100%的识字率是一件好事吗(上)
正文翻译
Is a 100% literacy rate a good thing?
100%的识字率是一件好事吗？
Is a 100% literacy rate a good thing?
100%的识字率是一件好事吗？
评论翻译
Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia, Wikia, WikiTribune
I believe this question exhibits a very strong cultural bias. I would imagine that the author of the question is from India, where a great many people without literacy are employed in difficult conditions.
There are places like Norway (strong oil industry), Korea (strong automotive and electronics industry) with laborers who are 100% literate. In the United States, the literacy rate is 99% and those 1% who are not literate are not likely to find work in the heavy industries that you cite.
Basic literacy means that laborers can train on advanced machinery and become more productive. Speaking broadly, across many sectors, the work of a literate person who has trained on advanced machinery is many times more productive than that of a base laborer who can't read.
So your premise is incorrect. The most productive societies, even in heavy industries, are the societies with the highest literacy rates.
我相信这个问题表现出很强的文化偏见。我可以想象，这个问题的作者来自印度，那里有很多人没有文化且工作条件很艰苦。
挪威（强大的石油工业）、韩国（强大的汽车和电子工业）等地的劳动力都是100%识字的。在美国，识字率为99%，那些1%不识字的人不太可能在你提到的重工业领域找到工作。
基本识字能力意味着劳动者可以接受涉及有关先进的机器方面的培训，提高生产率。从广义上讲，在许多行业，受过先进机械培训的有文化的人的工作效率是不会阅读的基础劳工的数倍。
所以你的前提是错误的。生产率最高的社会即使在重工业领域，社会中识字率也是最高的。
I believe this question exhibits a very strong cultural bias. I would imagine that the author of the question is from India, where a great many people without literacy are employed in difficult conditions.
There are places like Norway (strong oil industry), Korea (strong automotive and electronics industry) with laborers who are 100% literate. In the United States, the literacy rate is 99% and those 1% who are not literate are not likely to find work in the heavy industries that you cite.
Basic literacy means that laborers can train on advanced machinery and become more productive. Speaking broadly, across many sectors, the work of a literate person who has trained on advanced machinery is many times more productive than that of a base laborer who can't read.
So your premise is incorrect. The most productive societies, even in heavy industries, are the societies with the highest literacy rates.
我相信这个问题表现出很强的文化偏见。我可以想象，这个问题的作者来自印度，那里有很多人没有文化且工作条件很艰苦。
挪威（强大的石油工业）、韩国（强大的汽车和电子工业）等地的劳动力都是100%识字的。在美国，识字率为99%，那些1%不识字的人不太可能在你提到的重工业领域找到工作。
基本识字能力意味着劳动者可以接受涉及有关先进的机器方面的培训，提高生产率。从广义上讲，在许多行业，受过先进机械培训的有文化的人的工作效率是不会阅读的基础劳工的数倍。
所以你的前提是错误的。生产率最高的社会即使在重工业领域，社会中识字率也是最高的。
William Pietri, Maker, starter, writer.
威廉·皮特里，创造者、发起者、作家。
威廉·皮特里，创造者、发起者、作家。
Plotting to keep some people dumb in hopes that then they'll be happy doing jobs that their supposed betters would rather not do is abhorrent.
Economically, the limit on a country's wealth is the sum of how productive each individual can be. Educated workers are more productive, even for supposedly dumb work. Recognizing and using the brainpower of manual laborers is what allowed Toyota to become the world's largest car-maker despite the dominance of American car-makers and the wartime decimation of Japan.
Politically, a democracy depends on an educated citizenry. Keeping a large segment of the people unlettered means that a country's politics will always be less effective than it otherwise could be.
Morally, it's the responsibility of a government to look out for all its citizens, and a community to look out for its members. To condemn a child to a life of ignorance because someone literate has decided they aren't good enough to learn anything is shockingly callous. It is condemning a perfectly capable human being to being something akin to a slave or a farm animal. Nobody deserves that.
阴谋让一些人保持沉默，希望他们能快乐地做那些识字能力强的人不愿做的工作，这是令人憎恶的。
经济上，一个国家财富的极限是每个人的生产力总和。受过教育的工人即使是从事被认为是愚蠢的工作，生产率更高。尽管当时美国汽车制造商占主导地位，日本在战时惨遭蹂躏，不过认识并利用体力劳动者的聪明才智促使丰田成为世界上最大的汽车制造商。
政治上，民主取决于受过教育的公民。让很大一部分人不识字，意味着一个国家的政治将永远不如它本可以达到的效果。
从道德上讲，政府有责任照顾所有公民，社区有责任照顾其成员。因为某个有文化的人认为他们没有足够的能力去学习任何东西从而让一个孩子过着无知的生活，这是令人震惊的冷酷无情。它谴责一个完全有能力的人成为一个类似奴隶或农场动物的东西。没有人值得被如此对待。
Economically, the limit on a country's wealth is the sum of how productive each individual can be. Educated workers are more productive, even for supposedly dumb work. Recognizing and using the brainpower of manual laborers is what allowed Toyota to become the world's largest car-maker despite the dominance of American car-makers and the wartime decimation of Japan.
Politically, a democracy depends on an educated citizenry. Keeping a large segment of the people unlettered means that a country's politics will always be less effective than it otherwise could be.
Morally, it's the responsibility of a government to look out for all its citizens, and a community to look out for its members. To condemn a child to a life of ignorance because someone literate has decided they aren't good enough to learn anything is shockingly callous. It is condemning a perfectly capable human being to being something akin to a slave or a farm animal. Nobody deserves that.
