为什么乌克兰不被认为是欧洲的主要军事力量，尽管它在欧洲有非常庞大的军队?
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Why is Ukraine not considered a major military power in Europe although it has a very large military in Europe?
为什么乌克兰不被认为是欧洲的主要军事力量，尽管它在欧洲有非常庞大的军队?
Why is Ukraine not considered a major military power in Europe although it has a very large military in Europe?
为什么乌克兰不被认为是欧洲的主要军事力量，尽管它在欧洲有非常庞大的军队?
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图片：乌克兰亚速营是有一些新纳粹主义者和白人至上主义者组成
当时乌克兰国内掀起了翻案风，二战时期投降德军的民族主义分子成为了英雄，因此新纳粹思潮一度成为摆在明面上的“英雄主义”“爱国主义”。有传言亚速营曾经屠杀过平民。）
图：阿富汗前政府军
乌克兰就是欧洲的阿富汗，乌克兰军队有点像阿富汗军队。由美国教官训练，据称有数百辆坦克和直升机，还有数十万现役人员。然而如果生命受到严重威胁的话，他们会四散奔逃。
只需要一瞬间就能明白他们有多强大。乌克兰军队正在经历5.45毫米和7.62毫米弹药的主要步兵武器短缺。你知道为什么吗?因为乌克兰唯一的弹药厂在卢甘斯克，现在它在敌人的领土上。他们在2014年前就卖掉了苏联时期的巨额储备。
你认为一个据称与俄罗斯交战了7年的国家会建造一座弹药厂吗？该死的没有！正如他们所说，他们在打仗，军队没有足够的弹药，他们依然没有建立弹药工厂！整整7年！！
152毫米口径的炮弹也是如此。唯一的不同是，他们至少尝试过，尽管这些炮弹无法使用，它们在到达地面之前就爆炸了，或者根本没有爆炸。
对军事关键问题持这种态度的国家，怎么能有强大的军队呢?毫无可能。
John Gagnon
Ukraine has a sizeable and tested military, larger than many NATO countries.
Their military has benefitted from teaching by NATO trainers and the acquisition of military hardware from western nations. Canadian army troops stationed in Ukraine have taught their soldiers on combined arms techniques and the use of anti-tank weapons.
Ukraine has a significant arms industry. They have retrofitted T-64’s and T-80’s to modern standards and beyond.
However, they lack any defense arrangement or treaties with neighboring countries. Should the Russians launch a blitzkrieg on the eastern border, the Ukraine military would be alone and hard-pressed to withstand the might of the Russian military. The Russians have carried on a campaign of cyber attacks against government and infrastructure sites, which could precede any attack.
The blitzkrieg may be successful in the end, but the Russians are going to lose a significant number of troops and tanks. It will not play well at home.
乌克兰拥有一支规模可观且久经考验的军队，规模超过许多北约国家。
他们的军队受益于北约培训师的教学，以及从西方国家购买军事装备。驻扎在乌克兰的加拿大军队向他们的士兵传授了联合武器技术和反坦克武器的使用。
乌克兰拥有庞大的军火工业。他们对T-64和T-80进行了改造，使之达到现代标准甚至更高。
然而，他们没有任何防御安排或与邻国的条约。如果俄罗斯在东部边境发动闪电战，乌克兰军队将孤军作战，难以抵挡俄罗斯军队的力量。
俄罗斯人对政府和基础设施进行了网络攻击，这可能是任何物理攻击之前的行动。闪电战最终可能会成功，但俄国人将失去大量的军队和坦克。它在主场不会有好表现。
Ukraine has a sizeable and tested military, larger than many NATO countries.
Their military has benefitted from teaching by NATO trainers and the acquisition of military hardware from western nations. Canadian army troops stationed in Ukraine have taught their soldiers on combined arms techniques and the use of anti-tank weapons.
Ukraine has a significant arms industry. They have retrofitted T-64’s and T-80’s to modern standards and beyond.
However, they lack any defense arrangement or treaties with neighboring countries. Should the Russians launch a blitzkrieg on the eastern border, the Ukraine military would be alone and hard-pressed to withstand the might of the Russian military. The Russians have carried on a campaign of cyber attacks against government and infrastructure sites, which could precede any attack.
The blitzkrieg may be successful in the end, but the Russians are going to lose a significant number of troops and tanks. It will not play well at home.
乌克兰拥有一支规模可观且久经考验的军队，规模超过许多北约国家。
他们的军队受益于北约培训师的教学，以及从西方国家购买军事装备。驻扎在乌克兰的加拿大军队向他们的士兵传授了联合武器技术和反坦克武器的使用。
乌克兰拥有庞大的军火工业。他们对T-64和T-80进行了改造，使之达到现代标准甚至更高。
然而，他们没有任何防御安排或与邻国的条约。如果俄罗斯在东部边境发动闪电战，乌克兰军队将孤军作战，难以抵挡俄罗斯军队的力量。
俄罗斯人对政府和基础设施进行了网络攻击，这可能是任何物理攻击之前的行动。闪电战最终可能会成功，但俄国人将失去大量的军队和坦克。它在主场不会有好表现。
Fernando
When it comes to fighting techniques I think it is the other way around. It is the Ukrainians who can teach the Canadians. The Canadians may be better suited for medical, logistics and such.
当涉及到战斗技巧时，我认为应该反过来。
乌克兰人可以教授加拿大人。加拿大人可能更适合医疗、后勤等方面的工作。
When it comes to fighting techniques I think it is the other way around. It is the Ukrainians who can teach the Canadians. The Canadians may be better suited for medical, logistics and such.
当涉及到战斗技巧时，我认为应该反过来。
乌克兰人可以教授加拿大人。加拿大人可能更适合医疗、后勤等方面的工作。
Gareth Jones
With no disrespect meant to the Ukrainians, I’d like to point out that Canadians did just spend a decade in combat in Afghanistan. They probably picked up a few pointers there.
我无意冒犯乌克兰人，我想指出加拿大人确实在阿富汗战斗了十年。他们可能在那里学到了一些东西。
With no disrespect meant to the Ukrainians, I’d like to point out that Canadians did just spend a decade in combat in Afghanistan. They probably picked up a few pointers there.
我无意冒犯乌克兰人，我想指出加拿大人确实在阿富汗战斗了十年。他们可能在那里学到了一些东西。
Stephen
Not just this, the Ukrainian armed forces was actually practically non-existent prior to the 2014 Crimea and Donbas crisis. After that the massive expansion it underwent subjected it to crucial training provided almost exclusively by outside sources, including a lot of Canadian armed forces trainers.
As a side note some of the Ukrainians trained by Canadian troops were the Azov Battalion. Hardly real soldiers by any stretch of the imagination and largely only useful in the low intensity conflict we see right now. To say nothing of the other very significant controversies such a unit might draw.
