话题讨论：美海军拟出售6艘几乎全新的濒海战斗舰，网友评论：稀碎！
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Two Independence class and four Freedom class Littoral Combat Ships, the youngest just three-years-old, would be put up for sale.
两艘独立级和四艘自由级濒海战斗舰将被出售，其中最年轻的一艘只有3岁。
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“并不顺利”
Two Independence class and four Freedom class Littoral Combat Ships, the youngest just three-years-old, would be put up for sale.
两艘独立级和四艘自由级濒海战斗舰将被出售，其中最年轻的一艘只有3岁。
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The U.S. Navy plans to make six Littoral Combat Ships (LCSs), two Independence class vessels and four Freedom class vessels, available for sale through its Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program in the next two years. The oldest and youngest of the ships intended to be sold have been in service for just under eight years and just under three years, respectively.
在未来两年内，美国海军计划将6艘濒海战斗舰(LCS)， 2艘独立级和4艘自由级，通过其对外军售(FMS)计划卖掉。这批打算出售的军舰中最老和最年轻的分别服役不到8年和不到3年。
在未来两年内，美国海军计划将6艘濒海战斗舰(LCS)， 2艘独立级和4艘自由级，通过其对外军售(FMS)计划卖掉。这批打算出售的军舰中最老和最年轻的分别服役不到8年和不到3年。
The Navy first publicly raised the possibility of selling off a number of LCSs last year, as the service continues to try to nail down its own plans for what to do with these long-troubled ships.
去年，美国海军首次公开提出了出售一些濒海战斗舰的可能性，因为海军仍在努力确定计划，以处理这些长期麻烦缠身的船只。
去年，美国海军首次公开提出了出售一些濒海战斗舰的可能性，因为海军仍在努力确定计划，以处理这些长期麻烦缠身的船只。
Indication that the Navy plans to sell six of its LCSs were presented in its recent 2024 long-range shipbuilding plan. Formally called the Report to Congress on the Annual Long-Range Plan for Construction of Naval Vessels for the 2024 Fiscal Year, the shipbuilding plan is dated March 2023. The Navy currently has 13 Independence class LCSs in active service, while a further four are either under construction or being fitted out. The service also currently has ten Freedom class vessels in active service, with a further five currently being fitted out or prepared to enter service. So far, two Independence class vessels and one Freedom class vessel have been decommissioned. The newest Freedom class ship, USS Cleveland (LCS 31) was launched just a few days ago at the Fincantieri Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin, an event that didn't go so well
海军计划出售6艘濒海战斗舰的迹象出现在最近的2024年长期造船计划中。该造船计划的正式名称为《提交给国会的2024财年海军舰艇建造年度长期计划报告》，日期为2023年3月。海军目前有13艘现役独立级LCS，而另外4艘正在建造或舾装中。目前，该军种还有10艘“自由”级现役舰艇，另有5艘正在舾装或准备服役。到目前为止，已经有两艘独立级和一艘自由级退役。几天前，最新的“自由”级航母“克利夫兰”号(LCS 31)在威斯康星州的芬坎提尼海洋系统造船厂下水，但进展并不顺利。
海军计划出售6艘濒海战斗舰的迹象出现在最近的2024年长期造船计划中。该造船计划的正式名称为《提交给国会的2024财年海军舰艇建造年度长期计划报告》，日期为2023年3月。海军目前有13艘现役独立级LCS，而另外4艘正在建造或舾装中。目前，该军种还有10艘“自由”级现役舰艇，另有5艘正在舾装或准备服役。到目前为止，已经有两艘独立级和一艘自由级退役。几天前，最新的“自由”级航母“克利夫兰”号(LCS 31)在威斯康星州的芬坎提尼海洋系统造船厂下水，但进展并不顺利。
“并不顺利”
The new shipbuilding plan stipulates that in the 2024 Fiscal Year, the Independence class vessels USS Jackson (LCS 6) and Montgomery (LCS 8) will be made available for sale via the Navy's FMS program. Those ships were commissioned in 2015 and 2016 respectively. Then, in the 2025 Fiscal Year, the Freedom class vessels USS Wichita (LCS 13), Billings (LCS 15), Indianapolis (LCS 17), and St Louis (LCS 19) will similarly be made available for sale via the FMS program. Those vessels were commissioned in 2019 (LCS 13, 15, and 17) and 2020 (LCS 19).
