为什么有些吸烟者能长寿(二)
2022-08-28 辽阔天空 3883
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Why do some smokers live long lives?

为什么有些吸烟者能长寿?

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Eddo Reyes
For me smoking cigarettes was something I started to do because I was bored. I quit about 6 years ago but I do miss it. I miss it because of the feeling you get, like a cathartic feeling of stress going away (although it doesn’t, it’s just the nicotine). So yeah I was just dumb. All the same smoking lends itself to other opportunities. I’ve met many people just smoking because people walk up and ask for a cigarette or you can have a conversation with random people as you both enjoy a good smoke. More importantly for me, something I miss the most was the opportunity to excuse yourself from a room. Meeting your wife’s extended family? Go outside and smoke, you’ll be out of sight and out of mind. Need to take a drive? Excuse yourself and say you’re buying a pack of smokes. God I miss smoking, although physically I feel MUCH better. so I don’t regret quitting.

对我来说,我开始抽烟是因为我觉得无聊。我六年前戒烟,但我真的很想抽。我想抽是因为会有一种感觉,就像一种压力消失的宣泄感觉(然而并没有,只是尼古丁而已)。所以,我只是很蠢。尽管如此,吸烟也会带来其他机会。我见过很多人只是吸烟,因为他们走上前去要一支烟,或者你们可以随意和人交谈,就因为你们都喜欢抽烟。对我来说更重要的是,我最怀念的是有机会离开房间。见你妻子的大家庭?到外面去抽支烟,你就会消失得无影无踪。需要开车兜风吗?找个借口说你要买一包烟。天啊,尽管我怀念吸烟,但是戒烟后身体上感觉好多了。所以我不后悔戒烟。

Luke Harrison
As a veteran, I think I’m qualified to answer this.
It’s because of the exercising they do. Exercising will not make you immune to cigarette related diseases. Even though you’re physically fit, you’re still a dying smoker like the rest of them.
Smoking affects everyone differently.
Some people can smoke a pack a day and run 2 miles in 13 minutes.
Some people can smoke less than a pack a day and be completely winded after a mile.
Soldiers do PT (Physical training) everyday (Mon-Fri) at 0630 until 0730 or sometimes 0800. After the work day, they go to the gym. No, it’s not about a soldier being young.
A smoker who runs 3 times a week will be ALWAYS be in better shape than a smoker that barely runs at all. Their lungs open up. But they are still damaged.
Cigarettes are a soldier’s best friend in the army. At the field or on the battlefield, they can help.
There are soldiers who smoke, and soldiers who don’t smoke.
Do I recommend smoking? No. It causes a lot of damage to your body. And it WILL affect you in the future…unless you quit. Quitting smoking, running, and drinking green tea will most definitely help heal you and eventually, greatly reduce your risk of smoking related diseases.
Just don’t do it.

作为一名老烟枪,我认为我有资格回答这个问题。
这是因为他们的锻炼。锻炼不能使你对与吸烟有关的疾病免疫。即使你的身体很健康,但你和其他人一样是一个快死的烟鬼。
吸烟对每个人的影响不同。
有些人每天可以抽一包烟,在13分钟内跑2英里。
有些人一天抽不到一包烟,一英里后就会完全喘不过气来。
士兵们每天(周一至周五)从早上6点30分到早上7点30分,或者有时是早上8点进行体能训练。下班后,他们去健身房。不,这与年轻的士兵无关。
一个每周跑步3次的吸烟者总是比一个几乎不跑步的吸烟者拥有更好的身材。他们的肺得到了开发,但它们仍然受损。
香烟是士兵在军队中最好的朋友。在战场上,它们可以提供帮助。
有抽烟的士兵,也有不抽烟的士兵。
我推荐吸烟吗?不,它会对你的身体造成很大的伤害。除非你戒烟,这会影响你的未来。戒烟、跑步和喝绿茶绝对有助于治愈你,并最终大大降低你患吸烟相关疾病的风险。
别吸烟。

Eileen M. Gormley
Possible? Yes, of course.
There are plenty of smokers who will never get lung cancer, or any other disease. And there are non-smokers who do get lung cancer. But statistically, smokers are more likely to get lung cancer and the other assorted diseases of smoking. But it’s not guaranteed.
I have a great aunt who smoked all the time, and she lived to be 92. But she was lucky enough to be from a long lived family, and to have enough money to make sure her health was never at risk.
It’s like wearing a seat belt. Can you not wear a seat belt and not be in a car crash? Absolutely. Does it reduce your chances of surviving a car crash? Yes.

