利兹·特拉斯敦促世界领导人效仿英国的涓滴经济学
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(Liz Truss willing to 'do unpopular things' to grow UK economy.)
（利兹·特拉斯愿意“做不受欢迎的事情”来增长英国经济。）
新闻：
Liz Truss urges world leaders to follow UK with trickle down economics
-Reports that stamp duty will be cut with PM to use UN speech to argue for far-reaching tax reductions, putting her at odds with Joe Biden
利兹·特拉斯敦促世界领导人效仿英国的涓滴经济学
——有报道称，英国首相将在联合国演讲中提出深远的减税政策，这让她与乔·拜登产生了分歧
-Reports that stamp duty will be cut with PM to use UN speech to argue for far-reaching tax reductions, putting her at odds with Joe Biden
利兹·特拉斯敦促世界领导人效仿英国的涓滴经济学
——有报道称，英国首相将在联合国演讲中提出深远的减税政策，这让她与乔·拜登产生了分歧
(Liz Truss willing to 'do unpopular things' to grow UK economy.)
（利兹·特拉斯愿意“做不受欢迎的事情”来增长英国经济。）
新闻：
Liz Truss is to urge world leaders to join Britain in introducing far-reaching tax cuts despite US president Joe Biden pouring scorn on “trickle down economics” ahead of their first bilateral talks in New York.
利兹·特拉斯将敦促世界各国领导人与英国一道推出影响深远的减税措施，尽管美国总统乔·拜登在与英国在纽约举行首次双边会谈之前对“涓滴经济学”表示了蔑视。
利兹·特拉斯将敦促世界各国领导人与英国一道推出影响深远的减税措施，尽管美国总统乔·拜登在与英国在纽约举行首次双边会谈之前对“涓滴经济学”表示了蔑视。
In a speech to the United Nations on Wednesday, the prime minister will argue the free world must prioritise economic growth to deny authoritarian states like Russia the chance to manipulate the global economy.
首相周三将在联合国发表讲话，他将辩称，自由世界必须优先考虑经济增长，以阻止俄罗斯等威权国家有机会操纵全球经济。
首相周三将在联合国发表讲话，他将辩称，自由世界必须优先考虑经济增长，以阻止俄罗斯等威权国家有机会操纵全球经济。
However, her embrace of Reaganite economic policy puts her on a collision course with the Democratic president who tweeted yesterday that he was “sick and tired” of the approach, which he claimed had never worked.
然而，她对里根式经济政策的拥护，使她与这位民主党总统发生了冲突。这位总统昨日在推特上表示，他对里根式经济政策“感到厌倦和厌恶”，他声称这种政策从未奏效。
然而，她对里根式经济政策的拥护，使她与这位民主党总统发生了冲突。这位总统昨日在推特上表示，他对里根式经济政策“感到厌倦和厌恶”，他声称这种政策从未奏效。
In her latest break from Treasury orthodoxy, Truss vowed on Tuesday to review all tax rates to help struggling households and businesses through the cost of living crisis. The prime minister’s remarks pave the way for a radical overhaul of the system that could include looking again at income tax brackets and come amid reports she is planning a cut to stamp duty as part of her emergency mini-budget on Friday.
周二，特拉斯承诺将重新审视所有税率，以帮助苦苦挣扎的家庭和企业度过生活成本危机，这是她与财政部正统观念的最新突破。她的这番言论为彻底改革税制铺平了道路，其中可能包括重新审视所得税等级，同时有报道称，她正在计划削减印花税，作为周五的紧急迷你预算的一部分。
周二，特拉斯承诺将重新审视所有税率，以帮助苦苦挣扎的家庭和企业度过生活成本危机，这是她与财政部正统观念的最新突破。她的这番言论为彻底改革税制铺平了道路，其中可能包括重新审视所得税等级，同时有报道称，她正在计划削减印花税，作为周五的紧急迷你预算的一部分。
In an interview at the top of the Empire State Building on Tuesday, she told the BBC: “We do have to take difficult decisions to get our economy right. We have to look at our tax rates. So corporation tax needs to be competitive with other countries so that we can attract that investment.”
周二，她在帝国大厦顶层接受BBC采访时表示：“我们必须做出艰难的决定，以让我们的经济走上正轨。我们得看看我们的税率。因此，公司税需要比其他国家具有竞争力，这样我们才能吸引投资。”
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周二，她在帝国大厦顶层接受BBC采访时表示：“我们必须做出艰难的决定，以让我们的经济走上正轨。我们得看看我们的税率。因此，公司税需要比其他国家具有竞争力，这样我们才能吸引投资。”
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She had already signalled that further tax cuts, beyond the changes expected on Friday, could be on the cards. She told reporters on the plane to the US: “Lower taxes lead to economic growth, there is no doubt in my mind about that.”
她已经暗示，在周五预期的变化之外，可能还会进一步减税。她在飞往美国的飞机上告诉记者：“降低税收会带来经济增长，这一点在我心中毫无疑问。”
她已经暗示，在周五预期的变化之外，可能还会进一步减税。她在飞往美国的飞机上告诉记者：“降低税收会带来经济增长，这一点在我心中毫无疑问。”
The Times reported that Truss believes that cutting stamp duty – which raises about £12bn a year for the Treasury – would aid growth by encouraging more people to move.
