话题讨论:天才通常都有哪些常见的缺点?
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Rainbow Environment
They r mostly free from outer world.
They live in a self created environment

【回答】
他们大多不受外部世界的影响。
他们生活在一个自我创造的环境中。

Duytan Vu former F-15 Crew Chief at U.S. Air Force
They get over-pressured by labels to perform to others expectations, and suffer from anxiety as a result of it.
They expect money to come to them in proportion with the difficulty of problems that their intellect is uniquely capable of solving. They may sometimes take jobs just to feel rewarded by the fulfillment of helping society. This pattern of not negotiating financial compensation has led to a “competitive wage” that could be so bad that they may even consider a layman’s job that has better financial security. This is especially true in less advanced countries.
They commonly postpone pursuing serious romantic endeavors indefinitely. They may have given up after trying understand irrational behaviors from others, especially those who have trouble communicating articulately. They may be wary of the danger of over-commitment and distractions. They may also realize that their intelligence is unrelated to the concept of “emotional intelligence”—they may just think that it’s merely another word for the like-mindedness required to build rapport. There’s just an overwhelming abundance of “tacit knowledge” required, and they may consider the cost-to-benefit ratio, and deem such an endeavor low priority, missing out on a part of social life.

【回答】美国空军前 F-15机组长
他们被标签的压力折磨,不得不达到别人的期望,并因此感到焦虑。
他们期望金钱会与他们的智力所能解决的问题的难度成正比。他们可能有时候找工作只是为了感受到帮助社会所带来的成就感。这种不谈经济补偿的模式导致了一种“竞争性的工资”,这种工资可能非常糟糕,以至于他们甚至可能考虑一份经济上有更好保障的外行工作。这在不那么发达的国家尤其如此。
他们通常会无限期地推迟追求认真的爱情。他们可能在试图理解别人的非理性行为之后就放弃了,尤其是那些有沟通障碍的人。他们可能会警惕过度承诺和分心的危险。他们还可能意识到,他们的智力与“情商”的概念无关,他们可能只是认为,这只不过是建立融洽关系所需的志同道合的另一种说法。这需要大量的“隐性知识” ,他们可能会考虑成本收益比,认为这样的努力是不重要的,错过了社会生活的一部分。

They don’t invest much effort in making elaborate designs and preparations for everyday things, such as food, clothing, and housing. They revise every routine/habit for increased efficiency, so they can spend time learning about things that may help them solve bigger problems. They may end up having 5 sets of the same style versatile/all-season clothing, and a low maintenance hair style. Food needs may be reduced to “anything with calories”, requiring minimal effort to prepare, preferably something that can be walked away from and picked up later.
They don’t have much common sense when it comes to mingling with society. They may inquisitively question everything, possibly even things like small talk/greetings and emotional reactions. Others may consider small talk/greeting to be simple and so common that it should be considered natural (not made for any purpose; it just exists). The genius may think there’s a deeper meaning, such as them trying to be more friendly, when they weren’t thinking anything at all, doing it out of habit. This turns into an awkward confrontation, where the greeter seems defensively worried about what the genius may be thinking, when the genius isn’t overthinking and is simply relying on hearing what the greeter was thinking. When the greeter blurts that they really didn’t mean whatever the genius is thinking, the genius is left with an answer that doesn’t satisfy their curiosity. The misunderstanding leaves the genius to resolve it on their own, perhaps deducing that the greeting was a thoughtless action to attract attention, and acknowledge each others existence.

他们不会花太多精力为日常生活做精心的设计和准备,比如食物、衣服和住房。为了提高效率,他们修改每一个常规或习惯,这样他们就可以花时间学习那些可以帮助他们解决更大问题的事情。他们可能最后拥有5套同样款式的万能/全季服装,以及一种低维护的发型。食物需求可能会减少到“任何含有卡路里的东西”,只需要很少的准备工作,最好是一些可以随手拿走的东西。
他们在融入社会方面缺乏常识。他们可能会好奇地质疑一切,甚至可能会质疑诸如闲聊/问候和情绪反应之类的事情。其他人可能认为闲聊/问候是简单而普通的,应该是自然的(它只是存在,而不是为了任何目的而进行的)。天才可能会认为有更深层次的意义,比如他们试图表现得更友好,但是他们什么都不想,只不过是出于习惯而已。这就变成了一个尴尬的对峙,接待员似乎防御性地担心天才可能在想什么,而天才并没有想太多,只是简单地听接待员在想什么。而当接待员脱口而出说话时,他们真的不是针对天才在想什么,天才得到的答案并不能满足他们的好奇心。这种误解让天才们自己去解决吧,也许他们会推断,问候是一种不加考虑的行为,目的是吸引人们的注意,并意识到彼此的存在。

