勤奋真的像大多数人宣称的那样战胜天赋吗(三)
2022-07-26 辽阔天空 4767
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Does hard work really beat talent as most people claim?

勤奋真的像大多数人宣称的那样战胜天赋吗?

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Pratikshya
If I give you a new perspective of hard work. Then hard work will itself be a mark of talent and smartness.
It’s a wrong assumption that people who work hard are not talented or less talented. They work hard because even talent or intellect has to push its boundaries on the face of difficulty and boredom.
What is hard? Something you can’t solve easily? Something that is difficult or boring.
Everything that’s difficult but important for you is hard work.
Isn’t hard work a proof that you have the talent to do it and also the patience to stay longer than others.
Everyone is born with some kind of intelligence and talent but that’s not enough to reap the fruits of success.

如果我给你一个关于努力工作的新视角,那么努力工作本身就是天赋和智慧的标志。
认为努力工作的人没有天赋或天赋较低是错误的认知。他们努力工作,他们努力工作是因为面对困难和烦恼的事情时,即使是天赋或智力也必须突破它的界限。
什么是困难?一些你不容易解决的问题?困难或让你烦恼的事情。
对你来说,所有困难但重要的事情都是努力工作。
努力工作难道不是证明你有能力做到这一点,也证明你有耐心比别人坚持更久吗。
每个人天生都有某种天赋,但这还不足以收获成功的果实。

Without hard work and consistency, talent in you can be motivated to quit not by anyone else but your own brain.
And very soon it becomes a habit. Let’s start like this.
Quit when things become difficult and very soon you’ll realise you’re good at one thing that is quitting.
I once asked my husband(whose a reliable and efficient full stack developer whose phone keeps buzzing 24/7).
“So you're more talented than others at coding and all that.”
He replied, “I just stay with the problem with patience a little longer than others because that’s very satisfying.”
I found that so funny and interesting, I replied, “That’s the reason we are together. I’m not easy as well.”

如果没有努力工作和始终如一的精神,你的天赋可能会被你自己的大脑而不是其他人激励而放弃。
很快它就成了一种习惯,让我们这样开始吧。
当事情变得困难时放弃,很快你就会意识到你擅长一件事,那就是放弃。
我曾经问过我的丈夫(他是一位可靠高效的全堆栈开发人员,他的手机全天候嗡嗡响)。
“你在编码等方面比其他人更有天赋咯”
他回答说:“我只是比其他人耐心地处理这个问题,因为我这态度很令人满意。”
我觉得这很有趣,我回答说:“这就是我们在一起的原因—我也是一个不容易相处的人。”

He replied, “Of course I won’t give up on the craziest but loveliest thing that happened to me.”
I hope you got the answer, everything in life will be difficult and hard and no amount of talent will save you for 99% percent times if you quit.
Everything you’re passionate and interested in is hard after a point of time. Going deeper is hard, thinking beyond is hard, trying even after failures and insults is hard.
Everything you love after a point is hard. Love itself is hard. Pushing mental and emotional boundaries is hard. Freedom is also hard because Hard work itself brings freedom.
If no work is hard ever for you. Then either you’re in the wrong circle, wrong organisation or the wrong place.
Hard work itself is smart. Hard work itself is the gratification. Hard work itself is satisfaction. Hard work itself is motivation. Hard work itself brings clarity. Hard work itself is success.
My new found passion is writing but honestly no upvotes at times is discouraging but then, I think harder and write more even when no one cares.

他回答说:“我当然不会放弃发生在我身上最疯狂但最可爱的事情。”
我希望你能得到答案,生活中的每件事都将是艰难的,如果你放弃,再多的天赋也无法挽救你99%的成功。
你所热爱和感兴趣的一切在一段时间后都会变得困难。深入是困难的,思考是困难的,遭遇失败和侮辱之后,即使再尝试也是困难的。
任何你喜欢的东西在某一个点之后都是困难的,爱本身是很难的。突破精神和情感的界限是困难的。自由也很难,因为努力工作本身就会带来自由。
如果对你来说没有什么工作是困难的。那么要么你在错误的圈子里,要么你在错误的组织里,要么你在错误的地方。
努力工作本身就是聪明的做法。努力工作本身就让人喜悦,努力工作本身就是满足。努力工作本身就是动力。努力工作本身就让一切变得清晰易懂,努力工作本身就是成功。
我新发现的激情是写作,但老实说,有时没人支持会让人沮丧,但后来,我更努力地思考,甚至在没有人关心的时候也会写更多。

