“扎尔蒙”，看起来与真品惊人地相似，将于明年年初上市。它的Shrimpz和Kalamariz在网上有库存，包括Ocado。
The fact that the food industry is getting serious about the area was highlighted by this month’s launch of Vrimp by Nestlé. Made from seaweed and peas, they promise the “authentic texture and flavour of succulent shrimps”, with the lookalike created using special moulds with a fine seam on the body the only giveaway.
本月Nestlé网站推出的Vrimp突显了食品行业对该领域的重视。它们由海带和豌豆制成，承诺“口感和味道像多汁的虾”，唯一的美中不足是使用特殊模具制作，外表上有细缝。
本月Nestlé网站推出的Vrimp突显了食品行业对该领域的重视。它们由海带和豌豆制成，承诺“口感和味道像多汁的虾”，唯一的美中不足是使用特殊模具制作，外表上有细缝。
Nestlé, the world’s biggest food group, has 300 people working on plant-based foods. Mark Schneider, its chief executive, said there had been a “significant shift” towards plant-based eating across all age groups.
Nestlé是世界上最大的食品集团，有300名员工从事植物性食品的研究。该公司首席执行官马克·施耐德表示，在所有年龄组中，都出现了向植物性饮食的“重大转变”。
Nestlé是世界上最大的食品集团，有300名员工从事植物性食品的研究。该公司首席执行官马克·施耐德表示，在所有年龄组中，都出现了向植物性饮食的“重大转变”。
“This is not just a one season fad,” said Schneider. “This is something that has very solid, longer-term growth rates.” He said people were interested in plant-based foods for different reasons. “With fish it is more health-related, and with beef and chicken it is more about the environment,” he said.
“这不是只有一季的时尚，”施耐德说。“这是一种具有非常稳定的长期增长率的东西。”他说，人们对植物性食物感兴趣有不同的原因。他说：对鱼是因为更健康，对牛肉和鸡肉是因为更环保。”
“这不是只有一季的时尚，”施耐德说。“这是一种具有非常稳定的长期增长率的东西。”他说，人们对植物性食物感兴趣有不同的原因。他说：对鱼是因为更健康，对牛肉和鸡肉是因为更环保。”
For Britons trying to reduce their environmental footprint, eating plant-based food is becoming more palatable because alternatives to meat and dairy today are so good, according to Schneider. Ahead of the Cop26 climate summit, he said consumer behaviour was a “big part of the equation” because making choices that lowered their carbon footprint was “easier than trying to get the carbon out of the existing products we consume”.
施耐德表示，对于试图减少环境排放的英国人来说，食用植物性食品正变得越来越美味，因为如今肉类和奶制品的替代品非常好。在Cop26气候峰会之前，他表示，消费者行为是“平衡的重要组成部分”，因为做出降低碳排放的选择“比试图从我们消费的现有产品中去除碳更容易”。
施耐德表示，对于试图减少环境排放的英国人来说，食用植物性食品正变得越来越美味，因为如今肉类和奶制品的替代品非常好。在Cop26气候峰会之前，他表示，消费者行为是“平衡的重要组成部分”，因为做出降低碳排放的选择“比试图从我们消费的现有产品中去除碳更容易”。
To date, a lot more time and money has been devoted to creating plant-based burgers and nuggets because the markets are so much bigger for beef and chicken. Another factor is that restaurants make up a substantial share of fish and seafood sales. When eating out, taste and experience were more important, making it more difficult for alternatives to be on par, said Thijs Geijer, a senior economist at ING.
迄今为止，更多的时间和金钱被投入到制作植物性汉堡和鸡块上，因为牛肉和鸡肉的市场要大得多。另一个因素是，餐馆在鱼类和海鲜销售中占据了相当大的份额。荷兰国际集团的高级经济学家泰斯·盖杰说，外出就餐时，口味和体验更重要，这使得其他选择更难达到同等水平。
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迄今为止，更多的时间和金钱被投入到制作植物性汉堡和鸡块上，因为牛肉和鸡肉的市场要大得多。另一个因素是，餐馆在鱼类和海鲜销售中占据了相当大的份额。荷兰国际集团的高级经济学家泰斯·盖杰说，外出就餐时，口味和体验更重要，这使得其他选择更难达到同等水平。
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Geijer said the huge variety in taste and texture within fish meant companies had to “invent the wheel” for a large range of products, with some of them – mainly startups – focused on tuna, which is sold in vast quantities in supermarkets. Nonetheless the category was “hot”, he said.
盖杰表示，鱼的口味和质地千变百化，这意味着企业必须为大量产品“重新发明轮子”，其中一些企业（主要是初创企业）专注于金枪鱼，这种产品在超市里大量销售。他表示，尽管如此，这一类别还是很“火爆”。
盖杰表示，鱼的口味和质地千变百化，这意味着企业必须为大量产品“重新发明轮子”，其中一些企业（主要是初创企业）专注于金枪鱼，这种产品在超市里大量销售。他表示，尽管如此，这一类别还是很“火爆”。
Sarno, who co-founded Wicked Kitchen and Good Catch and now heads up plant-based innovation at Tesco, believes alt-seafood can taste just as good as the real thing. Lots of seafood items were blended, coated and either baked or fried and were “easily made plant-based with no compromise”, he said. Tesco’s newly stocked products, which include Quorn fishless fingers and a fish burger, would be keenly priced, he said, so would offer customers with “easy swaps”.
