网友讨论:美国制造业回来了……造武器
2023-02-11 遐怪 13708
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Joe Biden’s announcement of tank supplies to Ukraine came with boasts about boosting American jobs

乔·拜登在宣布向乌克兰提供坦克的同时,还吹嘘自己能增加美国的就业机会。

Amid soaring inflation and other economic woes, the administration of US President Joe Biden has been obsessed with emphasizing any shred of positivity they can find. That’s especially true with that typically American buzzword: jobs.
Last Thursday, the president tweeted a graph showing the the latest four-week average number of joblessness claims vs what it was when he took office. Apparently the number has shrunk more than four-fold. The previous day, Biden quote-tweeted a post by Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, showing job creation for blue collar workers is supposedly attributable to his clean-energy agenda, that “climate action” equals “jobs.”

在通胀飙升和其他经济困境中,美国总统乔·拜登领导的政府一直执着于强调他们能找到的任何一丝积极因素。对于一个典型的美国流行语来说尤其如此:就业。
上周四,总统在推特上发布了一张图表,显示了最近四周的平均失业申请人数与他上任时的情况。显然,这个数字已经减少了四倍多。前一天,拜登在推特上引用了能源部长詹妮弗·格兰霍姆的一篇帖子,称他的清洁能源议程为蓝领工人创造了就业机会,“气候行动”等于“就业机会”。

These two examples are fairly innocuous, but then on that same day as the latter tweet, another series of posts followed. One of them said simply, “American manufacturing is back.” Another was official confirmation of news that the US is now sending 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, which he described as “evidence of our enduring and unflagging commitment to Ukraine and our confidence in the skill of Ukrainian forces.”
The latter was important because it represents a major escalation of US involvement in the conflict in the Eastern European country. Only a handful of countries have been graced with this weapons system, and the US is sending an entire battalion's worth of them to Ukraine. It's an indication that there are potentially no limits to what Washington is willing to give Kiev.

这两个例子是相当无伤大雅的,但在发布后一条推文的同一天,另一系列推文紧随其后。其中一条仅仅说:“美国制造业回来了。”另一条是官方确认的消息,美国现在正在向乌克兰输送31辆“艾布拉姆斯”坦克,称这“证明了我们对乌克兰持久而坚定的承诺,以及我们对乌克兰军队技能的信心。”
后者之所以重要,是因为它代表着美国对这个东欧国家冲突的介入大幅升级。只有少数几个国家拥有这种武器系统,而美国正在向乌克兰输送整个营的武器。这表明,华盛顿愿意向基辅提供的援助可能没有限制。

It leads naturally to questions of whether high-end American warplanes or surface-to-surface missiles will end up in Ukraine. It also leaves us to ponder what these systems would be used for. For example, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he would defend Russian territory, including Crimea, “by any means necessary”. Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials have vowed to retake the peninsula.
So Biden’s tank announcement – which follows a string of others by Western capitals – shows the potential for a war that could span well outside of Eastern Europe and go global. It could even mean outright nuclear annihilation. That is a truly terrifying prospect, especially for those of us in close proximity to the action right now.

这自然会引发美国高端战机或地对地导弹最终是否会出现在乌克兰的问题。这也让我们思考这些系统的用途。例如,俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京曾表示,他将“采取一切必要手段”捍卫包括克里米亚在内的俄罗斯领土。与此同时,乌克兰官员誓言要夺回克里米亚半岛。
因此,拜登宣布的坦克计划——在此之前西方国家也宣布了一系列坦克计划——显示了一场战争的可能性,这场战争可能远远超出东欧,走向全球。它甚至可能意味着彻底的核毁灭。这是一个真正可怕的前景,尤其是对我们这些目前正在密切关注这场行动的人来说。

It doesn’t seem like Biden is all that afraid, given his tweet that “American manufacturing is back.” Not only are Abrams tanks manufactured in the US in Lima, Ohio, but they’re also made by unx workers. Check, check for the Biden’s administration’s made-in-America and unx-made priorities.
To note, we have seen a similar line before from some other prominent folk. For one, Jack Matlock Jr., the former US ambassador to the Soviet unx, once told Putin to his face that the Washington-installed missile defense system in Romania – on Russia’s doorstep – was not designed to attack, but to create American jobs. Putin laughed and replied, “Why would you “create jobs” in an industry that has the potential to put the entire human race in danger?”