可能是?,当然是。
很多吸烟者永远不会得肺癌或任何其他疾病。还有一些没吸烟的人确实得肺癌。但从统计数据来看,吸烟者更容易患肺癌和其他各种吸烟疾病,不过这不能保证。
我有一个一直抽烟的姑姑,她活到92岁。但她很幸运,来自一个有长寿基因的家庭,有足够的钱来确保她的健康永远不会受到威胁。
就像系安全带一样。你能不能保证不系安全带,不出车祸?不系安全带绝对地这会降低你在车祸中幸存的几率吗?对的。

Frank Oden
Yes, my grandmother smoked her whole life and died of natural causes at 96 years old. She never had cancer of any kind.
What she did have was eight children. Seven of them were smokers and all seven died of lung cancer or heart disease in their 50s and 60s, while she was still alive. Smoking didn’t kill my grandmother, but she had to watch it take the lives of all but one of her children.
Her one child who never smoked even one cigarette (my mother) lived to be 92 years old. She had several different types of cancer in her life (but never lung cancer), survived them all, as well as major back surgery and a broken hip in her 80’s, she died of Alzheimer’s in decent physical health for her age.
Point is, you can always find anecdotal examples of people who smoked and lived a long time, but it’s no guarantee that you can get away with it — even if you share the same DNA, you’ll be better off without smoking.

是的,我祖母一生都在抽烟,96岁时自然死亡。她从未患过任何癌症。
她有八个孩子。其中7人是吸烟者,在她还活着的时候,他们都死于肺癌或心脏病。吸烟并没有杀死我的祖母,但她不得不眼睁睁地看着它夺走了她所有孩子的生命,只有一个孩子除外。
她的一个孩子(我母亲)连一根烟都不抽,活到92岁。她一生中患过几种不同类型的癌症(但从未患过肺癌),但最后活了下来,80多岁时还做过背部大手术和髋部骨折,她死于老年痴呆症,身体健康状况与她的年龄相当。
关键是,你总是可以找到吸烟和活得很久的人的轶事,但这不能保证你能侥幸逃脱,即使你有相同的DNA,毕竟不吸烟也会更好。

Iwan Prasetyo
when we are talking about smoking and death, it will come to cancer.. all the time…
well, let me explain. any cancers require these 3 conditions to develop:
good seed (your genes. check your parents and ancestors whether they had cancer)
good soil (your body supports for cancer development)
good climate (“bad habit”, such as smoking and drinking)
any numbers of statistics are something questionable about the method of data collection. when you visit any recent physicians and complaining about lung/heart, they will ask you whether you smoking or not. if you smoking, later when you dead, they will simply report “dead by smoking” +1. such a funny method of modern procedure of medical record. this method is commonly used in USA. how do you know/distinguish the cause of death between 2 persons who have died because of heart attack or lung cancer? sure, they died because of lung cancer or heart attack, but how do you know that it was because of smoking? a decision/statistic/conclusion based on assumption?
let me tell you, japan is a country which has quite high percentage of smokers. even higher than my country. but why the rate of the death because of heart attack and lung cancer here is higher than japan? if we agree to this premise “smoking then you die”, it should be japan has higher rate of the death than my country. aha…