据《泰晤士报》报道，特拉斯认为，削减印花税（该税目每年为财政部增加约120亿英镑）将鼓励更多的人流动，从而促进经济增长。
据《泰晤士报》报道，特拉斯认为，削减印花税（该税目每年为财政部增加约120亿英镑）将鼓励更多的人流动，从而促进经济增长。
Truss’s first talks with Biden are set against a backdrop of tensions over post-Brexit trading arrangements in Northern Ireland. Despite the UK’s attempts to separate out the issues, the Biden administration has warned that a free trade deal is unlikely until the row over the Northern Ireland protocol is resolved.
特拉斯与拜登的首次会谈是在北爱尔兰脱欧后贸易安排紧张的背景下举行的。尽管英国试图将这些问题分离开来，但拜登政府警告称，在围绕北爱尔兰协议的争端得到解决之前，不太可能达成自由贸易协议。
特拉斯与拜登的首次会谈是在北爱尔兰脱欧后贸易安排紧张的背景下举行的。尽管英国试图将这些问题分离开来，但拜登政府警告称，在围绕北爱尔兰协议的争端得到解决之前，不太可能达成自由贸易协议。
In a move likely to disappoint Brexiters, Truss downplayed expectations that any trade agreement was imminent, saying: “There aren’t currently any negotiations taking place with the US and I don’t have any expectation that those are going to start in the short to medium term.”
特拉斯的这一举动可能会让脱欧派失望，他淡化了人们对即将达成任何贸易协议的预期，称：“目前没有与美国进行任何谈判，我也不认为这些谈判会在中短期内开始。”
特拉斯的这一举动可能会让脱欧派失望，他淡化了人们对即将达成任何贸易协议的预期，称：“目前没有与美国进行任何谈判，我也不认为这些谈判会在中短期内开始。”
US national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Biden would use the meeting to “encourage the UK and the European unx to work out a practical outcome that ensures there is no threat to the fundamental principles of the Good Friday agreement”.
美国国家安全顾问杰克·沙利文表示，拜登将利用此次会议“鼓励英国和欧盟制定出一个切实可行的结果，以确保《受难日协议》的基本原则不受威胁”。
美国国家安全顾问杰克·沙利文表示，拜登将利用此次会议“鼓励英国和欧盟制定出一个切实可行的结果，以确保《受难日协议》的基本原则不受威胁”。
The two leaders are also at odds over their approaches to achieving growth, with Truss supporting ‘trickle down’ economics during the Tory leadership contest, arguing it was wrong to view all economic policy through the “lens of redistribution”.
两位领导人在实现增长的方法上也存在分歧，特拉斯在保守党领袖竞选期间支持“涓滴”经济学，认为通过“再分配的视角”看待所有经济政策是错误的。
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两位领导人在实现增长的方法上也存在分歧，特拉斯在保守党领袖竞选期间支持“涓滴”经济学，认为通过“再分配的视角”看待所有经济政策是错误的。
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Biden, meanwhile, tweeted: “I am sick and tired of trickle-down economics. It has never worked. We’re building an economy from the bottom up and middle out.”
而与此同时，拜登在推特上写道：“我厌倦了涓滴经济学。这从未奏效过。（与之相反）我们正在从底层到中产阶级建设经济。”
而与此同时，拜登在推特上写道：“我厌倦了涓滴经济学。这从未奏效过。（与之相反）我们正在从底层到中产阶级建设经济。”
Yet Truss is expected to argue her economic case in her keynote address to the UN, telling fellow world leaders: “We want people to keep more of the money they earn, because we believe that freedom trumps instruction. We are reforming our economy to get Britain moving forward once again.
然而，特拉斯预计将在联合国的主题演讲中阐述她的经济观点，告诉其他世界领导人：“我们希望人们保留更多的钱，因为我们相信自由胜过教育。我们正在改革我们的经济，让英国再次前进。
然而，特拉斯预计将在联合国的主题演讲中阐述她的经济观点，告诉其他世界领导人：“我们希望人们保留更多的钱，因为我们相信自由胜过教育。我们正在改革我们的经济，让英国再次前进。
“The free world needs this economic strength and resilience to push back against authoritarian aggression and win this new era of strategic competition. We will no longer be strategically dependent on those who seek to weaponise the global economy”.
“自由世界需要这种经济实力和韧性来击退威权主义侵略，以赢得战略竞争的新时代。我们将不再在战略上依赖那些试图将全球经济武器化的人”。
“自由世界需要这种经济实力和韧性来击退威权主义侵略，以赢得战略竞争的新时代。我们将不再在战略上依赖那些试图将全球经济武器化的人”。
In a broadcast round on Tuesday, Truss admitted her tax-cutting plans will initially benefit the rich more than the rest of society, but doubled down on reversing a recent rise in national insurance would benefit top earners by about £1,800 a year, and the lowest earner by about £7.
在周二的广播中，特拉斯承认，她的减税计划最初将使富人受益多于社会其他阶层，但如果能加倍努力扭转最近国民保险的上涨趋势，那么高收入者每年可受益约1800英镑，最低收入者每年可受益约7英镑。
在周二的广播中，特拉斯承认，她的减税计划最初将使富人受益多于社会其他阶层，但如果能加倍努力扭转最近国民保险的上涨趋势，那么高收入者每年可受益约1800英镑，最低收入者每年可受益约7英镑。
“I don’t accept this argument that cutting taxes is somehow unfair,” she told Sky News. “What we know is people on higher incomes generally pay more tax so when you reduce taxes there is often a disproportionate benefit because those people are paying more taxes in the first place.
