调查显示，英国有1000多个大型畜禽养殖场
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(Chickens crammed in a factory farm; there are four poultry farms in the UK registered for more than 1 million birds.)
（工厂化的养鸡场里挤满了鸡；在英国有四个家禽农场登记了超过100万只家禽。）
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UK has more than 1,000 livestock mega-farms, investigation reveals
-Newly published figures show for first time how US-style factory farms have spread across British countryside
调查显示，英国有1000多个大型畜禽养殖场
——最新公布的数据首次显示了美式工厂化农场是如何在英国乡村蔓延的
-Newly published figures show for first time how US-style factory farms have spread across British countryside
调查显示，英国有1000多个大型畜禽养殖场
——最新公布的数据首次显示了美式工厂化农场是如何在英国乡村蔓延的
(Chickens crammed in a factory farm; there are four poultry farms in the UK registered for more than 1 million birds.)
（工厂化的养鸡场里挤满了鸡；在英国有四个家禽农场登记了超过100万只家禽。）
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There are more than 1,000 US-style mega-farms in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, including some holding as many as a million animals, according to a new investigation.
根据一项新的调查，在英格兰、威尔士和北爱尔兰有超过1000个美国式的大型农场，其中一些农场饲养了多达100万只畜禽。
根据一项新的调查，在英格兰、威尔士和北爱尔兰有超过1000个美国式的大型农场，其中一些农场饲养了多达100万只畜禽。
In the US, mega-farms are defined as those that hold more than 125,000 birds reared for meat, or 82,000 egg-laying hens, 2,500 pigs, 700 dairy cows or 1,000 beef cattle. These are labelled by US officials as a concentrated animal feeding operation (CAFO).
在美国，超大型农场被定义为“拥有超过12.5万只肉禽、8.2万只蛋鸡、2500头猪、700头奶牛或1000头肉牛的农场”。这些被美国官员称为“集中式畜禽饲养运营”。
在美国，超大型农场被定义为“拥有超过12.5万只肉禽、8.2万只蛋鸡、2500头猪、700头奶牛或1000头肉牛的农场”。这些被美国官员称为“集中式畜禽饲养运营”。
By 2021, the number of farms in the UK that met the US definition of a CAFO, or mega-farm, was 1,099, according to research.
研究显示，到2021年，英国符合美国“集中式畜禽饲养运营”定义的农场数量为1099家。
研究显示，到2021年，英国符合美国“集中式畜禽饲养运营”定义的农场数量为1099家。
This figure is known to be an underestimate owing to the omission of Scottish data, which was unavailable because of a cyber-attack in 2020.
据悉，这一数据被低估了，因为苏格兰的数据在2020年因网络攻击而无法获取。
据悉，这一数据被低估了，因为苏格兰的数据在2020年因网络攻击而无法获取。
The march of these US-style mega-farms in the UK was revealed in a Guardian investigation in 2017, but up-to-date data has been published this week in a book, Sixty Harvests Left: How to Reach a Nature-Friendly Future, by Philip Lymbery, chief executive of Compassion in World Farming (CIWF).
《卫报》2017年的一项调查揭示了这些美国式超级农场在英国的发展趋势，但最新数据已在本周出版的《剩下的60个收获：如何实现自然友好型的未来》一书中发表，该书由世界农业同情组织首席执行官菲利普·利姆贝里撰写。
《卫报》2017年的一项调查揭示了这些美国式超级农场在英国的发展趋势，但最新数据已在本周出版的《剩下的60个收获：如何实现自然友好型的未来》一书中发表，该书由世界农业同情组织首席执行官菲利普·利姆贝里撰写。
In England alone, the number of mega-farms increased from 818 in 2016 to 944 in 2020. Of these, 745 house poultry and 199 are for pigs. There are four poultry farms in the UK registered for 1 million birds, with the largest holding up to 1.4 million. For pigs, the biggest three farms hold more than 20,000 pigs.
仅在英国，超级农场的数量就从2016年的818个增加到了2020年的944个。其中家禽农场745个，生猪农场199个。在英国有四个家禽农场登记了100万只家禽，其中最大的农场有140万只。在生猪方面，最大的三个农场拥有超过2万头猪。
仅在英国，超级农场的数量就从2016年的818个增加到了2020年的944个。其中家禽农场745个，生猪农场199个。在英国有四个家禽农场登记了100万只家禽，其中最大的农场有140万只。在生猪方面，最大的三个农场拥有超过2万头猪。
There are also at least 19 dairies that meet the criteria of a “mega-dairy”. Cows held in intensive dairies are “zero-grazed”, which means they are not allowed out into fields and are permanently housed inside sheds. The largest one in the UK appears to hold 2,000 animals.
此外，至少有19家奶牛场符合“超级奶牛场”的标准。在集约化奶牛场饲养的奶牛是“零放牧”的，这意味着它们不被允许到田野里去，而是被永久地安置在牛棚里。英国最大的一个奶牛农场似乎养了2000只牲畜。
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此外，至少有19家奶牛场符合“超级奶牛场”的标准。在集约化奶牛场饲养的奶牛是“零放牧”的，这意味着它们不被允许到田野里去，而是被永久地安置在牛棚里。英国最大的一个奶牛农场似乎养了2000只牲畜。
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In addition, nine mega-farms hold 1,000 or more beef cattle. US-style beef feedlots, where cattle are fattened up before slaughter, were first identified as existing in the UK in a Guardian investigation in 2018.