阴谋让一些人保持沉默，希望他们能快乐地做那些识字能力强的人不愿做的工作，这是令人憎恶的。
经济上，一个国家财富的极限是每个人的生产力总和。受过教育的工人即使是从事被认为是愚蠢的工作，生产率更高。尽管当时美国汽车制造商占主导地位，日本在战时惨遭蹂躏，不过认识并利用体力劳动者的聪明才智促使丰田成为世界上最大的汽车制造商。
政治上，民主取决于受过教育的公民。让很大一部分人不识字，意味着一个国家的政治将永远不如它本可以达到的效果。
从道德上讲，政府有责任照顾所有公民，社区有责任照顾其成员。因为某个有文化的人认为他们没有足够的能力去学习任何东西从而让一个孩子过着无知的生活，这是令人震惊的冷酷无情。它谴责一个完全有能力的人成为一个类似奴隶或农场动物的东西。没有人值得被如此对待。
Balaji Viswanathan, CEO at Invento (2016-present)
巴拉吉·维斯瓦纳坦，Invento首席执行官（2016年至今）
巴拉吉·维斯瓦纳坦，Invento首席执行官（2016年至今）
Absolutely, with no strings attached.
Education and literacy are not the same thing. The former usually means possessing some kind of a tertiary degree (such as an undergrad or professional qualification). Literacy usually means the person knows enough to read and write and usually has attended a secondary school (in India the requirements are much diluted though).
As Jimmy Wales mentioned in his answer, many literate societies possess a real manufacturing prowess. An illiterate person is not very suitable for a factory floor or many other blue-collar jobs.
Given that you are implying India (the only major society without 100% literacy), our manufacturing should shift to a more efficient process. Currently it is terribly manual and backbreaking. Our labor productivity and worker standards are super-low. To move up in manufacturing value, we need more qualified workers.
绝对没有附带任何条件。
教育和识字不是一回事。前者通常意味着拥有某种高等学位（如本科或职业资格证书）。识字能力通常意味着一个人有足够的读写能力，并且通常上过中学（不过在印度，要求要低得多）。
正如吉米·威尔斯（Jimmy Wales,）在回答中提到的那样，许多公民受过教育的社会拥有真正的制造业实力。文盲不太适合做工厂或其他蓝领工作。
鉴于你暗示的是印度（唯一没有100%识字率的主要社会），我们的制造业应该转向更高效的过程。目前，它是非常消耗体力和雷人的性质。我们的劳动生产率和工人标准都非常低。为了提高制造价值，我们需要更多的合格工人。
Education and literacy are not the same thing. The former usually means possessing some kind of a tertiary degree (such as an undergrad or professional qualification). Literacy usually means the person knows enough to read and write and usually has attended a secondary school (in India the requirements are much diluted though).
As Jimmy Wales mentioned in his answer, many literate societies possess a real manufacturing prowess. An illiterate person is not very suitable for a factory floor or many other blue-collar jobs.
Given that you are implying India (the only major society without 100% literacy), our manufacturing should shift to a more efficient process. Currently it is terribly manual and backbreaking. Our labor productivity and worker standards are super-low. To move up in manufacturing value, we need more qualified workers.
绝对没有附带任何条件。
教育和识字不是一回事。前者通常意味着拥有某种高等学位（如本科或职业资格证书）。识字能力通常意味着一个人有足够的读写能力，并且通常上过中学（不过在印度，要求要低得多）。
正如吉米·威尔斯（Jimmy Wales,）在回答中提到的那样，许多公民受过教育的社会拥有真正的制造业实力。文盲不太适合做工厂或其他蓝领工作。
鉴于你暗示的是印度（唯一没有100%识字率的主要社会），我们的制造业应该转向更高效的过程。目前，它是非常消耗体力和雷人的性质。我们的劳动生产率和工人标准都非常低。为了提高制造价值，我们需要更多的合格工人。
Eivind, lives in Stavanger, Norway (2006-present)
艾文德，居住在挪威斯塔万格（2006年至今）
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艾文德，居住在挪威斯塔万格（2006年至今）
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Yes of course ! And this question is weird. It makes a large number of assumptions that are all entirely incorrect. Here's a few:
It assumes that knowing how to read and write is only useful for work, and that people who don't need to read in their work thus have no use for it. In reality, being able to read and write is essential to be a full participant in society in a million and one ways ranging from filing your taxes to having fun online.
It assumes that there's no benefits from literacy if you're doing manual labour. This is incorrect. Being able to read a work-descxtion, file a traveling-bill, order materials needed or read the service-manual are just tiny examples.
Furthermore literacy is a really low bar. Average 10-year-olds learns to read on a basic level with perhaps 50 to 100 hours worth of instruction. Not only do blue-collar workers benefit enormously from this, but they benefit from MUCH more education than this.
Blue-collar workers where I'm at (Norway) tend to have on the order of a dozen years worth of school, and the clear trend is that more education is needed. Because 2 generations ago working for a company that makes windows meant needing to be able to handle a hammer and a saw, while today it means being able to reprogram a CNC-mill to optimize cutting-speed while reducing the fraction of material wasted.
当然可以！这个问题很奇怪。它做出了大量完全不正确的假设。以下是一些：
它假定知道如何读和写只对工作有用，而那些对在工作中不要求会阅读的人也就没有用了。事实上，从报税到网上娱乐，识字能力对于全面参与社会是必不可少的
它假设，如果你从事体力劳动，识字并没有任何好处。这是不正确的。能够阅读工作描述、提交旅行账单、订购所需材料或阅读使用手册还只是一个很小的例子。
此外，识字率是一个很低的标准。平均10岁的孩子通过50到100个小时的指导学习就能懂基本阅读。蓝领工人不仅从中受益匪浅，而且还受益于得到更多的教育。
我所在的（挪威）蓝领工人一般都要上十几年的学，明显的趋势是需要更多的教育。因为在两代人以前在一家制造窗户的公司工作意味着需要能够操作锤子和锯子，而今天意味着能够重新编程数控铣床以优化切割速度，同时减少材料浪费。
It assumes that knowing how to read and write is only useful for work, and that people who don't need to read in their work thus have no use for it. In reality, being able to read and write is essential to be a full participant in society in a million and one ways ranging from filing your taxes to having fun online.
