受够了听到亚洲是“世界上最种族主义的地方”的说法,有些人是怎么得到这种结论的??
2022-12-26 兰陵笑笑生 17781
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Sick of hearing about how Asia is "the most racist place in the world," where do people keep getting this from??

受够了听到亚洲是“世界上最种族主义的地方”的说法,有些人是怎么得到这种结论的??





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IAmYourDad_
"Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth."

"谎言重复千万遍,它就会成为真理。"

Vertraumir
Cause you know, it were Asian countries that enslaved countless blacks, asians, American natives, and used racism as a weapon against every their enemy (Chinese exclusion act, concentration camps for Japanese etc)

因为你知道的,正是亚洲国家奴役了无数的黑人、亚洲人、美国原住民,并利用种族主义作为武器对付他们的敌人(排华法案,日本人集中营等)

CurryandRiceTogether
You make a good point. What the Whites did is especially heinous and goes way beyond whatever Asians have done. No Asians has ever conquered and settled multiple continents and created countries as living space themselves. The Whites deprived entire groups of people of a homeland, which is an especially severe form of injustice. At least with Asians, their homeland remains intact and are now recovering and converging with the White countries. For groups like Native Americans and enslaved Blacks, they're still colonized to this day and will take a long time for them to overcome the oppression of the Whites.

你说到点子上了。白人的所作所为令人发指,远远超出了亚洲人所做的一切。亚洲人不曾征服并定居多个大陆,并创造国家作为自己的生存空间。白人剥夺了某个群体的祖国,这是一种特别严重的不正义行为。不过至少对亚洲人来说,他们的祖国仍然是完整的,现在正在恢复并赶上白人国家。对于美国原住民和被奴役的黑人等群体来说,他们至今仍被殖民,需要很长一段时间才能克服白人的压迫。

papayapapagay
How fragile? ... White Europeans genocided native Americans, enslaved black people, colonised and brutalised people of colour all over the world etc.. and used supremacist logic like manifest destiny and spreading the word of God to justify it... But his feelings are hurt because Koreans made him feel like a goof

图片里的那个人也太脆弱了吧?...欧洲白人对印第安人进行种族灭绝,奴役黑人,在世界各地殖民和虐待有色人种等等。并使用至上主义逻辑,如昭昭天命,传播上帝之道来为之辩护。但他的感情受到了伤害,因为韩国人让他感觉自己像个傻瓜,哈哈

OpenSourcGamer
Incels who can’t get a girlfriend in their life will project their racism toward the non racist people.
White people needs to stop being so racist. They’re not that special on planet earth.

在生活中找不到女朋友的Incels会把他们的种族主义投射到非种族主义者身上。 白人需要停止如此严重的种族主义。他们在地球上并不是那么特别。
(Incel:非自愿独身,也称确实被迫孤独,或作非自发的独身、浪漫的差距或恋爱隔差,是指现时社会基于经济条件或其他非自愿的原因而无法找到伴侣的人。这些人一般都是男性,而且可能未有过任何性经验。他们可能是毒男,又或是一些女子的观音兵,但也有可能两者也不是。这样的一群人后来成为了欧美社会中的一个次文化团体。--维基百科)

devsteel
Meanwhile blacks who actually live in Asia are doing vlogs and saying life is great.
Whites are masters of projection. They assume that since whites are so racist, so Asians must be a 100 times more racist because Asians are "uncivilized". Unlike the "morally superior" white people who ran the biggest slave trade in human history and invaded every country on the planet.
“I’m a Free Black Man Here ...” (Black in Japan)
"You Have Freedom Out Here, Like Real Freedom ..." (Black in Vietnam)
Why Go To China? (Black in China)
"People Here Are Tolerant ..." (Black in Singapore)

与此同时,真正生活在亚洲的黑人正在制作视频博客并说生活很美好。
白人是投射的大师。他们认为,既然白人是如此的种族主义者,那么亚洲人一定是100倍的种族主义者,因为亚洲人是"未开化的"。不像那些"道德高尚"的白人--他们经营着人类历史上最大的奴隶贸易,并入侵了地球上的每一个国家。
“我是一个自由的黑人,在这里......”(在日本的黑人)
“你在这里有自由,真正的自由......”(在越南的黑人)
“为什么要去中国?”(在中国的黑人)
“这里的人很宽容......”(在新加坡的黑人)

am_i_the_grasshole
Thanks for these sources it is great to hear people saying this. A big part of the white agenda is to keep the people they steal from divided and I’m really beginning to realize most of the Asian/ African tensions are stoked intentionally by Europeans.