此外，9个大型农场拥有1000头以上的肉牛。2018年《卫报》的一项调查首次发现，在英国存在美国式的牛肉饲养场，牛会在屠宰前被养肥。
此外，9个大型农场拥有1000头以上的肉牛。2018年《卫报》的一项调查首次发现，在英国存在美国式的牛肉饲养场，牛会在屠宰前被养肥。
Industrial farming maximises production while keeping costs to a minimum to produce cheap meat and dairy – the UK slaughters 1 billion chickens, 10 million pigs and 2.6 million cattle a year – and the majority of UK farmed animals are kept in intensive units.
工业化养殖使产量最大化，同时将成本降至最低，以生产廉价的肉类和奶制品——英国每年屠宰10亿只鸡、1000万头猪和260万头牛——而且英国大多数农场饲养的动物都是集中饲养的。
工业化养殖使产量最大化，同时将成本降至最低，以生产廉价的肉类和奶制品——英国每年屠宰10亿只鸡、1000万头猪和260万头牛——而且英国大多数农场饲养的动物都是集中饲养的。
However, there are concerns that intensive farming is driving climate change, water and air pollution, biodiversity loss and negatively affecting local communities, including introducing potential health risks associated with ammonia pollution. Intensive livestock farming has also been blamed for increasing disease risk.
然而，人们担心集约化农业正在推动气候变化、水和空气污染、生物多样性丧失，并对当地社区产生负面影响，包括引入与氨污染相关的潜在健康风险。集约化的畜牧业也被认为是增加疾病风险的原因。
然而，人们担心集约化农业正在推动气候变化、水和空气污染、生物多样性丧失，并对当地社区产生负面影响，包括引入与氨污染相关的潜在健康风险。集约化的畜牧业也被认为是增加疾病风险的原因。
In Europe, the Dutch government recently introduced plans to radically reduce livestock numbers to curb excessive nitrogen from intensive farming.
在欧洲，荷兰政府最近推出了大幅减少牲畜数量的计划，以遏制集约化养殖带来的氮过量问题。
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在欧洲，荷兰政府最近推出了大幅减少牲畜数量的计划，以遏制集约化养殖带来的氮过量问题。
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Animal welfare activists say animals in mega-farms are denied the ability to express natural behaviours. Keeping animals in “crowded, largely barren conditions” and using fast-growing chicken breeds and farrowing crates for pigs “calls into question our claims to be a nation of animal lovers”, said Philip Lymbery, chief executive of Compassion in World Farming.
动物福利活动家说，大型农场的动物被剥夺了表达自然行为的能力。世界农场同情组织的首席执行官菲利普·利姆伯里说，把动物饲养在“拥挤、基本上贫瘠的环境中”，并使用快速生长的鸡品种和猪的产仔限位栏，“使我们自称是一个热爱动物的国家的说法受到了质疑”。
动物福利活动家说，大型农场的动物被剥夺了表达自然行为的能力。世界农场同情组织的首席执行官菲利普·利姆伯里说，把动物饲养在“拥挤、基本上贫瘠的环境中”，并使用快速生长的鸡品种和猪的产仔限位栏，“使我们自称是一个热爱动物的国家的说法受到了质疑”。
Lizzie Wilson from the National Pig Association said big does not necessarily equal bad: “Larger scale farms are often able to provide more resources, such as more stock people, a dedicated vet … that actually facilitate good animal welfare.”
但来自全国养猪协会的莉齐·威尔逊说，大并不一定等于坏：“规模更大的农场往往能够提供更多的资源，比如更多的牲畜饲养员，一个专门的兽医……这实际上有利于良好的动物福利。”
但来自全国养猪协会的莉齐·威尔逊说，大并不一定等于坏：“规模更大的农场往往能够提供更多的资源，比如更多的牲畜饲养员，一个专门的兽医……这实际上有利于良好的动物福利。”
The British Poultry Council’s chief executive, Richard Griffiths, said all production systems in the UK included good welfare: “Systems perceived as ‘higher welfare’ are more resource intensive with lower efficiency and productivity, with an accompanying impact on the environment and the cost of production.”
英国家禽协会首席执行官理查德·格里菲斯说，英国所有的生产体系都包含良好的福利：“被认为‘高福利’的体系更依赖资源，效率和生产率更低，对环境和生产成本也会产生影响。”
英国家禽协会首席执行官理查德·格里菲斯说，英国所有的生产体系都包含良好的福利：“被认为‘高福利’的体系更依赖资源，效率和生产率更低，对环境和生产成本也会产生影响。”
A spokesperson for the National Farmers’ unx said: “No matter what sector or size of the farm, or whether indoor or outdoor, animal health and welfare is a continued priority for all British farmers, as they know that the public hugely values the high standards of animal health and welfare that farmers work to.”
全国农民联盟的一名发言人说：“无论农场的领域或规模如何，无论是室内还是室外，动物健康和福利都是所有英国农民的优先考虑事项，因为他们知道公众非常重视农民为之工作的高标准动物健康和福利。”
全国农民联盟的一名发言人说：“无论农场的领域或规模如何，无论是室内还是室外，动物健康和福利都是所有英国农民的优先考虑事项，因为他们知道公众非常重视农民为之工作的高标准动物健康和福利。”
A spokesperson for the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB) said the vast majority of beef and dairy cattle in the UK were “grazing outdoors throughout the year for as long as the weather conditions permit”.
农业和园艺发展局的一位发言人说，英国绝大多数的肉牛和奶牛“只要天气条件允许，全年都在户外放牧”。
农业和园艺发展局的一位发言人说，英国绝大多数的肉牛和奶牛“只要天气条件允许，全年都在户外放牧”。
As UK farming changes, there are calls for reform. The Scrap Factory Farming campaign is taking a case to the European court of human rights, alleging that the government is failing to protect the public from climate change and the threat of future pandemics from factory farming.