这个新的造船计划规定，在2024财年，“独立”级舰艇“杰克逊”号(LCS 6)和“蒙哥马利”号(LCS 8)将通过海军的FMS计划出售。这两艘船分别于2015年和2016年服役。然后，在2025财年，“自由”级航母威奇托号(LCS 13)、比林斯号(LCS 15)、印第安纳波利斯号(LCS 17)和圣路易斯号(LCS 19)也将通过FMS计划出售。这些船分别于2019年(LCS 13、15和17)和2020年(LCS 19)服役。
这个新的造船计划规定，在2024财年，“独立”级舰艇“杰克逊”号(LCS 6)和“蒙哥马利”号(LCS 8)将通过海军的FMS计划出售。这两艘船分别于2015年和2016年服役。然后，在2025财年，“自由”级航母威奇托号(LCS 13)、比林斯号(LCS 15)、印第安纳波利斯号(LCS 17)和圣路易斯号(LCS 19)也将通过FMS计划出售。这些船分别于2019年(LCS 13、15和17)和2020年(LCS 19)服役。
It’s unclear whether or not the Navy has identified any buyers or potential buyers for these ships already. In the recently released shipbuilding plan, the service notes that “Ships designated for FMS are retained in a hold status for no more than two years in accordance with Navy policy.”
目前尚不清楚海军是否已经确定了这些船只的买家或潜在买家。在最近公布的造船计划中，该军种指出，“根据海军政策，指定用于FMS的船舶将保留不超过两年的保留状态。”
目前尚不清楚海军是否已经确定了这些船只的买家或潜在买家。在最近公布的造船计划中，该军种指出，“根据海军政策，指定用于FMS的船舶将保留不超过两年的保留状态。”
Previously, the Independence class vessels USS Jackson and Montgomery were set to be decommissioned in 2024, and then placed into "Out of Commission, in Reserve" (OCIR) status. The Navy defines OCIR as the "status of a decommissioned Navy ship being held in reserve for future mobilization purposes," meaning that such ships could be reactivated in the future.
此前，“独立”级“杰克逊”号和“蒙哥马利”号将于2024年退役，然后进入“退役储备”(OCIR)状态。美国海军将OCIR定义为“退役海军舰艇为未来动员目的而保留的状态”，这意味着这些舰艇可能在未来重新启用。
此前，“独立”级“杰克逊”号和“蒙哥马利”号将于2024年退役，然后进入“退役储备”(OCIR)状态。美国海军将OCIR定义为“退役海军舰艇为未来动员目的而保留的状态”，这意味着这些舰艇可能在未来重新启用。
The original decision to divest the two Independence class ships was primarily because of changes in the plan for a set of mission packages intended to be used on both subclasses of LCSs. Both the Independence class and Freedom class LCSs were originally designed to fulfill a multitude of roles within littoral zones through the use of swappable anti-submarine warfare, surface warfare, and mine countermeasure packages. The original intention was for all LCSs to be highly flexible vessels, with the ability to switch quickly from one mission set to another.
最初决定放弃两艘独立级舰艇的主要原因是一组任务包计划的变化，这些任务包打算用于两种LCS的子级。独立级和自由级LCS最初设计通过使用可互换的反潜战、水面战和水雷对抗包来实现沿海区域内的多种角色。最初的意图是让所有的LCS都成为高度灵活的船只，能够从一个任务集快速切换到另一个任务集。
最初决定放弃两艘独立级舰艇的主要原因是一组任务包计划的变化，这些任务包打算用于两种LCS的子级。独立级和自由级LCS最初设计通过使用可互换的反潜战、水面战和水雷对抗包来实现沿海区域内的多种角色。最初的意图是让所有的LCS都成为高度灵活的船只，能够从一个任务集快速切换到另一个任务集。
The Navy has since abandoned this plan entirely and the packages will be installed permanently – future Constellation class frigates are expected to provide the desired additional anti-submarine warfare capacity. At present, 15 Independence class LCSs are set to perform the mine countermeasure mission, while six Freedom class LCSs will perform the surface warfare mission.