They likely don’t have friends who they can talk to on an equal level, and truly open up to. They may have a hobby buddy, who could merely an enthusiast in some niche industry. They don’t really find friends until they get older and earn recognition and get invited to high society institutions.
They seem lazy. They heavily belief in working smarter, not harder. If they have a task given to them, especially one that’s repetitive such as cleaning up the room, they will figure out a way to reduce the amount of labor. They may even neglect it for a while, convinced that their [so-far-unperfected] solution will make up for the neglect.

他们很可能没有可以平等交谈,真正敞开心扉的朋友。他们可能有一个业余爱好的伙伴,这个伙伴可能仅仅是某个小众行业的狂热爱好者。直到他们长大,获得认可,被邀请进入上流社会机构,他们才真正找到朋友。
他们看起来很懒惰。他们坚信工作要更聪明,而不是更努力。如果有一个任务交给他们,特别是一种重复的任务,如打扫房间,他们会找到一个方法来减少劳动量。他们甚至可能忽略一段时间,相信他们(迄今为止尚未完善的)解决方案将弥补这种忽视。
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Pascal Rossignol Merat former Second Level at Credit Suisse (2010-2013)
First of all, what’s going to follow is based on my (very) personal perceptions of the subject. And second, like with most people (including more “normal” ones), it’s quite difficult to find real and “absolute” commonalities.
Now with these disclaimers out of the way, I do still notice patterns (some might not be what you expect):
Arrogance is the most “famous”, known one … and there is more than a kernel of truth to it. It does vary a lot though and is not as common as some might expect … though still easy enough to find. Unfortunately, those are the kind that tend to stand out from our “crowd” (if such a word can used for people like us), and are those, despite generally being in the minority, that give us a bad reputation.

【回答】前瑞士信贷二级助理(2010年-2013年)
首先,接下来要讲的是基于我个人对这个主题的看法。其次,和大多数人一样(包括更多“正常”的人) ,很难找到真正的和“绝对的”共同点。
抛开这些免责声明,我还是注意到了一些模式(有些可能不是你所期望的) :
傲慢是最“有名的”,众所周知... 它不仅仅是事实的核心。虽然它的表现有很多不同,并不像一些人想象的那么普遍... 但仍然很容易找到。不幸的是,这些人往往从我们“人群”中脱颖而出(如果这样一个词可以用来形容像我们这类的人的话) ,而且,尽管他们通常属于少数,但却给我们带来了坏名声。

Johnathan Hartzell
It’s incredibly difficult to generalize people with high IQ’s. Most lists of “typical flaws” geniuses have written about on the internet are very generalized so that more people can relate to them and therefore get more views and traffic to make money via ads. People with high IQ’s in reality have various flaws, just as anyone else does. There are some things that CAN occur in people with high IQ’s such as:
Serious social deficits/social skills.
-Isaac Newton (One of the two guys who invented calculus as well as discovered a few laws of physics, arguably one of the most important/influential minds in history) was fanatically religious and was generally not a pleasant person. A highly impatient narcissist. He spent his life for the most part, alone.