It assumes that there's no benefits from literacy if you're doing manual labour. This is incorrect. Being able to read a work-descxtion, file a traveling-bill, order materials needed or read the service-manual are just tiny examples.
Furthermore literacy is a really low bar. Average 10-year-olds learns to read on a basic level with perhaps 50 to 100 hours worth of instruction. Not only do blue-collar workers benefit enormously from this, but they benefit from MUCH more education than this.
Blue-collar workers where I'm at (Norway) tend to have on the order of a dozen years worth of school, and the clear trend is that more education is needed. Because 2 generations ago working for a company that makes windows meant needing to be able to handle a hammer and a saw, while today it means being able to reprogram a CNC-mill to optimize cutting-speed while reducing the fraction of material wasted.
当然可以！这个问题很奇怪。它做出了大量完全不正确的假设。以下是一些：
它假定知道如何读和写只对工作有用，而那些对在工作中不要求会阅读的人也就没有用了。事实上，从报税到网上娱乐，识字能力对于全面参与社会是必不可少的
它假设，如果你从事体力劳动，识字并没有任何好处。这是不正确的。能够阅读工作描述、提交旅行账单、订购所需材料或阅读使用手册还只是一个很小的例子。
此外，识字率是一个很低的标准。平均10岁的孩子通过50到100个小时的指导学习就能懂基本阅读。蓝领工人不仅从中受益匪浅，而且还受益于得到更多的教育。
我所在的（挪威）蓝领工人一般都要上十几年的学，明显的趋势是需要更多的教育。因为在两代人以前在一家制造窗户的公司工作意味着需要能够操作锤子和锯子，而今天意味着能够重新编程数控铣床以优化切割速度，同时减少材料浪费。
Ben Stern, Educational Technology Specialist
本·斯特恩，教育技术专家
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本·斯特恩，教育技术专家
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I think it's important to remember that education and the promotion of literacy has non-economic motives, which are, in my view, more significant. The promotion of literacy is not just useful; it enriches life. Literacy enables access to culture, which is at least as important in a person's life as politics or economics. 100% literacy is desirable accordingly.
我认为重要的是要明白教育和提高识字率具有非经济动机，在我看来，这些动机更为重要：提高识字率丰富了生活。识字使人们能够接触文化，文化在一个人的生活中至少与政治或经济同等重要。因此，100%的识字率是可取的。
我认为重要的是要明白教育和提高识字率具有非经济动机，在我看来，这些动机更为重要：提高识字率丰富了生活。识字使人们能够接触文化，文化在一个人的生活中至少与政治或经济同等重要。因此，100%的识字率是可取的。
Derek Harkness, Living and working in China since 2006.
Derek Harkness，自2006年起在中国生活和工作。
Derek Harkness，自2006年起在中国生活和工作。
The question is based on an incorrect concept of economics. You suppose that if everyone is educated, that nobody would want to do low skilled labour as educated people would want white collar work. However it is demonstrably not true. Look at the economy of any developed country where literacy rates are high and you will find people still do the manual labour.
In converse, development of economies has been shown to be directly lixed to the availability of good eduction. It was the introduction of free compulsory education in Europe that kicked of the Enlightenment and brought about the modern age. As such, I would argue that the existence of white collar work is entirely dependant on mass education. Without a educated populace, you would return the country to a undeveloped state with no industry or technology. Everyone would be doing manual labour except a few landlords.
Education is required for more than just work. For example: reading the label on medicine so that your child does not die of a curable disease, taking part in political activities, enjoying life and learning, travel, shopping and so on.
I have very personal experience of what it means to be illiterate as I am illiterate. Now you are wondering how I wrote this? I live in China but cannot read or write Chinese beyond the most basic of words. I know how much I just cannot do because of my inability to read and write Chinese. However, in contrast to your argument, I am not confined to just manual labour in China. I do white collar work.
这个问题基于一个错误的经济学概念。你认为，如果每个人都受过教育，没有人愿意从事低技能劳动，因为受过教育的人想从事白领类工作。然而，这显然不是事实。看看识字率高的发达国家，你会发现人们仍然从事体力劳动。
相反，经济发展已被证明与良好教育的可获得性直接相关。在欧洲正是引入免费义务教育推动了启蒙运动，并带来了现代化。因此，我认为白领工作的存在完全依赖于大众教育。如果民众没有受过教育，这个国家会回到一个没有工业或技术能力的不发达国家。除了少数房东外，每个人都在做体力劳动。
教育不仅仅是为了工作。例如：阅读药品标签，使你的孩子不会死于可治愈的疾病，参加政治活动，享受生活和学习，旅行，购物等。
我是文盲，我有亲身经验，我知道这意味着什么。现在你想知道我是怎么写的？我住在中国，除了最基本的中文外，我不会读或写中文。我知道有许多事情是我无法做的—因为我不能读写中文。然而，与你的论点相反，我并不局限于中国的体力劳动。我就从事白领工作。
In converse, development of economies has been shown to be directly lixed to the availability of good eduction. It was the introduction of free compulsory education in Europe that kicked of the Enlightenment and brought about the modern age. As such, I would argue that the existence of white collar work is entirely dependant on mass education. Without a educated populace, you would return the country to a undeveloped state with no industry or technology. Everyone would be doing manual labour except a few landlords.
