网友讨论：中国发展航母杀手无人机群
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2021年11月26日
China Develops air carrier killer Drone Swarm
中国发展航母杀手无人机群
中国发展航母杀手无人机群
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2021年11月26日
After Swarm Drones, China Now Develops ‘Mini Aircraft Carrier’ To Train PLA Navy To Counter Drone Menace.
After showcasing swarm drone technology, China has now developed a naval platform to train its forces to defend against drone swarm threats. Drone swarm is a concept of deploying a cluster of small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in hostile airspace.
The idea is to confuse the enemy radar, thus enabling the drones to successfully conduct their assigned reconnaissance or other tactical support missions.
The China Academy of Electronics and Information Technology which is a subsidiary of the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation carried out a massive drone swarm experiment in June 2017, involving nearly 120 UAVs. Later, it demonstrated its prowess with nearly 200 fixed-wing drones.
It is pertinent to mention that warships are particularly vulnerable to drone swarm attacks. In 2019, a number of US Navy destroyers had been swarmed by drones over a period of many nights, Popular Mechanics previously reported. Even by April this year, the US Navy was unable to identify these drones or their operators.
On their own, drone swarms are known for their inherent ability to confuse and overwhelm an adversary’s defenses. This makes it very difficult for the opponent to prioritize threats and allocate its own resources in an effective manner.
继蜂群无人机之后，中国现在开发“迷你航母”来训练海军对抗无人机的威胁
在展示了无人机群技术后，中国现在开发了一个海军平台，以训练其部队抵御无人机“蜂群”的威胁。无人机群是一种在敌对空域部署小型无人机集群的概念。
其目的是迷惑敌方雷达，从而使无人机能够成功地执行指定的侦察或其他战术支援任务。
2017年6月，国有的中国电子科技集团公司下属的中国电子信息技术研究院进行了一次大规模的无人机蜂群实验，涉及近120架无人机。后来，它用近200架固定翼无人机展示了自己的实力。
值得一提的是，军舰特别容易受到无人机群攻击。据《大众机械》此前报道，2019年，美国海军的多艘驱逐舰连续几个晚上都被无人机包围。即使到今年4月，美国海军也无法识别这些无人机或它们的操作员。
就其本身而言，无人机蜂群以其固有的迷惑和压倒对手防御的能力而闻名。这使得对手很难以有效的方式优先考虑威胁和分配自己的资源。
After showcasing swarm drone technology, China has now developed a naval platform to train its forces to defend against drone swarm threats. Drone swarm is a concept of deploying a cluster of small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in hostile airspace.
The idea is to confuse the enemy radar, thus enabling the drones to successfully conduct their assigned reconnaissance or other tactical support missions.
The China Academy of Electronics and Information Technology which is a subsidiary of the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation carried out a massive drone swarm experiment in June 2017, involving nearly 120 UAVs. Later, it demonstrated its prowess with nearly 200 fixed-wing drones.
It is pertinent to mention that warships are particularly vulnerable to drone swarm attacks. In 2019, a number of US Navy destroyers had been swarmed by drones over a period of many nights, Popular Mechanics previously reported. Even by April this year, the US Navy was unable to identify these drones or their operators.
On their own, drone swarms are known for their inherent ability to confuse and overwhelm an adversary’s defenses. This makes it very difficult for the opponent to prioritize threats and allocate its own resources in an effective manner.
继蜂群无人机之后，中国现在开发“迷你航母”来训练海军对抗无人机的威胁
在展示了无人机群技术后，中国现在开发了一个海军平台，以训练其部队抵御无人机“蜂群”的威胁。无人机群是一种在敌对空域部署小型无人机集群的概念。
其目的是迷惑敌方雷达，从而使无人机能够成功地执行指定的侦察或其他战术支援任务。
2017年6月，国有的中国电子科技集团公司下属的中国电子信息技术研究院进行了一次大规模的无人机蜂群实验，涉及近120架无人机。后来，它用近200架固定翼无人机展示了自己的实力。
值得一提的是，军舰特别容易受到无人机群攻击。据《大众机械》此前报道，2019年，美国海军的多艘驱逐舰连续几个晚上都被无人机包围。即使到今年4月，美国海军也无法识别这些无人机或它们的操作员。
就其本身而言，无人机蜂群以其固有的迷惑和压倒对手防御的能力而闻名。这使得对手很难以有效的方式优先考虑威胁和分配自己的资源。
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@ertugrulcore7475
I thought about this idea back when I was 14 when I first heard every warship has a limited radar target tracking capacity.