萨尔诺是Wicked Kitchen和Good Catch的联合创始人，现在是乐购植食创新的负责人。他认为替代海鲜的味道可以和真海鲜一样好。他说，很多海鲜都是混合、涂刷、烘焙或油炸的，而且“很容易毫无二致地制成植物性（替代）食品”。他说，乐购新上架的产品，包括Quorn无鱼棒和鱼汉堡，将以极低的价格出售，因此将为顾客提供“轻松的切换”。
萨尔诺是Wicked Kitchen和Good Catch的联合创始人，现在是乐购植食创新的负责人。他认为替代海鲜的味道可以和真海鲜一样好。他说，很多海鲜都是混合、涂刷、烘焙或油炸的，而且“很容易毫无二致地制成植物性（替代）食品”。他说，乐购新上架的产品，包括Quorn无鱼棒和鱼汉堡，将以极低的价格出售，因此将为顾客提供“轻松的切换”。
On Friday and Saturday the first Plant Based World Europe show was held in London. It was the first trade event of its kind in Europe and more than 100 companies were involved. Jennifer Pardoe, a member of the steering committee who is also the co-founder of Jack & Bry,which developed the fish burgers sold in the Lewis Hamilton-backed Neat Burger chain, said fish was an exciting area because consumption was unsustainable, with the issue brought home to young people this year by Seaspiracy.
周五和周六，第一届欧洲植食展在伦敦举行。这是欧洲首次举办此类贸易活动，有100多家公司参加。开发了在刘易斯·汉密尔顿支持的精致汉堡连锁店销售的鱼汉堡的指导委员会成员，同时也是Jack & Bry的联合创始人詹尼弗·帕多，称鱼是一个令人兴奋的领域，因为其消费是不可持续的，今年的《海上海盗》让年轻人认识到了这个问题。
周五和周六，第一届欧洲植食展在伦敦举行。这是欧洲首次举办此类贸易活动，有100多家公司参加。开发了在刘易斯·汉密尔顿支持的精致汉堡连锁店销售的鱼汉堡的指导委员会成员，同时也是Jack & Bry的联合创始人詹尼弗·帕多，称鱼是一个令人兴奋的领域，因为其消费是不可持续的，今年的《海上海盗》让年轻人认识到了这个问题。
For faux fish to really take off, Pardoe said it needed to make it on to menus in high-profile fast food chains and restaurants so consumers could try it first, that way paving the way for supermarket sales. Taste would win out, she said. “You have got to make sure the fish flavour tastes authentic, if there are any off notes, or it tastes fake, people will call it out.”
帕多表示，要想让人造鱼真正流行起来，就必须让它出现在知名快餐连锁店和餐馆的菜单上，这样消费者就可以首先尝试人造鱼，为后续的超市销售铺平道路。她说，品味会胜出。“你必须确保鱼的味道是正宗的，如果有任何异味，或者尝起来是假的，人们会指出来。”
帕多表示，要想让人造鱼真正流行起来，就必须让它出现在知名快餐连锁店和餐馆的菜单上，这样消费者就可以首先尝试人造鱼，为后续的超市销售铺平道路。她说，品味会胜出。“你必须确保鱼的味道是正宗的，如果有任何异味，或者尝起来是假的，人们会指出来。”
Faux fish of the day
Vrimp – a plant-based take on shrimp (or prawns depending where you live) is the latest high-profile offering from Nestlé. Made from seaweed, peas and konjac root and shaped using specialist moulds, it is being trialled in its native Switzerland first.
今天的人造鱼
Vrimp——一款以植物为基础的虾（或者对虾，取决于你住在哪里）是Nestlé最新推出的高调产品。它由海藻、豌豆和魔芋根制成，并使用专门的模具塑形，目前首先在其本土瑞士进行试验。
Vrimp – a plant-based take on shrimp (or prawns depending where you live) is the latest high-profile offering from Nestlé. Made from seaweed, peas and konjac root and shaped using specialist moulds, it is being trialled in its native Switzerland first.
今天的人造鱼
Vrimp——一款以植物为基础的虾（或者对虾，取决于你住在哪里）是Nestlé最新推出的高调产品。它由海藻、豌豆和魔芋根制成，并使用专门的模具塑形，目前首先在其本土瑞士进行试验。
Filet-no-Fish – The British brand Jack & Bry created the £8 filet-no-fish burger sold in the Lewis Hamilton-backed vegan chain Neat Burger. It mimics the taste of cod but is made of jackfruit marinated in seaweed.
无鱼鱼片——英国品牌Jack & Bry推出了售价8英镑的无鱼汉堡，在刘易斯·汉密尔顿支持的素食连锁店精致汉堡销售。它模仿鳕鱼的味道，但是是用菠萝蜜浸泡在海藻中制成的。
无鱼鱼片——英国品牌Jack & Bry推出了售价8英镑的无鱼汉堡，在刘易斯·汉密尔顿支持的素食连锁店精致汉堡销售。它模仿鳕鱼的味道，但是是用菠萝蜜浸泡在海藻中制成的。
Vuna – Tuna is another member of the “big five” most commonly eaten in the UK. Nestlé launched Vuna, made out of pea and wheat protein, last year but it is not yet on sale in the UK. You can buy “tuna-style flakes” from Good Catch, and canned tuna made by the brand unMEAT is coming too.