谢谢你的这些消息来源,很高兴听到人们这么说。白人议程的很大一部分是让被他们偷窃的人分裂,我真的开始意识到大多数亚洲/非洲的紧张局势是由欧洲人故意煽动的。

asianfoodie4life
This screams “Asian countries are racist af so it’s okay to beat up Asians in the West.”

尖叫着“亚洲国家是种族主义者,所以在西方殴打亚洲人是可以的。”

MoTingHuean121
He wasn't saying this. He says that people in Asia can be racist too.
Heck I'm an Asian who tans easily and I've gotten racism from light-skinned Northeast Asians both in Asia and in the US.

图片里的人不是在说这个。他说,亚洲人也会有种族主义者。
我是一个容易晒黑的亚洲人,我在亚洲和美国都受到过浅色皮肤的东北亚人的种族主义。

doughnutholio
I'd ask you to take your tongue out of other people's asses, but I assume it's gotten quite comfortable to the taste.
I'll leave you to it.

我想让你把你的舌头从别人的屁眼那里移开,但我想你已经很适应这种味道了。
所以我就不打扰你了。

araararagi-san
you're not Asian, you're one of those CIA Twitter psy-op accounts

你不是亚洲人,你是中情局推特上的一个心理战账户。

8-Red-8
From their post history, they’re the libtard type of Asian that hates themselves to the point where they shit on their own parents and their entire community. Sad really.

从他们的发帖历史来看,他们是那种讨厌自己的亚洲人,他们讨厌自己的父母和整个社区。真的很难过。

SuperSnorlax
no use your brain and read between the lines - he's trying to dismiss racism against asians in America by claiming "Korea is one of the most racist places on earth" and of course he only has anecdotal evidence to support his outlandish and over exaggerated claim

只过眼不过脑是吧 - 他试图通过声称"韩国是地球上最种族主义的地方之一"来否定美国对亚洲人的种族主义,想当然耳他只有没有证据的轶事来支持他离奇和过度夸张的说法。

elBottoo
brains is what these people dont have.
more and more people in the west has declining IQ, it almost feels like. maybe something in the cheap plastic food that they eat.

这些人是没有脑子的。
在西方,越来越多的人智商下降,这几乎让人怀疑他们吃的廉价塑料食品里是不是掺了点什么东西。

8-Red-8
Seems like the modern way of saying “those people are uncivilized savages”.
We as the West must civilize free those savages oppressed/brainwashed people.

这似乎是一种说"那些人是未开化的野蛮人"的现代方式。
--我们作为西方国家必须开化(划掉)--解放那些被压迫/被洗脑的野蛮人。

BlindingAngel
What most people don't realize is that if Asians (or East Asians in particular) were to be racist, most of the time it's due to ignorance. But Anglos on the other hand...their racism is MALICIOUS. No educated person can deny this

大多数人没有意识到的是,如果亚洲人(尤其是东亚人)是种族主义者,那么大多数时候都是由于无知。但另一方面,盎格鲁人……他们的种族主义是恶意的。没有一个受过教育的人能否认这一点

Broccoli_Chin
oh poor little bastard got "laughed at" in "some places". Wow, little fragile motherfucker must have so much ptsd from that.
Does this guy just ignore every case of black on asian crime in the US? And he dares say that "being laughed at in some places" is worse??

哦,这个可怜的小王八蛋在“一些地方”被“嘲笑”了。哇,这个脆弱的小畜生一定得了PTSD了吧。这家伙是不是忽视了美国黑人对亚裔犯罪的案件?他敢说“在某些地方被嘲笑了”是比犯罪更糟的情况吗??
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eat_pray_thug
it is quite amusing to see people get angry about certain stereotypes but also dont see anything wrong with using (probably made up) anecdotes to declare an entire continent of 4.5 billion people all racist

看到人们对某些刻板印象感到愤怒,但却不认为用(可能是编造的)轶事来宣布整个大陆的45亿人都是种族主义者有什么问题,这很有趣。

hotpotato138
I cursed some people out in other subs. They generalize Asians, but think we are racist.