不仅如此，在2014年克里米亚和顿巴斯危机之前，乌克兰武装部队实际上是不存在的。在大规模扩张之后，它接受了几乎完全由外部来源提供的关键训练，包括许多加拿大武装部队训练人员。
顺便提一下，加拿大军队训练的一些乌克兰人曾是亚速营的人。不管怎么评判，这群人几乎都不是真正的士兵，基本上只在我们现在看到的低强度冲突中有用。更不用提这样一个单位可能引起的其他重大争议了。
（注：亚速营，成立于1982年，当时是乌克兰境内一个名叫“82教派”的极端组织，主要思想就是宣扬新纳粹思想和将乌克兰从苏联中分离出来。苏联时期遭到苏联政府和乌克兰政府的打压，一时隐匿起来。2014年，随着俄乌关系的激化，乌克兰政府开始重用该组织，甚至在当年11月将亚速营纳入乌克兰国民警卫队。2015年，乌克兰获得美国的军事援助和培训，但美国众议院专门通过法案，禁止任何援助（包括武器和训练）给予有新纳粹背景的组织。
Not just this, the Ukrainian armed forces was actually practically non-existent prior to the 2014 Crimea and Donbas crisis. After that the massive expansion it underwent subjected it to crucial training provided almost exclusively by outside sources, including a lot of Canadian armed forces trainers.
As a side note some of the Ukrainians trained by Canadian troops were the Azov Battalion. Hardly real soldiers by any stretch of the imagination and largely only useful in the low intensity conflict we see right now. To say nothing of the other very significant controversies such a unit might draw.
不仅如此，在2014年克里米亚和顿巴斯危机之前，乌克兰武装部队实际上是不存在的。在大规模扩张之后，它接受了几乎完全由外部来源提供的关键训练，包括许多加拿大武装部队训练人员。
顺便提一下，加拿大军队训练的一些乌克兰人曾是亚速营的人。不管怎么评判，这群人几乎都不是真正的士兵，基本上只在我们现在看到的低强度冲突中有用。更不用提这样一个单位可能引起的其他重大争议了。
（注：亚速营，成立于1982年，当时是乌克兰境内一个名叫“82教派”的极端组织，主要思想就是宣扬新纳粹思想和将乌克兰从苏联中分离出来。苏联时期遭到苏联政府和乌克兰政府的打压，一时隐匿起来。2014年，随着俄乌关系的激化，乌克兰政府开始重用该组织，甚至在当年11月将亚速营纳入乌克兰国民警卫队。2015年，乌克兰获得美国的军事援助和培训，但美国众议院专门通过法案，禁止任何援助（包括武器和训练）给予有新纳粹背景的组织。
图片：乌克兰亚速营是有一些新纳粹主义者和白人至上主义者组成
当时乌克兰国内掀起了翻案风，二战时期投降德军的民族主义分子成为了英雄，因此新纳粹思潮一度成为摆在明面上的“英雄主义”“爱国主义”。有传言亚速营曾经屠杀过平民。）
Dmitry Gukov
Also, open neonazis. Says a lot about the Canadian authorities who ordered this
又开始开放新纳粹份子了，很能说明下命令的加拿大当局是个什么货色。
Also, open neonazis. Says a lot about the Canadian authorities who ordered this
又开始开放新纳粹份子了，很能说明下命令的加拿大当局是个什么货色。
Oleksiy Kuts
Much easier to find Nazi regime in your own country, russian commenter. And stop making this bullshit about neonazi in Ukraine. Nobody believes you (as a country) any more. There is a list of preconditions nowdays russia perfectly fits to which defines what nazi are.
For occupation of Crimea and making war on Donbass (and braking constantly Minsk agreement) Russia gets international sanctions. Which are being prolongated each half of the year. So United Nations, European unx only by that showing its showing its attitude to russian neo nazi regim in Kremlin.
So keep trying… this lie is to be consummed only internally within russia border
在你自己的国家更容易找到纳粹政权，俄罗斯评论家。别再说乌克兰的新纳粹这种废话了。
没有人再相信你(作为一个国家)了。现在的俄罗斯完全符合一系列定义纳粹的先决条件。
由于占领克里米亚和对顿巴斯发动战争(并不断阻挠明斯克协议)，俄罗斯受到了国际制裁。每半年延长一次。联合国，欧盟通过这表明了它对克里姆林宫的俄罗斯新纳粹政权的态度。
所以继续努力吧，这个谎言只会在俄罗斯境内被揭穿。
Much easier to find Nazi regime in your own country, russian commenter. And stop making this bullshit about neonazi in Ukraine. Nobody believes you (as a country) any more. There is a list of preconditions nowdays russia perfectly fits to which defines what nazi are.
For occupation of Crimea and making war on Donbass (and braking constantly Minsk agreement) Russia gets international sanctions. Which are being prolongated each half of the year. So United Nations, European unx only by that showing its showing its attitude to russian neo nazi regim in Kremlin.
So keep trying… this lie is to be consummed only internally within russia border
在你自己的国家更容易找到纳粹政权，俄罗斯评论家。别再说乌克兰的新纳粹这种废话了。
没有人再相信你(作为一个国家)了。现在的俄罗斯完全符合一系列定义纳粹的先决条件。
由于占领克里米亚和对顿巴斯发动战争(并不断阻挠明斯克协议)，俄罗斯受到了国际制裁。每半年延长一次。联合国，欧盟通过这表明了它对克里姆林宫的俄罗斯新纳粹政权的态度。
所以继续努力吧，这个谎言只会在俄罗斯境内被揭穿。
John Garnet
Nice try at deflection but it’s a well known historical fact that a large number of Ukrainians welcomed the Nazis as liberators and were amongst the most enthusiastic executioners of the holocaust. No doubt the Azov Battalion longs for the ‘good old days’ of 1941–44 and the fact that these people have any influence at all in Ukraine today tells you all you need to know about the current state of Ukrainian society. You better hope Zelensky doesn’t provoke Russia into invading because it will end badly for Ukraine as they’ll annihilate you and your country will be carved up with the ethnically Russian areas joining Russia.
这是一个众所周知的历史事实，大量乌克兰人欢迎纳粹作为他们的解放者，是大屠杀中最热情的刽子手之一。
毫无疑问，亚速营渴望1941-44年的“美好旧时光”， 这些人在今天的乌克兰拥有影响力的事实，告诉了你你需要知道的关于乌克兰社会现状的一切。
你最好希望泽连斯基不要激怒俄罗斯入侵，因为那样乌克兰会很惨，因为他们会消灭你。你的国家将被瓜分，俄罗斯民族地区将加入俄罗斯。
Nice try at deflection but it’s a well known historical fact that a large number of Ukrainians welcomed the Nazis as liberators and were amongst the most enthusiastic executioners of the holocaust. No doubt the Azov Battalion longs for the ‘good old days’ of 1941–44 and the fact that these people have any influence at all in Ukraine today tells you all you need to know about the current state of Ukrainian society. You better hope Zelensky doesn’t provoke Russia into invading because it will end badly for Ukraine as they’ll annihilate you and your country will be carved up with the ethnically Russian areas joining Russia.