Vuna——金枪鱼是英国人最常吃的“五大鱼”中的另一种。Nestlé去年推出了由豌豆和小麦蛋白制成的Vuna，但目前还没有在英国销售。你可以从Good Catch买到“金枪鱼片”，还有unMEAT品牌的（无鱼）金枪鱼罐头也即将上市。
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Vuna——金枪鱼是英国人最常吃的“五大鱼”中的另一种。Nestlé去年推出了由豌豆和小麦蛋白制成的Vuna，但目前还没有在英国销售。你可以从Good Catch买到“金枪鱼片”，还有unMEAT品牌的（无鱼）金枪鱼罐头也即将上市。
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Smoked Zalmon – The Dutch brand Vegan Zeastar is set to add smoked Zalmon to a range that already includes Shrimpz, Kalamariz and Codd. This realistic-looking take on the upmarket treat is made from tapioca starch, flax and rapeseed oil and a “whole lot of plant-based love”.
熏制Zalmon——荷兰品牌Vegan Zeastar将在已经包括Shrimpz、Kalamariz和Codd的产品系列中加入熏制Zalmon。这种看起来很现实的高档料理由木薯淀粉、亚麻、菜籽油融入“大量植物性的爱”制成。
熏制Zalmon——荷兰品牌Vegan Zeastar将在已经包括Shrimpz、Kalamariz和Codd的产品系列中加入熏制Zalmon。这种看起来很现实的高档料理由木薯淀粉、亚麻、菜籽油融入“大量植物性的爱”制成。
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borg88Buckinghamshire
This opinion always seems to get downvoted for reasons I don't really understand, but I'll try again.
If you are vegan, with health or sustainability as any part of your motivation, you need to primarily eat fresh fruit and vegetables. Preferably locally grown and seasonal.
Yes, you will need a bit of care to ensure you aren't missing out on essential nutrients, and sure you might want to eat less healthy/sustainable stuff part of the time for variety.
But living off highly processed gunk is never good, and the fact that it might be vegan in origin doesn't really make it a whole lot better.
For as long as I can remember there has been a constant stream of exciting new processed foods that claim all sorts of benefits but ultimately mainly help manufacturers by allowing them to hide poor quality ingredients in products that have unreasonably long shelf lives. They always, eventually, turn out to be less healthy than we were told.
我要写的这个观点似乎总是因为我不太理解的原因而被踩，但我会再试一次。
如果你是纯素食主义者，以健康或可持续发展作为你的动力，那你需要主要吃新鲜水果和蔬菜。最好是本地种植和季节性的。
是的，你需要一点注意，确保你没有错过必要的营养，当然，你可能有部分时间会想要吃不那么健康/可持续的东西以获得各种营养。
但是，靠高度加工的糊糊生活从来都不是好事，而且这些糊糊可能是素食做的这一事实并没有让它变得更好。
在我的记忆中，不断有令人兴奋的新加工食品声称有各种各样的好处，但最终主要是帮助了制造商允许他们在产品中隐藏低质量的成分，这些成分的保质期长得不合理。最终，它们总是没有我们被告知的那么健康。
This opinion always seems to get downvoted for reasons I don't really understand, but I'll try again.
If you are vegan, with health or sustainability as any part of your motivation, you need to primarily eat fresh fruit and vegetables. Preferably locally grown and seasonal.
Yes, you will need a bit of care to ensure you aren't missing out on essential nutrients, and sure you might want to eat less healthy/sustainable stuff part of the time for variety.
But living off highly processed gunk is never good, and the fact that it might be vegan in origin doesn't really make it a whole lot better.
For as long as I can remember there has been a constant stream of exciting new processed foods that claim all sorts of benefits but ultimately mainly help manufacturers by allowing them to hide poor quality ingredients in products that have unreasonably long shelf lives. They always, eventually, turn out to be less healthy than we were told.
我要写的这个观点似乎总是因为我不太理解的原因而被踩，但我会再试一次。
如果你是纯素食主义者，以健康或可持续发展作为你的动力，那你需要主要吃新鲜水果和蔬菜。最好是本地种植和季节性的。
是的，你需要一点注意，确保你没有错过必要的营养，当然，你可能有部分时间会想要吃不那么健康/可持续的东西以获得各种营养。
但是，靠高度加工的糊糊生活从来都不是好事，而且这些糊糊可能是素食做的这一事实并没有让它变得更好。
在我的记忆中，不断有令人兴奋的新加工食品声称有各种各样的好处，但最终主要是帮助了制造商允许他们在产品中隐藏低质量的成分，这些成分的保质期长得不合理。最终，它们总是没有我们被告知的那么健康。
Utishanitri
You're probably getting downvoted because your argument is a strawman. The existence of vegan alternatives which mimic fish are not incompatible with a diet based mainly on healthy, whole foods.