有些人就是找骂。他们对亚洲人一概视之,却认为我们是种族主义者。

mifaceb921
This happens because people don't push back aggressively against this narrative. Look at what happens when someone accuses the African-Americans of being the most racist. There will be a strong response to push back against that narrative. We need to learn from others on how to respond.

发生这种情况是因为人们没有积极反击这种叙述。看看当有人指责非洲裔美国人是最种族主义的人的时候会发生什么。会有强烈的反应来反击这种叙述。我们需要向别人学习如何应对。

dragonofdojima26
Lmao they just be making shit up .

笑死,完全是胡编乱造
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Azn_Rush
The guy that farted in the rooms blames others

在房间里放屁的人指责别人

X2204
Pretty much, pulling shit out of their asses. People are experts at doing that. Racism to them is at worse not having the red carpet rolled out for them and treated like royalty. People are utterly stupid and gullible if they just believe at face value what some random attention seeking person on the internet with their own personal agenda have to say. But a sucker is born every minute.

是的,根本是胡编乱造。人们是这样做的专家。对他们来说没有为他们铺设红地毯,没有被当作皇室成员对待是一种更糟糕的种族主义。如果人们只相信表面上的价值,那么人们是非常愚蠢和容易上当受骗的,散播这种胡编乱造的人在互联网上随机寻求关注,他们有自己的个人议程。但是每分钟都有一个相信这种胡扯的傻瓜诞生。

ablacnk
It's the "Big Lie" method of trying to shift the narrative away from centuries of white colonialism and racism.
Say something so outrageously untrue over and over again, and people start to believe it.

这是一种"大谎言"术,试图将叙事从几个世纪的白人殖民主义和种族主义中转移出来。
一遍又一遍地说一些离谱的不真实的话,人们就会逐渐开始相信它。

thek90
Racism against white people in Asia = being dismissed/teased
Racism against Asians in America = being beat up/gang raped/punched out over 100 times/set on fire/pushed in front of a moving train/shot/stabbed/sucker punched while walking down the street/attacked whether you are 8 or 80/need I go on?
Give me ONE example of a white man being randomly beaten/killed in Asia

亚洲针对白人的种族主义 = 被解雇/被嘲笑
美国对亚裔的种族歧视 = 被殴打/被轮奸/被殴打 100 多次/被烧死/被推到行驶中的火车前/枪击/刺伤/走在街上时被傻瓜殴打/被袭击,无论你是 8 岁还是 80 岁/我需要继续吗?
给我一个白人在亚洲被随机殴打/杀害的例子

__Tenat__
I saw a white man desperately clinging onto that there is no racism towards Asians in the US because "Asians earn the most money". And then closed it by saying, "I'd be curious to see how much a white man would make in China".
Dumbass didn't even know the history that unqualified Brits were given high roles in HK while extremely qualified Asians in the West are generally not even allowed into management / exec leadership.

我看到一个白人拼命地坚持认为在美国没有针对亚洲人的种族主义,因为"亚洲人挣的钱最多"。然后以"我很想知道一个白人在中国能赚多少钱"来结束。
这个蠢驴甚至不知道完全不合格的英国人在香港被授予高职位的历史,而在西方,条件极好的亚洲人通常甚至不被允许进入管理层/执行层领导。
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chbtgjuy37
i think it’s because we don’t mingle outside our own community, wage wars on other race like whites do, and don’t open our borders.
none of this is bad btw. it’s ok to stick within your community due to being mistreated by other race, maintain peace with other countries, and close our borders as long as we don’t directly cause a refugee crisis through war and invasion.
that’s the real reason we’re being labeled the most racist. everything else is smokescreen. they hate that we mostly keep to ourselves.