这是一个众所周知的历史事实，大量乌克兰人欢迎纳粹作为他们的解放者，是大屠杀中最热情的刽子手之一。
毫无疑问，亚速营渴望1941-44年的“美好旧时光”， 这些人在今天的乌克兰拥有影响力的事实，告诉了你你需要知道的关于乌克兰社会现状的一切。
你最好希望泽连斯基不要激怒俄罗斯入侵，因为那样乌克兰会很惨，因为他们会消灭你。你的国家将被瓜分，俄罗斯民族地区将加入俄罗斯。
Oleksiy Kuts
It's nothing than just a subjective opinion of John Garnet which for some reason coincides with russian propaganda. Not a well-known fact like you mentioned. Everything related to nazi in Ukraine is prohibited. So don't lie.
Regarding great russian military force. Of couse I would pray for old fart Putin did not decide to invade and he does not need Zelenskiy for it (Donbass, Crimea). But in case it happens I doubt your russia will easily won Ukraine. Very doubt. Russia did not succeed even in much smaller Chechnia. So… its a wet dreams and propoganda opinion of russian powerfull military. Try and will see…
这只不过是你的主观看法，出于某种原因，这与俄罗斯的宣传是一致的。你提到的不是众所周知的事实。在乌克兰，一切与纳粹有关的东西都是被禁止的。所以不要说谎。
至于俄罗斯强大的军事力量。当然，我会祈祷普京这个老家伙没有决定入侵，也希望泽连斯基别乱来(克里米亚的顿巴斯)。
但如果发生这种情况，我怀疑你的俄罗斯是否能轻易赢得乌克兰。严重怀疑。甚至在面积小得多的车臣，俄罗斯也没有取得成功。所以，这是一场美梦，是对俄罗斯强大军事力量的宣传。
试试看就知道了……
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It's nothing than just a subjective opinion of John Garnet which for some reason coincides with russian propaganda. Not a well-known fact like you mentioned. Everything related to nazi in Ukraine is prohibited. So don't lie.
Regarding great russian military force. Of couse I would pray for old fart Putin did not decide to invade and he does not need Zelenskiy for it (Donbass, Crimea). But in case it happens I doubt your russia will easily won Ukraine. Very doubt. Russia did not succeed even in much smaller Chechnia. So… its a wet dreams and propoganda opinion of russian powerfull military. Try and will see…
这只不过是你的主观看法，出于某种原因，这与俄罗斯的宣传是一致的。你提到的不是众所周知的事实。在乌克兰，一切与纳粹有关的东西都是被禁止的。所以不要说谎。
至于俄罗斯强大的军事力量。当然，我会祈祷普京这个老家伙没有决定入侵，也希望泽连斯基别乱来(克里米亚的顿巴斯)。
但如果发生这种情况，我怀疑你的俄罗斯是否能轻易赢得乌克兰。严重怀疑。甚至在面积小得多的车臣，俄罗斯也没有取得成功。所以，这是一场美梦，是对俄罗斯强大军事力量的宣传。
试试看就知道了……
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Sergey Belikh
Any attack against Ukraine from east would trigger response from Ukr and NATO, it may end up in big military conflict like Vietnam or even WW3. such attack so far does not show any sign of benefits. Except taking Ukraine, which is badly corrupt and Nazi minded nation trying to survive on the outskirts of EU. The country does not have a lot of minerals resources and most of USSR factories are ruined.
任何针对乌克兰东部的攻击都会引起乌克兰和北约的反应，可能会导致像越南战争甚至第三次世界大战那样的大规模军事冲突。到目前为止，这种攻击还没有显示出任何好处的迹象。除了拿下乌克兰，这个严重腐败、有纳粹思想的国家正试图在欧盟外围生存。
这个国家没有太多矿产资源，大部分苏联工厂都被毁了。
Any attack against Ukraine from east would trigger response from Ukr and NATO, it may end up in big military conflict like Vietnam or even WW3. such attack so far does not show any sign of benefits. Except taking Ukraine, which is badly corrupt and Nazi minded nation trying to survive on the outskirts of EU. The country does not have a lot of minerals resources and most of USSR factories are ruined.
任何针对乌克兰东部的攻击都会引起乌克兰和北约的反应，可能会导致像越南战争甚至第三次世界大战那样的大规模军事冲突。到目前为止，这种攻击还没有显示出任何好处的迹象。除了拿下乌克兰，这个严重腐败、有纳粹思想的国家正试图在欧盟外围生存。
这个国家没有太多矿产资源，大部分苏联工厂都被毁了。
Halyna Traversa
You must be a Russian troll - if Ukraine is Nazi-minded, how come it has already had a Jewish prime minister (under Poroshenko), and elected a Jewish president, Zelensky, by a landslide 73% vote? And the far-right party got less than 1% of the vote for parliament, a lot less than what you see today in France and the UK, and not to mention what is going on today in Austria, Hungary and even Poland. As for corruption - look in your own country, Russia - pretty corrupt.
你一定是俄罗斯的喷子——如果乌克兰有纳粹思想，为什么它会有一位犹太人总理(在波罗申科的领导下)，并以压倒性的73%的选票选举出了一个犹太人总统泽连斯基?
极右翼政党在议会中获得了不到1%的选票，远远低于你今天在法国和英国看到的情况，更不用说今天在奥地利、匈牙利甚至波兰所发生的事情了。
至于腐败——看看你自己的国家，俄罗斯——够腐败了。
You must be a Russian troll - if Ukraine is Nazi-minded, how come it has already had a Jewish prime minister (under Poroshenko), and elected a Jewish president, Zelensky, by a landslide 73% vote? And the far-right party got less than 1% of the vote for parliament, a lot less than what you see today in France and the UK, and not to mention what is going on today in Austria, Hungary and even Poland. As for corruption - look in your own country, Russia - pretty corrupt.
你一定是俄罗斯的喷子——如果乌克兰有纳粹思想，为什么它会有一位犹太人总理(在波罗申科的领导下)，并以压倒性的73%的选票选举出了一个犹太人总统泽连斯基?
极右翼政党在议会中获得了不到1%的选票，远远低于你今天在法国和英国看到的情况，更不用说今天在奥地利、匈牙利甚至波兰所发生的事情了。
至于腐败——看看你自己的国家，俄罗斯——够腐败了。
John Chloromov
Why did some of wealthiest Jews finance Hitler and the German war machine?