随着英国农业的变化，改革呼声不断。废除工厂化养殖运动正在向欧洲人权法庭提起诉讼，声称政府未能保护公众免受气候变化和工厂化养殖未来大流行的威胁。
随着英国农业的变化，改革呼声不断。废除工厂化养殖运动正在向欧洲人权法庭提起诉讼，声称政府未能保护公众免受气候变化和工厂化养殖未来大流行的威胁。
“Let’s stop denying that factory farming is inherently cruel and a major driver of wildlife decline and climate change,” Lymbery told the Guardian.
“让我们停止否认工厂化养殖本质上是残忍的，是野生动物减少和气候变化的主要驱动因素，”利伯里告诉《卫报》。
“让我们停止否认工厂化养殖本质上是残忍的，是野生动物减少和气候变化的主要驱动因素，”利伯里告诉《卫报》。
A spokesperson for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said all farms, regardless of size, had to comply with UK law on animal health and welfare, planning, veterinary medicines and environmental legislation.
英国环境、食品和农村事务部的一位发言人说，所有农场，无论大小，都必须遵守英国有关动物健康和福利、规划、兽药和环境立法的法律。
英国环境、食品和农村事务部的一位发言人说，所有农场，无论大小，都必须遵守英国有关动物健康和福利、规划、兽药和环境立法的法律。
“The Animal Welfare Act 2006 also makes it an offence either to cause any captive animal unnecessary suffering or to fail to provide the welfare needs of the animal – and we will not hesitate to take action against those who fail to meet these standards.”
“《2006年动物福利法》也规定，对任何被囚禁的动物造成不必要的痛苦或未能提供动物福利需求都是一种犯罪——我们将毫不犹豫地对那些未能达到这些标准的人采取行动。”
“《2006年动物福利法》也规定，对任何被囚禁的动物造成不必要的痛苦或未能提供动物福利需求都是一种犯罪——我们将毫不犹豫地对那些未能达到这些标准的人采取行动。”
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AaronAAaronsson
An entire industry dedicated making innocent creatures of this earth suffer. Any wonder the Vegans are so vocal?!
N.Ireland is terrible for all this. We have no independent environment agency and a government propping up the farms. We have huge industrial factory farms for cattle and pigs.
I completely went off pork as soon as I saw one of these places. Hardly eat chicken. (Only organic eggs) and hardly any dairy.
One trip to one of these places will at minimum, make you a vegetarian almost instantly.
I don't think there's such a thing as a 'good farm' however there are farmers out there who genuinely look out for the welfare of their livestock. So it's not all doom and gloom but it's not good either.
Someday, we are going to all pay the price for this.
Just wait. An antibiotic resistance superstrain of bacteria will form eventually. One for which, there is simply no cure, because it will be resistant to every drug known to mankind.
It will be nature's way of stopping all this suffering.
整个行业致力于让地球上无辜的生物受苦。难怪素食主义者会这么大声疾呼？！
就这一切而言，北爱尔兰是可怕的。我们没有独立的环境机构，只有支持农场的政府。我们有巨大的牛和猪工业化农场。
我一看到这些牲畜农场，就完全不吃猪肉了。几乎也不吃吃鸡。（只吃有机鸡蛋）并几乎不买乳制品。
只要去这些地方一次，你就会立刻变成素食主义者。
我不认为有所谓的“好农场”，但是有一些农民真的关心他们的牲畜的福利。所以这并不完全是悲观的，但也不是好事。
总有一天，我们都会为此付出代价。
等着瞧吧。最终会产生一种耐抗生素的超级菌株。这种病根本无法治愈，因为它对人类已知的所有药物都有抗药性。
这将是大自然停止这一切苦难的方式。
An entire industry dedicated making innocent creatures of this earth suffer. Any wonder the Vegans are so vocal?!
N.Ireland is terrible for all this. We have no independent environment agency and a government propping up the farms. We have huge industrial factory farms for cattle and pigs.
I completely went off pork as soon as I saw one of these places. Hardly eat chicken. (Only organic eggs) and hardly any dairy.
One trip to one of these places will at minimum, make you a vegetarian almost instantly.
I don't think there's such a thing as a 'good farm' however there are farmers out there who genuinely look out for the welfare of their livestock. So it's not all doom and gloom but it's not good either.
Someday, we are going to all pay the price for this.
Just wait. An antibiotic resistance superstrain of bacteria will form eventually. One for which, there is simply no cure, because it will be resistant to every drug known to mankind.
It will be nature's way of stopping all this suffering.
整个行业致力于让地球上无辜的生物受苦。难怪素食主义者会这么大声疾呼？！
就这一切而言，北爱尔兰是可怕的。我们没有独立的环境机构，只有支持农场的政府。我们有巨大的牛和猪工业化农场。
我一看到这些牲畜农场，就完全不吃猪肉了。几乎也不吃吃鸡。（只吃有机鸡蛋）并几乎不买乳制品。
只要去这些地方一次，你就会立刻变成素食主义者。
我不认为有所谓的“好农场”，但是有一些农民真的关心他们的牲畜的福利。所以这并不完全是悲观的，但也不是好事。
总有一天，我们都会为此付出代价。
等着瞧吧。最终会产生一种耐抗生素的超级菌株。这种病根本无法治愈，因为它对人类已知的所有药物都有抗药性。
这将是大自然停止这一切苦难的方式。
bruce8976
It didn’t say anything about sheep alot of farms with will have over 1000 sheep when it comes to lambing are these being counted. Plus winter time cows don’t go out to graze they have sheds and an and outside penning area like in the news not in the farms interest to leave them out all winter as they don’t cope well with the cold
文章没有提到羊，很多农场有1000多只羊，当羊羔被计算在内的话。另外，冬天的牛不出去吃草，它们有牲口棚和像文章中那样的圈地，农场不愿意让它们整个冬天都呆在外面，因为它们不能很好地应对寒冷
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It didn’t say anything about sheep alot of farms with will have over 1000 sheep when it comes to lambing are these being counted. Plus winter time cows don’t go out to graze they have sheds and an and outside penning area like in the news not in the farms interest to leave them out all winter as they don’t cope well with the cold
文章没有提到羊，很多农场有1000多只羊，当羊羔被计算在内的话。另外，冬天的牛不出去吃草，它们有牲口棚和像文章中那样的圈地，农场不愿意让它们整个冬天都呆在外面，因为它们不能很好地应对寒冷
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PuppyloveInn
Shocking.I love my meat and I no an animal is killed for it.But come on at least give these animals acceptable living conditions before they goto the slaughter house.Makes me want to go vegan and I've tried it before and it failed. I hate humans sometimes we are soo fucking cruel.