Feifei Wang
I think most people have an oversimplified misconception about what talent actually is.
Most people think being talented at something means the person is naturally good at this thing. They think Mozart just naturally know how to play piano and how to compose music.
No. Even child prodigies need to actually learn to do something. Nobody was born with knowledge or skills.
People think talent means this person has a better understanding of certain things, which allows them to learn/master something faster. That’s perhaps something you see looking from the outside.
But I think talent is a focus, and the ability to enjoy the work.
Having talent means you can be more focused on something, more so than other people. You are less likely to get distracted. You think about this thing constantly, even when you’re not actually doing it. Da Vinci was on the record observing the flow of water and draw it for hours on end. When people put that kind of focus and effort into something, they will get very good at doing it.

我认为大多数人对天赋的本质有一个过于简单的误解。
大多数人认为在某件事上有天赋意味着这个人天生擅长这件事。他们认为莫扎特天生就知道如何弹钢琴,如何作曲。
不,即使是神童也需要真正学会做事。没有人天生就有知识或技能。
人们认为天赋意味着这个人能更好的理解某些事情,这使他们能够更快地学习/掌握一些东西,这可能是你从外表看到的东西。
但我认为天赋是一聚焦和享受工作的能力。
有天赋意味着你可以比别人更专注于某事,你不太可能分心。你经常思考这件事,即使你实际上什么都没有做。根据记录,达·芬奇曾经观察水流并连续数小时地绘制。当人们把这种注意力和精力投入到某件事上时,他们会非常擅长做这件事。

And when most other people get tired and frustrated, people with talent have that passion and focus to push it through. You can’t force people to play piano for 14 hours a day, it doesn’t work like that. (You should not force your kids to do it. Really, please don’t. You can’t beat talent out of someone.) But people with “talent” enjoy doing it. They found joy in tasks others find tiresome and frustrating.
That’s why truly talented people often make their work seem effortless. Not because they don’t put in the work, but because the work seems such a joy for them, and it almost looks as if it doesn’t take effort.
Talent means nothing if you don’t put in the work.
Or, talent is the ability to work harder than others and didn’t feel like you’re working.

当大多数人感到疲惫和沮丧时,有天赋的人会有激情和专注力去推动它。你不能强迫人们每天弹14个小时的钢琴,这是行不通的。(你不应该强迫你的孩子去做。真的,请不要,你不能打败别人的天赋。)但是有“天赋”的人就是喜欢去做。他们在别人觉得无聊和令人沮丧的任务中找到了乐趣。
这就是为什么真正有才华的人往往会让他们的工作看起来毫不费力。不是因为他们没有投入工作,而是因为这项工作对他们来说是一种乐趣,让他们做起来看上去几乎不需要努力一般。
如果你不投入工作,天赋就毫无意义。
或者,天赋是指比别人更努力工作并且感觉不到自己在工作的能力。

Anand Sharma
After graduation me and my childhood friend started preparing for government jobs.
He is very hard working and dedicated person and I was the topper throughout my school days even I completed my graduation with honours.
I can grasp anything very easily and math always was very easy subject for me. So I got initial success in SCC CGL but I did not prepared for tier 2 very much. I didn't even complete any test series, also not completed any books. Math was easy for me so I didn't practised it much.
So in tier 2, I didn't perform efficiently. I was very slow and couldn't able to attempt all questions in maths. Somehow I cleared Tier 2 and attempted Tier 3. But after Tier 3 result, I was out of the race by 1 mark.
After that I left government job preparation and started working in IT sector. After joining my first company, I worked very hard. I got so much appreciations and manged to beg a decent CTC in a very good IT company.
On the other hand, after more than 4 years of graduation, my friend still preparing for government jobs. He still not able to make into the final merit list of any exams. He is still working very hard. Attempting all test series, following online classes of different subjects regularly. But still he is not able to crack a single exams. Still I has faith in him as he is very dedicated towards his goal and one day he definitely get success.
So, from my experience hard work alone might not get you desired result very easily. But telent with hard work definitely get you success.