美国海军已经完全放弃了这一计划，任务包将永久安装——未来的星座级护卫舰有望提供所需的额外反潜作战能力。目前，15艘独立级濒海战斗舰将执行水雷对抗任务，而6艘自由级濒海战斗舰将执行水面作战任务。
美国海军已经完全放弃了这一计划，任务包将永久安装——未来的星座级护卫舰有望提供所需的额外反潜作战能力。目前，15艘独立级濒海战斗舰将执行水雷对抗任务，而6艘自由级濒海战斗舰将执行水面作战任务。
As the 2024 shipbuilding plan suggests, the Navy is ridding itself of USS Jackson (LCS 6) and Montgomery (LCS 8), the eldest Independence class LCSs, because the service only requires 15 vessels of that class to execute mine countermeasure missions. That the Navy intends to sell these vessels via its FMS process is a new development, and an interesting one given that the shipbuilding plan also highlights that neither of the ships has completed lethality and survivability upgrades.
按照2024年的造舰计划，美国海军正在淘汰最老的“独立”级濒海战斗舰“杰克逊”号(LCS 6)和“蒙哥马利”号(LCS 8)，因为执行反水雷任务只需要15艘“独立”级舰艇。海军打算通过其FMS过程出售这些船只是一个新的发展，考虑到造船计划也强调两艘船都没有完成杀伤力和生存能力升级，这是一个有趣的发展。
按照2024年的造舰计划，美国海军正在淘汰最老的“独立”级濒海战斗舰“杰克逊”号(LCS 6)和“蒙哥马利”号(LCS 8)，因为执行反水雷任务只需要15艘“独立”级舰艇。海军打算通过其FMS过程出售这些船只是一个新的发展，考虑到造船计划也强调两艘船都没有完成杀伤力和生存能力升级，这是一个有趣的发展。
While the issues around mission packages have affected both classes of LCSs, talk of decommissioning and even selling various Freedom class LCSs to foreign buyers has been prominent as of late.
虽然有关任务包的问题影响了这两级LCS，但最近有关退役甚至向外国买家出售各种自由级LCS的讨论一直很突出。
虽然有关任务包的问题影响了这两级LCS，但最近有关退役甚至向外国买家出售各种自由级LCS的讨论一直很突出。
It was first thought that the Navy would decommission between eight and ten Freedom class LCSs as part of its 2023 Fiscal Year budget, before plans for a total of nine were suggested. However, a subsequent draft spending bill from the House Appropriations Committee indicated that a total of only four vessels of the class, rather than nine, might have ended up being decommissioned contrary to the Navy’s intentions. This was subsequently confirmed in the 2023 Fiscal Year National Defense Authorization Act, which states that no "more than four" LCSs would be retired, prepared to be retired, or otherwise placed in storage.
最初认为海军将退役8到10艘自由级濒海战斗舰，作为其2023财政年度预算的一部分，然后建议总共退役9艘。然而，众议院拨款委员会随后的一份支出法案草案表明，与海军的意图相反，可能最终退役的该级舰总共只有四艘，而不是九艘。这一点随后在《2023财年国防授权法案》中得到证实，该法案声明不“超过4艘”濒海战斗舰将退役、准备退役或以其他方式封存。
最初认为海军将退役8到10艘自由级濒海战斗舰，作为其2023财政年度预算的一部分，然后建议总共退役9艘。然而，众议院拨款委员会随后的一份支出法案草案表明，与海军的意图相反，可能最终退役的该级舰总共只有四艘，而不是九艘。这一点随后在《2023财年国防授权法案》中得到证实，该法案声明不“超过4艘”濒海战斗舰将退役、准备退役或以其他方式封存。
The notion of selling a number of Freedom class LCSs to foreign buyers was even proposed in May 2022 by Admiral Michael Gilday, the U.S. Navy’s chief of naval operations. Testifying at a congressional hearing on the Navy’s 2023 budget request, Gilday argued that various U.S. partners and allies – particularly those in South America – might be tempted to buy the vessels, which have more recently been put to use in counter-smuggling operations.