拜登似乎并不那么害怕,因为他在推特上说“美国制造业回来了”。艾布拉姆斯坦克不仅在美国俄亥俄州的利马生产,而且还由工会工人生产。看看拜登政府的“美国制造”和“工会制造”优先事项。
值得注意的是,我们以前也从其他一些杰出人士那里看到过类似的说法。例如,前美国驻苏联大使小杰克·马特洛克曾当面告诉普京,华盛顿在俄罗斯家门口罗马尼亚安装的导弹防御系统不是为了攻击,而是为了给美国创造就业机会。普京笑着回答说:“你为什么要在一个有可能把整个人类置于危险之中的行业里‘创造就业机会’?”

Just days ago, speaking to the National Association of State Chambers (NASC) in Boca Raton, Florida, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said that there are “big business” opportunities in his country for any American company interested in working there. That also naturally includes the defense industry, which Zelensky was sure to give a special shoutout to.
Perhaps I am misreading Biden’s tweet and it was actually tied to the clean energy business. But the fact that a new Green New Deal hasn’t been established and the only major climate legislation undertaken during his presidency is just now being implemented, raises doubts about this position. If he was referring to something else, I think it is evidence is clear that most manufacturing is certainly not in the United States and nor will it return to the country.

就在几天前,乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽伦斯基在佛罗里达州博卡拉顿对全国州议会协会发表讲话时表示,对任何有兴趣在乌克兰工作的美国公司来说,乌克兰都有“巨大的商业”机会。这自然也包括国防工业,泽伦斯基肯定会特别为其欢呼。
也许我误解了拜登的推文,它实际上与清洁能源业务有关。但事实上,新的“绿色新政”尚未建立,而在他担任总统期间实施的唯一一项重大气候立法刚刚开始实施,这让人们对他的立场产生了怀疑。如果他指的是其他东西,我认为有证据清楚地表明,大多数制造业肯定不在美国,也不会回到美国。
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The US – or at least its politicians – don’t have the general political will for initiatives in economic spheres outside the so-called defense industry. And that is what’s so ironic about Biden’s tweet, that he’s cheering about how good the latest jobs report is or how a tank factory in Ohio might hire more unx workers despite inching the world closer to nuclear armageddon.
I am reminded of another American nation, Cuba, that counts medical services among its greatest exports and routinely receives Nobel Peace Prize nominations for its heroism. Now-deceased leader Fidel Castro once said that Havana would send “doctors” and “not bombs” around the world. That is quite a foil for Washington, which is content with producing nothing but bombs while anything of practical use is made literally anywhere else.

美国——或者至少是美国的政客们——在所谓的国防工业之外的经济领域,没有普遍的政治意愿。这就是拜登推特的讽刺之处,他为最新的就业报告多么好而欢呼,或者为俄亥俄州的坦克工厂可能会雇佣更多工会工人而欢呼,尽管世界正一步步走向核末日。
我想起了另一个美洲国家古巴,它把医疗服务列为最大的出口产品之一,并经常因其英勇行为而获得诺贝尔和平奖提名。已故领导人菲德尔·卡斯特罗曾表示,哈瓦那将向世界各地派遣“医生”,而不是“炸弹”。这对华盛顿来说是一个相当好的反衬,美国满足于只生产炸弹,而实际上任何实际用途的东西都是在其他地方制造的。

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Sub Atomic Particle
Debt and Death are the only two things left America has to offer the World.

债务和死亡是美国留给世界的仅有的两样东西。

RLama
Sub Atomic Particle, All countries in the world SHOULD STOP SELLING anything they have to the US/UK. This would be a REVERSE SANCTION against all they have done to enslave humanity.

世界上所有国家都应该停止向美国和英国出售任何东西。这将是针对他们奴役人类的所作所为的反制裁。

GhostofDixon
The US government is so f-cked up and corrupt to the core.