Almost everybody, especially non-vegans, should be eating more fruit and veg, nobody's saying otherwise. But having things which while not strictly speaking healthy are still enjoyed as a treat isn't a bad thing.
I also disagree that people are holding up these vegan meat alternatives as healthy just because they're vegan. Processed food in general is worse than less processed food, I've never seen someone seriously argue otherwise. Now, processed vegan alternatives might be better than processed animal-based options, but they're both not great so it seems like a bit of a silly hill to die on in my opinion.
你可能是因为你的论点是“稻草人”论点而被踩的。模仿鱼类的素食替代品的存在与以健康、天然食物为主的饮食并不是水火不容的。
几乎所有人，尤其是非素食者，都应该多吃水果和蔬菜，没人说不应该。但是，拥有一些严格来说并不健康的东西，仍然被当作一种享受，这并不是一件坏事。
我也不赞同人们仅仅因为自己是素食主义者就认为这些素食肉类替代品是健康的。一般来说，加工食品比不加工的食品更糟糕，我从来没见过有人严肃地反对这一点。现在，加工素食替代品可能比加工动物替代品更好，但它们都不是很好，所以在我看来，钻这个牛角尖有点傻。
You're probably getting downvoted because your argument is a strawman. The existence of vegan alternatives which mimic fish are not incompatible with a diet based mainly on healthy, whole foods.
Almost everybody, especially non-vegans, should be eating more fruit and veg, nobody's saying otherwise. But having things which while not strictly speaking healthy are still enjoyed as a treat isn't a bad thing.
I also disagree that people are holding up these vegan meat alternatives as healthy just because they're vegan. Processed food in general is worse than less processed food, I've never seen someone seriously argue otherwise. Now, processed vegan alternatives might be better than processed animal-based options, but they're both not great so it seems like a bit of a silly hill to die on in my opinion.
你可能是因为你的论点是“稻草人”论点而被踩的。模仿鱼类的素食替代品的存在与以健康、天然食物为主的饮食并不是水火不容的。
几乎所有人，尤其是非素食者，都应该多吃水果和蔬菜，没人说不应该。但是，拥有一些严格来说并不健康的东西，仍然被当作一种享受，这并不是一件坏事。
我也不赞同人们仅仅因为自己是素食主义者就认为这些素食肉类替代品是健康的。一般来说，加工食品比不加工的食品更糟糕，我从来没见过有人严肃地反对这一点。现在，加工素食替代品可能比加工动物替代品更好，但它们都不是很好，所以在我看来，钻这个牛角尖有点傻。
infiniteloadinscreen
It gets downvoted because it's just stating the obvious, the average person has known processed food is bad for ages.
If someone has gone vegan they have obviously put more thought into their diet than the average person, so no one is living of this stuff. It's one option when you're stuck in some town and you didn't bring food, and all the better options are closed.
你被踩是因为你的这个观点只是说明了一个显而易见的事实，而一般人早就知道加工食品是不好的。
如果有人成为素食主义者，他们显然比一般人在饮食上花了更多的心思，所以没有人是靠这种东西生活的。当你被困在某个小镇而又没带吃的时候，这是一个选择，而所有更好的选择都被关闭了。
It gets downvoted because it's just stating the obvious, the average person has known processed food is bad for ages.
If someone has gone vegan they have obviously put more thought into their diet than the average person, so no one is living of this stuff. It's one option when you're stuck in some town and you didn't bring food, and all the better options are closed.
你被踩是因为你的这个观点只是说明了一个显而易见的事实，而一般人早就知道加工食品是不好的。
如果有人成为素食主义者，他们显然比一般人在饮食上花了更多的心思，所以没有人是靠这种东西生活的。当你被困在某个小镇而又没带吃的时候，这是一个选择，而所有更好的选择都被关闭了。
borg88Buckinghamshire
It just seems like a missed opportunity, more than anything else. Reducing meat consumption and favouring local goods really seems like a golden opportunity to improve public health.
And while nobody\\\\\\\\) is explicitly arguing that vegan processed foods are as healthy as fresh foods, there has been an absolute explosion of available products that has been unequivocally welcomed as "a good thing" by the media in general, and most people on this sub.
I just feel like I've seen it all before.
这似乎是一个错失的机会，这一点比其他什么都明显。减少肉类消费和偏爱本地产品似乎真的是改善公众健康的黄金机会。
虽然没有人明确地认为纯素加工食品和新鲜食品一样健康，但媒体和大多数人都明确地认为，纯素加工食品是“一件好事”，因此，可获得的产品绝对呈爆炸式增长。
我只是觉得我以前见过这种套路。
It just seems like a missed opportunity, more than anything else. Reducing meat consumption and favouring local goods really seems like a golden opportunity to improve public health.
And while nobody\\\\\\\\) is explicitly arguing that vegan processed foods are as healthy as fresh foods, there has been an absolute explosion of available products that has been unequivocally welcomed as "a good thing" by the media in general, and most people on this sub.
I just feel like I've seen it all before.