我认为这是因为我们不在自己的社区外打交道,不会像白人那样对其他种族发动战争,并且不开放我们的边界。
只要我们不通过战争和入侵直接导致难民危机,因为受到过别的种族的虐待而坚守自己的社区,与其他国家保持和平,并关闭我们的边界,这都是可以的。
这就是我们被贴上最种族主义的标签的真正原因,其他的都是烟幕。

healthobsession
Whites say this to tell black people to “feel lucky” that they live amongst whites in America.

白人这样说是为了告诉黑人你要为生活在美国的白人中间"感到幸运"。

RovingMarsRobot
The racism of Asians towards blacks (at its worst for the most part): moving to the other side of the street, an extra glare when the juveniles come in
The racism of blacks towards Asians: armed home invasions, elderly grandmas and grandpas beaten up and killed, robberies, burglaries, looting
So similar if they want to keep equating the racism of Asians and blacks, I’d gladly trade my peoples suffering for theirs. I don’t mind being watched extra at a store as much as I mind my people being killed and traumatized on a daily basis

亚洲人对黑人的种族主义(大部分最糟糕的情况):搬到街道的另一边,当青少年进店的时候多看盯几眼。
黑人对亚洲人的种族主义:持枪入室,老奶奶和老爷爷被殴打和杀害,抢劫,入室盗窃,掠夺。
真有可比性啊,如果他们想继续把亚洲人和黑人的种族主义等同起来,我很乐意用我的人民的痛苦换取他们的“痛苦”。我不会像介意我的人民每天被杀害和受到创伤一样介意在商店里被多盯几眼。

stolenwakandantech
Blacks will tell you Asians deserve to be attacked just for that reason alone lmao

黑人会告诉你,亚洲人仅仅因为这个原因就应该受到攻击,笑鼠

healthobsession
Asian hate crimes at this rate are a very recent phenomena. Tbh I’d much rather trade places with Asians as they’re usually born into families that emphasize success (I’m African so I was raised similarly but not with the same level of income as my family is middle class) that also have money to send them to elite universities, which has always been a dream of mine. The Asians at my university (of which there are many) live significantly easier lives than students like me who spend all their free time working because their parents tend to pay for their education. I don’t mean any of this maliciously either. I just feel like I’d be more set up for success considering I’ve always been amongst the top 5% academically, but couldn’t go to certain universities because my family couldn’t afford it. Unless you live in a shit hole like NY the issue of being beaten and robbed as an Asian is not common. They also have a significantly better reputation, and don’t have to worry about being viewed as incompetent, associated with criminality, or the myriad of mostly negative or dehumanizing stereotypes that blacks are associated with. You think it would be easy to be looked at in stores, but you would crack after your 1000th negative interaction. You would definitely not cope well with being black in an academic or higher income setting where everyone is extremely rude and condescending to you because they don’t think you deserve to be there.

针对亚裔的仇恨犯罪率如此之高是最近才出现的现象。说实话,我很愿意和亚洲人交换位置,因为他们通常出生在强调成功的家庭(我是非洲人,所以我的成长方式与其他黑人相似,但收入水平不同,因为我的家庭是中产阶级),也有钱送他们去精英大学,这一直是我的一个梦想。我大学里的亚洲人(其中有很多)的生活明显比像我这样的学生轻松,他们把所有的空闲时间都花在学术上,因为他们的父母往往为他们的教育支付费用。我说这些话也不是有什么恶意。我只是觉得,考虑到我在学术上一直处于前5%的水平,但由于我的家庭负担不起而无法进入某些大学,我其实本来能取得更大的成功。
而且除非你住在像纽约这样的鬼地方,否则作为一个亚洲人被殴打和抢劫的问题并不常见。他们也有明显更好的声誉,不必担心被视为是无才能的人,也不会被视为与犯罪有关,或种种与黑人关联起来的无数大多是负面或非人性的刻板印象。你认为在商店里被人多盯几眼很容易忍受,但在第1000次这样负面的互动之后你就会崩溃。在学术界或收入较高的环境中,你肯定无法很好地应对自己黑人的身份,在那里,每个人都对你非常粗鲁,居高临下,因为他们认为你不配在那里。