她在接受《天空新闻》采访时表示：“我不接受减税不公平的说法。我们知道的是，收入高的人通常交的税更多，所以当你减税时，通常会有不成比例的好处，因为这些人首先交的税更多。
她在接受《天空新闻》采访时表示：“我不接受减税不公平的说法。我们知道的是，收入高的人通常交的税更多，所以当你减税时，通常会有不成比例的好处，因为这些人首先交的税更多。
“We should be setting our tax policy on the basis of what is going to help our country become successful. What is going to deliver that economy that benefits everybody in our country. What I don’t accept is the idea that tax cuts for business don’t help people in general.”
“我们应该在帮助我们国家成功的基础上制定我们的税收政策。什么样的经济才能让我们国家的每个人都受益。我不接受的是‘对企业减税对普通民众没有帮助’的观点。”
“我们应该在帮助我们国家成功的基础上制定我们的税收政策。什么样的经济才能让我们国家的每个人都受益。我不接受的是‘对企业减税对普通民众没有帮助’的观点。”
Truss, who is also proposing to scrap the cap on bankers’ bonuses, said she was prepared to be an unpopular prime minister to bring in measures she believes will grow the economy. “Yes, yes I am,” she said. “What is important to me is that we grow the British economy”.
特拉斯还提议取消银行家奖金上限，她表示，她准备成为一个不受欢迎的总理，推出她认为将促进经济增长的措施。“是的，是的，我是，”她说。“对我来说，重要的是我们促进了英国经济的增长。”
特拉斯还提议取消银行家奖金上限，她表示，她准备成为一个不受欢迎的总理，推出她认为将促进经济增长的措施。“是的，是的，我是，”她说。“对我来说，重要的是我们促进了英国经济的增长。”
Some Tory MPs believe that chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng could bring forward by a year the pledge made by his predecessor Rishi Sunak when chancellor, to cut income tax by 1% from 2024. Business groups are expecting changes to business rates and cuts to VAT to help with the energy crisis, as well as a longer-term review.
一些保守党议员认为，财政大臣夸西·科沃滕可以将其前任担任财政大臣时做出的承诺提前一年，即从2024年起削减1%的所得税。商业团体希望改变商业税率和削减增值税，以帮助应对能源危机，同时进行长期的审查。
一些保守党议员认为，财政大臣夸西·科沃滕可以将其前任担任财政大臣时做出的承诺提前一年，即从2024年起削减1%的所得税。商业团体希望改变商业税率和削减增值税，以帮助应对能源危机，同时进行长期的审查。
Truss brushed aside concerns about the falling pound and general state of economy. “My belief is that Britain’s economic fundamentals are strong,” she said, rejecting claims that interest rates would rise as a result of her approach.
特拉斯对英镑下跌和整体经济状况的担忧不屑一顾。她表示：“我相信英国的经济基本面是强劲的。”她否决了利率将因她的政策而上升的说法。
特拉斯对英镑下跌和整体经济状况的担忧不屑一顾。她表示：“我相信英国的经济基本面是强劲的。”她否决了利率将因她的政策而上升的说法。
Earlier, she said that higher energy bills were a price worth paying to guarantee the UK’s security from foreign aggressors, but the cost should not be passed on to householders.
早些时候，她表示，为了保证英国的安全免受外国侵略者的攻击，更高的能源账单是值得付出的代价，但这一成本不应该转嫁到住户身上。
早些时候，她表示，为了保证英国的安全免受外国侵略者的攻击，更高的能源账单是值得付出的代价，但这一成本不应该转嫁到住户身上。
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twistedLucidityScotland
Fuck "trickle down" economics, we should pursue "bubble up".
When the poorer people in a society can afford to purchase goods and services that stimulates the economy as they will have a greater amount of non-discretionary spending (remember, in the world's sixth largest economy we have people who can't afford to eat).
The rich getting richer just increases the sizes of the wealth hordes and does little for the economy.
去nmd“涓滴经济学”，我们应该追求“泡沫上升”。
当一个社会中的穷人有能力购买商品和服务时，就会刺激经济，因为他们将有更多的非自由支配支出（记住，在世界第六大经济体中，我们有买不起饭的人）。
富人变得更富有只会增加富人群体的规模，对经济几乎没有什么帮助。
Fuck "trickle down" economics, we should pursue "bubble up".
When the poorer people in a society can afford to purchase goods and services that stimulates the economy as they will have a greater amount of non-discretionary spending (remember, in the world's sixth largest economy we have people who can't afford to eat).
The rich getting richer just increases the sizes of the wealth hordes and does little for the economy.
去nmd“涓滴经济学”，我们应该追求“泡沫上升”。
当一个社会中的穷人有能力购买商品和服务时，就会刺激经济，因为他们将有更多的非自由支配支出（记住，在世界第六大经济体中，我们有买不起饭的人）。
富人变得更富有只会增加富人群体的规模，对经济几乎没有什么帮助。
Rich_PL
It's also been seen (major studies, but for the life of me I can't cite any as my memory is 'trickling down' right now... I guess I'll try to dig it up just so I don't seem like a pompous ass on the internet.) that higher taxes cause greater investment by companies as it becomes more valuable for them to expand and invest internally (more stock, better infrastructure etc) than it would be to be paying a 'higher' tax... From what I recall reading the reports, companies will attempt to shed excess taxable income - and that generally means more spending.