这似乎是一个错失的机会，这一点比其他什么都明显。减少肉类消费和偏爱本地产品似乎真的是改善公众健康的黄金机会。
虽然没有人明确地认为纯素加工食品和新鲜食品一样健康，但媒体和大多数人都明确地认为，纯素加工食品是“一件好事”，因此，可获得的产品绝对呈爆炸式增长。
我只是觉得我以前见过这种套路。
echoattempt
You might not realise that many, many people are vegan primarily because they believe eating animal products is unethical and unnecessary. The environmental and health benefits are also good reasons, but not everyone that goes vegan does it for the planet or their own health.
I'm not sure I've ever seen anyway argue that processed food is better than fresh, vegan or not? Processed plant based food shouldn't make up a large part of your diet. However, the more options out there for people to choose then the more likely people are to choose them over animal products, so that's always a good thing in my opinion.
你可能没有意识到，很多人都是素食主义者，主要是因为他们认为吃动物产品是不道德和不必要的。对环境和健康的好处也是很好的理由，但并不是每个吃素的人都是为了地球或自己的健康。
我不确定我是否见过辩称加工食品比新鲜食品好的论点，是关于素食主义者的吗？加工过的植物性食物不应该占你饮食的很大一部分。然而，人们可以选择的选项越多，就越有可能选择它们而不是动物产品，所以在我看来，这总是一件好事。
You might not realise that many, many people are vegan primarily because they believe eating animal products is unethical and unnecessary. The environmental and health benefits are also good reasons, but not everyone that goes vegan does it for the planet or their own health.
I'm not sure I've ever seen anyway argue that processed food is better than fresh, vegan or not? Processed plant based food shouldn't make up a large part of your diet. However, the more options out there for people to choose then the more likely people are to choose them over animal products, so that's always a good thing in my opinion.
你可能没有意识到，很多人都是素食主义者，主要是因为他们认为吃动物产品是不道德和不必要的。对环境和健康的好处也是很好的理由，但并不是每个吃素的人都是为了地球或自己的健康。
我不确定我是否见过辩称加工食品比新鲜食品好的论点，是关于素食主义者的吗？加工过的植物性食物不应该占你饮食的很大一部分。然而，人们可以选择的选项越多，就越有可能选择它们而不是动物产品，所以在我看来，这总是一件好事。
TheProffalken
So more "sustainable food" that has to be shipped in from overseas in vast quantities because we can't grow it in our country?
Jackfruit, almonds, avocados, and tapioca cannot be grown commercially in this country and as a result need to be processed abroad including canning and preserving before being flown or shipped to the UK - the amount of food miles involved is huge, and that's before we start to look at the deforestation for avocados and diverting water supplies for almonds grown for their juice.
Locally grown, sustainable food is the way forward - support your local butchers and greengrocers if you're in a city, support your local farmers if you're close enough to them, and we can put this whole "eating meat is shameful" nonsense (usually based on stats from the US intensive farming programs rather than UK standards) to bed and just be excellent to each other.
所以更多的“可持续食品”必须从海外大量运来，因为我们的国家不能种植它？
菠萝蜜、杏仁、牛油果和木薯不能在这个国家进行商业种植，因此需要在国外进行加工，包括罐装和保存，然后再空运或运往英国——这涉及的食物运输里程是巨大的，这还是在我们开始考虑为了鳄梨而砍伐森林和为了榨汁而种植杏仁而转移水源之前。
本地种植，可持续的食物才是前进的道路——如果你在城市，就支持当地的屠夫和蔬菜水果商，如果你离当地农民足够近，就支持他们，我们可以把这整个“吃肉是可耻的”的扯淡（通常基于美国集约农业项目的统计数据，而不是英国的标准）抛到一边了，然后善待彼此。
So more "sustainable food" that has to be shipped in from overseas in vast quantities because we can't grow it in our country?
Jackfruit, almonds, avocados, and tapioca cannot be grown commercially in this country and as a result need to be processed abroad including canning and preserving before being flown or shipped to the UK - the amount of food miles involved is huge, and that's before we start to look at the deforestation for avocados and diverting water supplies for almonds grown for their juice.
Locally grown, sustainable food is the way forward - support your local butchers and greengrocers if you're in a city, support your local farmers if you're close enough to them, and we can put this whole "eating meat is shameful" nonsense (usually based on stats from the US intensive farming programs rather than UK standards) to bed and just be excellent to each other.
所以更多的“可持续食品”必须从海外大量运来，因为我们的国家不能种植它？
菠萝蜜、杏仁、牛油果和木薯不能在这个国家进行商业种植，因此需要在国外进行加工，包括罐装和保存，然后再空运或运往英国——这涉及的食物运输里程是巨大的，这还是在我们开始考虑为了鳄梨而砍伐森林和为了榨汁而种植杏仁而转移水源之前。
本地种植，可持续的食物才是前进的道路——如果你在城市，就支持当地的屠夫和蔬菜水果商，如果你离当地农民足够近，就支持他们，我们可以把这整个“吃肉是可耻的”的扯淡（通常基于美国集约农业项目的统计数据，而不是英国的标准）抛到一边了，然后善待彼此。
TheAkondOfSwat
Big difference between 'flown or shipped'. Food miles isn't the biggest issue though, rather it's the emissions involved in production. The food miles of say, a piece of beef, will only account for a fraction of its enormous carbon footprint.