令人震惊。我喜欢我的肉，我知道牲畜是为了提供肉而被杀的。但是拜托，至少在这些牲畜去屠宰场之前，给它们一个可以接受的生活条件吧。这让我想变成素食主义者，我以前试过，但失败了。我讨厌人类，有时候我们太残忍了。
Shocking.I love my meat and I no an animal is killed for it.But come on at least give these animals acceptable living conditions before they goto the slaughter house.Makes me want to go vegan and I've tried it before and it failed. I hate humans sometimes we are soo fucking cruel.
令人震惊。我喜欢我的肉，我知道牲畜是为了提供肉而被杀的。但是拜托，至少在这些牲畜去屠宰场之前，给它们一个可以接受的生活条件吧。这让我想变成素食主义者，我以前试过，但失败了。我讨厌人类，有时候我们太残忍了。
echoattempt
The reason this exists is because people, just like yourself, create a demand for it and support it by buying these products. If we stop supporting it then it goes away.
Why wasn't veganism for you? What would stop you trying it again?
它存在的原因是因为人，就像你一样的人，创造了对它的需求，并通过购买这些产品来支持它。如果我们停止支持它，它就会消失。
为什么素食主义不适合你？有什么会阻止你再试一次？
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The reason this exists is because people, just like yourself, create a demand for it and support it by buying these products. If we stop supporting it then it goes away.
Why wasn't veganism for you? What would stop you trying it again?
它存在的原因是因为人，就像你一样的人，创造了对它的需求，并通过购买这些产品来支持它。如果我们停止支持它，它就会消失。
为什么素食主义不适合你？有什么会阻止你再试一次？
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BiggestStalin
Fuck off mate, people can eat what they want.
I assume you also only buy locally made clothes, and not anything from places like Primark, Nike, Adidas etc, I assume you seen the factory where the phone you typed on was made? I assume you know the conditions of the workers on the farms that make your plants?
If your gonna bash people for eating meat because the industry that makes them is cruel, then open your fucking eyes because EVERY industry is cruel. In fact, you live in the West right? Stop living because your quality of life and nations wealth is all propped up on the economic destitution of billions of other people.
Vegans are the largest hypocrites on the planet
滚蛋，伙计，人们想吃什么就吃什么。
我猜你也只买当地生产的衣服，而不买普里马克、耐克、阿迪达斯等公司生产的衣服吧。我猜你看过你发言的手机的工厂吧？我想你知道生产你的素食的农场工人的工作条件吧？
如果你要因为生产肉类的行业残忍而抨击人们吃肉，那就睁大你的眼睛，因为每个行业都是残忍的。事实上，你生活在西方，对吗？赶紧别活了，因为你们的生活质量和国家财富都是靠数十亿人的经济贫困支撑起来的。
素食者是这个星球上最大的伪君子
Fuck off mate, people can eat what they want.
I assume you also only buy locally made clothes, and not anything from places like Primark, Nike, Adidas etc, I assume you seen the factory where the phone you typed on was made? I assume you know the conditions of the workers on the farms that make your plants?
If your gonna bash people for eating meat because the industry that makes them is cruel, then open your fucking eyes because EVERY industry is cruel. In fact, you live in the West right? Stop living because your quality of life and nations wealth is all propped up on the economic destitution of billions of other people.
Vegans are the largest hypocrites on the planet
滚蛋，伙计，人们想吃什么就吃什么。
我猜你也只买当地生产的衣服，而不买普里马克、耐克、阿迪达斯等公司生产的衣服吧。我猜你看过你发言的手机的工厂吧？我想你知道生产你的素食的农场工人的工作条件吧？
如果你要因为生产肉类的行业残忍而抨击人们吃肉，那就睁大你的眼睛，因为每个行业都是残忍的。事实上，你生活在西方，对吗？赶紧别活了，因为你们的生活质量和国家财富都是靠数十亿人的经济贫困支撑起来的。
素食者是这个星球上最大的伪君子
echoattempt
Nothing you have said is a justification for eating animals.
You think that because workers are exploited to produce clothes, we should also cause suffering to animals? Not eating animal doesn't increase the suffering of those exploited workers, it isn't an all or nothing type of deal. I am aware of the suffering caused by my existence and I reduce what I can, part of that is not supporting animal products, only buying second hand clothes, not buying new tech, reducing what I own, etc. I'm not sure what part of that makes me a hypocrite, but if you're trying to argue that there's no way to live 100% ethically then I agree, but that doesn't mean we should do nothing.