Education is required for more than just work. For example: reading the label on medicine so that your child does not die of a curable disease, taking part in political activities, enjoying life and learning, travel, shopping and so on.
I have very personal experience of what it means to be illiterate as I am illiterate. Now you are wondering how I wrote this? I live in China but cannot read or write Chinese beyond the most basic of words. I know how much I just cannot do because of my inability to read and write Chinese. However, in contrast to your argument, I am not confined to just manual labour in China. I do white collar work.
这个问题基于一个错误的经济学概念。你认为，如果每个人都受过教育，没有人愿意从事低技能劳动，因为受过教育的人想从事白领类工作。然而，这显然不是事实。看看识字率高的发达国家，你会发现人们仍然从事体力劳动。
相反，经济发展已被证明与良好教育的可获得性直接相关。在欧洲正是引入免费义务教育推动了启蒙运动，并带来了现代化。因此，我认为白领工作的存在完全依赖于大众教育。如果民众没有受过教育，这个国家会回到一个没有工业或技术能力的不发达国家。除了少数房东外，每个人都在做体力劳动。
教育不仅仅是为了工作。例如：阅读药品标签，使你的孩子不会死于可治愈的疾病，参加政治活动，享受生活和学习，旅行，购物等。
我是文盲，我有亲身经验，我知道这意味着什么。现在你想知道我是怎么写的？我住在中国，除了最基本的中文外，我不会读或写中文。我知道有许多事情是我无法做的—因为我不能读写中文。然而，与你的论点相反，我并不局限于中国的体力劳动。我就从事白领工作。
Daven Yu, Studying everything from math to the intricacies of gaming
Daven Yu，研究从数学到错综复杂的游戏的一切
Daven Yu，研究从数学到错综复杂的游戏的一切
Is it a good thing if everyone were able to read and write?
Of course it is!
Ali Alshamsi has a fantastic answer discussing the long term economic benefits having a completely literate population can have.
But it’s not just limited to that.
I think the most important benefit we get from having a 100% literacy rate would be that each and every person can contribute and also discover information through written text.
Books and texts are the largest depository of information we have in this world.
When an influential figure comes up with an amazing idea, or a powerful stance on a topic, what do we do? Some people may hear it as he speaks, but then what?
We write it down.
When Plato was thinking about how we think and some other ideas related to philosophy, what did he do?
2,000 years ago, he wrote it down.
When scientists make new discoveries, brainstorm new ideas and uncover marvelous proofs, they . . .
You guessed it! They write it down.
And as time passes, and our unreliable memories fail, and the stories we tell become ever so distorted. . .
We resort to books, whether on a screen or a piece of paper, basking in the knowledge of the generations before us.
And maybe we can also contribute a little. (Thanks for that Quora!)
如果每个人都能识字，这是一件好事吗？当然是！
阿里·阿尔沙姆西（Ali Alshamsi）在讨论一个完全识字的人群可以带来的长期经济利益时给出了一个极好的答案。
但这不仅仅限于此。
我认为，我们从100%的识字率中得到的最重要的好处是，每个人都可以通过书面文本贡献和发现信息。
书籍和文本是我们在这个世界上拥有的最大的信息宝库。
当一个有影响力的人物提出了一个惊人的想法，或者在一个话题上有了强有力的立场，我们该怎么办？有些人可能会在他说话时听到，但那又怎么样？
我们把它写下来。
当柏拉图思考我们如何思考以及其他一些与哲学有关的观点时，他做了什么？
2000年前，他把它写了下来。
当科学家们做出新的发现，头脑突然冒出新想法和发现惊人的证据，他们如何做？你猜对了！他们把它写下来。
随着时间的流逝，我们不可靠的记忆消失，我们讲的故事变得越来越扭曲。
我们求助于书籍，无论是在屏幕上还是在一张纸上，就可以沉浸在前几代人的知识中。
也许我们也可以贡献一点。（谢谢你：Quora！）
Of course it is!
Ali Alshamsi has a fantastic answer discussing the long term economic benefits having a completely literate population can have.
But it’s not just limited to that.
I think the most important benefit we get from having a 100% literacy rate would be that each and every person can contribute and also discover information through written text.
Books and texts are the largest depository of information we have in this world.
When an influential figure comes up with an amazing idea, or a powerful stance on a topic, what do we do? Some people may hear it as he speaks, but then what?
We write it down.
When Plato was thinking about how we think and some other ideas related to philosophy, what did he do?
2,000 years ago, he wrote it down.
When scientists make new discoveries, brainstorm new ideas and uncover marvelous proofs, they . . .
You guessed it! They write it down.
And as time passes, and our unreliable memories fail, and the stories we tell become ever so distorted. . .
We resort to books, whether on a screen or a piece of paper, basking in the knowledge of the generations before us.
And maybe we can also contribute a little. (Thanks for that Quora!)
如果每个人都能识字，这是一件好事吗？当然是！
阿里·阿尔沙姆西（Ali Alshamsi）在讨论一个完全识字的人群可以带来的长期经济利益时给出了一个极好的答案。
但这不仅仅限于此。
我认为，我们从100%的识字率中得到的最重要的好处是，每个人都可以通过书面文本贡献和发现信息。
书籍和文本是我们在这个世界上拥有的最大的信息宝库。
当一个有影响力的人物提出了一个惊人的想法，或者在一个话题上有了强有力的立场，我们该怎么办？有些人可能会在他说话时听到，但那又怎么样？
我们把它写下来。
当柏拉图思考我们如何思考以及其他一些与哲学有关的观点时，他做了什么？
2000年前，他把它写了下来。
当科学家们做出新的发现，头脑突然冒出新想法和发现惊人的证据，他们如何做？你猜对了！他们把它写下来。
随着时间的流逝，我们不可靠的记忆消失，我们讲的故事变得越来越扭曲。
我们求助于书籍，无论是在屏幕上还是在一张纸上，就可以沉浸在前几代人的知识中。
也许我们也可以贡献一点。（谢谢你：Quora！）
Sophia Hudson, Cloud Solutions Architect
Sophia Hudson，云解决方案架构师
Sophia Hudson，云解决方案架构师
The fact that you asked this question means you're literate. Everybody who has answered it so far has also been literate. An illiterate person could not even participate in a conversation aboutof being literate!