【回答】
要把高智商的人一概而论是非常困难的。大多数天才们在互联网上写的“典型缺陷”列表都非常笼统,以便更多的人可以和他们产生共鸣,从而获得更多的浏览量和流量,通过广告赚钱。事实上,高智商的人和其他人一样,也有各种各样的缺点。高智商的人可能会发生以下的情况:
严重的社交缺陷或社交技巧。
*艾萨克·牛顿(发明微积分并发现了一些物理定律的两个人之一,可以说是历史上最重要/最有影响力的头脑之一)是一个狂热的宗教信徒,通常不是一个让人感觉愉快的人。极度缺乏耐心和自恋。他大部分时间都是一个人过的。

-Elon Musk stutters quite a bit when he speaks. This is pretty minor, and IMO adds to his charm, but it’s there.
-It is debated that Einstein suffered from autism/Asperger's. It is said he was a loner and often repeated sentences obsessively when he was a child.
Emotional Issues/depression.
-Highly intelligent people process information much more efficiently than the average person and can take in more of it. All of the fine details of life they are likely more in tune with and can quickly analyze and draw conclusions of how the world works, and, reality is reality. The world is very far from a perfect place, and highly intelligent people know this to a greater degree of detail than most. This obviously has a profound effect on emotional well-being.

*伊隆·马斯克说话时总是结巴。这是相当次要的,而且我认为这会增加他的魅力,但是它确实存在。
*爱因斯坦患有孤独症/阿斯伯格综合症,这是一个有争议的问题。据说当他还是个孩子的时候,他是一个孤僻的人,经常强迫性地重复句子。
情绪问题/抑郁症。
*高智商的人处理信息的效率比一般人高得多,而且可以吸收更多的信息。他们可能会对生活中的所有细节更加熟悉,并能迅速分析和得出世界如何运作的结论,而现实就是现实。这个世界远不是一个完美的地方,高智商的人比大多数人都更加清楚这一点。这显然对情绪健康有着深远的影响。

-Add to that, the highly intelligent probably feel much more alone not having a whole lot of people they can really relate to. As in having conversation with others with the depth and stimulation their higher intelligence requires. Add to that the social deficit they may or may not have.
However, there are definitely higher IQ individuals who don’t necessarily have these traits or any of the others listed in click-bait articles written with the intention of feeling relatable. Also, people with lower IQ’s can certainly have these traits.

*除此之外,高智商的人可能会感到更加孤独,因为他们没有很多真正可以交往的人。就像在与他人交谈时,用他们更高的智力所需要的深度和刺激。再加上他们可能有也可能没有的社会技巧缺陷。
然而,确实有一些智商更高的人,他们并不一定具备这些特质,或者其他那些为了引起共鸣而写的文章中列出的特质。而且,智商较低的人肯定也有这些特点。

Mwanandeke Kindembo
Allow me to open with this beautiful quote from Aristotle:
There is always a touch of madness in every genius.
No doubt that Aristotle was a genius and this quote can apply in the disagreement with his teacher, Plato.
Aristotle wanted to experiment with everything instead of believing the dogmas that his ancestors used to believe in. He wanted to be more practical and not theoretical.
Aristotle showing his hand down: Meaning, we must focus on what we have down here. getting more practical and bringing forward the proof of things. He’s a realist.
Plato pointing above: Believing in the Supreme One and leaving everything to fate, if you can’t explain them.
At least that’s my interpretation of the picture—You can come up with your own as well. Your opinion(s) will be considered!

【回答】
请允许我引用亚里士多德的一句话作为开场白:
每个天才都有点疯狂。
毫无疑问,亚里士多德是一个天才,这句话可以应用在他与他的老师柏拉图的争论中。
亚里士多德想要尝试一切,而不是相信他的祖先曾经信仰的教条。他希望更加实际而不是理论化。
亚里士多德把手往下放:意思是,我们必须专注于我们所拥有的。变得更实际,并提出证据。他是个现实主义者。
柏拉图往上指:如果你无法解释,那就相信至高无上的上帝,把一切都交给命运。
至少这是我对这幅画的理解,你们也可以想出自己的意见。你们的意见也会被考虑!

You can’t put two geniuses into the same room and expect something great from them. There will always be disagreements until you separate them.
Let’s take the most recent geniuses that you are aware of—Nikola Tesla and Issac Newton. I know you want Albert Einstein to be included here too. Your wish has been granted!
The first two geniuses had fiancees/girlfriends but they never got married—Why?
Einstein got married, but can you call it a successful marriage? There were strict rules that his wife had to follow. Not to disturb him while he’s studying and to get his meals ready.
It’s obvious that most of the geniuses have flaws when it comes to marriage.
It’s almost impossible for them to live a normal life that’s full of peace and harmony.