This is the classic 'no ethical consumption under capitalism, so do nothing' argument that taken to it's logical conclusion means we really shouldn't bother trying to change anything if we can't fix everything all at once. Fuck that, I'll do what I can and encourage everyone else to and fuck anyone who tries to put others down for trying to make the world a better place. It isn't a big sacrifice to slightly change my lifestyle and not buy animal products.
你所说的一切都不是吃动物的正当理由。
你认为因为工人被剥削来生产衣服，所以我们也应该给动物造成痛苦吗？不吃动物并不会增加那些被剥削工人的痛苦，这不是一种全有或全无的交易。我意识到我的存在带来的痛苦，我减少了我能减少的东西，其中一部分就是不支持动物产品，只买二手衣服，不买新科技产品，减少我拥有的东西，等等。我不确定这哪一点让我变成了伪君子，但如果你想说没有办法百分百地道德生活，那我同意，但这并不意味着我们应该啥都不干。
这是经典的“资本主义下没有道德消费，所以什么都不做”的论点，背后是这么一种逻辑：如果我们不能一次性解决所有问题，我们真的不应该尝试改变任何事情。去tmd，我会尽我所能，并鼓励大家也这么干，去tmd那些贬低其他致力于让世界变得更美好的人的人。稍微改变一下我的生活方式，不买动物产品，并不是什么大的牺牲。
Nothing you have said is a justification for eating animals.
You think that because workers are exploited to produce clothes, we should also cause suffering to animals? Not eating animal doesn't increase the suffering of those exploited workers, it isn't an all or nothing type of deal. I am aware of the suffering caused by my existence and I reduce what I can, part of that is not supporting animal products, only buying second hand clothes, not buying new tech, reducing what I own, etc. I'm not sure what part of that makes me a hypocrite, but if you're trying to argue that there's no way to live 100% ethically then I agree, but that doesn't mean we should do nothing.
This is the classic 'no ethical consumption under capitalism, so do nothing' argument that taken to it's logical conclusion means we really shouldn't bother trying to change anything if we can't fix everything all at once. Fuck that, I'll do what I can and encourage everyone else to and fuck anyone who tries to put others down for trying to make the world a better place. It isn't a big sacrifice to slightly change my lifestyle and not buy animal products.
你所说的一切都不是吃动物的正当理由。
你认为因为工人被剥削来生产衣服，所以我们也应该给动物造成痛苦吗？不吃动物并不会增加那些被剥削工人的痛苦，这不是一种全有或全无的交易。我意识到我的存在带来的痛苦，我减少了我能减少的东西，其中一部分就是不支持动物产品，只买二手衣服，不买新科技产品，减少我拥有的东西，等等。我不确定这哪一点让我变成了伪君子，但如果你想说没有办法百分百地道德生活，那我同意，但这并不意味着我们应该啥都不干。
这是经典的“资本主义下没有道德消费，所以什么都不做”的论点，背后是这么一种逻辑：如果我们不能一次性解决所有问题，我们真的不应该尝试改变任何事情。去tmd，我会尽我所能，并鼓励大家也这么干，去tmd那些贬低其他致力于让世界变得更美好的人的人。稍微改变一下我的生活方式，不买动物产品，并不是什么大的牺牲。
usernametbdsomeday
The welfare of, and experience of short, horrific lives these animals have is often so disturbing that images of the conditions and treatment get taken down from social media. I would encourage anyone with a few minutes to do some research into the practices at these. Utterly heartbreaking.
这些动物短暂而可怕的生命的福利和经历常常令人不安，以至于它们的状况和治疗的图片从社交媒体上被下架。我鼓励任何有时间的人对这些实践做一些研究。真是彻底心碎。
The welfare of, and experience of short, horrific lives these animals have is often so disturbing that images of the conditions and treatment get taken down from social media. I would encourage anyone with a few minutes to do some research into the practices at these. Utterly heartbreaking.
这些动物短暂而可怕的生命的福利和经历常常令人不安，以至于它们的状况和治疗的图片从社交媒体上被下架。我鼓励任何有时间的人对这些实践做一些研究。真是彻底心碎。
sohas
The obvious solution: Go vegan and encourage others to do the same.
显而易见的解决方案是：变成素食主义者，并鼓励其他人也这样做。
The obvious solution: Go vegan and encourage others to do the same.
显而易见的解决方案是：变成素食主义者，并鼓励其他人也这样做。
little_winks
Went vegan years ago after learning about some of practices in meat and dairy farming, though have not converted anyone else in that time. Got accusations of being preachy til I gave up trying to influence others. At the point now of thinking I'm doing my bit and each to their own, though this seems a bit defeatist. Obviously wow others with my cooking, though how else can you persuade others without coming across all righteous?
几年前，在了解了一些肉类和奶制品养殖的做法后，我成为了素食主义者，尽管在那个时候没有改变任何人。有人指责我爱说教直到我放弃影响别人。现在我在想，我在出自己的一份力，每个人都有自己的一份力，尽管这似乎有点失败主义。很明显，我的厨艺让别人赞叹不已，不过，如果你不觉得自己是正义的，你还能怎么说服别人呢？
Went vegan years ago after learning about some of practices in meat and dairy farming, though have not converted anyone else in that time. Got accusations of being preachy til I gave up trying to influence others. At the point now of thinking I'm doing my bit and each to their own, though this seems a bit defeatist. Obviously wow others with my cooking, though how else can you persuade others without coming across all righteous?
几年前，在了解了一些肉类和奶制品养殖的做法后，我成为了素食主义者，尽管在那个时候没有改变任何人。有人指责我爱说教直到我放弃影响别人。现在我在想，我在出自己的一份力，每个人都有自己的一份力，尽管这似乎有点失败主义。很明显，我的厨艺让别人赞叹不已，不过，如果你不觉得自己是正义的，你还能怎么说服别人呢？
jupiterLILY
That’s a tough sell for a lot of people.