美国政府太操蛋了,腐败到极点。
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Allan Quatermain
Eisenhower warned us about this and we did nothing. Kennedy tried and was killed.

艾森豪威尔警告过我们,但我们什么也没做。肯尼迪尝试了,结果被杀了。

Max 777
Isn't that like saying, People have to die so that Americans have a Job ???

这难道不是在说,为了让美国人有一份工作,就必须有人死吗??

James Rowlands
Max 777, Yes. That's precisely what they're saying.

是的。他们正是这么说的。
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theereluctant
Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, was the most decorated Marine in US history. In 1935 he let the cat out of the bag: “I spent 33 years in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." And again, "War is a racket. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

史沫特莱·巴特勒少将是美国海军陆战队历史上授勋最多的海军陆战队员。1935年,他泄露了秘密:“我在军中服役33年,在此期间,我大部分时间都是大企业、华尔街和银行家的高级肌肉男。简而言之,我是一个骗子,一个资本主义的流氓。”还有,“战争是一场骗局。它可能是最古老的、最有利可图的,当然也是最邪恶的骗局。它是唯一一种国际性的骗局。是唯一一个利润以美元计算,损失以生命计算的市场。只有一个‘内部’的小团体知道它是关于什么的。它是为了极少数人的利益,以大多数人的利益为代价。少数人通过战争赚了大钱。"

Adonis Cirillo
The US Is Heavily Reliant On China And Russia For Its Ammo Supply Chain - DefenseNews 8 Jun, 2022
The United States has relied almost entirely on China, and to a lesser extent Russia, in recent years to procure a critical mineral that is vital to producing ammunition.
The mineral antimony is critical to the defense-industrial supply chain and is needed to produce everything from armor-piercing bullets and explosives to nuclear weapons as well as sundry other military equipment, such as night vision goggles.

2022年6月8日国防新闻——美国严重依赖中国和俄罗斯的弹药供应链:
近年来,美国几乎完全依赖中国,在较小程度上也依赖俄罗斯,来采购一种对生产弹药至关重要的关键矿物。
矿物锑对国防工业供应链至关重要,从穿甲弹和炸药到核武器,以及夜视镜等各种其他军事装备,都需要用到它。

Chris Drencrom
War is such a clean energy policy...all the cross dressing Nazis agree on this

战争是一种如此好的清洁能源政策……所有易装癖纳粹都同意这一点。

Rebels65
Col Douglas McGregor said that the M1's being sent will be brand new made especially for Ukraine. Why new when they have so many in storage? Well the defense department doesn't want to take a chance of an M1a2, with all it's high tech top secret armor falling into Russian hands or being sold on the black market. SO all the tanks being sent to Ukraine will have the original armor from the 70's and much less of the high tech equipment. So it's a new tank built to 70's specifications. Anyone that thinks this tank with a poorly trained crew will last long on the battlefield is delusional.

道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校表示,输送的M1坦克将是专门为乌克兰制造的全新坦克。仓库里有这么多,为什么还要新生产?国防部不想冒M1A2坦克所有的高科技绝密装甲都落入俄罗斯人之手或在黑市上出售的风险。因此,所有被送往乌克兰的坦克都用70年代原先的装甲,而高科技装备则少得多。所以这是一款按照70年代规格建造的新坦克。任何认为这种坦克配上训练不足的车组能在战场上坚持很久的都是痴心妄想。

ReaganArmyVet
Rebels65, Less than a minute!

一分钟都坚持不了!

Bonanzaman
US economy has always been based on war and rumors of war

美国经济一直建立在战争和战争谣言的基础上

Boomer345
Bonanzaman, Ndont forget slavery coal mines and indentured servitude. It is literally named leviathan from John Locke's book. The founders all read it. What do you think?

别忘了奴隶制、煤矿和契约劳役。其书面名称是利维坦,出自约翰·洛克的书。这些创始人都读了。你怎么看?