当我14岁的时候，我第一次听说每艘军舰的雷达目标跟踪能力都是有限的时候，我就想到了这个想法。
I thought about this idea back when I was 14 when I first heard every warship has a limited radar target tracking capacity.
当我14岁的时候，我第一次听说每艘军舰的雷达目标跟踪能力都是有限的时候，我就想到了这个想法。
@josefranciscodasilvafranci8215
O primeiro objetivo é desenvolver máquinas de guerra para dominar outros povos.
第一个目标是发展战争机器来统治其他民族。
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O primeiro objetivo é desenvolver máquinas de guerra para dominar outros povos.
第一个目标是发展战争机器来统治其他民族。
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@summmmmmable
I figured the Chinese had already developed these kind of drones weapon. This reminds me so much of the Star Craft 2, where the Protos can build air carrier with drones!
我猜中国人已经研发出这种无人机武器了。这让我想起了《星际争霸2》，神族可以建造发射无人机的航空母舰!
I figured the Chinese had already developed these kind of drones weapon. This reminds me so much of the Star Craft 2, where the Protos can build air carrier with drones!
我猜中国人已经研发出这种无人机武器了。这让我想起了《星际争霸2》，神族可以建造发射无人机的航空母舰!
@viktorssonviktorsson5358
Starcraft 1!
《星际争霸1》!
Starcraft 1!
《星际争霸1》!
@piehound
Similar principles (concepts, ideas, methods) apply to individual and personal attacks and defenses. Get control of a person's mind (drones symbolize indoctrination which is a relatively soft attack). Once convinced of the ideas the enemy has planted in the minds of intended victims . . . the physical destruction of the human person is greatly simplified. Heck, the victims may even cooperate in their own destruction. Which is what was desired in the first place. In more polite circles it's called education. It's supposed to help those who are educated live better lives. But so called education can be turned against the people when truth is no longer the guiding principle. Instead it's whatever works quickest. AKA expediency .
类似的原则(概念、想法、方法)也适用于个人攻击和防御。控制一个人的思想(无人机象征着灌输，这是一种相对温和的攻击)。一旦确信了敌人在预定受害者心中植入的想法，再去毁灭人的肉体就太容易了。见鬼，受害者甚至可能会配合他们去毁灭自己。这是我们一开始就想要的结果。在更礼貌的圈子里，这叫做教育。它应该帮助那些受过教育的人过上更好的生活。但是，当真理不再是指导原则时，所谓的教育就会对人们不利。相反，它是最快见效的，也叫权宜之计。
Similar principles (concepts, ideas, methods) apply to individual and personal attacks and defenses. Get control of a person's mind (drones symbolize indoctrination which is a relatively soft attack). Once convinced of the ideas the enemy has planted in the minds of intended victims . . . the physical destruction of the human person is greatly simplified. Heck, the victims may even cooperate in their own destruction. Which is what was desired in the first place. In more polite circles it's called education. It's supposed to help those who are educated live better lives. But so called education can be turned against the people when truth is no longer the guiding principle. Instead it's whatever works quickest. AKA expediency .