当我们谈论吸烟和死亡关系的时候,它会涉及癌症,一直以来都如此。
好吧,让我解释一下,任何癌症都需要以下3种条件才能发展:
好种子(你的基因,检查你的父母和祖先是否患有癌症)
良好的土壤(你的身体支持癌症的发展)
良好的气候(“坏习惯”,如吸烟和饮酒)
关于数据收集的方法问题,任何统计数字都是有问题的。当你最近去看医生,抱怨肺/心脏有问题时,他们会问你是否吸烟。如果你吸烟,当你死后,他们会简单地报告:“吸烟致死”,这就是一种现代医疗记录程序,真搞。这种方法在美国很常用。你如何知道/区分两个死于心脏病发作或肺癌的人的死因?当然,他们死于肺癌或心脏病,但你怎么知道是因为吸烟?基于假设的决策/统计/结论?
让我告诉你,日本是一个吸烟者比例相当高的国家。甚至比我在的国家还高。但为什么这里的心脏病和肺癌死亡率高于日本?如果我们同意“吸烟就会死(因为心脏病和肺癌)”这个前提,那应该是日本的死亡率比我的国家高才是。

if you have money, you have proper job, good environment, happy family, healthy relations, perfect life, then even you smoke everyday, it’s just fine and you will live longer. if you’re poor, eat once a day, can’t afford to buy any healthy food, broken home, unhealthy relations, crazy life, then even if you don’t smoke, probably you will die sooner.
life longer or die sooner is all about happiness. just don’t believe that junk science. if you want to smoke, just smoke. if you don’t want to smoke, then don’t. that’s it. don’t let such that anti smoking zealots make the decision for you. it’s your life, it’s your right. that’s freedom. choose whatever you want.
for me, smoking is just as safe as (or as dangerous as) beer, wine, vodka, whiskey, coffee, tea, or even sugar and water. if you consume them properly, you will get the good things and leave the bad things behind. if you over consume them, any of them, then the bad things will come around.
my grandpa is 97 by now, walk every morning, talk normally. smoking about 3–4 times a week.
my grandma is 86, smoking any cigars, walk every morning, talk normally. smokes anytime when my grandpa smoking.
my dad is 72, physician, play tennis. smoke twice a day.

如果你有钱,有合适的工作,良好的环境,幸福的家庭,健康的关系,完美的生活,那么即使你每天抽烟,也很好,会活得更长。如果你很穷,每天吃一餐,买不起任何健康的食物,家庭关系破裂,不健康的关系,疯狂的生活,那么即使你不抽烟,你也可能会早死。
长寿或早逝都是与幸福有关的。只是不要相信垃圾科学所说的就行。如果你想抽烟,就抽吧。如果你不想抽烟,那就别抽了。就这样,不要让那些反吸烟的狂热者替你做决定。这是你的生活,你的权利。这就是自由,选择你想要的。
对我来说,吸烟和啤酒、葡萄酒、伏特加、威士忌、咖啡、茶,甚至糖和水一样安全(或同样危险)。如果你正确地消费它们,你会得到好的东西,把坏的东西给抛掉。如果你过度消费它们,但凡任何一种,那么坏的事情就会发生。
我的爷爷现在已经97岁了,每天早上散步,说话正常,每周吸烟约3-4次。
我奶奶86岁了,抽雪茄,每天早上散步,说话正常。我爷爷抽烟的时候,她随时抽烟。
我爸爸72岁,医生,抽烟,打网球。每天抽两次烟。

my mom is 68, physician, smoking hoyo de monterey or romeo y julieta, play tennis. smoke once a day although sometime twice if she is in the mood.
i’m 38 now, pipe smoker, swim 100m in less than 1 min, running every morning about 3km with my 10 dogs. smoke 2–4 bowls a day.
what should i say? smoke properly, smoke with manner, then you will have all the good things and leave the bad things behind. if you smoke like locomotive all the time like junkies, of course, there will be some bad things come around you.
you can even die by drinking water too much. would you mind to say water is dangerous?
you can die by car accident on the road because you were drink whiskey with everclear (95% pure grain alcohol) shot. would you mind to say whiskey is dangerous?
some people could die because of cholesterol. would you mind to say beef, pork, crab, sea food are dangerous?
and… for the record. although we are all smokers, we are not addicted. we can traveling to australia and stay in sydney for 2 weeks which is quite difficult to find smoking area (even such radisson blue hotel doesn’t have any smoking area), and we didn’t bother for “searching smoking area” or purposely buy any cigars in aussie as all cigs and cigars in aussie are way too expensive, overpriced. we can live without smoking, but we choose for smoking when it is possible, we are in the mood, good occasion, good atmosphere. that’s it.