为什么一些最富有的犹太人要资助希特勒和德国的战争机器?
Why did some of wealthiest Jews finance Hitler and the German war machine?
为什么一些最富有的犹太人要资助希特勒和德国的战争机器?
Janus Joz
Treaties only work with partners that you can count on. Ask Poland how treaty with British and France had helped them in 1939. Germany was wide open on the western “front”, with French and British watching for weeks what is going to happen to poor Poland. So much for the “treat”.
条约只对你可以信赖的伙伴起作用。问问波兰，1939年与英法签订的条约对他们有何帮助。在德国的西部边境线大开的情况下，法国和英国数周以来一直眼睁睁看着可怜的波兰发生的事情。
这就是所谓的“条约”。
Treaties only work with partners that you can count on. Ask Poland how treaty with British and France had helped them in 1939. Germany was wide open on the western “front”, with French and British watching for weeks what is going to happen to poor Poland. So much for the “treat”.
条约只对你可以信赖的伙伴起作用。问问波兰，1939年与英法签订的条约对他们有何帮助。在德国的西部边境线大开的情况下，法国和英国数周以来一直眼睁睁看着可怜的波兰发生的事情。
这就是所谓的“条约”。
Sergiy Gryshko
Not just that. Ukrainian military has been undergoing significant reforms and rearmament which have significantly improved Ukraine’s defends capabilities. Ukraine has recently completed tests of new land-to-land Villa missiles and Neptun anti-ship cruise missiles. Also, Ukraine has put in operation Bayraktar TB-2, Turkish made assault drones, which performed very well in the recent Karabakh war. Enjoy the footage.
乌克兰军队一直在进行重大改革和重整军备，这大大提高了乌克兰的防御能力。
乌克兰最近完成了新型地对地Villa导弹和海王星反舰巡航导弹的测试。此外，乌克兰还投入了土耳其制造的Bayraktar TB-2无人攻击机，在最近的卡拉巴赫战争中表现非常好。
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Not just that. Ukrainian military has been undergoing significant reforms and rearmament which have significantly improved Ukraine’s defends capabilities. Ukraine has recently completed tests of new land-to-land Villa missiles and Neptun anti-ship cruise missiles. Also, Ukraine has put in operation Bayraktar TB-2, Turkish made assault drones, which performed very well in the recent Karabakh war. Enjoy the footage.
乌克兰军队一直在进行重大改革和重整军备，这大大提高了乌克兰的防御能力。
乌克兰最近完成了新型地对地Villa导弹和海王星反舰巡航导弹的测试。此外，乌克兰还投入了土耳其制造的Bayraktar TB-2无人攻击机，在最近的卡拉巴赫战争中表现非常好。
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Vu Nguyen Xuan Hoang
I think Ukraina now only a shadow of what it was 30 years ago.After few decades of corruption government,they sold everything they have.Even most of those engineers they take from Soviet are taken away by China with better job and salary.I don’t believe they can recover they military industry to Soviet era level in this condition
我认为乌克兰现在只是30年前的一个影子。经过几十年的政府腐败，他们变卖了他们所有的东西。
甚至他们从苏联带走的大多数工程师都被中国带走了，他们（在中国）有更好的工作和薪水。我不相信在这种情况下他们能把他们的军事工业恢复到苏联时代的水平。
I think Ukraina now only a shadow of what it was 30 years ago.After few decades of corruption government,they sold everything they have.Even most of those engineers they take from Soviet are taken away by China with better job and salary.I don’t believe they can recover they military industry to Soviet era level in this condition
我认为乌克兰现在只是30年前的一个影子。经过几十年的政府腐败，他们变卖了他们所有的东西。
甚至他们从苏联带走的大多数工程师都被中国带走了，他们（在中国）有更好的工作和薪水。我不相信在这种情况下他们能把他们的军事工业恢复到苏联时代的水平。
Sergiy Gryshko
Ukraine may be a shadow of what it was 30 years ago but it is definitely in a much better military shape than 5 years ago. And the capacity building is going on. It is going to be a very powerful country soon unless some black swan intervenes.
乌克兰可能是30年前的影子，但它的军事形态肯定比5年前要好得多。能力建设正在进行中。
除非有黑天鹅介入，否则它很快就会成为一个非常强大的国家。
Ukraine may be a shadow of what it was 30 years ago but it is definitely in a much better military shape than 5 years ago. And the capacity building is going on. It is going to be a very powerful country soon unless some black swan intervenes.
乌克兰可能是30年前的影子，但它的军事形态肯定比5年前要好得多。能力建设正在进行中。
除非有黑天鹅介入，否则它很快就会成为一个非常强大的国家。
Vu Nguyen Xuan Hoang
I don’t think this progress will be able in at least few decades.Modern military industry requires a lot of high education worker and engineers,which Ukraina lack due to corruption government,unstable politics conditions and economic downturn.They also don’t have enough money to build up entire industry system what they lack after collapse of USSR.Most part of high-tech industry products was assembled in Ukraina when USSR still around were created by factories in Russia and other nations.
For summary,it sounds impossible like a Baltic country want to build entire Airbus production line with they own capacity
我认为这种进步至少在几十年内是无法实现的。现代军事工业需要大量受过高等教育的工人和工程师，而乌克兰由于政府腐败、政治环境不稳定和经济低迷而缺乏这些人才。他们也没有足够的钱来建立整个工业体系，这是他们在苏联解体后所缺乏的。苏联还存在的时候，大部分高科技工业产品都是在乌克兰组装的，由俄罗斯和其他国家的工厂制造。
总之，一个波罗的海国家想要用自己的能力建造整个空客生产线，这听起来是不可能的。
I don’t think this progress will be able in at least few decades.Modern military industry requires a lot of high education worker and engineers,which Ukraina lack due to corruption government,unstable politics conditions and economic downturn.They also don’t have enough money to build up entire industry system what they lack after collapse of USSR.Most part of high-tech industry products was assembled in Ukraina when USSR still around were created by factories in Russia and other nations.