类似的原则(概念、想法、方法)也适用于个人攻击和防御。控制一个人的思想(无人机象征着灌输，这是一种相对温和的攻击)。一旦确信了敌人在预定受害者心中植入的想法，再去毁灭人的肉体就太容易了。见鬼，受害者甚至可能会配合他们去毁灭自己。这是我们一开始就想要的结果。在更礼貌的圈子里，这叫做教育。它应该帮助那些受过教育的人过上更好的生活。但是，当真理不再是指导原则时，所谓的教育就会对人们不利。相反，它是最快见效的，也叫权宜之计。
@iwantyourcookiesnow
You’d want to take into account the flying range and deployment and flying speed of these drones, and the control system. The signals could be jammed. It could create a drone vs drone scenario, with ships being guarded by a flock of drones themselves. Defensive lasers that guard specific areas like the radar system would be set up. We knew that drone D-day will come someday.
The deployment drone missile itself is vulnerable. 100 drones could get shot down at once which might be costly.
你需要考虑的是这些无人机的飞行范围、部署和飞行速度，以及控制系统。信号可能会被干扰。它可能会创造出一个无人机对无人机的场景，船只由一群无人机守卫。此外，还将设置防御激光器，用于保护雷达系统等特定区域。我们知道无人机登陆日总有一天会到来。
部署的无人机导弹本身很脆弱。100架无人机可能同时被击落，这代价就可能很高了。
You’d want to take into account the flying range and deployment and flying speed of these drones, and the control system. The signals could be jammed. It could create a drone vs drone scenario, with ships being guarded by a flock of drones themselves. Defensive lasers that guard specific areas like the radar system would be set up. We knew that drone D-day will come someday.
The deployment drone missile itself is vulnerable. 100 drones could get shot down at once which might be costly.
你需要考虑的是这些无人机的飞行范围、部署和飞行速度，以及控制系统。信号可能会被干扰。它可能会创造出一个无人机对无人机的场景，船只由一群无人机守卫。此外，还将设置防御激光器，用于保护雷达系统等特定区域。我们知道无人机登陆日总有一天会到来。
部署的无人机导弹本身很脆弱。100架无人机可能同时被击落，这代价就可能很高了。
@summmmmmable
Ya, but the Chinese is the manufacturing power house atm! I’m sure they can crank a million of those drones with U.... tears in a day!
是的，但是中国人是制造大国!我相信他们能用....的眼泪在一天内制造出一百万架这样的无人机!
Ya, but the Chinese is the manufacturing power house atm! I’m sure they can crank a million of those drones with U.... tears in a day!
是的，但是中国人是制造大国!我相信他们能用....的眼泪在一天内制造出一百万架这样的无人机!
@kcolorado1576
I doubt Chinese military hardware.
我对中国的军事装备表示怀疑。
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I doubt Chinese military hardware.
我对中国的军事装备表示怀疑。
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@summmmmmable
@kcolorado1576 look at Chinese rocket launch records though
看看中国的火箭发射记录
@kcolorado1576 look at Chinese rocket launch records though
看看中国的火箭发射记录
@mitchellbaker4806
Yes but there's a limit to how many drones can be housed on the ship.
是的，但是船上能容纳多少无人机是有限制的。
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Yes but there's a limit to how many drones can be housed on the ship.
是的，但是船上能容纳多少无人机是有限制的。
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@alanrainey5022
A thermobaric missile would destroy a swarms cohesion.
So swarming has limited uses.
温压导弹会破坏蜂群的凝聚力。
所以蜂群的用途有限。
A thermobaric missile would destroy a swarms cohesion.
So swarming has limited uses.
温压导弹会破坏蜂群的凝聚力。
所以蜂群的用途有限。
@hughmungus2760
Swarming is extremely cost effective. Each drone probably costs less than $100,000 while an anti-aircraft missile costs in the millions.
Also no country has large thermobaric warheads for air defense. so it'd require a whole new weapons system to be built from scratch.
“蜂群”是非常划算的。每架无人机的成本可能不到10万美元，而防空导弹的成本则高达数百万美元。
此外，没有国家拥有用于防空的大型温压弹头。所以这需要从头开始建造一个全新的武器系统。
Swarming is extremely cost effective. Each drone probably costs less than $100,000 while an anti-aircraft missile costs in the millions.