我妈妈68岁,医生,抽烟,打网球。每天抽一次,如果她有心情的话,有时抽两次。
我现在38岁了,抽烟斗,在不到1分钟的时间里游100米,每天早上和我的10条狗一起跑大约3公里。每天抽2-4碗烟丝。
我该怎么说?正确地吸烟,有方式地吸烟,那么你将拥有所有好东西,而让坏东西远离。如果你像瘾君子一样一直抽烟,你周围当然会有一些不好的事情发生。
你甚至会因为喝太多水而死亡,你介意说水是危险的吗?
你可能会在路上死于车祸—因为你喝了含有95%纯谷物酒精的威士忌。你介意说威士忌很危险吗?
有些人可能死于胆固醇。你介意说牛肉、猪肉、螃蟹和海鲜是危险的吗?
还有,郑重声明。虽然我们都是吸烟者,但我们没有上瘾。我们可以去澳大利亚旅游,在悉尼待两个星期,但是很难找到吸烟区(即使是雷迪森蓝酒店也没有任何吸烟区),我们也没有特意去“搜索吸烟区”或故意买任何澳洲的雪茄,因为澳洲的所有香烟和雪茄都太贵了。我们可以不吸烟,但我们选择在可能的时候吸烟,我们在好心情、好场合、好氛围中吸烟,就是这样。

Nick Ball
Because even though smoking is very unhealthy dying an early death from smoking is not absolute, in fact very few things in life are actually absolute, There’s a saying that the only two things in life that are guaranteed are death, since everyone dies it is actually the only one true absolute , and taxes, which people actually do avoid paying taxes but it catches up to them eventually, so taxes are fairly guaranteed, but not necessarily absolute.
Also some people just have super bad ass genes, the same way some people are just skinny no matter what they eat, or barely have to shave, cosmic random happenstance brought together the best genetic specimensand that person just happened to chain smoke while they just happened to have super sturdy lungs or whatever let’s them survive where most would hack up a proverbial black lung.
So regardless of how terrible everyone says cigarettes are, or how much fear mongering you have heard about “the evils of smoking”, believe it or not, a super healthy muscular non-smoker can drop dead just as easily as an unhealthy obese chain-smoker can live in to their 90’s if their genes end up that way, it can(and does)happen, but also it is a rare occurrence, and statistically speaking I wouldn’t bet my life longevity on random cosmic happenstance, or the genetic freakishness that allows certain people to live long regardless of how they treat their bodies.

因为即使吸烟是非常不健康的,但过早死于吸烟这个说法并不是绝对的,事实上,生活中很少有事情是绝对的,有一种说法,生命中唯一可以保证的两件事是死亡和税收,因为每个人都会死,所以死亡实际上是唯一一件真正绝对的事情,还有税收,人们实际上避免纳税,但它最终会找上他们,因此,税收是公平的,但不一定是绝对的。
而且有些人就是有超级糟糕的基因,就像有些人无论吃什么都很瘦,或者几乎不用刮胡子一样,宇宙中的随机事件汇集了最好的基因样本,而那个人只是碰巧连续吸烟,而他们只是碰巧拥有有超级强壮的肺或者其他什么让他们在大多数人的肺会变黑的环境中生存下来。
因此,不管人们都说香烟有多可怕,或者你听说过多少关于“吸烟的罪恶”的恐惧言论,信不信由你,一个超级健康、肌肉发达的非吸烟者可能会像一个不健康、肥胖的吸烟者一样容易死去,如果他们的基因以这种方式终结,这种情况可能(而且确实)发生,但这也是罕见的,从统计学上讲,我不会把我的寿命押在随机的宇宙偶然事件上,也不会押在让某些人无论如何对待自己的身体都能长寿的变异基因上。