We personally treat meat as a luxury, we spend maximum £20 a month on organic, high welfare meat. Some months we don’t have it at all. Personally I’ve had more luck influencing people’s meat consumption when approaching it this way.
This expectation that you should be able to cheaply eat meat for several meals a day is disgusting.
People are so detached from the lives of the creatures that they eat. I know some people that don’t want to eat chicken off the bone because it reminds them that it was an animal. That’s just so disrespectful to me.
这对很多人来说很难接受。
我们个人认为肉类是一种奢侈品，我们每个月在有机、高福利肉类上最多花费20英镑。有些月份我们根本不吃肉。就我个人而言，我更幸运地通过这种方式影响人们的肉类消费。
这种一天好几顿都能便宜吃肉的想法让人恶心。
人们对他们所吃的生物的生活状况是如此的冷漠。我知道有些人不想吃带骨头的鸡肉，因为这会让他们想起这是动物。这对我太不尊重了。
That’s a tough sell for a lot of people.
We personally treat meat as a luxury, we spend maximum £20 a month on organic, high welfare meat. Some months we don’t have it at all. Personally I’ve had more luck influencing people’s meat consumption when approaching it this way.
This expectation that you should be able to cheaply eat meat for several meals a day is disgusting.
People are so detached from the lives of the creatures that they eat. I know some people that don’t want to eat chicken off the bone because it reminds them that it was an animal. That’s just so disrespectful to me.
这对很多人来说很难接受。
我们个人认为肉类是一种奢侈品，我们每个月在有机、高福利肉类上最多花费20英镑。有些月份我们根本不吃肉。就我个人而言，我更幸运地通过这种方式影响人们的肉类消费。
这种一天好几顿都能便宜吃肉的想法让人恶心。
人们对他们所吃的生物的生活状况是如此的冷漠。我知道有些人不想吃带骨头的鸡肉，因为这会让他们想起这是动物。这对我太不尊重了。
AugustPopper
Sadly I can’t see decreases in these practices, as the U.K. population increases and inflation hits peoples wallets surely these mega farms are likely to take on a large role in farming?
遗憾的是，我看不到这些做法的减少，随着英国人口的增长和通货膨胀打击人们的钱包，这些大型农场肯定会在农业中扮演重要角色，不是吗？
Sadly I can’t see decreases in these practices, as the U.K. population increases and inflation hits peoples wallets surely these mega farms are likely to take on a large role in farming?
遗憾的是，我看不到这些做法的减少，随着英国人口的增长和通货膨胀打击人们的钱包，这些大型农场肯定会在农业中扮演重要角色，不是吗？
harpingonNorthumberland
If only there was an alternative to the rampant consumption of animal products.
Nope. Can't see it. As you were.
要是有别的办法来替代猖獗的动物产品消费就好了。
没有。看不到。和你一样。
If only there was an alternative to the rampant consumption of animal products.
Nope. Can't see it. As you were.
要是有别的办法来替代猖獗的动物产品消费就好了。
没有。看不到。和你一样。
AugustPopper
You think vegetarianism or veganism is the answer for to this when approximately 87% of the U.K. population consumes meat of some form regularly?
Maybe alternative diets of psuedomeats can help to some extent, but I suspect that the size of the problem makes encouraging people to change on a large scale over unrealistic.
Fact is people like eating meat, and tend to distrust manufactured products. In addition despite significant increases in the price of meat, sales have barely declined, and in the case of chicken they have actually increased.
当大约87%的英国人定期食用某种形式的肉类时，你认为素食主义或纯素食主义是这个问题的答案吗？
也许替代饮食的假肉可以在一定程度上有所帮助，但我怀疑，问题的规模使得鼓励人们大规模改变变得不现实。
事实是，人们喜欢吃肉，而且往往不相信人造产品。此外，尽管肉类价格大幅上涨，但销售几乎没有下降，就鸡肉而言，它们实际上还增加了。
You think vegetarianism or veganism is the answer for to this when approximately 87% of the U.K. population consumes meat of some form regularly?
Maybe alternative diets of psuedomeats can help to some extent, but I suspect that the size of the problem makes encouraging people to change on a large scale over unrealistic.
Fact is people like eating meat, and tend to distrust manufactured products. In addition despite significant increases in the price of meat, sales have barely declined, and in the case of chicken they have actually increased.
当大约87%的英国人定期食用某种形式的肉类时，你认为素食主义或纯素食主义是这个问题的答案吗？
也许替代饮食的假肉可以在一定程度上有所帮助，但我怀疑，问题的规模使得鼓励人们大规模改变变得不现实。
事实是，人们喜欢吃肉，而且往往不相信人造产品。此外，尽管肉类价格大幅上涨，但销售几乎没有下降，就鸡肉而言，它们实际上还增加了。
-littlemuffet-
"Lots of people do it so that makes it okay!" "People will never change."
... yeah, alright.
“很多人这样做，所以它是可以的！”“人们永远不会改变。”
……是的，好吧。
"Lots of people do it so that makes it okay!" "People will never change."
... yeah, alright.
“很多人这样做，所以它是可以的！”“人们永远不会改变。”
……是的，好吧。
AugustPopper
You have missed the point of my post, which is not that change should not occur but that the amount of change required is substantial and that price is the main factor causing change. In additional I am saying promoting alternatives only takes you so far when you need millions of people to change behaviour. The real question is would people choose cheap mega farm meat or pseudomeat? Ultimately that’s what dictates a lot of this.