Max 777
So what's the difference between Terrorist that kill for Fun and American Military that kill for Profits ?
Somehow we have been brainwashed into thinking one is bad and the other is okay

那么,为乐趣而杀人的恐怖分子和为利益而杀人的美国军队之间有什么区别呢?
不知何故,我们被洗脑了,认为一个是坏的,另一个是好的。

Shamus McDonald
Of course, they got rid of their old stock to use Ukrainians as cannon fodder...

当然,他们处理掉了旧库存,把乌克兰人当炮灰……

Pamela Storer
American manufacturing is back??? Are you kidding??? There is NO manufacturing worth the name in America, they exported it all so the oligarchs and corporations could make more money running sweatshop labour at a penny the day and no bathroom breaks. It will take more than years, more than billions of dollars to get manufacturing in America, It will take a complete change of the ruling Paradigm, away from "we are the exceptional people, and we lead the world in finance finagling and invading and theft for our wealth"' to one of '"we a nation equal among all others and we need to make things for our income and our existence"' And god alone knows where or when you are going to dig that out of your cellars.

美国制造业回来了??你在开玩笑吗??美国没有名副其实的制造业,它们全部输出了。因此,寡头和企业可以通过经营日薪一便士没有上厕所休息时间的血汗工厂来赚更多的钱。将制造业转移到美国需要花费数年时间、超过数十亿美元,这将彻底改变统治范式,从“我们是出类拔萃的人,我们在金融欺诈、入侵和盗窃方面引领世界”,到“我们是一个与其他国家平等的国家,我们需要为我们的收入和生存制造东西”。只有上帝知道你何时何地才能完成这一切。

TBTB
The US is using this conflict to demilitarize NATO and rearm it using American weapons. This will allow American arms manufacturers to make trillions and make NATO countries dependent on American weapons and parts.

美国正在利用这场冲突使北约非军事化,并使用美国武器重新武装它。这将使美国武器制造商获得数万亿美元的利润,并使北约国家依赖美国的武器和零部件。

Henry Redbird
This is the Biggest reason the West wants War. $Money!

这是西方想要战争的最大原因。赚钱!

Tim D
To line the pockets of congress..say no more on that subject!

为了中饱国会的腰包……不要再谈那个话题了!

Krzysztof Borkowski
That how USA got so rich during and after WWII.

这就是美国在二战期间和战后变得如此富有的原因。

Andrey Vershinin
Krzysztof Borkowski, It's good money blowing up civilians.

炸死平民是很赚钱的。

Doubleboosted
Hitler also created many jobs after the great depression started

大萧条开始后,希特勒还创造了许多就业机会

Captain Nemo
So US will produce tanks and send them to Ukraine. Ukraine cannot pay for them, so US will simply have to increase its debt by 180 mln or so.
Russia will simply burn these tanks within a week or two after they get to the fronline.
Can anyone remind me - does it make any sense?

所以美国会生产坦克,然后把它们送到乌克兰。乌克兰无法支付这些费用,所以美国将不得不增加18亿美元左右的债务。
俄罗斯将在它们到达前线后的一两个星期内摧毁这些坦克。
谁能提醒我一下,这有意义吗?

antiparasites
more people will start growing chickens in their backyard and vegitables in their frontyard by the day. let's grow, make, share, barter, repair, recycle, conserve, simplify and most of all reduce our consumption of corporate poison and junk!!!

越来越多的人将开始在他们的后院养鸡,在他们的前院种植蔬菜。让我们种植、制造、分享、以物易物、修补、回收、保护、精简,最重要的是减少我们对公司有毒物质和垃圾的消耗!!

Imagine!
antiparasites, Time to go back to bartering. That way we don't have to pay tax!

是时候回到以物易物的时代了。那样我们就不用交税了!

Josef Liebel
All my life I thought US was my hero. I almost volunteered to go to Vietnam until a returned volunteer told me to make one right decision in my life and back off. Now with this going on, I noticed my hero is a warmongering crazed imbecile. What a embarrassment USA has become

我曾一直认为美国是我的英雄。我差点志愿去越南,直到一位回来的志愿者告诉我,让我做了人生中一个正确的决定,放弃前往。随着这一切的发生,我发现我的英雄是个好战的疯子。美国变得多么尴尬啊!

td603
Boom..Boom - the constant beating of US war drums for profit. Initiate a global BAN on the $US.