Liz Hilton
Two ideas enter my head in answer to your question.
The first is that you are addicted to the chemicals in the smoke of cigarettes - NOT nicotine. NOT NICOTINE. There are other chemicals and additives in cigarettes that make you have to have a cigarette because your body feels uncomfortable without them. So, when you do not have a cigarette you get the screaming heebeejeebees and that feeling makes you have a cigarette to get rid of that awful feeling.
I know the feeling. I smoked for 50 years. The difference between us is that I loved cigarettes and got great pleasure out of smoking.
So my second thought was to ask “do you hate cigarettes because everyone tells you they are terrible things, but really, in your heart, you love smoking?”
This is a very important question to ask yourself. Are cigarettes compensating you in some way for something that is missing in your life? Are they comforting you, relaxing you, helping your life in some way?
They really helped me - and some of the best moments of my life were with a cigarette.
The reason I ask this is because you need to figure this out before you try to quit.

对于你的问题,我有两个观点。
首先,你对香烟烟雾中的化学物质上瘾,而不是尼古丁。香烟中还有其他化学物质和添加剂,使你不得不抽烟,因为没有它们,你的身体会感到不舒服。所以,当你没有烟的时候,你会发出尖叫声,这种感觉会让你抽一支烟来摆脱那种可怕的感觉。
我知道那种感觉。我抽了50年烟。我们之间的区别是,我喜欢香烟,从吸烟中获得了极大的乐趣。
所以我的第二个观点是问:“你讨厌香烟吗?因为每个人都告诉你香烟是可怕的东西,但实际上,在你心里,你喜欢吸烟吗?”
这是一个非常重要的问题。香烟是否以某种方式补偿了你生活中缺失的东西?它们是在安慰你,让你放松,还是在某种程度上帮助你?
他们真的帮了我:我生命中最美好的时刻就是抽烟。
我问这个问题的原因是,在你试图戒烟之前,你需要弄清楚这一点。

If you ACTUALLY hate cigarettes, it should be easy to stop smoking in all the ways others have suggested in other answers here.
But if cigarettes are doing something more subtle in your life, and you actually love smoking, you need a bigger plan. You will have to contend with the grief quitting causes and the loss of pleasure. You must have a plan to fill your “holes”.
I could never do that. Eventually, and purely accidentally, I switched to vaping. I found it filled MY “holes”.
Vapers who vape nicotine don’t get the screaming heebeejeebees if they can’t vape which is why we can prove that it is NOT NICOTINE in a cigarette that addicts you to smoking! And smokers that switch to vaping find, in the beginning, although they are getting nicotine by vaping, vaping doesn’t satify them the way smoking did. However, once the other chemicals have left their bodies, the “addiction” fades away. To have a smoking addiction go away, you have to stay off smoking!
I wish you the best, and understand fully the inner anguish you are going through.
Thank you for the question.

如果你真的讨厌香烟,那么按照其他人在其他答案中建议的方式戒烟应该很容易。
但如果香烟在你的生活中起着更微妙的作用,而你真的喜欢吸烟,你需要一个更详细的计划。你将不得不与悲伤和丧失快乐作斗争。你必须有一个计划来填补你的“漏洞”。
我永远也做不到。最后,纯粹是偶然,我切换到了电子烟。我发现它填满了我的“漏洞”。
吸尼古丁电子烟的人不会感到要尖叫的兴奋感,这就是为什么我们可以证明让你上瘾的不是香烟中的尼古丁。而改用电子烟的吸烟者发现,一开始,虽然他们通过电子烟获得尼古丁,但电子烟并不像吸烟那样让他们感到满意。然而,一旦其他化学物质离开身体,“上瘾”就会消失。要戒掉烟瘾,你必须远离烟!
我祝你一切顺利,并充分理解你正在经历的内心痛苦。
谢谢你的提问。