人们还看到（通过主要的研究看到，但我这辈子都举不出任何例子，因为我的记忆现在正在“涓滴”下来……我想我还是把它挖出来好让自己在网上看起来不像个自大的混蛋。）更高的税收会导致企业增加投资，因为对它们来说，扩大和内部投资（更多的股票，更好的基础设施等等）比支付“更高”的税收更有价值……据我所知，公司将试图减少多余的应税收入——这通常意味着增加支出。
It's also been seen (major studies, but for the life of me I can't cite any as my memory is 'trickling down' right now... I guess I'll try to dig it up just so I don't seem like a pompous ass on the internet.) that higher taxes cause greater investment by companies as it becomes more valuable for them to expand and invest internally (more stock, better infrastructure etc) than it would be to be paying a 'higher' tax... From what I recall reading the reports, companies will attempt to shed excess taxable income - and that generally means more spending.
人们还看到（通过主要的研究看到，但我这辈子都举不出任何例子，因为我的记忆现在正在“涓滴”下来……我想我还是把它挖出来好让自己在网上看起来不像个自大的混蛋。）更高的税收会导致企业增加投资，因为对它们来说，扩大和内部投资（更多的股票，更好的基础设施等等）比支付“更高”的税收更有价值……据我所知，公司将试图减少多余的应税收入——这通常意味着增加支出。
xelah1
This appears to be about taxes on the rich rather than corporate taxes. These are quite different things.
Ultimately, all taxes fall on people at some point, even if they're levied on a company - it might be an owner, but it also might be a lender, customer, employee or supplier. Think of VAT as an easy example: everyone believes it's mostly or completely passed on to customers, but it's companies who are legally liable.
It's an unsettled question exactly who bears the cost of corporate taxes (ie, on profits), but there are a number of papers suggesting half-ish lands on employees via reduced wages. This is one such paper, and this is another.
IMO, taxing company profits instead of the dividends and interest they pay obfuscates where the tax actually falls and is designed to convince voters that it isn't them who is paying it. Corporation tax also incentivises borrowing over equity financing, and things like being a landlord over investing in businesses.
I'd rather see taxes levied via higher income tax and capital gains rates, especially at the top-end, rather than corporation tax. Removing the reduction in tax rates for dividend income would be a start.
这似乎是针对富人的税收，而不是对企业的税收。这完全是两码事。
最终，在某种程度上，所有的税收都落在“人”的身上，即使是对公司征收的税——可能是所有者，但也可能是贷款人、客户、雇员或供应商。拿增值税作一个简单的例子：每个人都认为它大部分或完全转嫁给了客户，但法律上负有责任的是公司。
到底谁来承担公司税的成本（即利润）是一个尚未解决的问题，但有许多论文建议通过减薪将一半转嫁到员工身上。这是一篇这样的论文，这是另一篇。（译注：链接）
在我看来，对公司利润征税而不是对他们支付的股息和利息征税混淆了税收的实际去向，旨在说服选民，不是他们在纳税。公司税还鼓励借贷而不是股权融资，鼓励做房东而不是投资企业。
我更希望看到通过提高所得税和资本利得税率来征税，尤其是对高端人群的，而不是企业所得税。取消对股息收入的税率减免将是一个开始。
This appears to be about taxes on the rich rather than corporate taxes. These are quite different things.
Ultimately, all taxes fall on people at some point, even if they're levied on a company - it might be an owner, but it also might be a lender, customer, employee or supplier. Think of VAT as an easy example: everyone believes it's mostly or completely passed on to customers, but it's companies who are legally liable.
It's an unsettled question exactly who bears the cost of corporate taxes (ie, on profits), but there are a number of papers suggesting half-ish lands on employees via reduced wages. This is one such paper, and this is another.
IMO, taxing company profits instead of the dividends and interest they pay obfuscates where the tax actually falls and is designed to convince voters that it isn't them who is paying it. Corporation tax also incentivises borrowing over equity financing, and things like being a landlord over investing in businesses.
I'd rather see taxes levied via higher income tax and capital gains rates, especially at the top-end, rather than corporation tax. Removing the reduction in tax rates for dividend income would be a start.
这似乎是针对富人的税收，而不是对企业的税收。这完全是两码事。
最终，在某种程度上，所有的税收都落在“人”的身上，即使是对公司征收的税——可能是所有者，但也可能是贷款人、客户、雇员或供应商。拿增值税作一个简单的例子：每个人都认为它大部分或完全转嫁给了客户，但法律上负有责任的是公司。
到底谁来承担公司税的成本（即利润）是一个尚未解决的问题，但有许多论文建议通过减薪将一半转嫁到员工身上。这是一篇这样的论文，这是另一篇。（译注：链接）
在我看来，对公司利润征税而不是对他们支付的股息和利息征税混淆了税收的实际去向，旨在说服选民，不是他们在纳税。公司税还鼓励借贷而不是股权融资，鼓励做房东而不是投资企业。
我更希望看到通过提高所得税和资本利得税率来征税，尤其是对高端人群的，而不是企业所得税。取消对股息收入的税率减免将是一个开始。
AlexHanson007
I thought all the comments about her being really thick were exaggerated jokes.
It would appear I was wrong.
我以为所有说她很蠢的评论都是夸张的笑话。
看来我错了。
I thought all the comments about her being really thick were exaggerated jokes.
It would appear I was wrong.
我以为所有说她很蠢的评论都是夸张的笑话。
看来我错了。
Sprigunner
Thick maybe. Above all I think she has a pathological need for a pat on the back from her worthless peers. See her conversion to Conservativism as soon as she got a job at Shell.