砰…砰——美国为了利益不断敲战鼓。应该启动对美元的全球禁令。

inhawaiicrying
their (us-eu-us-5eyes) time is already over. no matter how many weapons your gang manufacture the multipolar world is here. there is no going back to your era.

它们(美国-欧盟-5眼)的时代已经结束。不管你们制造了多少武器,多极世界已经到来。你们的时代再也回不去了。

jakobbourne
With a fake president that's completely void of any mental cognitive ability it's up to the deep state communists in congress to make these decisions, but as it looks this system of government and it's tyrannical ways of governance is being exposed and may not last long with any hope at all.

有了一个完全没有任何心理认知能力的假总统,这些决定就取决于国会中的深层政府共产主义势力,但就目前来看,这个政府体系及其暴政的治理方式正在暴露出来,也许坚持不了多久了。

Warmongers & Medias= Criminal Enterprise
i told you, a european world war is good for jobs here in america and britain...... we can keep selling war machines to europe while europeans give us money and take our loans offer....... after european destruction, we can rebuild europe, and their people will pay back the loans and reconstruction costs for another 50yrs - 70yrs, and make america rich again for another baby boomer quality of life.

我告诉过你,欧洲的世界大战有利于美国和英国的就业……我们可以继续向欧洲出售战争机器,而欧洲人给我们钱,接受我们的贷款。在欧洲毁灭之后,我们可以重建欧洲,他们的人民将在未来50-70年偿还贷款和重建费用,让美国再次富裕起来,享受婴儿潮一代的高质量生活。

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neeckoo
Actually nothing is working well in America, except the Military Complex and The Chemical and Pharmaceutical Multinational corporations ! Everything else is just minimal !

实际上,在美国,除了军工综合体和化学制药跨国公司,没有什么是正常运作的!其他的一切都规模极小!

Hansen Steyben
neeckoo, It doesn't matter if they are making garbage, they still get PAID and the salesmen, lobbyists, politicians still get paid for stuff that is going to get blown up anyway. But image if that money was put into assets that would move the country FORWARD - no, the Repubs would never go for that!

他们是否制造垃圾并不重要,他们仍然获得了报酬,销售人员、游说者、政客仍然从那些无论如何都会被炸毁的东西中获得报酬。但想象一下,如果这些钱被投入到推动国家前进的资产中——不,共和党绝不会这么做!

John Brown
neeckoo, You think the America Military Complex is working well?????? The F-35 is garbage, they can't get the magnetic catapults to work on their aircraft carriers, which China has already perfected, a whole new class of very expensive destroyers are lemons etc., they can't make hypersonic missiles which even Iran and North Korea now have, and the list goes on and on.

你认为美国军事综合体运作良好??????F-35就是垃圾,他们无法让电磁弹射器在航母上工作,而中国已经完善了,一款全新的非常昂贵的驱逐舰成了鸡肋等……他们不能制造高超音速导弹,就连伊朗和朝鲜现在都有,这样的例子不胜枚举。

merinomind
neeckoo, Highly inefficient and corrupt but making the 1% richer classifies as working well in America?

在美国,效率低下而腐败,但让1%的人更富有就被认为是运作良好?

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Ultraw Magnumaga
The US won’t be back in our lifetimes!

在我们有生之年,美国不会回来了!

historian252
americans
ALWAYS PRAISING OTHER PEOPLES DEATHS...
what do you expect from a country that praises the military, is highly over competitive in everything they do,winning at ALL COSTS no matter the consequences..cheating at nearly EVERYTHING THEY DO...sports, banking, war, diplomacy, agreements, degeneracy shcooling... nearly EVERYONE IS CORRUPT.
a true CESSPOOL worse with every generation

美国人
总是赞美别人的死…
你对一个赞扬军队、在他们所做的任何事情上都过度竞争、不计后果地赢得胜利、几乎所作所为都作弊(体育领域,银行业,战争,外交,协议,堕落的教育)…几乎人人都是腐败的国家,能有什么期待?
一个真正的粪坑,一代比一代糟糕

MichaelGeorgeHartley
We are no longer a manufacturing nation here in America. Only things we export any more are kidnap/torture prisons, assassinations, coups, bio-weapons labs, bio-weapons viruses, big brother surveillance electronics & social media platforms, mass murder, global resource and asset theft, weapons designed to kill human beings faster and more efficiently, and good old fashioned propaganda... we don't even print much cash any more... as we own the banks and just add a zero here and there with a click of a mouse to make our trillions.