美国海军作战部长迈克尔·吉尔戴上将甚至在2022年5月提出了向外国买家出售多艘自由级濒海战斗舰的想法。吉尔戴在国会听证会上就海军2023年预算请求作证时表示，美国的多个伙伴和盟友——尤其是南美国家——可能会有购买这些军舰的欲望，这些军舰最近被用于反走私行动。
美国海军作战部长迈克尔·吉尔戴上将甚至在2022年5月提出了向外国买家出售多艘自由级濒海战斗舰的想法。吉尔戴在国会听证会上就海军2023年预算请求作证时表示，美国的多个伙伴和盟友——尤其是南美国家——可能会有购买这些军舰的欲望，这些军舰最近被用于反走私行动。
That said, whichever foreign buyer(s) chooses to purchase the four Freedom class LCSs and two Independence class LCSs will need serious funds to keep them seaworthy. As The War Zone previously reported, it’s been suggested that the annual cost of running a single LCS amounts to around $70 million, compared to approximately $81 million for an Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer (DDG).
也就是说，无论外国买家选择购买四艘自由级和两艘独立级，都需要大量资金来保持它们的适航性。正如《战区》之前报道的那样，有人提出运行一艘濒海战斗舰的年成本约为7000万美元，而一艘阿利·伯克级导弹驱逐舰(DDG)的年成本约为8100万美元。
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也就是说，无论外国买家选择购买四艘自由级和两艘独立级，都需要大量资金来保持它们的适航性。正如《战区》之前报道的那样，有人提出运行一艘濒海战斗舰的年成本约为7000万美元，而一艘阿利·伯克级导弹驱逐舰(DDG)的年成本约为8100万美元。
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There will also likely be significant costs to repair and modify the vessels for whoever buys them. Since their conception, multiple design problems have cut across both LCS classes. Perhaps most notably, the Freedom class has suffered issues with its propulsion system as well as with its combining gear, preventing the vessels from meeting their intended performance potential.
对于购买这些船只的人来说，修理和改装它们的成本也可能很高。从它们的概念开始，多个设计问题就贯穿了这两个LCS级别。也许最值得注意的是，“自由”级在推进系统和联合齿轮方面存在问题，这阻碍了这些舰艇实现预期的性能潜力。
对于购买这些船只的人来说，修理和改装它们的成本也可能很高。从它们的概念开始，多个设计问题就贯穿了这两个LCS级别。也许最值得注意的是，“自由”级在推进系统和联合齿轮方面存在问题，这阻碍了这些舰艇实现预期的性能潜力。
Indeed, it was only in May last year that the Freedom class USS Sioux City (LCS 11) became the first LCS of either class to be deployed to Europe and the Middle East in areas the Navy originally intended to use the vessels. Of course, the news that the Navy now intends to sell a number of both LCS subvariants speaks broadly to the fact that the service is still having problems nailing down exactly what it wants to do with these ships in the present, and how many LCSs it needs precisely.
事实上，直到去年5月，自由级苏城号(LCS 11)才成为第一艘部署到欧洲和中东地区的LCS，这是海军最初打算使用这些船只的地区。当然，美国海军现在打算出售两种LCS型号的消息广泛地说明了这样一个事实，即海军在确定目前想要用这些舰艇做什么以及确切需要多少艘LCS方面仍然存在问题。
事实上，直到去年5月，自由级苏城号(LCS 11)才成为第一艘部署到欧洲和中东地区的LCS，这是海军最初打算使用这些船只的地区。当然，美国海军现在打算出售两种LCS型号的消息广泛地说明了这样一个事实，即海军在确定目前想要用这些舰艇做什么以及确切需要多少艘LCS方面仍然存在问题。
It certainly remains to be seen who might be interested in buying examples of either vessel class, and to what uses they might be put towards, after their time with the U.S. Navy. The price they will pay for these nearly new ships, which cost around half a billion dollars each, is another big question. If nothing else, the recent decision to sell a total of six LCSs in the coming years marks the latest chapter in the ever-evolving narrative that is the LCS story.