Actually find her more revolting than Boris.
也许说重了。最重要的是，我认为她有一种病态的需要，需要从她那些毫无价值的同龄人那里得到鼓励。看看她在壳牌一找到工作就转向了保守主义吧。
其实我觉得她比鲍里斯更讨厌。
Thick maybe. Above all I think she has a pathological need for a pat on the back from her worthless peers. See her conversion to Conservativism as soon as she got a job at Shell.
Actually find her more revolting than Boris.
也许说重了。最重要的是，我认为她有一种病态的需要，需要从她那些毫无价值的同龄人那里得到鼓励。看看她在壳牌一找到工作就转向了保守主义吧。
其实我觉得她比鲍里斯更讨厌。
TheCockAndWomble
It says a lot that not even Boris would have gone for half this stuff.
It’s like she thought “if I change everything back to what it was like when Thatcher was in office, then I can just copy her policy”
Not to mention that in pretty much every photo she looks totally gormless.
很明显，即使是鲍里斯也不会做到她一半的程度。
就好像她在想“如果我把一切都变回撒切尔执政时的样子，我就可以复制她的政策了”
更不用说在几乎每张照片中她看起来都很傻。
It says a lot that not even Boris would have gone for half this stuff.
It’s like she thought “if I change everything back to what it was like when Thatcher was in office, then I can just copy her policy”
Not to mention that in pretty much every photo she looks totally gormless.
很明显，即使是鲍里斯也不会做到她一半的程度。
就好像她在想“如果我把一切都变回撒切尔执政时的样子，我就可以复制她的政策了”
更不用说在几乎每张照片中她看起来都很傻。
throwaway55221100
At this point I think Liz Truss is like the character from the film Goon. He has no ice-hockey playing ability but his one job is just to do as much damage as possible and distrupt the flow of the game.
I think the Tories have reached the point now. They've completely lost the publics faith and now their popular leader has stepped down they literally have to pick from the dreggs and the leader isn't even popular with her own party. Now shes just going to spend 2 years implementing the most batshit ideas to make it hard for the opposition when they inevitably take over.
在这一点上，我认为利兹·特拉斯就像电影《Goon》中的角色。他没有打冰球的能力，但他唯一的工作就是尽可能多地造成伤害，扰乱比赛的进程。
我认为保守党现在已经到了这样的地步。他们已经完全失去了公众的信任，现在他们受欢迎的领导人下台了，他们不得不从渣滓中挑选，而这位领导人甚至在她自己的党内都不受欢迎。现在她要花2年的时间来实施最扯淡的点子，以（制造烂摊子）让反对派在不可避免地掌权时很难施政。
At this point I think Liz Truss is like the character from the film Goon. He has no ice-hockey playing ability but his one job is just to do as much damage as possible and distrupt the flow of the game.
I think the Tories have reached the point now. They've completely lost the publics faith and now their popular leader has stepped down they literally have to pick from the dreggs and the leader isn't even popular with her own party. Now shes just going to spend 2 years implementing the most batshit ideas to make it hard for the opposition when they inevitably take over.
在这一点上，我认为利兹·特拉斯就像电影《Goon》中的角色。他没有打冰球的能力，但他唯一的工作就是尽可能多地造成伤害，扰乱比赛的进程。
我认为保守党现在已经到了这样的地步。他们已经完全失去了公众的信任，现在他们受欢迎的领导人下台了，他们不得不从渣滓中挑选，而这位领导人甚至在她自己的党内都不受欢迎。现在她要花2年的时间来实施最扯淡的点子，以（制造烂摊子）让反对派在不可避免地掌权时很难施政。
McFuzzyChipmunk
Trickle down economics isn't real it doesn't work, it never has and it never will. You know why? Because humans are greedy, you give people at the top money and they want to keep it so it never trickles down it just pools at the top. I genuinely can't tell if the Tory party are evil villains creating a perfect country for themselves and their donors while letting everyone else suffer. Or whether they are just so completely and utterly brain dead that they believe that one day if they just keep trying somehow it will work out. I am utterly baffled that after all of the repeated failures from the Tory party that people still vote them in, its like the entire country has Stockholm syndrome.
涓滴经济学不靠谱，它没用，从来都没用，也永远不会有用。你知道为什么吗？因为人是贪婪的，你给顶层的人钱，他们就会想要保留它，所以它永远不会滴落下来，它只会聚集在顶层。我真的不知道保守党是不是邪恶的恶棍，他们为自己和他们的捐助者创造了一个完美的国家，却让其他人受苦。或者他们只是完全脑死亡了，使他们相信有一天只要他们继续努力涓滴，问题就会解决。我完全搞不懂，在保守党多次失败之后，人们仍然投票给他们，就好像整个国家都有斯德哥尔摩综合症一样。
Trickle down economics isn't real it doesn't work, it never has and it never will. You know why? Because humans are greedy, you give people at the top money and they want to keep it so it never trickles down it just pools at the top. I genuinely can't tell if the Tory party are evil villains creating a perfect country for themselves and their donors while letting everyone else suffer. Or whether they are just so completely and utterly brain dead that they believe that one day if they just keep trying somehow it will work out. I am utterly baffled that after all of the repeated failures from the Tory party that people still vote them in, its like the entire country has Stockholm syndrome.