毕业后,我和儿时的朋友开始为政府工作做准备。
他是一个非常勤奋、敬业的人,在我的学生时代,我是最优秀的,甚至我还是以优异的成绩毕业。
我可以能很容易地掌握任何东西,数学对我来说总是很容易的科目。所以我在SCC CGL中取得了初步的成功,但我没有为tier 2做很多准备。我甚至没有完成任何测试系列,也没有看完任何书籍。数学对我来说很容易,所以我不常练习。
所以在tier 2中,我的表现并不好。做题速度很慢,不能尝试所有的数学问题。不知何故,我越过了第二层并尝试了第三层。但在第三层结果之后,我以1分的差距输掉了比赛。
在那之后,我放弃准备政府工作方面的考试,开始在IT部门工作。加入第一家公司后,我工作很努力。我得到了非常多的赞赏,并设法在一家非常好的IT公司乞求一个像样的 CTC类岗位。
另一方面,毕业4年多后,我的朋友仍为政府方面工作做准备。他仍然无法通过任何考试。他仍在努力工作。尝试所有测试系列,定期跟踪不同科目的在线课程。但他仍然无法通过考试。尽管如此,我仍然对他有信心,因为他非常专注于他的目标,他一定会于某一天获得成功的。
所以,根据我的经验,光靠勤奋可能不会很容易得到你想要的结果。但是勤奋一定会让你成功。

Sumana Chowdhury
Yes. Always.
The story of my life is, perhaps, a good example of this. I began my schooling a year before I should have. I was one of the youngest students of my batch in school and teachers didn't expect me to pass my kindergarten final exams (!!) But I did, astonishingly. I was just 4 years old and my father told me that I could be a doctor if I kept working hard. It hardly made any sense to me. What does a 4 year old know?
All through out my primary and middle school, I was an average student. I would score an average mark in all subjects and come back home to be scolded by my parents. I never felt the need to study hard, I never understood why I should be doing that.
I was promoted to high school with average marks and my new scholastic year had begun. In India, high school is “big thing”, because apparently the result of your class 10 boards decides how the rest of your life will be; at least, I was told this (It wasn't true!) I still cannot remember which day it was, or how I got the motivation, or how I decide to change the way I was living my life. But I turned everything upside down. Suddenly I grew very fond of mathematics and science.! I scored 95% in both the subjects in my exam and a third rank in my entire batch.

没错,总是如此!
也许,我的人生故事就是一个很好的例子。我提早一年就开始上学了。我是学校里最年轻的学生之一,老师没想到我会通过幼儿园的期末考试!!但令人惊讶的是,我做到了。我当时只有4岁,我父亲告诉我,如果我继续努力,我可以成为一名医生。说这些对我来说几乎没有任何意义,一个4岁的孩子能知道什么?
在我的中小学期间,我是一个普通的学生。我会在所有科目中取得平均分,然后回家就受到父母的责骂。我从来没有觉得有必要努力学习,我从来都不明白我为什么要这样做。
我以平均分升入高中,新的学年开始了。在印度,高中是一件“大事”,因为很明显,你10年级的成绩决定了你以后的生活;至少,有人告诉我(这不是真的!)我仍然不记得那天是哪一天,也不记得我是如何获得动力的,也不记得我是如何决定改变我的生活方式的。但我把一切都颠倒了。突然,我变得非常喜欢数学和科学!我在考试中这两门科目的得分都达到了95分,在我的整批考试中排名第三。