For summary,it sounds impossible like a Baltic country want to build entire Airbus production line with they own capacity
我认为这种进步至少在几十年内是无法实现的。现代军事工业需要大量受过高等教育的工人和工程师，而乌克兰由于政府腐败、政治环境不稳定和经济低迷而缺乏这些人才。他们也没有足够的钱来建立整个工业体系，这是他们在苏联解体后所缺乏的。苏联还存在的时候，大部分高科技工业产品都是在乌克兰组装的，由俄罗斯和其他国家的工厂制造。
总之，一个波罗的海国家想要用自己的能力建造整个空客生产线，这听起来是不可能的。
Oleg Valerievych
It is very funny to read such bold but little grounded statements on Ukraine from a guy living thousands km from the topic and having no clue whatsoever about Ukraine’s current situation. Take my friendly advice: do not discuss topics you do not have any clue about as you look silly
读到一个住在离话题几千公里之外、对乌克兰当前局势毫无头绪的人对乌克兰发表的如此大胆但又缺乏根据的言论，真是非常有趣。
接受我友善的建议:不要讨论你毫无头绪的话题，因为你看起来很傻。
It is very funny to read such bold but little grounded statements on Ukraine from a guy living thousands km from the topic and having no clue whatsoever about Ukraine’s current situation. Take my friendly advice: do not discuss topics you do not have any clue about as you look silly
读到一个住在离话题几千公里之外、对乌克兰当前局势毫无头绪的人对乌克兰发表的如此大胆但又缺乏根据的言论，真是非常有趣。
接受我友善的建议:不要讨论你毫无头绪的话题，因为你看起来很傻。
Rostislav Lazarevič
Than what about guy that lived there for 18 years. 20k hrivna for truck with wood so that people won't freeze to death. 28 hrivna for bread. Our country is fucked up beyond recognition. Corruption is still same different faces same practices. It's nice talking about how good your country is when you in high position. But pensioners can barely survive.
那（我这个）在乌克兰住了18年的家伙呢？
面包要28赫里夫纳（乌克兰货币单位，约合人民币6块钱，2020年乌克兰人均GDP 3700美元）。想要不被冻死，需要2万赫里夫纳的一卡车木头（约合人民币4800块）。
我们的国家乱成一团，流水的领导人，铁打的腐败。当你身居高位时，谈论你的国家有多好是很光鲜，但领取养老金的人几乎无法生存。
Than what about guy that lived there for 18 years. 20k hrivna for truck with wood so that people won't freeze to death. 28 hrivna for bread. Our country is fucked up beyond recognition. Corruption is still same different faces same practices. It's nice talking about how good your country is when you in high position. But pensioners can barely survive.
那（我这个）在乌克兰住了18年的家伙呢？
面包要28赫里夫纳（乌克兰货币单位，约合人民币6块钱，2020年乌克兰人均GDP 3700美元）。想要不被冻死，需要2万赫里夫纳的一卡车木头（约合人民币4800块）。
我们的国家乱成一团，流水的领导人，铁打的腐败。当你身居高位时，谈论你的国家有多好是很光鲜，但领取养老金的人几乎无法生存。
Viktor Savin
Ukranian army… what? Major military power? Is this joke?
Look at these brave guys. This is the Ukrainian army 2021.
Ukraine is European Afghanistan. The Ukrainian army is something like the Afghan army. Trained by American instructors, allegedly hundreds of tanks and helicopters, hundreds of thousands of active personnel. But they will scatter to their hatas if there is any serious threat to their lives.
One moment to understand how strong they are. The Ukrainian army is experiencing a shortage of 5.45 mm and 7.62 mm rounds of the main infantry armament. Do you know why? Because the only ammo plant in Ukraine was in Lugansk, now it is on enemy territory. And they sold their huge reserves from Soviet times long before 2014.
Do you think a country that is allegedly at war with Russia has built an ammunition plant in 7 years? Fuck no! They at war as they say and don't have enough ammunition in the army, and they haven't built an ammunition factory! For 7 years!!!
The same story with 152 mm shells - main artilery caliber. The only difference is that here they at least tried, though these shells were so unusable that they exploded before reaching the ground or did not explode at all.
How can a country with such an attitude to key things in military affairs have a strong army? No way.
乌克兰军队……什么?主要的军事力量?这是笑话吗?
看看这些勇敢的家伙。这就是2021年的乌克兰军队。
Ukranian army… what? Major military power? Is this joke?
Look at these brave guys. This is the Ukrainian army 2021.
Ukraine is European Afghanistan. The Ukrainian army is something like the Afghan army. Trained by American instructors, allegedly hundreds of tanks and helicopters, hundreds of thousands of active personnel. But they will scatter to their hatas if there is any serious threat to their lives.
One moment to understand how strong they are. The Ukrainian army is experiencing a shortage of 5.45 mm and 7.62 mm rounds of the main infantry armament. Do you know why? Because the only ammo plant in Ukraine was in Lugansk, now it is on enemy territory. And they sold their huge reserves from Soviet times long before 2014.
Do you think a country that is allegedly at war with Russia has built an ammunition plant in 7 years? Fuck no! They at war as they say and don't have enough ammunition in the army, and they haven't built an ammunition factory! For 7 years!!!
The same story with 152 mm shells - main artilery caliber. The only difference is that here they at least tried, though these shells were so unusable that they exploded before reaching the ground or did not explode at all.
How can a country with such an attitude to key things in military affairs have a strong army? No way.
乌克兰军队……什么?主要的军事力量?这是笑话吗?
看看这些勇敢的家伙。这就是2021年的乌克兰军队。
图：阿富汗前政府军
乌克兰就是欧洲的阿富汗，乌克兰军队有点像阿富汗军队。由美国教官训练，据称有数百辆坦克和直升机，还有数十万现役人员。然而如果生命受到严重威胁的话，他们会四散奔逃。
只需要一瞬间就能明白他们有多强大。乌克兰军队正在经历5.45毫米和7.62毫米弹药的主要步兵武器短缺。你知道为什么吗?因为乌克兰唯一的弹药厂在卢甘斯克，现在它在敌人的领土上。他们在2014年前就卖掉了苏联时期的巨额储备。
你认为一个据称与俄罗斯交战了7年的国家会建造一座弹药厂吗？该死的没有！正如他们所说，他们在打仗，军队没有足够的弹药，他们依然没有建立弹药工厂！整整7年！！
152毫米口径的炮弹也是如此。唯一的不同是，他们至少尝试过，尽管这些炮弹无法使用，它们在到达地面之前就爆炸了，或者根本没有爆炸。
对军事关键问题持这种态度的国家，怎么能有强大的军队呢?毫无可能。
Yves Garret
Ukraine is a major military power in its own way. There are flaws when comparing them to the West.
Ukraine had a large pool of well trained, professional, experienced and motivated personnel. The worst equipment supply issues have been resolved. This is all good.
However, the Ukrainian military is based off of only one goal, defend the country against Russia. That’s it. Unlike Western nations, they can’t really quickly and easily deploy a substantial force abroad. The Ukrainian military industrial complex needs further reforms and funding (Ukraine can make its own missiles and even better tanks, they just need the money to do that). And corruption in the military is still a problem. Also, the lack of excellent air-defense is another glaring issue.
Right now, Ukraine has an excellent basic ability to defend itself against any and all land attacks from Russia. But more work needs to be done to properly defend the nation.