你错过了我的留言的重点，这不是说改变不应该发生，而是改变需要的数量是实质性的，价格是导致改变的主要因素。此外，我想说的是，当你需要数百万人改变行为时，推广替代方案只能起到目前的作用。真正的问题是人们会选择廉价的大型农场肉类还是假肉类？这最终决定了这一切。
You have missed the point of my post, which is not that change should not occur but that the amount of change required is substantial and that price is the main factor causing change. In additional I am saying promoting alternatives only takes you so far when you need millions of people to change behaviour. The real question is would people choose cheap mega farm meat or pseudomeat? Ultimately that’s what dictates a lot of this.
你错过了我的留言的重点，这不是说改变不应该发生，而是改变需要的数量是实质性的，价格是导致改变的主要因素。此外，我想说的是，当你需要数百万人改变行为时，推广替代方案只能起到目前的作用。真正的问题是人们会选择廉价的大型农场肉类还是假肉类？这最终决定了这一切。
anotherbozo
Can we please stop importing US-inspired practices in everything?
我们能不能停止在一切领域引进美国的做法？
Can we please stop importing US-inspired practices in everything?
我们能不能停止在一切领域引进美国的做法？
echoattempt
These farms exist to meet the demand of the general public, they want to be able to afford to eat lots of meat, preferably for every meal, every day of their life. This will only get worse until people stop eating meat and other animal products.
这些农场的存在是为了满足大众的需求，他们希望能够吃得起大量的肉类，最好是每顿饭都有，每天都能吃到。这种情况只会变得更糟，直到人们停止吃肉和其他动物产品。
These farms exist to meet the demand of the general public, they want to be able to afford to eat lots of meat, preferably for every meal, every day of their life. This will only get worse until people stop eating meat and other animal products.
这些农场的存在是为了满足大众的需求，他们希望能够吃得起大量的肉类，最好是每顿饭都有，每天都能吃到。这种情况只会变得更糟，直到人们停止吃肉和其他动物产品。
anotherbozo
I disagree. People eat a lot of meat because it is available so cheaply.
If humane practices meant the price goes up, then people either need to pay up or reduce consumption.
It needs to be regulated through policy - not the animal conditions.
我不同意。人们吃很多肉，是因为肉很便宜。
如果人道主义行为意味着价格上涨，那么人们要么支付更高的价格，要么减少消费。
它需要通过政策来监管——而不是改善饲养条件。
I disagree. People eat a lot of meat because it is available so cheaply.
If humane practices meant the price goes up, then people either need to pay up or reduce consumption.
It needs to be regulated through policy - not the animal conditions.
我不同意。人们吃很多肉，是因为肉很便宜。
如果人道主义行为意味着价格上涨，那么人们要么支付更高的价格，要么减少消费。
它需要通过政策来监管——而不是改善饲养条件。
echoattempt
It's only available so cheaply because it is heavily subsidised, we are all already paying for it through taxes. If meat cost it's true value, even the cheapest, most inhumanely sourced meat would be too expensive for most people.
Why would farmers use their profit to improve the welfare of animals when there is no demand from customers for it? Factory farmed meat isn't being boycotted, caged eggs continue to be bought, there isn't a demand for improved conditions. The market wants cheap meat, so things like mega-farms are the only way to meet this demand.
它之所以这么便宜，是因为它得到了大量补贴，我们都已经通过税收支付了它。如果肉的价格是其真正价值的反映，那么即使是最便宜的，最不人道的来源的肉对大多数人来说都太贵了。
当消费者没有需求的时候，农民为什么要用他们的利润来改善动物的福利呢？工厂化养殖的肉类没有遭到抵制，笼养的鸡蛋继续被购买，没有人要求改善饲养条件。市场需要便宜的肉类，所以像大型农场这样的东西是满足这种需求的唯一途径。
It's only available so cheaply because it is heavily subsidised, we are all already paying for it through taxes. If meat cost it's true value, even the cheapest, most inhumanely sourced meat would be too expensive for most people.
Why would farmers use their profit to improve the welfare of animals when there is no demand from customers for it? Factory farmed meat isn't being boycotted, caged eggs continue to be bought, there isn't a demand for improved conditions. The market wants cheap meat, so things like mega-farms are the only way to meet this demand.
它之所以这么便宜，是因为它得到了大量补贴，我们都已经通过税收支付了它。如果肉的价格是其真正价值的反映，那么即使是最便宜的，最不人道的来源的肉对大多数人来说都太贵了。
当消费者没有需求的时候，农民为什么要用他们的利润来改善动物的福利呢？工厂化养殖的肉类没有遭到抵制，笼养的鸡蛋继续被购买，没有人要求改善饲养条件。市场需要便宜的肉类，所以像大型农场这样的东西是满足这种需求的唯一途径。
anotherbozo
I'm talking about regulations - not free market pricing. Subsidies are irrelevant here because these US style practices are aimed at making it more cheaper.
The consumers obviously want cheap everything - but sometimes regulations means complying with laws that make the end product not as cheap as it can be.
It's not a new concept. We can import a lot cheaper food if we relax the import quality requirements. But we don't do that because we don't want poor practices in our food. I don't see any reason why this cannot be introduced to meat.
我说的是监管，而不是自由市场定价。补贴在这里无关紧要，因为这些美国式做法的目的是降低成本。
消费者显然希望所有东西都便宜，但有时监管意味着遵守法律，使最终产品不便宜。
这不是一个新概念。如果我们放宽进口质量要求，我们可以进口更便宜的食品。但我们不这么做，因为我们不希望我们的食物有不好的做法。我看不出有什么理由不能把它引入到肉类中。
I'm talking about regulations - not free market pricing. Subsidies are irrelevant here because these US style practices are aimed at making it more cheaper.