My parents were taken by shock, I was surprised, happy, overwhelmed. I then passed my class 10 boards with distinction marks, my class 12 boards with 92% marks. I got through engineering entrance examination too, but I wanted to become a doctor. I kept working hard; I didn't sleep properly for an entire year, I studied more than I thought I could, I got dark circles, I lost weight, I had immense hairfall. Every morning I would wake up at 7 am, rush for my coaching classes, come back home, study till 2 am and then repeat the cycle again and again. And finally, I did crack it. I got through entrance examination.
And 8 years down the lane, I am a doctor. I am not proud of myself, but when I go to sleep, and when I have troubles sleeping and I look at my ceiling, I remember the days I have spent to be where I am right now, and I am contended.
I was just an average student with a not-so-average dream. My sheer will and hard work brought me to my destination.
Someone I know always says-
“Talent is over-rated, while hard work is under-rated".

我的父母被震惊了,我惊讶、高兴、不知所措。然后我以优异的成绩通过了10年级考试,以92分的成绩通过了12年级考试。我也通过了工科入学考试,但我想成为一名医生。我一直努力工作;我整整一年都没睡好觉,我的学习超出了我的想象,我得了黑眼圈,还减肥了,我掉了很多头发。每天早上7点醒来,赶去上辅导班,回到家,学习到凌晨2点,然后一遍又一遍地重复这个循环。最后,我突破了,并通过了入学考试。
8年后,我成了一名医生。我并不为自己感到骄傲,但当我入睡时,当我有睡眠障碍时,当我看着天花板时,我记得我花了多少时间才走到今天这一步,对此我很有斗志。
我只是一个普通的学生,有一个不那么普通的梦想。纯粹的意志和勤奋把我带到了目的地。
我认识的人总是说:“天赋被高估,勤被低估”。

Mark Nations
In the hard work vs. talent issue, you will meet four types of people.
The non-talented and lazy. Those are the worst. They typically survive by stealing credit from others for things that get accomplished.
The talented but lazy. They have ability but no ambition to put their talents to good use. They are a sad case as despite ability, you just can't depend on them. They will usually not last on the job despite their talents.
The untalented but hard working. They may not be the most gifted but you can depend on best effort to get things done even if they don't always have the best original ideas or have the ability to be the fastest to accomplish tasks. They can be depended upon to get things done but not necessarily at the fastest pace.
The talented and motivated. These are the Superstars and most valuable employees. They are smart and sharp and always give best effort.
In the end, talent is useless unless also joined with an ability and willingness to use it. In the end companies don’t care about good intentions, they care about results because good intentions don’t make them money…

在勤奋与天赋的问题上,你会遇到四种类型的人。
没有天赋和懒惰的人。这些是最糟糕的。他们通常通过从他人那里窃取成就感来生存。
才华横溢但懒惰的人。他们有能力但没有雄心壮志充分利用自己的才能。他们是一个可悲的例子,尽管有能力,但你不能依赖天赋。尽管他们才华横溢,但他们通常不能胜任这份工作。
没有天赋但勤奋的人。他们可能不是最有天赋的,但可以依靠刻苦努力来完成事情,即使他们并不总是有最好的原创想法,或者没有能力以最快的速度完成任务。可以依靠他们去完成事情,但不一定以最快的速度完成。
才华横溢、积极上进。他们是超级明星和最有价值的员工。他们聪明敏锐,总是竭尽全力。
归根结底,天赋是无用的,除非还加上使用天赋能力和意愿。最终,公司并不关心良好的意图,他们在乎结果,因为良好的意图不会让他们赚钱…

David Stoliker
That’s like saying `money doesn’t make you happy’; this is a platitude used to placate the majority of the population which is poor and doomed to wage slavery.
You can’t change whether you are born with a talent, but you can choose to work hard. Sometimes you can overcome your lack of talent, but at the highest levels of anything talent will tell. You can bust your ass to become a pro baseball player, but you will never be one of the best without good genes.