乌克兰在以自己的方式成为一个军事大国。尽管与西方相比，它也有缺陷。
乌克兰有大量训练有素、专业、经验丰富和积极主动的人员。最严重的设备供应问题已经解决。一切都很好。
乌克兰军队的目标只有一个，那就是保卫国家不受俄罗斯的侵害。就是这么回事。不像西方国家，他们不能真正快速和轻而易举地在国外部署大量军队。乌克兰军事工业联合体需要进一步的改革和资金(乌克兰可以制造自己的导弹，甚至坦克，他们只是需要钱来这么做)。军队中的腐败问题仍然存在。此外，缺乏优秀的防空系统是另一个突出的问题。
现在，乌克兰有不错的基本能力来防御来自俄罗斯的任何地面攻击。但要更好地保卫国家，还需要做更多的工作。
Ukraine is a major military power in its own way. There are flaws when comparing them to the West.
Ukraine had a large pool of well trained, professional, experienced and motivated personnel. The worst equipment supply issues have been resolved. This is all good.
However, the Ukrainian military is based off of only one goal, defend the country against Russia. That’s it. Unlike Western nations, they can’t really quickly and easily deploy a substantial force abroad. The Ukrainian military industrial complex needs further reforms and funding (Ukraine can make its own missiles and even better tanks, they just need the money to do that). And corruption in the military is still a problem. Also, the lack of excellent air-defense is another glaring issue.
Right now, Ukraine has an excellent basic ability to defend itself against any and all land attacks from Russia. But more work needs to be done to properly defend the nation.
乌克兰在以自己的方式成为一个军事大国。尽管与西方相比，它也有缺陷。
乌克兰有大量训练有素、专业、经验丰富和积极主动的人员。最严重的设备供应问题已经解决。一切都很好。
乌克兰军队的目标只有一个，那就是保卫国家不受俄罗斯的侵害。就是这么回事。不像西方国家，他们不能真正快速和轻而易举地在国外部署大量军队。乌克兰军事工业联合体需要进一步的改革和资金(乌克兰可以制造自己的导弹，甚至坦克，他们只是需要钱来这么做)。军队中的腐败问题仍然存在。此外，缺乏优秀的防空系统是另一个突出的问题。
现在，乌克兰有不错的基本能力来防御来自俄罗斯的任何地面攻击。但要更好地保卫国家，还需要做更多的工作。
Maxim Nesterenko
If Russia actually invades, it’s over.
Cut the believer nonsense.
如果俄罗斯真的入侵，一切都结束了。
别再胡说八道了。
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If Russia actually invades, it’s over.
Cut the believer nonsense.
如果俄罗斯真的入侵，一切都结束了。
别再胡说八道了。
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Amir Abella
Yeah, and that is if the western coalition of NATO doesn’t intervene.
If it does. Russia stand no chance unless it goes to the Nuclear option. In which case it’s dead either.
Both the EU and the US has an economy several times larger than Russia. If you just compare the statistics. Its just purely unwinnable for Russia.
NATO GDP: 39.9 Trillion
NATO Population: 943.1 Million
NATO GDP Per capita (Average): $42,335
NATO Military spending: 1.15 Trillion
Russia GDP: 1.483 Trillion
Russia Population: 143 Million
Russia GDP per Capita: 10.126 Trillion
Russia Military spending: 69.2 Billion.
Russia is practically outnumbered in every metric. NATO Has 35 times bigger GDP, 6 Times bigger population, A Population 6 times richer, and 16 times the Military spending than Russia. Even Just the US intervening would be a practical death sentence for Russia.
是的，如果北约西方联盟不介入的话。
如果北约介入，俄罗斯没有任何机会，除非它采取核选项。但那样的话，它也死了。
欧盟和美国的经济规模都比俄罗斯大好几倍。如果你比较一下统计数据。俄罗斯根本赢不了。
北约国内生产总值:39.9万亿
北约人口:9.431亿
北约人均GDP(平均):42335美元
北约军费开支:1.15万亿
俄罗斯GDP: 1.483万亿
俄罗斯人口:1.43亿
俄罗斯人均国内生产总值:10126美元
俄罗斯军费开支:692亿美元。
实际上，俄罗斯在每一项指标上都处于劣势。北约的GDP是俄罗斯的35倍，人口是俄罗斯的6倍，军事开支是俄罗斯的16倍。即使仅仅是美国的干预对俄罗斯来说也是一个实实在在的死刑判决。
Yeah, and that is if the western coalition of NATO doesn’t intervene.
If it does. Russia stand no chance unless it goes to the Nuclear option. In which case it’s dead either.
Both the EU and the US has an economy several times larger than Russia. If you just compare the statistics. Its just purely unwinnable for Russia.
NATO GDP: 39.9 Trillion
NATO Population: 943.1 Million
NATO GDP Per capita (Average): $42,335
NATO Military spending: 1.15 Trillion
Russia GDP: 1.483 Trillion
Russia Population: 143 Million
Russia GDP per Capita: 10.126 Trillion
Russia Military spending: 69.2 Billion.
Russia is practically outnumbered in every metric. NATO Has 35 times bigger GDP, 6 Times bigger population, A Population 6 times richer, and 16 times the Military spending than Russia. Even Just the US intervening would be a practical death sentence for Russia.
是的，如果北约西方联盟不介入的话。
如果北约介入，俄罗斯没有任何机会，除非它采取核选项。但那样的话，它也死了。
欧盟和美国的经济规模都比俄罗斯大好几倍。如果你比较一下统计数据。俄罗斯根本赢不了。
北约国内生产总值:39.9万亿
北约人口:9.431亿
北约人均GDP(平均):42335美元
北约军费开支:1.15万亿
俄罗斯GDP: 1.483万亿
俄罗斯人口:1.43亿
俄罗斯人均国内生产总值:10126美元
俄罗斯军费开支:692亿美元。
实际上，俄罗斯在每一项指标上都处于劣势。北约的GDP是俄罗斯的35倍，人口是俄罗斯的6倍，军事开支是俄罗斯的16倍。即使仅仅是美国的干预对俄罗斯来说也是一个实实在在的死刑判决。
Maxim Nesterenko
Oooh scary…
Russia has nukes. We have a large army that can take half of Europe easily. That is enough.
Secondly comparing GDP statistics is kind of silly. The Russian GDP goes much further than the GDP of Europe and America.
Thirdly only military spending counts and a lot of is wasted money and the money that isn’t wasted is used on much more expensive equipment than the equipment Russia produces and uses.
Russia’s an equal match to NATO. More importantly war is about the will to fight and Europe has a small will.
哎呀呀……（北约）好可怕呀……
俄罗斯有核武器，有一支庞大的军队，我们可以轻而易举地占领半个欧洲。这就足够了。
其次，比较GDP数据有点蠢，俄罗斯的GDP增速远远超过欧洲和美国。
第三，只有军费开支才算数，北约的很多钱都浪费掉了，而没有浪费掉的那部分又多用在与俄罗斯同等水平的装备更昂贵的装备上。
俄罗斯与北约势均力敌。更重要的是，战争与战斗意志有关，而欧洲的意志很弱。
Oooh scary…
Russia has nukes. We have a large army that can take half of Europe easily. That is enough.