涓滴经济学不靠谱，它没用，从来都没用，也永远不会有用。你知道为什么吗？因为人是贪婪的，你给顶层的人钱，他们就会想要保留它，所以它永远不会滴落下来，它只会聚集在顶层。我真的不知道保守党是不是邪恶的恶棍，他们为自己和他们的捐助者创造了一个完美的国家，却让其他人受苦。或者他们只是完全脑死亡了，使他们相信有一天只要他们继续努力涓滴，问题就会解决。我完全搞不懂，在保守党多次失败之后，人们仍然投票给他们，就好像整个国家都有斯德哥尔摩综合症一样。
spubbbba
We need to revert back to the old name for this "horse-and-sparrow theory", If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.
We've known the truth of these type of economics for over a century. Just goes to show the power of propaganda where the Conservatives still have a better reputation on the economy than Labour.
我们需要改回“马和麻雀理论”的旧名称——如果你喂马足够的燕麦，就会有一些燕麦撒在路上给麻雀吃。
我们已经知道这种经济学的真相长达一个多世纪了。这恰恰显示了宣传的力量，保守党在经济问题上仍比工党有更好的声誉。
We need to revert back to the old name for this "horse-and-sparrow theory", If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.
We've known the truth of these type of economics for over a century. Just goes to show the power of propaganda where the Conservatives still have a better reputation on the economy than Labour.
我们需要改回“马和麻雀理论”的旧名称——如果你喂马足够的燕麦，就会有一些燕麦撒在路上给麻雀吃。
我们已经知道这种经济学的真相长达一个多世纪了。这恰恰显示了宣传的力量，保守党在经济问题上仍比工党有更好的声誉。
seattle23fv
I think Truss is a fool with no true political leaning but the measures she’s supporting are hardly strong “trickle down economics”, they are just economically liberal policies that places like Singapore and Hong Kong have long supported. The key difference however is that those places have so much taxable income gained from new entrants and corporates that they run considerable surpluses for decades that can support public services.
In the short term, Truss should buck up, heed warnings, and realise that the whole “Singapore on the Thames” fantasy should be put aside to deal with the problems of Britain today. The government has to make an immediate start on increasing housing supply, paying for education, and attracting major corporates,FDI, and trade deals to rectify the mistakes of Brexit. It’s a testament to the dishonesty of brexiteers that they still haven’t been able to sign a single major deal.
我认为特拉斯是个SB，没有真正的政治倾向，但她支持的措施并不是强大的“涓滴经济”，它们只是新加坡和香港等地长期支持的经济自由政策。然而，关键的区别在于，这些地方从新进入者和企业那里获得的应税收入如此之多，以至于它们几十年来都有可观的盈余，可以支持公共服务。
在短期内，特拉斯应该振作起来，听取警告，并意识到“泰晤士河上的新加坡”的整个幻想应该搁置一边，以处理英国目前的问题。为了纠正英国脱欧的错误，政府必须立即开始增加住房供应、支付教育费用、吸引大企业和外国直接投资、贸易协议。脱欧派至今仍未能签署一项重大协议，这证明了他们的不诚实。
I think Truss is a fool with no true political leaning but the measures she’s supporting are hardly strong “trickle down economics”, they are just economically liberal policies that places like Singapore and Hong Kong have long supported. The key difference however is that those places have so much taxable income gained from new entrants and corporates that they run considerable surpluses for decades that can support public services.
In the short term, Truss should buck up, heed warnings, and realise that the whole “Singapore on the Thames” fantasy should be put aside to deal with the problems of Britain today. The government has to make an immediate start on increasing housing supply, paying for education, and attracting major corporates,FDI, and trade deals to rectify the mistakes of Brexit. It’s a testament to the dishonesty of brexiteers that they still haven’t been able to sign a single major deal.
我认为特拉斯是个SB，没有真正的政治倾向，但她支持的措施并不是强大的“涓滴经济”，它们只是新加坡和香港等地长期支持的经济自由政策。然而，关键的区别在于，这些地方从新进入者和企业那里获得的应税收入如此之多，以至于它们几十年来都有可观的盈余，可以支持公共服务。
在短期内，特拉斯应该振作起来，听取警告，并意识到“泰晤士河上的新加坡”的整个幻想应该搁置一边，以处理英国目前的问题。为了纠正英国脱欧的错误，政府必须立即开始增加住房供应、支付教育费用、吸引大企业和外国直接投资、贸易协议。脱欧派至今仍未能签署一项重大协议，这证明了他们的不诚实。
IIPESTILENCEII
I somewhat agree but If Singapore on Thames is what this country wants, we need to start taking major steps now.
For once, let's sacrifice the current generation to make it better for future generations rather than just putting a plaster on everything and waiting for it to rupture and fuck the next generation in the arse.
Although I have to say I don't believe the government will make any meaningful steps to make that a reality so its pointless regardless.
我有点同意，但如果“泰晤士河上的新加坡”是这个国家想要的，我们现在就需要开始采取重大措施。
一劳永逸地，让我们牺牲这一代人，为后代创造更好的生活，而不是把所有东西都贴个零时补丁然后等着它破裂，然后接着爆下一代的菊。
虽然我不得不说，我不相信政府将采取任何有意义的措施使其成为现实，所以毫无意义。
I somewhat agree but If Singapore on Thames is what this country wants, we need to start taking major steps now.
For once, let's sacrifice the current generation to make it better for future generations rather than just putting a plaster on everything and waiting for it to rupture and fuck the next generation in the arse.