Also no country has large thermobaric warheads for air defense. so it'd require a whole new weapons system to be built from scratch.
“蜂群”是非常划算的。每架无人机的成本可能不到10万美元，而防空导弹的成本则高达数百万美元。
此外，没有国家拥有用于防空的大型温压弹头。所以这需要从头开始建造一个全新的武器系统。
@alexdaniel3043
@hughmungus2760 they do have thermobaric explosives for rocket launchers, they can build missiles pretty fast lok
他们确实有用于火箭发射器的温压炸药，他们可以很快制造导弹
@hughmungus2760 they do have thermobaric explosives for rocket launchers, they can build missiles pretty fast lok
他们确实有用于火箭发射器的温压炸药，他们可以很快制造导弹
@AccordGTR
How will you detect and target the swarm for your missile? Your proposal sounds like what the Imperial Japanese Navy installed in their Yamato battleships, an anti-aircraft shell for it's 18-inch guns. Didn't work.
你将为你的导弹如何探测和瞄准蜂群?你的建议听起来就像日本帝国海军在他们的大和级战列舰上安装一个18英寸的防空炮弹，然而这是行不通的。
How will you detect and target the swarm for your missile? Your proposal sounds like what the Imperial Japanese Navy installed in their Yamato battleships, an anti-aircraft shell for it's 18-inch guns. Didn't work.
你将为你的导弹如何探测和瞄准蜂群?你的建议听起来就像日本帝国海军在他们的大和级战列舰上安装一个18英寸的防空炮弹，然而这是行不通的。
@charleyarchuleta4932
Unless they’re delivered with a cbu cruise missile that dispense them relatively close
除非它们用巡航导弹发射集束炸弹，而且能在相对近的地方发射。
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Unless they’re delivered with a cbu cruise missile that dispense them relatively close
除非它们用巡航导弹发射集束炸弹，而且能在相对近的地方发射。
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@ericknavidad7654
Dream on...
继续做梦吧
Dream on...
继续做梦吧
@jrhamilton4448
Correct. Lazer defense grids have pretty much reliability stamped out the drone swarm threat tactic.
没错，激光防御网的可靠性很高，压制了无人机蜂群的威胁战术。
Correct. Lazer defense grids have pretty much reliability stamped out the drone swarm threat tactic.
没错，激光防御网的可靠性很高，压制了无人机蜂群的威胁战术。
@charleyarchuleta4932
@jrhamilton4448 I think swarms will Be eventually unstoppable. These mechanized hornets will be ableTo Communicate and assess weakness. They will Fly low, inches above water and pop up to hit every critical system in the ship, rendering it useless until a larger munition comes and neutralizes the ship.
我认为蜂群最终会势不可挡。
这些机械化大黄蜂将能够交流和评估弱点。它们会飞得很低，在水面上几英寸飞，然后突然出现，打击飞船上的每一个关键系统，使它失去作用，直到一枚更大的弹药来摧毁这艘船。
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@jrhamilton4448 I think swarms will Be eventually unstoppable. These mechanized hornets will be ableTo Communicate and assess weakness. They will Fly low, inches above water and pop up to hit every critical system in the ship, rendering it useless until a larger munition comes and neutralizes the ship.
我认为蜂群最终会势不可挡。
这些机械化大黄蜂将能够交流和评估弱点。它们会飞得很低，在水面上几英寸飞，然后突然出现，打击飞船上的每一个关键系统，使它失去作用，直到一枚更大的弹药来摧毁这艘船。
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@jrhamilton4448
@charleyarchuleta4932 If it's inches above the water it better be pretty calm seas and The Israelis actually devised a really interesting system to deal with drones. They were working with DARPA since back in the 70s in the infancy of arial drones. Most major metro police departments are equipped with technology that can down a drone swarm. Look what happened to the news drones filming footage at the border during that mass crossing and where neutralized. Hundreds of news drones were fried.