Secondly comparing GDP statistics is kind of silly. The Russian GDP goes much further than the GDP of Europe and America.
Thirdly only military spending counts and a lot of is wasted money and the money that isn’t wasted is used on much more expensive equipment than the equipment Russia produces and uses.
Russia’s an equal match to NATO. More importantly war is about the will to fight and Europe has a small will.
哎呀呀……（北约）好可怕呀……
俄罗斯有核武器，有一支庞大的军队，我们可以轻而易举地占领半个欧洲。这就足够了。
其次，比较GDP数据有点蠢，俄罗斯的GDP增速远远超过欧洲和美国。
第三，只有军费开支才算数，北约的很多钱都浪费掉了，而没有浪费掉的那部分又多用在与俄罗斯同等水平的装备更昂贵的装备上。
俄罗斯与北约势均力敌。更重要的是，战争与战斗意志有关，而欧洲的意志很弱。
Amir Abella
Russia has nukes? But so does NATO. Bomb New York and they'll give one for Moscow. Bomb Paris and they will give one on Petersburg.
Russia isn’t gonna kill itself for conquering Ukraine.
Russia does have a large army?
Yeah, Russia’s army barely punches above a million. Most are conscxts. The US alone has 1.4M professional soldiers with around some 188,000 in reserves. It will take them some time to get in Europe for sure but Russia has to reach the Atlantic in order to stop the might of the US army from coming into Europe. That is unlikely as they will have to punch thousands of kilometers with European armies fiercely defending and a Nuclear armed France. These European countries will have a combined population and economy larger than Russia.
Russia at best cloud punch to Poland. Other than that they couldn't get any further.
“Secondly comparing GDP statistics is kind of silly. The Russian GDP goes much further than the GDP of Europe and America.”
I'm not even gonna argue with this. This is just plain bullshit. Economy does matter a lot in a war. you wanna know how the US managed to beat Japan and Germany simultaneously? They have a larger economy and Industry. They literally overtook them many times in numbers.
NATO cloud outlast Russia. 35 and 1 isn’t the same. 35 is a much higher number than 1.
“Russia’s an equal match to NATO. More importantly war is about the will to fight and Europe has a small will.”
Yeah, the Japs said the same on the Americans before WW2. couldn't say the same after Dec 7.
俄罗斯有核武器，北约也有嘛。炸了纽约，莫斯科也会遭殃。轰炸巴黎，他们就会轰炸彼得堡。俄罗斯不会为了征服乌克兰而自杀。
俄罗斯有庞大的军队吗? 是，俄罗斯军队一百万人有余，大多数是应征入伍。但仅美国就有140万名职业士兵，其中有约18.8万名预备役士兵。当然，他们需要一些时间才能进入欧洲，但俄罗斯必须抵达大西洋，才能阻止美国军队进入欧洲。这是不可能的，因为他们将不得不在欧洲军队的激烈防守以及拥有核武器的法国的情况下进攻数千公里。这些欧洲国家的人口和经济总量将超过俄罗斯。
俄罗斯充其量也就是对波兰造成冲击。除此之外，他们无法再进一步了。
“其次，比较GDP数据有点蠢，俄罗斯的GDP增速远远超过欧洲和美国。”
我不想和你争论这个，纯属扯淡。经济在战争中确实很重要，你想知道美国是如何同时打败日本和德国的吗? 他们有更庞大的经济和工业。美国在数量上超过了他们很多倍。
北约（在经济上）远超俄罗斯，35比1不是一回事，35远远高于1。
“俄罗斯与北约势均力敌。更重要的是，战争与战斗意志有关，而欧洲的意志很弱。”
是啊，二战前日本人对美国人也是这么说的。12月7日之后就不一样了。
Russia has nukes? But so does NATO. Bomb New York and they'll give one for Moscow. Bomb Paris and they will give one on Petersburg.
Russia isn’t gonna kill itself for conquering Ukraine.
Russia does have a large army?
Yeah, Russia’s army barely punches above a million. Most are conscxts. The US alone has 1.4M professional soldiers with around some 188,000 in reserves. It will take them some time to get in Europe for sure but Russia has to reach the Atlantic in order to stop the might of the US army from coming into Europe. That is unlikely as they will have to punch thousands of kilometers with European armies fiercely defending and a Nuclear armed France. These European countries will have a combined population and economy larger than Russia.
Russia at best cloud punch to Poland. Other than that they couldn't get any further.
“Secondly comparing GDP statistics is kind of silly. The Russian GDP goes much further than the GDP of Europe and America.”
I'm not even gonna argue with this. This is just plain bullshit. Economy does matter a lot in a war. you wanna know how the US managed to beat Japan and Germany simultaneously? They have a larger economy and Industry. They literally overtook them many times in numbers.
NATO cloud outlast Russia. 35 and 1 isn’t the same. 35 is a much higher number than 1.
“Russia’s an equal match to NATO. More importantly war is about the will to fight and Europe has a small will.”
Yeah, the Japs said the same on the Americans before WW2. couldn't say the same after Dec 7.
俄罗斯有核武器，北约也有嘛。炸了纽约，莫斯科也会遭殃。轰炸巴黎，他们就会轰炸彼得堡。俄罗斯不会为了征服乌克兰而自杀。
俄罗斯有庞大的军队吗? 是，俄罗斯军队一百万人有余，大多数是应征入伍。但仅美国就有140万名职业士兵，其中有约18.8万名预备役士兵。当然，他们需要一些时间才能进入欧洲，但俄罗斯必须抵达大西洋，才能阻止美国军队进入欧洲。这是不可能的，因为他们将不得不在欧洲军队的激烈防守以及拥有核武器的法国的情况下进攻数千公里。这些欧洲国家的人口和经济总量将超过俄罗斯。
俄罗斯充其量也就是对波兰造成冲击。除此之外，他们无法再进一步了。
“其次，比较GDP数据有点蠢，俄罗斯的GDP增速远远超过欧洲和美国。”
我不想和你争论这个，纯属扯淡。经济在战争中确实很重要，你想知道美国是如何同时打败日本和德国的吗? 他们有更庞大的经济和工业。美国在数量上超过了他们很多倍。
北约（在经济上）远超俄罗斯，35比1不是一回事，35远远高于1。
“俄罗斯与北约势均力敌。更重要的是，战争与战斗意志有关，而欧洲的意志很弱。”
是啊，二战前日本人对美国人也是这么说的。12月7日之后就不一样了。
Maxim Nesterenko
Nobody in the West is going to get nuked for Ukraine.