Without being able to read and write, there is no way to understand anything but what you hear directly and thus everything you know would be subservient to the whims of your memory.
Can you imagine a world where you couldn't record information so that you could recall it later, let alone decode what you recorded in the first place?
From this perspective, ask yourself if it's justifiable to have a "target" literacy rate of any less than 100%. Imagine if that one person who was illiterate, because of oppression, was you.
你问这个问题意味着你识字。到目前为止，所有回答这个问题的人都是识字的。一个文盲甚至不能参加关于识字的对话！
如果没有读写能力，除了你直接听到的，你就无法理解任何东西，因此你所知道的一切都将服从于你记忆中的突发奇想。
你能想象一个你无法记录信息以便以后回忆的世界，更不用说去解读你最初记录的信息了。
从这个角度来看，问问你自己，将“目标”识字率控制在100%以下是否合理。想象一下：如果那个因为压迫而目不识丁的人是你。
Without being able to read and write, there is no way to understand anything but what you hear directly and thus everything you know would be subservient to the whims of your memory.
Can you imagine a world where you couldn't record information so that you could recall it later, let alone decode what you recorded in the first place?
From this perspective, ask yourself if it's justifiable to have a "target" literacy rate of any less than 100%. Imagine if that one person who was illiterate, because of oppression, was you.
你问这个问题意味着你识字。到目前为止，所有回答这个问题的人都是识字的。一个文盲甚至不能参加关于识字的对话！
如果没有读写能力，除了你直接听到的，你就无法理解任何东西，因此你所知道的一切都将服从于你记忆中的突发奇想。
你能想象一个你无法记录信息以便以后回忆的世界，更不用说去解读你最初记录的信息了。
从这个角度来看，问问你自己，将“目标”识字率控制在100%以下是否合理。想象一下：如果那个因为压迫而目不识丁的人是你。
Gerry U, Dentist, Prof, DPH Consultant, Registrar
Gerry U，牙医，教授，DPH顾问，注册主任
Gerry U，牙医，教授，DPH顾问，注册主任
Of course 100% literacy is a good thing. Any country would want 100% of its citizens to be able to read and write if possible.
How do you equate literacy with shortages in labour? All blue collar workers are all illiterate and if they become literate they will suddenly put on a suit and work in an office? Learn to read and you take off the bleu de travail and put on a lab coat.
Skilled and unskilled labourers should be literate to enable them to live productive lives; to nurture and teach their children.
Skilled labourers become skilled because they are literate.
100% literacy is one thing. Intellectual capacity and desire determine where we might end up in life.
You are literate yet your question is not well thought out.
There’s your answer.
当然，100%的识字率是一件好事。如果可能的话，任何国家都希望100%的公民都能读写。
你如何将识字率与劳动力短缺等同起来？假如所有蓝领工人都是文盲，如果某天他们识字了，他们会突然穿上西装在办公室工作；学会阅读，你就可以脱下劳工服，穿上实验服。
技术工人和非技术工人应该识字，使他们能够过上生产类生活；培养和教育他们的孩子。
熟练工人之所以成为熟练工人，是因为他们识字。
100%识字是一回事，智力和欲望决定了我们生活的方向。
你有文化，但你的问题还没有考虑周全。
这是你要的答案。
How do you equate literacy with shortages in labour? All blue collar workers are all illiterate and if they become literate they will suddenly put on a suit and work in an office? Learn to read and you take off the bleu de travail and put on a lab coat.
Skilled and unskilled labourers should be literate to enable them to live productive lives; to nurture and teach their children.
Skilled labourers become skilled because they are literate.
100% literacy is one thing. Intellectual capacity and desire determine where we might end up in life.
You are literate yet your question is not well thought out.
There’s your answer.
当然，100%的识字率是一件好事。如果可能的话，任何国家都希望100%的公民都能读写。
你如何将识字率与劳动力短缺等同起来？假如所有蓝领工人都是文盲，如果某天他们识字了，他们会突然穿上西装在办公室工作；学会阅读，你就可以脱下劳工服，穿上实验服。
技术工人和非技术工人应该识字，使他们能够过上生产类生活；培养和教育他们的孩子。
熟练工人之所以成为熟练工人，是因为他们识字。
100%识字是一回事，智力和欲望决定了我们生活的方向。
你有文化，但你的问题还没有考虑周全。
这是你要的答案。
Ryan P. Long, Aspiring Renaissance Man
Ryan P.Long，有抱负的文艺复兴人
Ryan P.Long，有抱负的文艺复兴人
Are you suggesting that we should deprive some people of basic knowledge so that we can use them to perform low-paying jobs that we ourselves do not want to perform?
In other words, are you asking whether widespread literacy is preferable to slavery?
If so, my answer is yes, literacy is much better than slavery.
你是否建议我们剥夺一些人的基本知识，以便我们可以利用他们从事我们自己不想从事的低薪工作？
换句话说，你是在问，普及识字是否比奴隶制更可取？
如果是这样，我的答案是肯定的，识字比奴隶制好得多。
In other words, are you asking whether widespread literacy is preferable to slavery?
If so, my answer is yes, literacy is much better than slavery.