你不能把两个天才放在同一个房间里,期待他们做出伟大的成就。除非你把他们分开,否则总会有分歧。
让我们看看你们所知道的最新的天才,尼古拉 · 特斯拉和艾萨克 · 牛顿。我知道你们也希望阿尔伯特 · 爱因斯坦包括进来。你们的愿望实现了!
前两个天才都有未婚妻/女朋友,但他们从未结婚,为什么?
爱因斯坦结婚了,但你能称之为成功的婚姻吗?他的妻子必须遵守严格的规定。不要在他学习的时候打扰他,并且把饭菜准备好。
很明显,大多数天才在婚姻方面都有缺陷。
他们几乎不可能过上充满和平与和谐的正常生活。
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Vitthal Jadhav
Typically, geniuses have following flaws..
1. Geniuses typically have difficulty with conventional things, very few people can engage with genius minds, so there's always a high possibility of being a social outcast.
2. Loneliness. It is really hard to find other geniuses around, so they tend to feel emotionally lonely.This is sometimes helpful, as it makes them indulge more in their work.
3. They are misunderstood and underestimated by peers, by society and even by themselves. People purposely ignore them because they fear they will be corrected in their posture, method, grammar or descri1ption of something. 4. Difficulty in relationship. They have a hard time keeping a balanced relationship as they have high expectations from others. 5. They are likely to be considered crazy.

【回答】
一般来说,天才都有以下缺点:
1. 天才通常很难接受传统的事物,很少有人能与天才的头脑打交道,所以很有可能成为社会的弃儿。
2. 孤独。很难在周围找到其他的天才,所以他们往往感到情感上的孤独。这有时是有帮助的,因为这使他们更沉迷于他们的工作。
3. 他们被同龄人、社会甚至自己所误解和低估。人们故意忽略它们,因为他们害怕在他们的姿势、方法、语法或对某事的描述上会被纠正。
4. 感情中的困难。他们很难保持平衡的关系,因为他们对别人有很高的期望。
5. 他们很可能被认为是疯子。

6. Overthinking. The more you know and aware of in the world, the more you look for answers. They often over analyze things, thus thinking about every action and its consenquences, every interaction, every word they say and every person they meet. 7. A high tendency to procrastinate. So much going on their minds, they are more prone to procrastinate than the average people. 8. They value autonomy, which makes them unable to work with others in their craft. 9. Inability to focus. Having too many passions and interests, they tend to dissipate their focus. 10. They are more likely to be self-destructive. Being naturally super-curious, they tend to abuse substances.

6. 过度思考。你对这个世界了解的越多,你就越想找到答案。他们经常过度分析事物,从而思考每一个行动及其结果,每一次互动,他们说的每一句话,他们遇到的每一个人。
7. 严重的拖延倾向。他们脑子里有太多的事情,他们比普通人更容易拖延。
8. 他们重视自主权,这使得他们无法在自己的领域与他人合作。
9. 无法集中注意力。有太多的激情和兴趣,容易分散他们的注意力。
10. 他们更可能有自毁行为。他们天生好奇心强,容易滥用药物。

Ashoka Kalgude knows Hindi
* Genius mind always works on skill set they have e.g. Steve jobs (who skill set is improving design) refused use oxygen mask during hospitalization due to non ergonomic, bad design.
* Genius mostly found stupid/unworthy at interviews. They cannot respond fast. May not be articulate. Multiple things to process in brain makes them look absent minded. They are not articulate.
* Genius are child like(Steve Wozniak) straightforward & simple their moves are so simple other cannot believe (this will not hold good if genius skill is strategist)
* Genius are easy victim of exploitation by supervisors. They fail to promote themselves in corporate/Industry.
* Genius are very very tolerant but long term robbing of credit reward & recognition will make a rebel.