The consumers obviously want cheap everything - but sometimes regulations means complying with laws that make the end product not as cheap as it can be.
It's not a new concept. We can import a lot cheaper food if we relax the import quality requirements. But we don't do that because we don't want poor practices in our food. I don't see any reason why this cannot be introduced to meat.
我说的是监管，而不是自由市场定价。补贴在这里无关紧要，因为这些美国式做法的目的是降低成本。
消费者显然希望所有东西都便宜，但有时监管意味着遵守法律，使最终产品不便宜。
这不是一个新概念。如果我们放宽进口质量要求，我们可以进口更便宜的食品。但我们不这么做，因为我们不希望我们的食物有不好的做法。我看不出有什么理由不能把它引入到肉类中。
RunningDude90
Broiler farms are insanely packed here in the UK, and it appears supermarkets are the ones pushing for quality of life, rather than government.
UK farms have a long way to go compared to what Jumbo are mandating of their chicken suppliers on the continent (significantly longer life meaning much slower growth breeds and reduction in how much they’re fed), but I can’t say that life is particularly joyous either.
英国的肉鸡养殖场挤满了鸡，并且似乎是超市而不是政府在推动生活质量。
与Jumbo超市对欧洲大陆鸡肉供应商的要求相比，英国农场还有很长的路要走（显著延长的寿命意味着生长缓慢的品种和减少喂养的数量），但我也不能说前者的鸡生活得特别快乐。
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Broiler farms are insanely packed here in the UK, and it appears supermarkets are the ones pushing for quality of life, rather than government.
UK farms have a long way to go compared to what Jumbo are mandating of their chicken suppliers on the continent (significantly longer life meaning much slower growth breeds and reduction in how much they’re fed), but I can’t say that life is particularly joyous either.
英国的肉鸡养殖场挤满了鸡，并且似乎是超市而不是政府在推动生活质量。
与Jumbo超市对欧洲大陆鸡肉供应商的要求相比，英国农场还有很长的路要走（显著延长的寿命意味着生长缓慢的品种和减少喂养的数量），但我也不能说前者的鸡生活得特别快乐。
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CaptainBland
The supermarkets all want to have their cake and eat it, though. They'll tell farms to lower prices while telling them to increase their standards and hence production costs. I'm not sure this is particularly worthy of credit. Sure we all want both of those things but they're not massively compatible asks.
然而，超市都想鱼与熊掌兼得。他们会告诉农场降低价格，同时要求他们提高标准，从而提高生产成本。我不确定这是否值得称赞。当然，我们都想要这两种东西，但它们并不是能大规模同时实现的要求。
The supermarkets all want to have their cake and eat it, though. They'll tell farms to lower prices while telling them to increase their standards and hence production costs. I'm not sure this is particularly worthy of credit. Sure we all want both of those things but they're not massively compatible asks.
然而，超市都想鱼与熊掌兼得。他们会告诉农场降低价格，同时要求他们提高标准，从而提高生产成本。我不确定这是否值得称赞。当然，我们都想要这两种东西，但它们并不是能大规模同时实现的要求。
Londonsw8
Its why I stopped eating meat, the thought of an animal, whatever it is suffering for its whole life literally made me sick. Fuck those bastards, I hope more people make the same decision and cut them off from their misery profits
这就是我停止吃肉的原因，一想到动物，不管它一生遭受了什么，我都觉得恶心。去tmd那些混蛋，我希望更多的人做出同样的决定，以切断他们的痛苦利润
Its why I stopped eating meat, the thought of an animal, whatever it is suffering for its whole life literally made me sick. Fuck those bastards, I hope more people make the same decision and cut them off from their misery profits
这就是我停止吃肉的原因，一想到动物，不管它一生遭受了什么，我都觉得恶心。去tmd那些混蛋，我希望更多的人做出同样的决定，以切断他们的痛苦利润
Flippity_Flip94
Some of the comments here are incredible. People will (legitimately) worry about the cost of living crisis whilst demonising mass farming.
I’m afraid you cannot have your cake, and eat it.
这里的一些评论令人难以置信。人们会（合理地）担心生活成本危机，同时妖魔化大规模农业。
恐怕鱼和熊掌不可兼得。
Some of the comments here are incredible. People will (legitimately) worry about the cost of living crisis whilst demonising mass farming.
I’m afraid you cannot have your cake, and eat it.
这里的一些评论令人难以置信。人们会（合理地）担心生活成本危机，同时妖魔化大规模农业。
恐怕鱼和熊掌不可兼得。
Midnight7000
I'm more concerned about the chemicals they pump into the animals.
I honestly don't care about the conditions they're kept in. They're being bred for consumption until there are plant based alternatives. I feel that it would be a bit hypocritical of me to start crying about them being locked in cages.
我更担心他们注入牲畜体内的化学物质。
老实说，我不在乎它们被关在什么样的环境里。它们被培育用于消费，直到有了以植物为基础的肉类替代品。我觉得如果我开始为它们被关在笼子里而哭泣，那就有点虚伪了。
I'm more concerned about the chemicals they pump into the animals.
I honestly don't care about the conditions they're kept in. They're being bred for consumption until there are plant based alternatives. I feel that it would be a bit hypocritical of me to start crying about them being locked in cages.
我更担心他们注入牲畜体内的化学物质。
老实说，我不在乎它们被关在什么样的环境里。它们被培育用于消费，直到有了以植物为基础的肉类替代品。我觉得如果我开始为它们被关在笼子里而哭泣，那就有点虚伪了。
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