你是否建议我们剥夺一些人的基本知识，以便我们可以利用他们从事我们自己不想从事的低薪工作？
换句话说，你是在问，普及识字是否比奴隶制更可取？
如果是这样，我的答案是肯定的，识字比奴隶制好得多。
Stan Hayward, Film/TV/Book writer www.henryscat.com, www.makemovies.co.uk,
Consider the following
An educated person would prefer a white collar job over a laborious job.
I doubt it. Most people think white collar jobs are boring. There are plenty of educated people running ships, on building sites, exploring jungles, finding oil wells, etc.
Written language is being replaced by Acronyms, texting, emoticons, emogics, grapics, informatics, visual literacy, icons, signs, signals, and communicating with sounds in preference to writing.
The assumption that people who do laborious work are uneducated is belied by the fact that there are thousands of janitors in the USA who have Ph.Ds (check the Quora question on this)
Robots do not need literacy. They will replace those who work hard, and those that think hard. There have already been successful tests of monkeys operating machines just by thinking.
The preferred rate of literacy is zero. Which will be achieved when we can communicate directly with thoughts, postures, and gestures.
考虑以下事项：
受过教育的人更喜欢白领工作，而不是费力的工作。
我对此表示怀疑。大多数人认为白领工作很无聊。有很多受过教育的人从事船上、建筑工地、探索丛林、寻找油井类工作。
书面语言正被首字母缩略词、短信、表情符号、表情符号、图形、信息学、视觉读写能力、图标、符号、信号以及用声音而不是书写所取代。
在美国有成千上万的看门人拥有博士学位，这一事实推翻了人们认为从事艰苦工作的人没有受过教育的假设（请查看关于这一点的Quora问题）
机器人不需要识字。他们将取代那些努力工作和努力思考的人。已经有猴子通过思考操作机器的成功试验。
首选识字率为零。当我们能够用思想、姿势和手势直接交流时，这一点就会实现。
Consider the following
An educated person would prefer a white collar job over a laborious job.
I doubt it. Most people think white collar jobs are boring. There are plenty of educated people running ships, on building sites, exploring jungles, finding oil wells, etc.
Written language is being replaced by Acronyms, texting, emoticons, emogics, grapics, informatics, visual literacy, icons, signs, signals, and communicating with sounds in preference to writing.
The assumption that people who do laborious work are uneducated is belied by the fact that there are thousands of janitors in the USA who have Ph.Ds (check the Quora question on this)
Robots do not need literacy. They will replace those who work hard, and those that think hard. There have already been successful tests of monkeys operating machines just by thinking.
The preferred rate of literacy is zero. Which will be achieved when we can communicate directly with thoughts, postures, and gestures.
考虑以下事项：
受过教育的人更喜欢白领工作，而不是费力的工作。
我对此表示怀疑。大多数人认为白领工作很无聊。有很多受过教育的人从事船上、建筑工地、探索丛林、寻找油井类工作。
书面语言正被首字母缩略词、短信、表情符号、表情符号、图形、信息学、视觉读写能力、图标、符号、信号以及用声音而不是书写所取代。
在美国有成千上万的看门人拥有博士学位，这一事实推翻了人们认为从事艰苦工作的人没有受过教育的假设（请查看关于这一点的Quora问题）
机器人不需要识字。他们将取代那些努力工作和努力思考的人。已经有猴子通过思考操作机器的成功试验。
首选识字率为零。当我们能够用思想、姿势和手势直接交流时，这一点就会实现。
Raghava Sarma, Materials, Energy and Transportation is my expertise.
Raghava Sarma，材料、能源和运输是我的专长。
Raghava Sarma，材料、能源和运输是我的专长。
Have you not seen any educated person with a blue collar? Please make a visit to a refinery, all working staff there wear blue collar, even engineers get their collars dirty by the end of the day.
If we achieved 100% High school education. Everybody who passed high school will not become Bureaucrat or Doctor, depending upon their interest and market conditions they will plan the rest of the life. But high school education will give abilities to analyze what is good for them and what is bad for them, farmer with high school education can also read literature familirize with new trends in farming, effects of pesticides and fertilizers, whereas illiterate farmer need to depend on government for everything, he don't even know how to claim for insurance. Frankly by educating all of our citizens, government can reduce some burden.
The question is on assumption that most of the blue/ grey collar jobs are for illiterates, which is wrong. basic education and literacy is must for the safety of the personnel and plant in industries like refineries.
Let give you an another prospective, all engineering graduates in India are doing WHITE collar jobs? Most of them yes.
Indian IT industry is service oriented, I know many programs who simply do a job of typewriters, what do you call that job as?
100% literacy rate does not effect industrial production or our manufacturing, in fact it gives lot of advantages for citizens, they will be able to read and upxe themselves, they will rightly choose whom to vote, and many more.
你没见过受过教育的蓝领工人吗？请参观一家炼油厂，那里所有的工作人员都是蓝领工人，甚至工程师一天下来也会把他们的衣领弄脏
假设我们实现了100%的高中教育。不可能每个通过高中教育的人都会选择做官或医生，这取决于他们的兴趣和市场条件，他们将计划余生。但是高中教育将使他们有能力分析什么对他们有利，什么对他们不利。受过高中教育的农民也可以阅读文学作品，了解农业的新趋势、农药和化肥的影响，而文盲农民则需要一切依靠政府，他甚至不知道如何申请保险。坦率地说，通过教育我们所有的公民，政府可以减轻一些负担。
问题在于假设大多数蓝领/灰领工作是为文盲提供的，这是错误的。基础教育和知识对于炼油厂等行业的人员和工厂的安全至关重要。
让我给你另一个预期，印度所有工程专业的毕业生都在做白领工作?大部分都是
印度IT行业是以服务为导向的，我知道很多程序只是做打字机的工作，你把那工作叫做什么？
100%的识字率不会影响工业生产或我们的制造业，事实上，这给公民带来了很多好处，他们将能够阅读和提升自己，他们将正确地选择投票人，等等。
If we achieved 100% High school education. Everybody who passed high school will not become Bureaucrat or Doctor, depending upon their interest and market conditions they will plan the rest of the life. But high school education will give abilities to analyze what is good for them and what is bad for them, farmer with high school education can also read literature familirize with new trends in farming, effects of pesticides and fertilizers, whereas illiterate farmer need to depend on government for everything, he don't even know how to claim for insurance. Frankly by educating all of our citizens, government can reduce some burden.