当然，当它们离开美国海军之后，谁可能有兴趣购买这两种船型的样品，以及它们可能被用于什么用途，还有待观察。他们将为这些几乎全新的军舰支付的价格是另一个大问题，每艘军舰的成本约为5亿美元。如果不出意外的话，最近决定在未来几年内出售总共6艘濒海战斗舰，标志着濒海战斗舰的故事又发展出了最新篇章。
当然，当它们离开美国海军之后，谁可能有兴趣购买这两种船型的样品，以及它们可能被用于什么用途，还有待观察。他们将为这些几乎全新的军舰支付的价格是另一个大问题，每艘军舰的成本约为5亿美元。如果不出意外的话，最近决定在未来几年内出售总共6艘濒海战斗舰，标志着濒海战斗舰的故事又发展出了最新篇章。
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talldude8
Who’s gonna buy these shitboxes?
谁会买这些屎盆子？
Who’s gonna buy these shitboxes?
谁会买这些屎盆子？
guan_tan
Taiwan maybe?
也许台湾会？
Taiwan maybe?
也许台湾会？
AQ5SQ
They have more important things to buy such as LPD's
他们有更重要的东西要买，比如LPD。
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They have more important things to buy such as LPD's
他们有更重要的东西要买，比如LPD。
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Rtstevie
Can you elaborate why strategically, Taiwan needs LPDs?
你能详细说明台湾在战略方面为什么需要LPD吗?
Can you elaborate why strategically, Taiwan needs LPDs?
你能详细说明台湾在战略方面为什么需要LPD吗?
AQ5SQ
I'm just poking fun at Taiwan's lunatic procurement policy
我只是在取笑台湾疯狂的军购政策。
I'm just poking fun at Taiwan's lunatic procurement policy
我只是在取笑台湾疯狂的军购政策。
lori_lightbrain
taiwan's procurement policy is political. the army justifies itself with big ticket purchases and argues that they need the standing personnel and expertise to operate them. otherwise they could save a lot of money by dumping the standing military and creating a garrison state like switzerland
台湾的军购政策是政治性的。军方通过购买大量武器证明自己的合理性，并辩称他们需要常备人员和专业知识来操作这些武器。否则，他们可以通过抛弃常备军，建立一个像瑞士那样的要塞型“国家”，从而节省很多钱。
taiwan's procurement policy is political. the army justifies itself with big ticket purchases and argues that they need the standing personnel and expertise to operate them. otherwise they could save a lot of money by dumping the standing military and creating a garrison state like switzerland
台湾的军购政策是政治性的。军方通过购买大量武器证明自己的合理性，并辩称他们需要常备人员和专业知识来操作这些武器。否则，他们可以通过抛弃常备军，建立一个像瑞士那样的要塞型“国家”，从而节省很多钱。
Milkslinger
Instant navy buff for them
Probably a good idea
可以立即加一层海军buff，
可能是个好主意。
Instant navy buff for them
Probably a good idea
可以立即加一层海军buff，
可能是个好主意。
-Trooper5745-
Ukraine could hopefully use a starter kit navy if that conflict ends well for them.
如果这场冲突顺利结束，乌克兰可能用得上一支入门级海军。
Ukraine could hopefully use a starter kit navy if that conflict ends well for them.
如果这场冲突顺利结束，乌克兰可能用得上一支入门级海军。
A_Sinclaire
Big ships are probably the wrong investment for Ukraine. They would be quickly sunk.
对乌克兰来说，投资大型船只可能是错误的。它们很快就会被击沉。
Big ships are probably the wrong investment for Ukraine. They would be quickly sunk.
对乌克兰来说，投资大型船只可能是错误的。它们很快就会被击沉。
-Trooper5745-
Which is why I said after the conflict. LCS would be good ships for the Black Sea and could be used to build institutional knowledge until better ships come online.
所以我说在这场冲突之后。对黑海来说，濒海战斗舰将是好船，可以用来建立制度知识，直到更好的船上线。
Which is why I said after the conflict. LCS would be good ships for the Black Sea and could be used to build institutional knowledge until better ships come online.
所以我说在这场冲突之后。对黑海来说，濒海战斗舰将是好船，可以用来建立制度知识，直到更好的船上线。
A_Sinclaire
Any navy Ukraine has will be built around a future conflict with Russia. There's really no other way. They have to approach it from an "after the conflict is before the conflict" kind of view for the next few decades at least.