【回答】懂印地语
* 天才总是按照他们掌握的技能来工作,例如史蒂夫·乔布斯(他的技能是改进设计),在住院期间拒绝使用氧气面罩,由于其不符合人体工程学,设计不好。
* 大多数天才在面试中会被认为是愚蠢或不值。他们无法迅速作出反应。可能表达不清楚。大脑处理的多种事情让他们看起来心不在焉。他们不善于表达。
* 天才就像小孩子一样(史蒂夫 · 沃兹尼亚克)直截了当而且简单,他们的动作非常简单,其他人都无法理解(如果天才的技能是战略家,这点将不适用)
* 天才很容易成为管理者剥削的牺牲品,他们不会在公司/行业中推销自己。
* 天才是非常非常宽容的,但是长期剥夺信用、报酬和认可,会让其叛逆。

* They will always stand for a value they believe irrespective of benefits.
* Genius think others also can easily do what they can do easily.
* They will not find match in people around them so may be mostly friendless but compensate with children, pets, book or doing what can they are expert at.
* genius are poor at financial management it doesn't interest them otherwise they can excel if mind is set.
* They cannot recall names but they will not forget the faces. They strength is visualization.
these are applicable too pure geniuses, Steve jobs & Elon musk are started business at young and are different than Nicola Tesla Steve Wozniak.
Edit
* Genius are so because they question everything, this quality also make them question status quo, methods of supervisor thus makes them unpopular.

* 他们将永远坚持他们所相信的价值观,而不论利益如何。
* 天才认为别人也可以轻易做到他们能轻易做到的事情。
* 他们不会在周围的人中找到匹配的人,所以可能大部分人都没有朋友,但他们会用孩子、宠物、书籍或者做他们擅长的事来弥补。
* 天才在财务管理方面很差,他们对此不感兴趣,否则,只要下定决心,他们就能出类拔萃。
* 他们记不住名字,但他们不会忘记面孔,他们的长处是视觉化的。
这些都适用于纯粹的天才,史蒂夫·乔布斯和埃隆·马斯克都是从年轻开始创业的,与尼古拉·特斯拉和史蒂夫·沃兹尼亚克不同。
* 天才之所以如此,是因为他们质疑一切,这种品质也使他们质疑现状,管理者的方法也因此使他们不受欢迎。

Alex Mann Historian (2017-present)
This is John Forbes Nash- he is a brilliant mathematician and one of the most renowned minds in human history. He is responsible for multiple equations and mathematical breakthroughs that influenced everything from economics to geometry. In addition to be a genius intellectual and genius mathematician he also suffered from schizophrenia his entire adult life. What makes this more interesting though is his family.
Nash had 2 sons both of whom were named John. One of these sons went on to have a decent career in business but was otherwise quite average in terms of raw IQ and intellectual ability. He certainly was a bit above average but not a genius and went on to live a mostly regular life like most people.

【回答】历史学家(2017年-至今)
这是约翰·福布斯·纳什,他是一位杰出的数学家,也是人类历史上最著名的思想家之一。他负责多个方程和数学突破,影响了从经济学到几何学的一切。除了是一个天才的知识分子和天才的数学家之外,他的整个成年生活都饱受精神分裂症的折磨。更有趣的是他的家人。
纳什有两个儿子,都叫约翰。其中一个儿子后来在商界有了不错的职业生涯,但在智商和智力方面却相当平均。他当然比一般人稍微高一点,但并不是天才,并且像大多数人一样过着基本正常的生活。

The other son was far more like his father and became a renowned mathematician and chess player with Ph.Ds and awards just like his old man. He was descri1bed as brilliant and talented from a young age and to this day is a renowned mathematician. He also was just like his father in terms of mental health. He too struggled with schizophrenia and other mental health issues.
There is a undeniable lix between mental health and genius in a lot of circumstances. We all know about idiot-savants who are absolutely brilliant in narrow applications but lack any social ability and often find it impossible to communicate or live normal lives. Albert Einstein was famously a strange individual who struggled to find his way home at night. Looking at Einstein it becomes clear that something is off with him. He dressed in such a strange way and was always appeared disheveled.