“空运”和“运输”有很大区别。不过，食物运输里程并不是最大的问题，而是生产过程中的碳排放。比如一块牛肉的食物运输里程，只占其巨大碳排放的一小部分。
Big difference between 'flown or shipped'. Food miles isn't the biggest issue though, rather it's the emissions involved in production. The food miles of say, a piece of beef, will only account for a fraction of its enormous carbon footprint.
“空运”和“运输”有很大区别。不过，食物运输里程并不是最大的问题，而是生产过程中的碳排放。比如一块牛肉的食物运输里程，只占其巨大碳排放的一小部分。
SynthD
I suspect it’s possible for vegan food flown in to have a lower CO2 cost than meat and maybe fish grown domestically. Then introduce the possibility of shipped in vegan food. Made of chickpeas and peas.
我怀疑，空运来的素食食品可能比国内种植的肉类和鱼类的二氧化碳成本更低。然后介绍素食食品海运的可能性。用鹰嘴豆和豌豆做的那种素食的。
I suspect it’s possible for vegan food flown in to have a lower CO2 cost than meat and maybe fish grown domestically. Then introduce the possibility of shipped in vegan food. Made of chickpeas and peas.
我怀疑，空运来的素食食品可能比国内种植的肉类和鱼类的二氧化碳成本更低。然后介绍素食食品海运的可能性。用鹰嘴豆和豌豆做的那种素食的。
RegionalHardman
Can't they be grown in big greenhouses? They would need to be built first of course though
它们不能在大温室里生长吗？当然，首先需要建造温室
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Can't they be grown in big greenhouses? They would need to be built first of course though
它们不能在大温室里生长吗？当然，首先需要建造温室
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TheProffalken
They could, but the carbon footprint to build and power them would be enormous and probably wipe out any benefits gained from growing them in the same area.
它们可以，但建造和供电的碳排放将是巨大的，可能会抹去在同一地区种植它们所获得的任何好处。
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They could, but the carbon footprint to build and power them would be enormous and probably wipe out any benefits gained from growing them in the same area.
它们可以，但建造和供电的碳排放将是巨大的，可能会抹去在同一地区种植它们所获得的任何好处。
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_The_Editor_Devon
I for one, particularly enjoy the fishless fingers on the shelves already. Managed to reintroduce my partner to the glory of the fish finger sandwich after almost 20 years of being a vegetarian.
就我个人而言，我特别喜欢货架上已经有的无鱼棒。在我的搭档做了将近20年的素食者之后终于让他重拾了鱼肉棒三明治的荣耀。
I for one, particularly enjoy the fishless fingers on the shelves already. Managed to reintroduce my partner to the glory of the fish finger sandwich after almost 20 years of being a vegetarian.
就我个人而言，我特别喜欢货架上已经有的无鱼棒。在我的搭档做了将近20年的素食者之后终于让他重拾了鱼肉棒三明治的荣耀。
reallytryingreally
But will this food be full of crap to make it taste nice?
但这些食物会不会为了好吃而装满了垃圾物质呢？
But will this food be full of crap to make it taste nice?
但这些食物会不会为了好吃而装满了垃圾物质呢？
neutron_bar
I am sure they'll add some mercury, micro-plastics and raw sewage for that authentic British fish taste.
我相信他们会添加一些汞、微塑料和未经处理的污水来做出正宗的英国鱼的味道。
I am sure they'll add some mercury, micro-plastics and raw sewage for that authentic British fish taste.
我相信他们会添加一些汞、微塑料和未经处理的污水来做出正宗的英国鱼的味道。
LogicalBogical
But of course. This vegan craze seems more about how to sell you more processed crap which they can profit from, rather than pushing people to healthier lifestyles or anything to do with ethics.
显然嘛。这种素食热潮似乎更多的是关于如何卖给你更多加工过的垃圾，使他们可以从中获利，而不是推动人们过上更健康的生活方式或任何与道德有关的事情。
But of course. This vegan craze seems more about how to sell you more processed crap which they can profit from, rather than pushing people to healthier lifestyles or anything to do with ethics.
显然嘛。这种素食热潮似乎更多的是关于如何卖给你更多加工过的垃圾，使他们可以从中获利，而不是推动人们过上更健康的生活方式或任何与道德有关的事情。
Extension_Ruin7998
You don’t have to eat any processed foods to be a vegan or vegetarian. I eat vegetarian and I rarely buy any ready-made or pre-packaged stuff beyond maybe a pizza or something every now and again.
你不需要吃任何加工食品来成为一个严格的素食主义者。我吃素食，但我很少买任何现成的或预先包装的东西，可能偶尔会买披萨或其他东西。
You don’t have to eat any processed foods to be a vegan or vegetarian. I eat vegetarian and I rarely buy any ready-made or pre-packaged stuff beyond maybe a pizza or something every now and again.
你不需要吃任何加工食品来成为一个严格的素食主义者。我吃素食，但我很少买任何现成的或预先包装的东西，可能偶尔会买披萨或其他东西。
draw4kicksNorthumberland
Veganism as a moral philosophy has nothing to do with health though, I have plenty of friends who eat as unhealthily as vegans as they did as omnivores. One doesn't have to be healthy to be against animal abuse, the two aren't remotely mutually exclusive but the media's turned it into a bogyman against plant-based diets.