这就像说“钱不会让你快乐”;这是用来安抚大多数穷人和注定要做奴隶的人的陈词滥调。
你不能改变你是否天生就有天赋,但你可以选择努力工作。有时,你可以克服自己的天赋不足,但在最高水平上,天赋可以发挥作用。你可以努力成为一名职业棒球运动员,但如果没有好的基因,你永远不会成为最好的球员。

Anonymous
Not at all. Hard work cannot beat Talent. Period.
Talented people who work hard, will be very successful
Talented people who DO NOT work hard, will be failures.
Less talented people who DO NOT work hard, will be failures.
Less talented people who work hard, will be successful.
Less talented people who work extremely hard, will be very very successful.
Remember, hard work brings luck. so the more you work hard, more you will be successful.
Pl compare this only within the same vocations. So you cannot compare someone working in a job limited by the salary with someone who is a entrepreneur who can potentially earn in millions.

一点也不,勤奋不能战胜天赋,就说这些。
努力工作的人才会非常成功
有才华的人不努力工作,就会失败。
才华横溢的人如果不努力工作,就会失败。
没有才华的人,只要努力,就会成功。
才华横溢的人如果工作非常努力,就会非常成功。
记住,努力工作会带来好运。所以你越努力,你就会越成功。
我只在相同的职业中比较这一点。因此,你不能将一个从事受工资限制的工作的人与一个可能赚数百万美元的企业家进行比较。

Cam Bennett
Does hard work really beat talent as most people claim?
I’m going to identify the unmentioned activity here a ‘craft’, hoping that covers anything people associate with talent. I’m going to assume this is not a question about being the absolute best, but whether or not a person who doesn’t start with talent could be better than someone who does.
Hard work and talent are mutually exclusive. A lazy talented person will fail to develop.
Talent:
Talent is your natural ability. By itself, talent is kind of a nice thing. There are a tiny, tiny minority of people who are exceptional. People like Mozart who showed genius as a toddler. Prodigies who have their talent nurtured as children, and work very hard, will become extraordinary. I don’t think this question is about those rare individuals. And note: hard work is still part of the equation.
I’m also going to assume we’re talking about adults at roughly the same level of exposure. An adult who has never played guitar will almost certainly be worse than an adult who has played casually for 20 years (although not definitely!).

像大多数人所说的那样,勤奋真的能打败天赋吗?
我将把这里未提及的活动称为“手艺”,希望它涵盖人们与天赋相关的一切。我将假设这不是一个关于成为绝对最好的人的问题,而是一个没有天赋的人是否能比有天赋的人做得更好。
勤奋和天赋是相互排斥的,懒惰的人才无法取得发展。
天赋:
天赋是你天生的能力,天赋本身就是一件好事。有一小部分人是例外。人们喜欢莫扎特,他在蹒跚学步时就表现出天赋。天才们从小就有天赋,并且非常努力,为此他们将变得非凡。我不认为这个问题是关于那些罕见的个体。注意:勤奋仍然是等式的一部分。
我还将假设我们谈论的是处于大致相同天赋能力的成年人。一个从未弹过吉他的成年人几乎肯定会比一个随意弹了20年吉他的成年人变现更糟糕(虽然不是绝对的!)。

Hard Work:
Hard work needs to be defined. People work hard all the time and don’t amount to much. You need to work hard at certain things when you want to get good at your craft.
Develop understanding: Everything we do is governed by some kind of rules. Painting, music, sports. Everything. You need to learn the rules of your craft.
Understanding a craft is a matter of peeling back it’s layers. I drew the graphic above, but I didn’t come up with the concept. It’s been around since before I was born, and I don’t know if it’s attributed to a person. I was shown this by a teacher on a white board when I was in school. The notion is that learning (your craft) is knowing that there is much more that you don’t know than what you do know. In other words, once you start, you’ll realize there is much more depth than you ever thought.
Practice: The more you practice the better you get. At anything. Practice constantly. Daily. Practice as much as required to get better, but not so much that you lose enthusiasm.
Make sure to develop your strengths and overcome your weaknesses. Be self-observant in practice. If you stick with the things you’re good at, you’ll always do the other things poorly.
Practice easy things first and work up to more complex things. Just make sure to constantly challenge yourself. And then go back and be awesome at the things you are already good at. Feels good. Builds confidence.
Perform: Speaking of showing off, get out there and show your stuff. Have a show, join a team, join a band, busk. If you perform badly, dust off and go again. This is how you learn to do your thing in front of people and hopefully achieve the goal of the performance. Don’t practice during a performance. Do what you can do flawlessly. Don’t advertise your mistakes.