The US didn’t actually fight a lot in WWII. It came in when things were already won by the Soviets in Europe and Asia.
You believe too much in Western propaganda.
西方没有人会因为乌克兰而被核攻击。
美国在二战中并没有多少仗，当时苏联已经在欧洲和亚洲取得了胜利。
你太相信西方的宣传了。
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Nobody in the West is going to get nuked for Ukraine.
The US didn’t actually fight a lot in WWII. It came in when things were already won by the Soviets in Europe and Asia.
You believe too much in Western propaganda.
西方没有人会因为乌克兰而被核攻击。
美国在二战中并没有多少仗，当时苏联已经在欧洲和亚洲取得了胜利。
你太相信西方的宣传了。
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Yves Garret
What is over? Ukraine? Or Putin’s empire building delusions? Ukraine has survived Stalin, it can and will survive Putin.
If Russia invades, it will result in tens of thousands of zinc coffins for the Russians, a newly conquered area with a highly motivated insurgency and massive internal unrest because most families have just one child. And this is assuming that the rest of the world does literally nothing but watch (including the Ukrainian diaspora).
Will Russia conquer Ukraine? That’s likely. But then they will have to draw on all sorts of highly trained troops from all over the country and throw them into the meat grinder. Would Vova leave Siberia defenseless?
A full-blown Russian invasion would be bloody, expensive and demoralizing for Russia. Ukraine would be badly hurt, but it would have the world supporting it any way that it could. Hell, even the Germans and French might snap out of their desire to stick their heads in sand and actually do something (they wouldn’t want another major war in Europe, no sane person does).
谁结束？乌克兰？还是普京帝国的幻象？
如果俄罗斯入侵，那将会给俄罗斯人带来数以万计的棺材，这是一个新占领的地区，有高动机叛乱和大规模内部动荡，因为大多数家庭只有一个孩子。这还是在假设世界其他国家(包括乌克兰侨民)除了旁观什么都不做的前提下。
俄罗斯会征服乌克兰吗?可能。但之后他们将不得不从全国各地调集各种训练有素的部队，把他们扔进绞肉机里。Vova会让西伯利亚失去防御能力吗?
对俄罗斯来说，全面入侵将是血腥、代价高昂和士气低落的。乌克兰将受到严重伤害，但世界将尽其所能支持它。就连德国人和法国人也可能会突然放弃把头埋进沙子里的想法，采取实际行动(他们不会希望欧洲发生另一场大战，理智的人都不会这样做)。
What is over? Ukraine? Or Putin’s empire building delusions? Ukraine has survived Stalin, it can and will survive Putin.
If Russia invades, it will result in tens of thousands of zinc coffins for the Russians, a newly conquered area with a highly motivated insurgency and massive internal unrest because most families have just one child. And this is assuming that the rest of the world does literally nothing but watch (including the Ukrainian diaspora).
Will Russia conquer Ukraine? That’s likely. But then they will have to draw on all sorts of highly trained troops from all over the country and throw them into the meat grinder. Would Vova leave Siberia defenseless?
A full-blown Russian invasion would be bloody, expensive and demoralizing for Russia. Ukraine would be badly hurt, but it would have the world supporting it any way that it could. Hell, even the Germans and French might snap out of their desire to stick their heads in sand and actually do something (they wouldn’t want another major war in Europe, no sane person does).
谁结束？乌克兰？还是普京帝国的幻象？
如果俄罗斯入侵，那将会给俄罗斯人带来数以万计的棺材，这是一个新占领的地区，有高动机叛乱和大规模内部动荡，因为大多数家庭只有一个孩子。这还是在假设世界其他国家(包括乌克兰侨民)除了旁观什么都不做的前提下。
俄罗斯会征服乌克兰吗?可能。但之后他们将不得不从全国各地调集各种训练有素的部队，把他们扔进绞肉机里。Vova会让西伯利亚失去防御能力吗?
对俄罗斯来说，全面入侵将是血腥、代价高昂和士气低落的。乌克兰将受到严重伤害，但世界将尽其所能支持它。就连德国人和法国人也可能会突然放弃把头埋进沙子里的想法，采取实际行动(他们不会希望欧洲发生另一场大战，理智的人都不会这样做)。
Garry Lister
They managed to keep the Russians out of Ukraine in 2014!
2014年，乌克兰人成功地将俄罗斯人挡在了乌克兰门外!
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They managed to keep the Russians out of Ukraine in 2014!
2014年，乌克兰人成功地将俄罗斯人挡在了乌克兰门外!
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Viktor Savin
Have you heard the joke about the Uncatchable Joe?
“How does Joe manage to stay so uncatchable? Because nobody gives a fuck about Joe!”
In Crimea in 2014, they deserted en masse or even crossed over to the Russian side. If Russia wanted to capture all of Ukraine, it would be all over Ukraine.
你听过那个关于抓不住乔的笑话吗?——“乔是怎么做到一直逍遥法外的?因为没人他妈的在乎乔!”
2014年在克里米亚，乌克兰人集体逃离，甚至越境到俄罗斯那边。如果俄罗斯想占领整个乌克兰，它就能占领整个乌克兰。
Have you heard the joke about the Uncatchable Joe?
“How does Joe manage to stay so uncatchable? Because nobody gives a fuck about Joe!”
In Crimea in 2014, they deserted en masse or even crossed over to the Russian side. If Russia wanted to capture all of Ukraine, it would be all over Ukraine.
你听过那个关于抓不住乔的笑话吗?——“乔是怎么做到一直逍遥法外的?因为没人他妈的在乎乔!”
2014年在克里米亚，乌克兰人集体逃离，甚至越境到俄罗斯那边。如果俄罗斯想占领整个乌克兰，它就能占领整个乌克兰。
Samuel Ademeso
Lol Russia has not set foot in Ukraine, and the Ukraine army still haven't reclaim their eastern territory
哈哈，俄罗斯还没有踏上乌克兰，而乌克兰军队也没有收回他们的东部领土。
Lol Russia has not set foot in Ukraine, and the Ukraine army still haven't reclaim their eastern territory
哈哈，俄罗斯还没有踏上乌克兰，而乌克兰军队也没有收回他们的东部领土。
Oleg Polyakov
If you do not count the lost territory of Crimea, Luhansk and Donbass as Ukrainian territory then sure, they kept the Russians out.
如果你不把失去的克里米亚、卢甘斯克和顿巴斯算作乌克兰领土，那么当然，他们确实把俄罗斯人挡在了门外。
If you do not count the lost territory of Crimea, Luhansk and Donbass as Ukrainian territory then sure, they kept the Russians out.
如果你不把失去的克里米亚、卢甘斯克和顿巴斯算作乌克兰领土，那么当然，他们确实把俄罗斯人挡在了门外。
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