另一个儿子更像他的父亲,成为一个著名的数学家和国际象棋棋手,拥有博士学位和奖学金,就像他的父亲一样。他从小就被描述为才华横溢的数学家,直到今天还是一位著名的数学家。在精神健康方面,他也和他父亲一样。他也在精神分裂症和其他心理健康问题上苦苦挣扎。
在很多情况下,心理健康和天才之间有着不可否认的联系。我们都知道一些精神问题学者,他们在狭隘的应用领域非常出色,但缺乏任何社交能力,而且常常发现无法交流,也无法过正常的生活。阿尔伯特 · 爱因斯坦是一个出了名的奇怪的人,他在晚上要费很大劲才能找到回家的路。看着爱因斯坦,很明显,他有些不对劲。他的穿着非常奇怪,总是显得衣冠不整。
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There is a long list of genius level individuals who become the top 1% of professionals in their field but also suffer from an inability to socialize, communicate, or suffer from mental health issues. One wonders if the flaws in the brain that cause something like schizophrenia also cause one to be a genius intellect.
Here are some more geniuses who had mental health problems
Churchill: Bipolar Disorder
Abraham Lincoln: Depression
Michelangelo: Autism
Charles Darwin: Agoraphobia
Kurt Godel: Delusions and Hallucinations
Isaac Newton: Bipolar disorder and maybe Autism
Leo Tolstoy: Depression

有一长串的天才级别的人,他们在各自领域是1%顶尖的专业人士,但他们却在社交、沟通方面缺乏能力,或者患有心理健康问题。人们不禁想问,导致精神分裂症等疾病的大脑缺陷,是否也会导致一个人成为天才。
以下是一些有心理健康问题的天才。
丘吉尔:躁郁症
亚伯拉罕 · 林肯:抑郁症
米开朗基罗:自闭症
达尔文:广场恐惧症
科特 · 哥德尔:幻觉和妄想症
艾萨克 · 牛顿:躁郁症,也许还有自闭症
托尔斯泰:抑郁症

Kishlay Tiwari
1. Intelligent people are more likely to suffer from depression
They see this world with a perspective that is completely different from the general worldview. Add to that goodness, and sensitivity, the sadness doubles.
2. People get jealous of you and love it when you fail
Intelligence is a privilege. It is as good as riches and people tend to get jealous.
3. Everyone thinks you are arrogant when you make a point
Being assertive is not expected out of good people. And sound and lucid points are not understood very well by people either.
4. You sometimes fail to live up to people’s expectations
Parents. Friends. Teachers. Everyone expects you to be the greatest human being that ever lived. They fail to see that intelligent people can choose any path they want to – even if it is in a mundane office doing mundane things.
5. No one comes to help you assuming you can take care of yourself more than efficiently
Sometimes, even the intelligent need advice. Even they need help and support.
Sometimes, intelligence and being good, instead of being a privilege becomes a liability.
And that is when you really start thinking about how the society actually behaves.
Being intelligent has its downfalls. And the double whammy is when you are a person too. An intelligent person with no empathy or concern about other people can survive very easily. He does not care.

【回答】
1. 天才更容易患抑郁症
他们看待这个世界的角度与一般的世界观完全不同。再加上善良和敏感,悲伤加倍了。
2. 人们嫉妒你,喜欢你失败的样子
智力是一种特权。这和财富一样好,人们容易嫉妒。
你知道有多少个班级的顶尖学生,仅仅因为一个学期没有在班上名列前茅而被取笑。
3. 当你发表观点时,每个人都认为你很傲慢。
优秀的人不应过分自信。而人们也不能很好地理解那些合理而清晰的观点。
4. 有时候你不能达到别人的期望
父母。朋友。教师。每个人都希望你成为有史以来最伟大的人。他们没有意识到,天才可以选择他们想要的任何道路,即使是在一个平凡的办公室里做平凡的事情。
5. 没有人会来帮助你,因为你认为自己可以更有效地帮助自己
有时候,即使是天才也需要建议,甚至他们也需要帮助和支持。
有时候,聪明和善良,不是一种特权,而是一种负担。
那是你真正开始思考,社会实际上是如何运作的时候。

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