勤奋:
勤奋需要定义。人们一直在努力工作,但并不多。当你想精通你的手艺时,你需要在某些事情上付出努力。
培养理解力:我们所做的一切都受到某种规则的制约。绘画、音乐、运动。每件事你需要学习你的手艺规则。
了解一种工艺就是剥去它的外表。我画了上面的图形,但我没有想出这个概念。它在我出生之前就已经存在了,我不知道它是否属于一个人。我上学的时候,一位老师在白板上给我看了这个。这个概念是,学习(你的技能)就是知道你不知道的比你知道的要多得多。换言之,一旦你开始,你会意识到它比你想象的更有深度。
练习:你练习得越多越好。任何事情。不断练习。每日练习是为了变得更好,尽可能多地练习,但不要太多以至于失去热情。
一定要扬长避短。在实践中要善于自我观察。如果你坚持做你擅长的事情,其他方面事情你总是处理得很糟糕。
先练习简单的事情,然后再练习更复杂的事情。只要确保不断挑战自己。然后反复练习,将你已经擅长的事情上做得很棒,形成更好的感觉,建立信心。
表演:说到炫耀,走出去展示你的东西:表演、加入团队、加入乐队、街头表演。如果你表现不好,掸掉灰尘再去。这就是你如何学会在人们面前做这些事情,并希望达到能表演的目标,不要在演出期间练习。把你能做的事情做到完美,不要宣扬你的错误之处。

Get feedback: There are two types of feedback. Critical feedback from experts: people who can identify the technical aspects of your craft. These people will help you overcome specific things related to your craft. Teachers, coaches, mentors. Your development is much easier and faster when you have someone good helping you and you’re motivated to succeed. The ‘fit’ is as important as the credential. You might have the most successful coach in the biz, but if the relationship isn’t working, it will be detrimental to your success.
General feedback from everyone else: people who want to criticize you. These are the people who watch you perform. Take it with a grain of salt. But take it seriously. You might find they are onto something that no one else noticed. Or they may confirm something everyone else has said. Or they might just be jerks.
Experiment: After you know the rules of the game and have developed some skills, test the boundaries. Try things that are not in the playbook. Bend the rules to suit your style. Most of these things won’t work. But some will. Then people will wonder where you got all that talent.
Conclusion
Talent accounts for a small part of becoming great. Hard work in acquiring knowledge, focused practice, performance, receiving and applying feedback, and experimentation accounts for the rest. Picasso famously said La inspiración existe, pero tiene que encontrarte trabajando. (Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working.) (This has also been quoted by far less talented people, but it started with Picasso.)

获得反馈:有两种类型的反馈。来自专家的关键反馈:能够识别你的工艺技术方面的人员。这些人将帮助你克服与你的工艺相关的具体问题—教师、教练、导师。当有人帮助你并且你有成功的动力时,你的发展会更容易更快。“契合度”和证书一样重要。你可能有职场上最成功的教练,但如果这段关系不匹配,它将不利于你取得成功。
其他人的一般反馈:想批评你的人。这些是看你表演的人。把它和盐一起吃下,但要认真对待。你可能会发现他们发现了其他人没有注意到的事情。或者他们可能会证实其他人说过的话,或者他们可能只是发表些混蛋言论。
实验:在你了解了游戏规则并掌握了一些技能后,测试一下边界。尝试行动手册中没有的事情。改变规则以适合你的风格。这些事情大多行不通,但有些人能做到,然后人们会想知道你是从哪里得到这些天赋的。
结论
天赋在成就伟人中只占很小的一部分。在获取知识、专注实践、表现、接收和应用反馈以及实验方面的勤奋是天赋之外的加分项。毕加索有一句名言,那就是“激励存在”(La inspiración existe),pero tiene que Encontrate trabajando。(有创造性的人的动机是愿望实现,而不是希望打败别人—这句话也被才华远不如他的人引用过,但这是从毕加索开始的。)。

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