RovingMarsRobot
The fact your first sentence is false is a preview for the validity of everything else you said.
“Asian hate crimes at this rate is a very recent phenomenon”
Yeah, because the media only cared about Asian hate crimes recently, since they exploited our struggle to bash Donald trump and “white supremacists”. We’ve always been targeted for attacks, for decades, and let me tell you, it’s not “white supremacists” that are killing and victimizing Asians on a daily basis. It’s black people that are committing these crimes, but the media just never reported it.
In fact, a CNN director even admitted that he wanted to cover Asian hate crimes, but didn’t because he didn’t want to hamper the BLM movement.
Also you mention the difficulty in academia, that’s on the black community honestly, you can’t be pro affirmative action, and then blame people for judging black students for taking spots in college they didn’t deserve. Reverse racism is still racism. If there wasn’t affirmative action, then no one would think you didn’t earn your spot in college.

你的第一句话就是假的,这是对你说的其他一切的有效性的预设条件。
"针对亚裔的仇恨犯罪率如此之高是最近才出现的现象。"
是的,因为媒体最近才关心亚裔仇恨犯罪,因为他们利用我们的斗争来抨击唐纳德-特朗普和"白人至上主义者"。几十年来,我们一直是被攻击的目标,让我告诉你,不是"白人至上主义者"每天都在杀害和伤害亚洲人。是黑人在犯下这些罪行,但媒体只是从未报道。
事实上,CNN的一位负责人甚至承认,他本想报道亚裔仇恨犯罪,但没有成行,因为他不想妨碍BLM运动。
另外,你提到在学术界遇到的困难,说实话,那是黑人社区的责任,你不能一边支持平权行动,又指责人们评判黑人学生在大学里占据了他们不应该拥有的位置。逆向种族主义仍然是种族主义。如果没有平权行动,那么就不会有人认为你在大学里得到了你不应得到的位置。
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healthobsession
Uh no it isn’t “because the media only cares about Asian hate crimes recently” it’s because of people associating COVID with Asians. That’s a fact that can be looked up. Also, I went to undergrad in Michigan where affirmative action is banned, so save the predictable spiel, I don’t feel bad for you if you can’t get into a challenging university especially since you’re born into a much better living situation than most of us 90% of the time. I never said I was pro - affirmative action. You just assumed that because I’m black.

不,这不是"因为媒体最近才关心亚裔仇恨犯罪",而是因为人们将COVID与亚洲人联系在一起。这是一个可以查到的事实。另外,我是在密歇根州上的本科,那里禁止平权行动,所以省去了可预见的口水,如果你不能进入一所具有挑战性的大学,我不会为你感到难过,尤其是你出生在一个比我们大多数人90%的时间都要好得多的生活环境。我从来没有说过我是支持平权行动的。你只是因为我是黑人就做出如此假设。

Yugitonii
Gave the guy my two cent.
Asia is not racists. Having born and lived there, I didn't notice any discrimination at least at the level you see here in the US. But hey, even if its true. We didn't enslave blacks, bomb everyone else who isn't white and didn't colonized and destroy an entire culture. Take a look at what happened to the Native American or the bikini island aborigines.

对于图片中的那个家伙,我想说:
亚洲人不是种族主义者。在那里出生和生活,我没有注意到任何歧视,至少没有在美国这里看到的水平。但是,即使他说的是真的。我们也没有奴役黑人,没有轰炸其他非白人的人,也没有殖民化和摧毁整个群体的文化。看看发生在美国原住民或比基尼岛原住民身上的事情吧。

devsteel
Anything less than royal treatment is considered "extremely racist" to white people in Asia.
A normal minority experience is considered "extremely racist". Keep in mind this is on top of all the white privilege they enjoy in Asia.
They be like: omg they are speaking in a different language! I'm scared. omg they didn't smile at me! How dare they!

对亚洲的白人来说,任何低于皇家的待遇都被认为是"极端种族主义的"。
正常的少数族裔经历被认为是“极端种族主义”。记住,正是因为他们在亚洲享受着众多白人特权才会让他们这么想。
他们表现得像是:"天哪,他们说的是不同的语言!我好害怕。天哪,他们没有对我笑。他们怎么敢!

quantifxx
Arm yourselves with facts and demand they come to the table with real examples of their claims. Have it listed in your notes ready to be pull out.
I got into a Twitter exchange with some FBA dummy claiming Asians are more racist than blacks.
I gave them 6 examples of Black on Asian violence within the past year.
They ran out of examples after 4 tweets and stopped responding. I kept going with a full on thread to drive my points home.
What’s great about Twitter these days is unlike Reddit where it’s a liberal echo chamber, those who pull shit out their ass about Asians being racist are no longer protected by censorship.