Although I have to say I don't believe the government will make any meaningful steps to make that a reality so its pointless regardless.
我有点同意，但如果“泰晤士河上的新加坡”是这个国家想要的，我们现在就需要开始采取重大措施。
一劳永逸地，让我们牺牲这一代人，为后代创造更好的生活，而不是把所有东西都贴个零时补丁然后等着它破裂，然后接着爆下一代的菊。
虽然我不得不说，我不相信政府将采取任何有意义的措施使其成为现实，所以毫无意义。
seattle23fv
Long term strategy shifts take time, planning, stability and some level of ingenuity. The UK (especially one led by Truss) has none of that. The new budget they announced, for example, makes a show of getting rid of Brexit-era caps on bankers bonuses in order to lure in more talent; how could this make up for competitiveness lost not because of a bonus cap but because corporates had to move staff for legal reasons?
Moreover, it’s just not the right time for these type of things. The country is recovering from a pandemic, global inflation from Russia/Ukraine and China production slowdown, and the reality is that social care in the short to medium term has to be extended, not suspended. The government expecting people get back to work with tax cuts, benefits for startups, and even “investment zones” will run quickly into the issue that the trend of global aggregate demand is against them. Plus - decreasing taxes now only to burden future generations with borrowing is a ludicrous strategy. The real effective solution is to make a long term environment which attracts businesses and global talent and thereby increases the total amount of money derived from tax, while keeping the individual taxation rate low. But again, this would take YEARS to implement.
长期的战略转变需要时间、计划、稳定性和一定程度的独创性。英国（尤其是由特拉斯领导下的英国）不具备这些。比如，他们宣布的新预算为了吸引更多人才，特意取消了英国脱欧时代对银行家奖金的限制；可这怎么能弥补不是因为奖金上限，而是因为企业因法律原因不得不调动员工而失去的竞争力呢？
此外，现在不是做这类事情的合适时机。英国正在从大流行、俄罗斯/乌克兰造成的全球通货膨胀和中国生产放缓中恢复，现实情况是，中短期的社会保障必须延长，而不是暂停。指望着人们通过减税、初创企业受益、甚至“投资区”重返工作岗位，很快就会遇到全球总需求趋势不利于他们的问题。另外，现在减税只会给下一代带来借贷的负担，这是一个荒谬的策略。真正有效的解决方案是，创造长期的环境，吸引企业和全球人才，从而增加税收总额，同时保持较低的个人税率。但是，这将需要多年的时间才能实现。
Long term strategy shifts take time, planning, stability and some level of ingenuity. The UK (especially one led by Truss) has none of that. The new budget they announced, for example, makes a show of getting rid of Brexit-era caps on bankers bonuses in order to lure in more talent; how could this make up for competitiveness lost not because of a bonus cap but because corporates had to move staff for legal reasons?
Moreover, it’s just not the right time for these type of things. The country is recovering from a pandemic, global inflation from Russia/Ukraine and China production slowdown, and the reality is that social care in the short to medium term has to be extended, not suspended. The government expecting people get back to work with tax cuts, benefits for startups, and even “investment zones” will run quickly into the issue that the trend of global aggregate demand is against them. Plus - decreasing taxes now only to burden future generations with borrowing is a ludicrous strategy. The real effective solution is to make a long term environment which attracts businesses and global talent and thereby increases the total amount of money derived from tax, while keeping the individual taxation rate low. But again, this would take YEARS to implement.
长期的战略转变需要时间、计划、稳定性和一定程度的独创性。英国（尤其是由特拉斯领导下的英国）不具备这些。比如，他们宣布的新预算为了吸引更多人才，特意取消了英国脱欧时代对银行家奖金的限制；可这怎么能弥补不是因为奖金上限，而是因为企业因法律原因不得不调动员工而失去的竞争力呢？
此外，现在不是做这类事情的合适时机。英国正在从大流行、俄罗斯/乌克兰造成的全球通货膨胀和中国生产放缓中恢复，现实情况是，中短期的社会保障必须延长，而不是暂停。指望着人们通过减税、初创企业受益、甚至“投资区”重返工作岗位，很快就会遇到全球总需求趋势不利于他们的问题。另外，现在减税只会给下一代带来借贷的负担，这是一个荒谬的策略。真正有效的解决方案是，创造长期的环境，吸引企业和全球人才，从而增加税收总额，同时保持较低的个人税率。但是，这将需要多年的时间才能实现。
IIPESTILENCEII
The thing is, trickle down economics can work.. it just never does.
If managed properly, grants and low interest loans given to people and companies that are genuinely using it to grow and expand their businesses it can create a lot of jobs.
The reality of trickle down economics is giving endless money to banks who invest it in foreign companies and fossil fuels.
Which raises the question, is Lizz Truss doing the right thing or is she lining the pockets of those that line her pockets. Its a tricky one to answer that I'm sure reddit will have some opinions on.
问题是，涓滴经济学是可行的……它只是从来没有真正践行过。
如果管理得当，将赠款和低息贷款发放给真正利用它来增长和扩大业务的个人和公司，它就能创造大量的就业机会。
但涓滴经济学的现实是，银行将源源不断的资金投资于外国公司和化石燃料。
问题来了：莉兹·特拉斯到底是在做正确的事还是只是在借此为她的亲信中饱私囊。这个问题很难回答，我相信红迪网民会有一些看法。
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The thing is, trickle down economics can work.. it just never does.