我们美国不再是一个制造业国家。
我们现在出口的只有绑架/酷刑监狱、暗杀、政变、生物武器实验室、生物武器病毒、老大哥监视电子设备和社交媒体平台、大规模谋杀、对全球资源和资产盗窃、旨在更快更有效地杀死人类的武器,以及老式的宣传……我们甚至不再印太多现金了……就像我们拥有银行一样,只要在这里和那里加上一个零,点击一下鼠标,就能赚到数万亿美元。

cold Water
MichaelGeorgeHartley, Are you using a Mac book to write that? Lol.

你是用Mac笔记本写的吗?哈哈

Bashar Bodhisattva
Does this entire timeline of the past decade up to now remind anyone else of the runup to WWII? The Syrian war (called the Syrian civil war, but actually an actual unprovoked war of aggression of state-sponsored terrorism waged by the U.S.-led Western bloc against Syria) was the Spanish Civil War equivalent. The global coronavirus pandemic and resulting economic disruption, inflation, shipping and supply chain turmoil was the Great Depression equivalent. And this current Ukraine conflict is the eruption of WWII in Europe, even though the beginning of it started at least as early as late 2013 (Euromaidan civil unrest). Wars are often used as a creative chaos maneuver to try to climb out of mounting economic problems and stagnation. The biggest difference is that this won't end the same way because it's a post-WWII, post-atomic age world and Russia has nuclear weapons, so the U.S. can't just do whatever it wants.

到现在为止,过去十年的整个时间线是否让其他人想起了二战前的情况?叙利亚战争(被称为叙利亚内战,但实际上是由美国领导的西方集团对叙利亚发动的国家支持的恐怖主义侵略战争)相当于当年的西班牙内战。全球冠状病毒大流行及其导致的经济混乱、通货膨胀、航运和供应链动荡相当于大萧条。当前的乌克兰冲突类似于当年二战在欧洲的爆发,尽管它至少早在2013年底就开始了(亲欧派内乱)。战争经常被用作一种创造性的混乱策略,试图摆脱日益严重的经济问题和发展停滞。最大的不同是,这不会以同样的方式结束,因为这是一个后二战、后原子时代的世界,俄罗斯拥有核武器,所以美国不能为所欲为。

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Donald W.
Actually, the plan was to modernized NATO/Allies military for the coming WAR with CHINA.

实际上,这个计划是为了使北约/盟国的军事现代化,以应对即将到来的与中国的战争。

lovcenvolisrbiju
USA has only one main battle tank design, compromising it by sending them off to Ukraine is a very risky move based on sheer desperation (if they ever enter the battlefield).

美国只有一种主战坦克设计,把它们派到乌克兰是一个非常冒险的举动,这完全是出于绝望(如果它们进入战场)。

VargusMcFargus
I've been saying it all along. War is big, big business in the USA. They won't pass up an opportunity to cash in for as long as possible.

我一直都这么说。在美国,战争是一个大买卖。他们不会放弃任何一个尽可能长的变现机会。

N.O.T.A.None_Of_ The_Above
The Empire of Lies has no morals whatsoever. If they can make a quick buck eliminating life on earth, they will go for it...

谎言帝国毫无道德可言。如果消灭地球上的生命能赚到一笔快钱,他们就会去做……

Mortimer
These are just moving targets on the steppes of Ukraine. The west has not learned from the battle of Kursk in WW2, looks like they need a refresher lesson.

这些(坦克)就是乌克兰大草原上的移动靶子。西方还没有从二战的库尔斯克战役中吸取教训,看起来他们需要复习一下了。

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