乌克兰拥有的任何海军都将围绕未来与俄罗斯的冲突而建立。仅此一途。至少在接下来的几十年里，他们必须从“冲突后即冲突前”的角度来看待这个问题。
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Any navy Ukraine has will be built around a future conflict with Russia. There's really no other way. They have to approach it from an "after the conflict is before the conflict" kind of view for the next few decades at least.
乌克兰拥有的任何海军都将围绕未来与俄罗斯的冲突而建立。仅此一途。至少在接下来的几十年里，他们必须从“冲突后即冲突前”的角度来看待这个问题。
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They need long range land based anti-ship missiles, maybe large drones that can carry torpedos or something along those lines. Ukraine is not a rich country and a big surface fleet is expensive. Their primary task should be to confine the Russian fleet to harbor.
他们需要远程陆基反舰导弹，或者是可以携带鱼雷的大型无人机。乌克兰不是一个富裕的国家，一支庞大的水面舰队耗资巨大。他们的首要任务应该是把俄罗斯舰队限制在港口内。
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他们需要远程陆基反舰导弹，或者是可以携带鱼雷的大型无人机。乌克兰不是一个富裕的国家，一支庞大的水面舰队耗资巨大。他们的首要任务应该是把俄罗斯舰队限制在港口内。
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-Trooper5745-
But we already know they are going to invest in larger warships as evidence of the ships they already had on order with Turkey and have taken delivery of one, though it still has its sea trials.
但我们已经知道，他们将投资购买更大的军舰，因为他们已经与土耳其订购了船只，并且已经交付了一艘，尽管仍在进行海试。
But we already know they are going to invest in larger warships as evidence of the ships they already had on order with Turkey and have taken delivery of one, though it still has its sea trials.
但我们已经知道，他们将投资购买更大的军舰，因为他们已经与土耳其订购了船只，并且已经交付了一艘，尽管仍在进行海试。
Ukraine will never be a big navy but it will still want ships of some sort that can operate in deep waters.
乌克兰永远不会成为一支强大的海军，但它仍然需要某种能够在深水作业的船只。
乌克兰永远不会成为一支强大的海军，但它仍然需要某种能够在深水作业的船只。
A_Sinclaire
Of course they will need a few ships for regular patrol duty and also down the line NATO obligations. But those two Turkish corvettes probably will be the core of that already.
当然，他们需要一些船只来执行常规巡逻任务，同时也需要履行北约的义务。但这两艘土耳其轻型护卫舰可能已经是其中的核心。
Of course they will need a few ships for regular patrol duty and also down the line NATO obligations. But those two Turkish corvettes probably will be the core of that already.
当然，他们需要一些船只来执行常规巡逻任务，同时也需要履行北约的义务。但这两艘土耳其轻型护卫舰可能已经是其中的核心。
lori_lightbrain
not even the US can afford to operate the LCS long term with its self-corroding and cracking aluminum hulls. let alone an economic basket case like the ukraine
即使是美国也负担不起LCS的长期运营，因为它的铝壳会自腐蚀和开裂。更不用说像乌克兰这样经济稀烂的国家了。
not even the US can afford to operate the LCS long term with its self-corroding and cracking aluminum hulls. let alone an economic basket case like the ukraine
即使是美国也负担不起LCS的长期运营，因为它的铝壳会自腐蚀和开裂。更不用说像乌克兰这样经济稀烂的国家了。
bobby_j_canada
Ukraine should probably take the Iranian route of naval procurement: tons of drones and small speedboats that can launch huge missile salvos at anything hostile that shows up in the Black Sea.
乌克兰可能应该采取伊朗的海军采购路线：大量的无人机和小型快艇，可以向黑海出现的任何敌人齐射导弹。
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Ukraine should probably take the Iranian route of naval procurement: tons of drones and small speedboats that can launch huge missile salvos at anything hostile that shows up in the Black Sea.
乌克兰可能应该采取伊朗的海军采购路线：大量的无人机和小型快艇，可以向黑海出现的任何敌人齐射导弹。
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pensando1
NZ should take them, can be useful for peacekeeping and support of pacific Island nations.
新西兰应该接收这些舰艇，对维持和平和支持太平洋岛国可能有用。
NZ should take them, can be useful for peacekeeping and support of pacific Island nations.