如果它在水面以上几英寸的地方飞，那当时的海面最好是相当平静，以色列人实际上设计了一个非常有趣的系统来对付无人机。早在70年代无人机诞生初期，他们就开始与美国国防部高级研究计划局（DARPA）合作。大多数主要的地铁警察部门都配备了可以击落无人机群的技术。看看在那次大规模越境期间，那些新闻记者拍摄画面的无人机发生了什么，它们全被压制了，数百架无人机被炸飞。
@charleyarchuleta4932 If it's inches above the water it better be pretty calm seas and The Israelis actually devised a really interesting system to deal with drones. They were working with DARPA since back in the 70s in the infancy of arial drones. Most major metro police departments are equipped with technology that can down a drone swarm. Look what happened to the news drones filming footage at the border during that mass crossing and where neutralized. Hundreds of news drones were fried.
如果它在水面以上几英寸的地方飞，那当时的海面最好是相当平静，以色列人实际上设计了一个非常有趣的系统来对付无人机。早在70年代无人机诞生初期，他们就开始与美国国防部高级研究计划局（DARPA）合作。大多数主要的地铁警察部门都配备了可以击落无人机群的技术。看看在那次大规模越境期间，那些新闻记者拍摄画面的无人机发生了什么，它们全被压制了，数百架无人机被炸飞。
@charleyarchuleta4932
just a matter of time until these vulnerabilities are negated by refined technologies.
这些漏洞迟早会被改进的技术所消除。
just a matter of time until these vulnerabilities are negated by refined technologies.
这些漏洞迟早会被改进的技术所消除。
@jrhamilton4448
@charleyarchuleta4932 Back in the sixties through the eighties that threat was the dreaded Russian nuclear attack submarine. Ever seen the movie The Hunt For Red October? Everything wonder weapon has an Achilles heel as does every defense mechanism.
回到60年代到80年代，可怕的俄罗斯攻击型核潜艇是威胁。看过电影《猎杀红色十月》吗?任何神奇武器就像任何防御机制一样都有致命弱点。
@charleyarchuleta4932 Back in the sixties through the eighties that threat was the dreaded Russian nuclear attack submarine. Ever seen the movie The Hunt For Red October? Everything wonder weapon has an Achilles heel as does every defense mechanism.
回到60年代到80年代，可怕的俄罗斯攻击型核潜艇是威胁。看过电影《猎杀红色十月》吗?任何神奇武器就像任何防御机制一样都有致命弱点。
@ronaldwilliams1750
If you attach invisible rope to a swarm of invisible drones which is attached to iron man suit than you can basically have flying powers like in those Chinese movies.
如果你把隐形的绳子绑在一群隐形的无人机上，这些无人机被绑在钢铁侠的衣服上，你就可以像中国电影里那样拥有飞行的能力。
If you attach invisible rope to a swarm of invisible drones which is attached to iron man suit than you can basically have flying powers like in those Chinese movies.
如果你把隐形的绳子绑在一群隐形的无人机上，这些无人机被绑在钢铁侠的衣服上，你就可以像中国电影里那样拥有飞行的能力。
@jeffersonhenn1086
I was thinking the same thing. Lol
我也是这么想的，哈哈。
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I was thinking the same thing. Lol
我也是这么想的，哈哈。
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@nlcrypto7324
Drone swarm inbound
Turns on Emp then it's raining drones
无人机蜂群来袭
打开电磁脉冲，就会下无人机雨
Drone swarm inbound
Turns on Emp then it's raining drones
无人机蜂群来袭
打开电磁脉冲，就会下无人机雨
@kughalumulatonu1259
This really interesting. New things about China's Superpower intrigues.
真的很有趣。关于超级大国—中国的新事物引人入胜。
This really interesting. New things about China's Superpower intrigues.
真的很有趣。关于超级大国—中国的新事物引人入胜。
@jonahallen4867
None of these weapons can match the one i invented in my dreams last night , after reading a few comics .