纯素食主义作为一种道德哲学与健康无关，但我有很多朋友像素食者一样吃得不健康，就像他们像杂食者一样。反对虐待动物并不一定是健康的，这两者并不完全排斥，但媒体把它渲染成了反对植物性饮食的妖怪。
Veganism as a moral philosophy has nothing to do with health though, I have plenty of friends who eat as unhealthily as vegans as they did as omnivores. One doesn't have to be healthy to be against animal abuse, the two aren't remotely mutually exclusive but the media's turned it into a bogyman against plant-based diets.
纯素食主义作为一种道德哲学与健康无关，但我有很多朋友像素食者一样吃得不健康，就像他们像杂食者一样。反对虐待动物并不一定是健康的，这两者并不完全排斥，但媒体把它渲染成了反对植物性饮食的妖怪。
Clewis22
Sounds interesting, will give it a go when I get the chance.
听起来很有趣，有机会我会去试试的。
Sounds interesting, will give it a go when I get the chance.
听起来很有趣，有机会我会去试试的。
JhannaJunkie
It’s so nice to see vegan food made with varied ingredients. Utterly fed up with soy. I would be interested in trying all the foods in the article.
看到用各种各样的食材做的素食真是太好了。我受够了大豆。我有兴趣尝试文章中提到的所有食物。
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It’s so nice to see vegan food made with varied ingredients. Utterly fed up with soy. I would be interested in trying all the foods in the article.
看到用各种各样的食材做的素食真是太好了。我受够了大豆。我有兴趣尝试文章中提到的所有食物。
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SiricoBedfordshire
We had decent success making chickpea tuna this week, it's like sandwich filler grade but works when mixed.
这周我们做鹰嘴豆金枪鱼做得很成功，就像三明治填料级，但混合后效果很好。
We had decent success making chickpea tuna this week, it's like sandwich filler grade but works when mixed.
这周我们做鹰嘴豆金枪鱼做得很成功，就像三明治填料级，但混合后效果很好。
fullsyntheticjacket
I'm going to try this, thanks for the tipoff.
我要试试这个，谢谢你的提示。
I'm going to try this, thanks for the tipoff.
我要试试这个，谢谢你的提示。
ammobandannaCo. Durham
not all storms are good, the fake tuna comes in a wet catfood style pouch and the taste is abhorant.
并不是所有的风潮都是好的，假金枪鱼装在一个湿猫粮风格的袋子里，味道令人厌恶。
not all storms are good, the fake tuna comes in a wet catfood style pouch and the taste is abhorant.
并不是所有的风潮都是好的，假金枪鱼装在一个湿猫粮风格的袋子里，味道令人厌恶。
earthlingady
I have a box in the fridge with a 2023 best before date. It may go out of date before I manage the courage to try it.
我冰箱里就有一盒保质期2023年的。但它可能在我鼓起勇气去尝试之前先过期。
I have a box in the fridge with a 2023 best before date. It may go out of date before I manage the courage to try it.
我冰箱里就有一盒保质期2023年的。但它可能在我鼓起勇气去尝试之前先过期。
Rovert
Why are they calling it meat replacements, it’s like treating the adult population like children to con them into eating something different. I think the biggest problem is teaching and learning to cook exciting dishes without meat. They don’t have to be complicated
为什么他们叫它肉类替代品，这就像把成年人当成孩子一样骗他们吃不同的东西。我认为最大的问题是教授和学习烹饪令人兴奋的不含肉的菜肴。它们不能搞得很复杂
Why are they calling it meat replacements, it’s like treating the adult population like children to con them into eating something different. I think the biggest problem is teaching and learning to cook exciting dishes without meat. They don’t have to be complicated
为什么他们叫它肉类替代品，这就像把成年人当成孩子一样骗他们吃不同的东西。我认为最大的问题是教授和学习烹饪令人兴奋的不含肉的菜肴。它们不能搞得很复杂
CateDT
I cannot understand that after making a philosophical choice to eschew anything but plant based foods, any vegan would want to eat faux "meat" or "fish," mass manufactured from heavily processed vegetable matter, wasting water and power to do so. And how's it flavoured?
我无法理解，在做出了避开植物性食物以外的任何东西的哲学选择后，任何素食主义者都想要吃人造“肉”或“鱼”——由深度加工的蔬菜物质大量制造而来，并为此浪费水和电力。味道怎么样？（你不是都选择“素食”了吗？现在又回过头来吃“肉”和“鱼”是几个意思？）
I cannot understand that after making a philosophical choice to eschew anything but plant based foods, any vegan would want to eat faux "meat" or "fish," mass manufactured from heavily processed vegetable matter, wasting water and power to do so. And how's it flavoured?
我无法理解，在做出了避开植物性食物以外的任何东西的哲学选择后，任何素食主义者都想要吃人造“肉”或“鱼”——由深度加工的蔬菜物质大量制造而来，并为此浪费水和电力。味道怎么样？（你不是都选择“素食”了吗？现在又回过头来吃“肉”和“鱼”是几个意思？）
Bartholomew Roberts
Some people seem to be addicted to the flavours and textures of carcasses.
If those people are offered a carcass-free alternative with similar flavours and textures it might help wean them off their destructive habit.
Think of it as methadone for carnists.