用事实武装自己,要求他们用真实的例子来证明自己的主张。把它列在你的笔记里,随时准备拿出来。
我在推特上和一些FBA的蠢货交流过,他们声称亚洲人比黑人更种族歧视。
我给了他们6个过去一年中黑人对亚裔暴力的例子。
他们在回了4条推特后就没例子了,不再回应。而我的例子还没用完。
如今推特做得好的一点是,不像Reddit那样是一个自由主义的回声室,那些把亚洲人当作种族主义者的人不再受到审查制度的保护。

tradder_bag
He didn't become Mr. Charisma so he feels like everyone is being racist to him. Some girl probably told him "sorry I don't date foreigners" and he got butt hurt.

他没有人见人爱,于是他觉得所有人都对他有种族歧视。一些女孩可能告诉他"对不起,我不和外国人约会",然后他就好像受到了极其严重的伤害。
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Particular_Still_719
last time i checked, racist asians don't randomly kill or hurt people. im more scared of racist whites and blacks than racist asians. true that racist asians will be rude or give attitude, but they don't beat people up, mug them, or murder them. plain and simple, our world is garbage. some garbage is WORST THAN OTHERS.

上一次我核实时,种族主义的亚洲人不会随意杀人或伤害人。我更害怕种族主义的白人和黑人,而不是种族主义的亚洲人。确实,种族主义的亚洲人会很粗鲁或给你脸色,但他们不打人,抢劫他们,或谋杀他们。

Agile_Toe2004
I'm legitimately baffled by comments such at this. I can confirm, as a Asian-American, I've faced way more racism from other Americans, even Korean-Americans, than Koreans in Korea, who are some of the most welcoming people I've ever met.

我对这样的评论感到很困惑。我可以确认,作为一个亚裔美国人,我所面临的来自其他美国人,甚至是韩裔美国人的种族主义比韩国人更多,而韩国人是我见过的最热情的人。

Mammoth_Cut5134
Its simple. White americans don't think europeans are racist because they're also white and also vice versa. They only have to learn a few basic phrases and they will be treated well.

这很简单。美国白人不认为欧洲人是种族主义者,因为他们也是白人,反之亦然。他们只需要学习一些基本的短语,就会得到很好的对待。

Replayability_
1st gen Asians are pretty racist tbh at least in my experience as a hapa, feel like y’all are in denial to save face, but my Grandparents are pretty bluntly racist towards my Aunts black husband etc.

第一代亚洲人是相当种族主义的,至少在我作为一个亚欧混血的经验中是这样,感觉你们都在否认这点来挽回面子,但我的祖父母对我的黑人丈夫等表现出相当直率的种族主义。

majesticviceroy
Why am I never surprised when a Hapa attacks Asians willy nilly? They think they have an in and prance around for their White/X halves.
You ain't in the group sunshine and stop using your Asian half to curry favour with your White relatives.

为什么当一个亚欧混血随意攻击亚洲人时,我从不感到惊讶?他们认为他们有机会融入,并为他们的白种人/X种人血统骄傲。
你不在这个群体中,不要再利用你的一半亚洲血统来讨好你的白人亲属了。
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wiseau7
Nobody's saying that the proposition "Asians are racist" is false (=nobody is in denial). People are saying that the proposition "Asians are the biggest racists" is false. Stop trying to warp this.

没有人说“亚洲人是种族主义者”的主张是错误的(=没有人在否认)。人们说,“亚洲人是最大的种族主义者”的主张是错误的。不要试图扭曲观点了。

8-Red-8
Idk, but self-hating “Asians” like yourself have a habit of generalizing all Asians based on your own “experiences”, if that counts as an example of “Asians are most racist”.

我搞不懂,但像你这样自我憎恨的"亚洲人"有一个习惯,就是根据自己的"经验"来概括所有的亚洲人,好像这也能算作"亚洲人最种族主义"的一个例子。

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