这些武器都比不上我昨晚看了几本漫画后在梦里发明的武器。
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None of these weapons can match the one i invented in my dreams last night , after reading a few comics .
这些武器都比不上我昨晚看了几本漫画后在梦里发明的武器。
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@supernova00500
EMP device made out of a Kodak camera and a few other everyday obxts can knock these birds right out of the sky, just make sure you aren't underneath them where they fall
用柯达相机和其他一些日常用品制成的电磁脉冲设备可以把这些鸟从天上撞下来，只要确保你不在它们掉下来的地方
EMP device made out of a Kodak camera and a few other everyday obxts can knock these birds right out of the sky, just make sure you aren't underneath them where they fall
用柯达相机和其他一些日常用品制成的电磁脉冲设备可以把这些鸟从天上撞下来，只要确保你不在它们掉下来的地方
@gpscrapper7028
I’ve just wondering when is going to be available on Amazon?
我只是想知道什么时候能在亚马逊上买到?
I’ve just wondering when is going to be available on Amazon?
我只是想知道什么时候能在亚马逊上买到?
@joelsmith9311
Somebody should make a CIWS that uses those little 5.7mm armour-piercing rounds or something equivalent.
应该有人制造一种近程防御武器系统（CIWS），用的是5.7毫米的小型穿甲弹或类似的东西。
Somebody should make a CIWS that uses those little 5.7mm armour-piercing rounds or something equivalent.
应该有人制造一种近程防御武器系统（CIWS），用的是5.7毫米的小型穿甲弹或类似的东西。
@glennhalila8279
I shared this with my Dad. I mentioned that there's insect sized drones for swarming ground troops. I always read the comments, because there's wise men who know how to counter threats.
我把这个告诉了爸爸。我提到过有昆虫大小的无人机用来包围地面部队。我经常看评论，因为智者知道如何应对威胁。
I shared this with my Dad. I mentioned that there's insect sized drones for swarming ground troops. I always read the comments, because there's wise men who know how to counter threats.
我把这个告诉了爸爸。我提到过有昆虫大小的无人机用来包围地面部队。我经常看评论，因为智者知道如何应对威胁。
@eddiecorleone5788
If you create 100k+ of these drones, send them in a group of 500-1000 at a time to kill anything with heat sensor and move. That's pretty much over for the enemy defensive line. You can also create ground drones, crawl like spider , add snake drones and dragonfly drones.
如果你制造了10万多架这样的无人机，一次派出500-1000架，杀死任何带有热传感器和移动的目标。敌人的防线基本完蛋了。你也可以创建地面无人机，像蜘蛛一样爬行，增加蛇形无人机和蜻蜓无人机。
If you create 100k+ of these drones, send them in a group of 500-1000 at a time to kill anything with heat sensor and move. That's pretty much over for the enemy defensive line. You can also create ground drones, crawl like spider , add snake drones and dragonfly drones.
如果你制造了10万多架这样的无人机，一次派出500-1000架，杀死任何带有热传感器和移动的目标。敌人的防线基本完蛋了。你也可以创建地面无人机，像蜘蛛一样爬行，增加蛇形无人机和蜻蜓无人机。
@danielsnook7362
Good thing America is developing lasers
好消息是美国正在发展激光
Good thing America is developing lasers
好消息是美国正在发展激光
@markmarky1124
I wouldn't be too worried! The Germans recently fielded a gun that took out a swarm of drones with just a few rounds. I think the munitions was programmed to burst into small fragments near the swarm.
我不会太担心!德国人最近部署了一种火炮，仅用几发子弹就能消灭一群无人机。我认为弹药被设定在蜂群附近，然后爆炸成小碎片。
I wouldn't be too worried! The Germans recently fielded a gun that took out a swarm of drones with just a few rounds. I think the munitions was programmed to burst into small fragments near the swarm.
我不会太担心!德国人最近部署了一种火炮，仅用几发子弹就能消灭一群无人机。我认为弹药被设定在蜂群附近，然后爆炸成小碎片。
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