The question is on assumption that most of the blue/ grey collar jobs are for illiterates, which is wrong. basic education and literacy is must for the safety of the personnel and plant in industries like refineries.
Let give you an another prospective, all engineering graduates in India are doing WHITE collar jobs? Most of them yes.
Indian IT industry is service oriented, I know many programs who simply do a job of typewriters, what do you call that job as?
100% literacy rate does not effect industrial production or our manufacturing, in fact it gives lot of advantages for citizens, they will be able to read and upxe themselves, they will rightly choose whom to vote, and many more.
你没见过受过教育的蓝领工人吗？请参观一家炼油厂，那里所有的工作人员都是蓝领工人，甚至工程师一天下来也会把他们的衣领弄脏
假设我们实现了100%的高中教育。不可能每个通过高中教育的人都会选择做官或医生，这取决于他们的兴趣和市场条件，他们将计划余生。但是高中教育将使他们有能力分析什么对他们有利，什么对他们不利。受过高中教育的农民也可以阅读文学作品，了解农业的新趋势、农药和化肥的影响，而文盲农民则需要一切依靠政府，他甚至不知道如何申请保险。坦率地说，通过教育我们所有的公民，政府可以减轻一些负担。
问题在于假设大多数蓝领/灰领工作是为文盲提供的，这是错误的。基础教育和知识对于炼油厂等行业的人员和工厂的安全至关重要。
让我给你另一个预期，印度所有工程专业的毕业生都在做白领工作?大部分都是
印度IT行业是以服务为导向的，我知道很多程序只是做打字机的工作，你把那工作叫做什么？
100%的识字率不会影响工业生产或我们的制造业，事实上，这给公民带来了很多好处，他们将能够阅读和提升自己，他们将正确地选择投票人，等等。
Anna Butler
It seems an educated person would prefer a white collar job over a laborious job,
Not necessarily so. I have a brother with an IQ of 137 (who won dux at his school on several occasions) who has chosen to be a builder. He loves working outdoors and having something tangible to show for his efforts at the end of the day. The idea of working at a white-collar desk job is abhorrent to him - regardless of his education, literacy skills or IQ.
My father is much the same... highly intelligent and capable, but he's always preferred manual labour (mainly farming and mining) to white-collar work. I think he gets immense satisfaction from doing what he would call "an honest day's work".
I'm sure they're not the only literate, educated, intelligent people that would not prefer a white-collar job.
一个受过教育的人似乎更喜欢白领工作而不是辛苦的工作；
不一定如此。我有一个智商为137的兄弟（他在学校多次获得最佳学习标兵称号），他选择成为一名建筑工人。他喜欢在户外工作，在一天结束时展示一些有形的东西来证明自己努力工作。无论他的教育程度、识字能力或智商如何，从事白领工作的想法对他来说都是不愉快的。
我的父亲也是同样如此。他聪明能干，但与白领工作相比，他更喜欢体力劳动（主要是农业和采矿业）。我认为他从他所谓的“诚实的一天的工作”中获得了巨大的满足感。
我相信他们不是唯一一个不喜欢白领工作的有文化、受过教育、聪明的人。
It seems an educated person would prefer a white collar job over a laborious job,
Not necessarily so. I have a brother with an IQ of 137 (who won dux at his school on several occasions) who has chosen to be a builder. He loves working outdoors and having something tangible to show for his efforts at the end of the day. The idea of working at a white-collar desk job is abhorrent to him - regardless of his education, literacy skills or IQ.
My father is much the same... highly intelligent and capable, but he's always preferred manual labour (mainly farming and mining) to white-collar work. I think he gets immense satisfaction from doing what he would call "an honest day's work".
I'm sure they're not the only literate, educated, intelligent people that would not prefer a white-collar job.
一个受过教育的人似乎更喜欢白领工作而不是辛苦的工作；
不一定如此。我有一个智商为137的兄弟（他在学校多次获得最佳学习标兵称号），他选择成为一名建筑工人。他喜欢在户外工作，在一天结束时展示一些有形的东西来证明自己努力工作。无论他的教育程度、识字能力或智商如何，从事白领工作的想法对他来说都是不愉快的。
我的父亲也是同样如此。他聪明能干，但与白领工作相比，他更喜欢体力劳动（主要是农业和采矿业）。我认为他从他所谓的“诚实的一天的工作”中获得了巨大的满足感。
我相信他们不是唯一一个不喜欢白领工作的有文化、受过教育、聪明的人。
Joe Pepersack, Enterprise Architect specializing in Big Data (2006-present)
Joe Pepersack，专注于大数据的企业架构师（2006年至今）
Joe Pepersack，专注于大数据的企业架构师（2006年至今）
Turn the question around, why would any amount of illiteracy be a positive thing?