If managed properly, grants and low interest loans given to people and companies that are genuinely using it to grow and expand their businesses it can create a lot of jobs.
The reality of trickle down economics is giving endless money to banks who invest it in foreign companies and fossil fuels.
Which raises the question, is Lizz Truss doing the right thing or is she lining the pockets of those that line her pockets. Its a tricky one to answer that I'm sure reddit will have some opinions on.
问题是，涓滴经济学是可行的……它只是从来没有真正践行过。
如果管理得当，将赠款和低息贷款发放给真正利用它来增长和扩大业务的个人和公司，它就能创造大量的就业机会。
但涓滴经济学的现实是，银行将源源不断的资金投资于外国公司和化石燃料。
问题来了：莉兹·特拉斯到底是在做正确的事还是只是在借此为她的亲信中饱私囊。这个问题很难回答，我相信红迪网民会有一些看法。
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JayPiz
While I dont agree, I think k this is a move to allow banks to pay bigger bonuses.
Yes, this will increase income inequality which is a bad thing. But it will also boost tax revenues to pay for sorely needed NHS investment and all the other things the government is now paying for in the wake of the energy crisis.
They need to do something.
虽然我不赞同，但我认为这是一个允许银行支付更大奖金的举措。
是的，这将增加收入不平等，这是一件坏事。但它也将增加税收收入，以支付急需的国家医疗体系投资，以及政府在能源危机之后正在支付的所有其他东西。
他们需要做点什么。
While I dont agree, I think k this is a move to allow banks to pay bigger bonuses.
Yes, this will increase income inequality which is a bad thing. But it will also boost tax revenues to pay for sorely needed NHS investment and all the other things the government is now paying for in the wake of the energy crisis.
They need to do something.
虽然我不赞同，但我认为这是一个允许银行支付更大奖金的举措。
是的，这将增加收入不平等，这是一件坏事。但它也将增加税收收入，以支付急需的国家医疗体系投资，以及政府在能源危机之后正在支付的所有其他东西。
他们需要做点什么。
Piod1
Bollocks, there is no trickling. Horse and sparrow economic model. The horse eats oats every day and shits. The sparrows might get a crumb if they fight each other over the same shitshow.... Its has always been sugar coated feudalism and folk only notice when the sugar is being removed to maintain the shareholders profits.
扯淡，P涓滴都不会有。这就是“马和麻雀”的经济模式。马每天吃燕麦，拉S。如果麻雀们肯为了争夺而打成一团，它们可能就会得到燕麦屑……这种理论一直都是裹着糖衣的封建主义，而普通人只会在为了维护大股东的利益而把糖衣去除时才会发觉过来。
Bollocks, there is no trickling. Horse and sparrow economic model. The horse eats oats every day and shits. The sparrows might get a crumb if they fight each other over the same shitshow.... Its has always been sugar coated feudalism and folk only notice when the sugar is being removed to maintain the shareholders profits.
扯淡，P涓滴都不会有。这就是“马和麻雀”的经济模式。马每天吃燕麦，拉S。如果麻雀们肯为了争夺而打成一团，它们可能就会得到燕麦屑……这种理论一直都是裹着糖衣的封建主义，而普通人只会在为了维护大股东的利益而把糖衣去除时才会发觉过来。
TheNonceMan
The thing that's prove to be total BS? God, these Tories need to be put to an end.
那个已经被证明完全是扯淡的经济学理论？天啊，这些保守党应该被灭掉。
The thing that's prove to be total BS? God, these Tories need to be put to an end.
那个已经被证明完全是扯淡的经济学理论？天啊，这些保守党应该被灭掉。
Nezwin
Genuine question -
I feel like I might be missing something with Liz Truss. She's advocating trickle down economics, which has been proven to be ineffective. But she can't be so stupid to try it again, she's made it to PM. She can't be stupid. She must also know it will poison the electorate against her. So is there some other play going on here?
真诚的问题——
我觉得我对莉兹·特拉斯可能错过了什么。她提倡的涓滴经济学，已经被证明是无效的了。但她不会蠢到再试一次的，她已经当了首相。她肯定不傻。她肯定也知道这会毒害选民，让他们反对她。所以这里面是还有其他的阴谋吗？
Genuine question -
I feel like I might be missing something with Liz Truss. She's advocating trickle down economics, which has been proven to be ineffective. But she can't be so stupid to try it again, she's made it to PM. She can't be stupid. She must also know it will poison the electorate against her. So is there some other play going on here?
真诚的问题——
我觉得我对莉兹·特拉斯可能错过了什么。她提倡的涓滴经济学，已经被证明是无效的了。但她不会蠢到再试一次的，她已经当了首相。她肯定不傻。她肯定也知道这会毒害选民，让他们反对她。所以这里面是还有其他的阴谋吗？
trev2234
Never worked before. Normally I’d say she only wants it to work the way it has before and make the rich richer. However she’s probably stupid enough to believe the lie even with the mountain of evidence against it.
这套经济学从来没有用过。通常我会说，她只是希望事情像以前那样发展，让富人更富。然而，她也可能真的是愚蠢到相信这个谎言，即使有如山的证据反对它。
Never worked before. Normally I’d say she only wants it to work the way it has before and make the rich richer. However she’s probably stupid enough to believe the lie even with the mountain of evidence against it.
这套经济学从来没有用过。通常我会说，她只是希望事情像以前那样发展，让富人更富。然而，她也可能真的是愚蠢到相信这个谎言，即使有如山的证据反对它。
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