Ray Schilling
Fact is that you cannot clean out your lungs. If you smoke, quit smoking. That is the most important step. But for those who never have smoked there is no way to clean out your lungs. Ex-smokers will notice some brownish phlegm come up every once in a while for several years after quitting. This is old tar from the cigarette smoke that is excreted by the mucous glands from the bronchial tubes and the smaller airways, called bronchioles. The remainder of the tar is visible on the surface of the lungs like a tattoo for the rest of your life.
When I was sectioning corpses as part of my anatomy training in medical school, you could see who had been a smoker and who was not.
The only thing you can do is to prevent inhaling cigarette smoke by becoming or staying a non-smoker. Also, avoid super-polluted areas of the planet like Beijing or Delhi as pollution also enters your lungs and stays there partially.
I have read so many misleading answers to this question. People are suggesting that hot steam inhalations would work cleaning the lungs out. They do not. You get rid of some secretions, but you are not removing the deposited tar on the lung surface, which is incorporated into the lung cells. Meditation, eating broccoli sprouts, green tea, eating a Mediterranean diet are also not removing the tar deposits from the pleural surface of the lungs. I agree that preventative steps like not smoking, stopping to smoke when you are still a smoker, will all be helpful in preventing further damage. But they do not remove the tar deposits from your lungs.

事实是,你们不能清理你们的肺。如果你抽烟,就戒烟。这是最重要的一步。但对于那些从不吸烟的人来说,没有办法清理你的肺。戒烟后的几年里,吸烟者会注意到偶尔会出现一些棕色的痰。这是香烟烟雾中的焦油,由支气管和称为细支气管的小气道的粘液腺排出。剩下的焦油在肺部表面可见,就像你余生的纹身一样。
当我在医学院进行解剖训练时,可以看到谁曾经吸烟,谁没有。
你唯一能做的就是通过成为或保持不吸烟者来防止吸入香烟烟雾。此外,避免在北京或德里等地球上的超污染地区,因为污染也会进入你的肺部,并有部分停留在肺里。
我读过很多关于这个问题的误导性答案。人们认为吸入热蒸汽有助于清洁肺部。然而并没有。你清除了一些分泌物,但你没有清除肺表面沉积的焦油,这些焦油被融入到肺细胞中。冥想、吃西兰花芽、喝绿茶、吃地中海式饮食也不能清除肺胸膜表面的焦油沉积物。我同意一些预防措施,比如不吸烟,在你还在吸烟的时候就停止吸烟,都有助于防止进一步的伤害。但它们无法清除肺部的焦油沉积物。
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Nigel Lusby
Most medical professionals think that smokers should get their brains checked!
Why would anyone with even half a brain think it’s a good idea to deliberately breathe in smoke, let alone smoke loaded with one of the most poisonous substances known to man?
You work hard for hours & hours at your job, then take your hard earned wages & set fire to it- WTF!
If you walk through a cloud of smoke from a fire, what do you do? Cough, & cough & cough!
The very first time you tried a cigarette, what did you do? Cough, & cough & cough, & probably felt sick & threw up!
Your body was and still is trying to tell you something….. smoking is seriously bad for you!
If you could extract the all nicotine in an average pack of 20 cigarettes & directly inject it into your bloodstream, you will be dead in minutes, if not seconds, it is SO poisonous.

大多数医学专家认为吸烟者应该检查他们的大脑!
为什么会有人认为故意吸入烟雾是一个好主意,更不用说烟雾中含有人类已知的最有毒的物质之一?
你努力工作了好几个小时,然后拿着你辛苦挣来的工资换烟,然后点燃它-卧槽!
如果你穿过一团烟雾,你会有什么反应?除了咳嗽还是咳嗽。
你第一次抽烟的时候,有什么反应?除了咳嗽还是咳嗽,可能觉得恶心,呕吐!
你的身体过去和现在都在试图告诉你:吸烟对你有害!
如果你能从一包平均20支香烟中提取出所有的尼古丁,并将其直接注射到你的血液中,如果不是几秒钟,你将在几分钟内死亡,它是如此有毒。

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