Let's say you're a subsistence-level farmer. If you are literate you can:
Read books about how to improve your farming techniques
Read the instructions on fertilizer and pesticides so you can use them safely and effectively
Read the newspaper to get the weather forecast, market reports for the crops you sell, and all sorts of other information that has a direct bearing on your quality of life
把问题转过来，为什么存在一定程度比率的文盲是一件有建设性的事情？
假设你是一个自给自足的农民。如果你识字，你可以：
阅读有关如何改进耕作技术的书籍；
阅读肥料和杀虫剂的使用说明，以便安全有效地使用它们；
阅读报纸以获得天气预报情况、你出售的作物的市场报告以及与你的生活质量直接相关的各种其他信息。
Let's say you're a subsistence-level farmer. If you are literate you can:
Read books about how to improve your farming techniques
Read the instructions on fertilizer and pesticides so you can use them safely and effectively
Read the newspaper to get the weather forecast, market reports for the crops you sell, and all sorts of other information that has a direct bearing on your quality of life
把问题转过来，为什么存在一定程度比率的文盲是一件有建设性的事情？
假设你是一个自给自足的农民。如果你识字，你可以：
阅读有关如何改进耕作技术的书籍；
阅读肥料和杀虫剂的使用说明，以便安全有效地使用它们；
阅读报纸以获得天气预报情况、你出售的作物的市场报告以及与你的生活质量直接相关的各种其他信息。
Krishanu Karmakar, Gourmand, Researcher of Fiscal Policy.
库曼，财政政策研究员
库曼，财政政策研究员
Well, where should I even begin to answer this question? Ok let's see. Which countries have close to 100% literacy? Finland, Luxembourg, Norway, and several other countries have 100% literacy. Several countries in Central Asia have above 99% literacy as well. Now tell me please, in which of these countries did the economy break down because everyone wanted only the white collar jobs? And remember none of these countries are like USA which has supply of labour of different education levels from other countries. Therefore the basic premise of the question is simply wrong. Just plain wrong.
Now, this question also betrays a really sad misunderstanding of what jobs require and what 100% literacy means. First literacy does not mean 'educated' - that is another goal that any democratic government should have. But that is a different story. Just because everyone shall learn to read and write does not mean everyone will be educated and qualified enough for white collar jobs. To achieve that level of qualification will require much more personal effort and investment than just becoming functionally literate so that everyone can perform their regular activities (writing a letter and posting is properly, making calculations, writing a cheque, filling in a form or writing an application, reading a form before signing it) without the help of others.
There are several misunderstanding about a correct education system, the functioning of the economy in the question, but right now I do not have time to address each of them. Some answers written already have addressed them quite well.
The perfect literacy rate is 100% without any condition. period.
那么，我应该从哪里开始回答这个问题呢？让我看看。哪些国家的识字率接近100%？芬兰、卢森堡、挪威和其他几个国家的识字率为100%。中亚一些国家的识字率也超过99%。现在请告诉我，在这些国家中，哪个国家的经济崩溃是因为每个人都只想要白领工作？请记住，这些国家中没有一个像美国那样拥有来自其他国家的受不同教育水平的劳动力。因此，这个问题的基本前提是错误的，完全错了。
现在，这个问题也暴露了出对工作需要方面非常可悲的误解，100%识字意味着什么。首先，识字并不意味着“受过教育”，这是任何民主政府都应该实现的另一个目标。但这是一个不同的主题。仅仅因为每个人都应该学习阅读和写作，并不意味着每个人都会受到教育，都能胜任白领工作。要达到这一资格水平，需要更多的个人努力和投资，而不仅仅是会识字，这样每个人都可以在没有别人的帮助情况下进行日常活动（正确地写信和发帖、做计算、写支票、填写表格或写申请表、在签字前阅读表格）。
在这个问题上，人们对正确的教育制度和经济运行存在着一些误解，但现在我没有时间逐一阐述。一些答复已经很好地解决了这些问题。
在任何时期、任何条件下，完美的情况都是识字率为100%。
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Now, this question also betrays a really sad misunderstanding of what jobs require and what 100% literacy means. First literacy does not mean 'educated' - that is another goal that any democratic government should have. But that is a different story. Just because everyone shall learn to read and write does not mean everyone will be educated and qualified enough for white collar jobs. To achieve that level of qualification will require much more personal effort and investment than just becoming functionally literate so that everyone can perform their regular activities (writing a letter and posting is properly, making calculations, writing a cheque, filling in a form or writing an application, reading a form before signing it) without the help of others.
There are several misunderstanding about a correct education system, the functioning of the economy in the question, but right now I do not have time to address each of them. Some answers written already have addressed them quite well.
The perfect literacy rate is 100% without any condition. period.
那么，我应该从哪里开始回答这个问题呢？让我看看。哪些国家的识字率接近100%？芬兰、卢森堡、挪威和其他几个国家的识字率为100%。中亚一些国家的识字率也超过99%。现在请告诉我，在这些国家中，哪个国家的经济崩溃是因为每个人都只想要白领工作？请记住，这些国家中没有一个像美国那样拥有来自其他国家的受不同教育水平的劳动力。因此，这个问题的基本前提是错误的，完全错了。
现在，这个问题也暴露了出对工作需要方面非常可悲的误解，100%识字意味着什么。首先，识字并不意味着“受过教育”，这是任何民主政府都应该实现的另一个目标。但这是一个不同的主题。仅仅因为每个人都应该学习阅读和写作，并不意味着每个人都会受到教育，都能胜任白领工作。要达到这一资格水平，需要更多的个人努力和投资，而不仅仅是会识字，这样每个人都可以在没有别人的帮助情况下进行日常活动（正确地写信和发帖、做计算、写支票、填写表格或写申请表、在签字前阅读表格）。
在这个问题上，人们对正确的教育制度和经济运行存在着一些误解，但现在我没有时间逐一阐述。一些答复已经很好地解决了这些问题。
在任何时期、任何条件下，完美的情况都是识字率为100%。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
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