新西兰应该接收这些舰艇，对维持和平和支持太平洋岛国可能有用。
ratt_man
Cant crew what they have now
连现在的舰艇都配不齐人。
Cant crew what they have now
连现在的舰艇都配不齐人。
pensando1
Crew them with pacific islanders, that's how things go anyway
用太平洋岛民当船员，就这么干。
Crew them with pacific islanders, that's how things go anyway
用太平洋岛民当船员，就这么干。
Pacific Islands to NZ > NZers to Aus > Australians to UK/USA
太平洋岛民之于新西兰 > 新西兰人之于澳大利亚 > 澳大利亚人之于英美。
太平洋岛民之于新西兰 > 新西兰人之于澳大利亚 > 澳大利亚人之于英美。
ratt_man
Pacific islands are getting free patrol boats off austalia under the gaurdian patrol boat scheme
在澳大利亚的“守卫巡逻艇计划”下，太平洋岛屿将获得免费的巡逻艇。
Pacific islands are getting free patrol boats off austalia under the gaurdian patrol boat scheme
在澳大利亚的“守卫巡逻艇计划”下，太平洋岛屿将获得免费的巡逻艇。
jerpear
If we all put in $100 each, r/LCD might get its own warship.
如果我们每个人都投入100美元，这个版可能会有自己的战舰。
If we all put in $100 each, r/LCD might get its own warship.
如果我们每个人都投入100美元，这个版可能会有自己的战舰。
BertDeathStare
Moses the Red as captain.
让红衣摩西当船长。
Moses the Red as captain.
让红衣摩西当船长。
Away_Swimming_5757
I’d buy one.
我会买一艘。
I’d buy one.
我会买一艘。
BodybuilderOk3160
I mean...to be fair, China might be interested in a few even if USN price gouged them.
我的意思是……公平地说，中国可能有兴趣买一些，即使美国用高价骗他们。
I mean...to be fair, China might be interested in a few even if USN price gouged them.
我的意思是……公平地说，中国可能有兴趣买一些，即使美国用高价骗他们。
barath_s
Why ?
China has a big shipbuilding industry. If they desired, what stops them from building their own equivalents
为什么?
中国有庞大的造船业。如果他们愿意，有什么能阻止他们建造自己的濒海战斗舰呢。
Why ?
China has a big shipbuilding industry. If they desired, what stops them from building their own equivalents
为什么?
中国有庞大的造船业。如果他们愿意，有什么能阻止他们建造自己的濒海战斗舰呢。
peacefinder
The article suggests someone in South America
文章暗示南美某国会买。
The article suggests someone in South America
文章暗示南美某国会买。
bobby_j_canada
We should force Russia to take them in order to sabotage the war effort.
我们应该迫使俄国接受它们，从而破坏他们的战争能力。
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We should force Russia to take them in order to sabotage the war effort.
我们应该迫使俄国接受它们，从而破坏他们的战争能力。
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exit2dos
Sell these to Canada ... Cheap !!
卖给加拿大……打折！
Sell these to Canada ... Cheap !!
卖给加拿大……打折！
Zestyprotein
Who, besides us, is stupid enough to buy these?
除了我们，还有谁会傻到买这些东西?
Who, besides us, is stupid enough to buy these?
除了我们，还有谁会傻到买这些东西?
You could buy more capability for less in a smaller package, instead of what's basically an oversized gunboat. Or more capability in a similarly sized ship, like a Sa'ar 6, or one of the Turkish MILGEM frigate models.