有些人似乎对尸体的味道和质地上瘾了。
如果给这些人提供一种没有尸体、味道和质地相似的替代品，可能会帮助他们戒掉这种有害的习惯。
你就当这是给狂欢者的美沙酮吧。
Some people seem to be addicted to the flavours and textures of carcasses.
If those people are offered a carcass-free alternative with similar flavours and textures it might help wean them off their destructive habit.
Think of it as methadone for carnists.
有些人似乎对尸体的味道和质地上瘾了。
如果给这些人提供一种没有尸体、味道和质地相似的替代品，可能会帮助他们戒掉这种有害的习惯。
你就当这是给狂欢者的美沙酮吧。
Samson Jose
So many grown ass people in the comments getting worked up about something that they’re not being forced to buy or eat.
在评论中，很多成年渣渣们对他们没有被强迫购买或吃的东西感到激动。
So many grown ass people in the comments getting worked up about something that they’re not being forced to buy or eat.
在评论中，很多成年渣渣们对他们没有被强迫购买或吃的东西感到激动。
SWardl3y
Healthy meat is unprocessed meat, eaten once a week, not fried.
Vegan and vegetarian alternatives are unhealthy as they're processed foods.
健康的肉类是未经加工的肉类，每周吃一次，不要油炸。
纯素食和素食替代品是不健康的，因为它们都是加工食品。
Healthy meat is unprocessed meat, eaten once a week, not fried.
Vegan and vegetarian alternatives are unhealthy as they're processed foods.
健康的肉类是未经加工的肉类，每周吃一次，不要油炸。
纯素食和素食替代品是不健康的，因为它们都是加工食品。
Keith Chapman
20 years from now people will be asking why we were getting people to eat so much processed food
20年后，人们会问我们为什么要让人们吃这么多加工食品
20 years from now people will be asking why we were getting people to eat so much processed food
20年后，人们会问我们为什么要让人们吃这么多加工食品
Théroigne Russell
I am not against vegan food on principle. I am very much against ultra processed food however and those fake meat burgers have a load of dodgy ingredients and are also high in carbs.
I should clarify that I'm all for better farming standards, which is why I eat organic. I was a vegetarian too. Changing the way we eat to 'save the planet' will only make Big Food richer. It won't make us healthier at all.
原则上，我并不反对素食。然而，我非常反对过加工食品，那些假肉汉堡含有大量可疑成分，而且碳水化合物含量也很高。
我应该澄清一下，我完全支持更好的农业标准，这就是为什么我吃有机食品。我也是个素食主义者。但改变我们的饮食方式来“拯救地球”只会让大型食品公司更加富有。这根本不会让我们更健康。
I am not against vegan food on principle. I am very much against ultra processed food however and those fake meat burgers have a load of dodgy ingredients and are also high in carbs.
I should clarify that I'm all for better farming standards, which is why I eat organic. I was a vegetarian too. Changing the way we eat to 'save the planet' will only make Big Food richer. It won't make us healthier at all.
原则上，我并不反对素食。然而，我非常反对过加工食品，那些假肉汉堡含有大量可疑成分，而且碳水化合物含量也很高。
我应该澄清一下，我完全支持更好的农业标准，这就是为什么我吃有机食品。我也是个素食主义者。但改变我们的饮食方式来“拯救地球”只会让大型食品公司更加富有。这根本不会让我们更健康。
MalachiJaiEmet
I don't eat vegan to be healthy, I'm probably going downhill fast but I do it because I can't bear the thought of terrified animals going to slaughter. I don't talk about it or try to convert anyone
我吃素食不是为了健康，我的（健康状况）可能会每况愈下，但我这么做是因为我无法忍受害怕的动物被宰杀。我不谈论它或试图改变任何人
I don't eat vegan to be healthy, I'm probably going downhill fast but I do it because I can't bear the thought of terrified animals going to slaughter. I don't talk about it or try to convert anyone
我吃素食不是为了健康，我的（健康状况）可能会每况愈下，但我这么做是因为我无法忍受害怕的动物被宰杀。我不谈论它或试图改变任何人
Paul Chatterton
All this does is consolidate the hold of corporate food and ultra processed foods in our lives.
The shift to vegan food also needs to be a shift to local and non processed food
所有这些都巩固了企业食品和过加工食品在我们生活中的地位。
向素食的转变也需要向本地和非加工食品的转变
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
All this does is consolidate the hold of corporate food and ultra processed foods in our lives.
The shift to vegan food also needs to be a shift to local and non processed food
所有这些都巩固了企业食品和过加工食品在我们生活中的地位。
向素食的转变也需要向本地和非加工食品的转变
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
Steve Evans
The guardian really are good value for their “journalistic” deals they do. Remember who pays them,remember who writes for them,remember veganism is a minority diet choice.
《卫报》的“新闻”交易确实物有所值。记住，谁付钱给他们，记住谁为他们写，记住素食主义只是少数人的饮食选择。
The guardian really are good value for their “journalistic” deals they do. Remember who pays them,remember who writes for them,remember veganism is a minority diet choice.
《卫报》的“新闻”交易确实物有所值。记住，谁付钱给他们，记住谁为他们写，记住素食主义只是少数人的饮食选择。
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