你可以用更少的钱购买功能更强的战舰（包装更小），而不是这种基本上是超大炮艇的玩意，或者在类似大小的船只实现更大的能力，比如一艘Sa'ar 6，或者土耳其的MILGEM护卫舰的一个型号。
你可以用更少的钱购买功能更强的战舰（包装更小），而不是这种基本上是超大炮艇的玩意，或者在类似大小的船只实现更大的能力，比如一艘Sa'ar 6，或者土耳其的MILGEM护卫舰的一个型号。
ratt_man
I feel the Independence could be useful for a drone mothership / testing and development. Countries are buying Gas Offshore supply vessels for that role, Aus just bought one, UK bought one recently. They have a large a flight deck for UAV and large mission bays for surface/underwater drones
我觉得独立级对无人机母舰/测试和开发很有用。各国都在购买天然气海上供应船承担那个任务，澳大利亚刚刚买了一艘，英国最近也买了一艘。它们的大型飞行甲板可以放无人飞行器，大型任务舱可以放海面/水下无人机。
I feel the Independence could be useful for a drone mothership / testing and development. Countries are buying Gas Offshore supply vessels for that role, Aus just bought one, UK bought one recently. They have a large a flight deck for UAV and large mission bays for surface/underwater drones
我觉得独立级对无人机母舰/测试和开发很有用。各国都在购买天然气海上供应船承担那个任务，澳大利亚刚刚买了一艘，英国最近也买了一艘。它们的大型飞行甲板可以放无人飞行器，大型任务舱可以放海面/水下无人机。
Zestyprotein
They bought those because they don't cost $600 million like an LCS does. Nor do they cost $80 million a year to maintain. And they have crew accomodations that are properly sized for the actual crew size. Using a brand new (supposed) combat vessel for such testing would be a huge waste of funds. But that would be in keeping with how the program has been managed so far, so long as it also falls years behind schedule while doing it.
他们买那些船，是因为那些船不会像LCS那样要6亿美元。那些船每年的维护费用也不需要8000万美元。而且那些船有适合实际船员规模的船员生活舱。使用一艘全新的(假设)战舰进行这样的测试将是巨大的资金浪费。但只要它在实施过程中也落后时间表好几年，就跟该项目迄今为止的管理方式别无二致了。
They bought those because they don't cost $600 million like an LCS does. Nor do they cost $80 million a year to maintain. And they have crew accomodations that are properly sized for the actual crew size. Using a brand new (supposed) combat vessel for such testing would be a huge waste of funds. But that would be in keeping with how the program has been managed so far, so long as it also falls years behind schedule while doing it.
他们买那些船，是因为那些船不会像LCS那样要6亿美元。那些船每年的维护费用也不需要8000万美元。而且那些船有适合实际船员规模的船员生活舱。使用一艘全新的(假设)战舰进行这样的测试将是巨大的资金浪费。但只要它在实施过程中也落后时间表好几年，就跟该项目迄今为止的管理方式别无二致了。
IndependentAd6386
Yea how much ?
耶，多少钱？
Yea how much ?
耶，多少钱？
ifunnywasaninsidejob
I wonder if the Coast Guard is interested?
我想知道海岸警卫队是否感兴趣？
I wonder if the Coast Guard is interested?
我想知道海岸警卫队是否感兴趣？
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KSUKatz
Just a classic procurement disaster from day one. The fact that America isn't up in arms about this says a lot. We are short on ships, short on money to build ships, short on capacity to make ships, and so we're using the money and capacity we do have to build ships we don't want. Incredible.
这个项目从第一天起就是个典型的采购灾难。美国没有对这件事大动干戈，这一事实说明了很多问题。我们缺少船只，缺少建造船只的资金，缺乏建造船只的能力，所以我们用我们仅有的资金和能力来建造我们不想要的船只。难以置信。
KSUKatz
Just a classic procurement disaster from day one. The fact that America isn't up in arms about this says a lot. We are short on ships, short on money to build ships, short on capacity to make ships, and so we're using the money and capacity we do have to build ships we don't want. Incredible.
这个项目从第一天起就是个典型的采购灾难。美国没有对这件事大动干戈，这一事实说明了很多问题。我们缺少船只，缺少建造船只的资金，缺乏建造船只的能力，所以我们用我们仅有的资金和能力来建造我们不想要的船只。难以置信。
GintaPPE1000
First and foremost, the Navy has resisted Congressional attempts to step up production at legacy yards through things like extra DDG buys or fast-forwarding the FFG second yard contract. Lack of money and political will isn’t the problem - the problem is the Navy wants to save face by not admitting they have a manning issue.
首先，海军曾反对国会通过购买额外的DDG或快速推进FFG第二船厂合同等方式来加快传统船厂生产的企图。缺乏资金和政治意愿不是问题——问题是海军想通过不承认他们存在人员问题来挽回面子。
First and foremost, the Navy has resisted Congressional attempts to step up production at legacy yards through things like extra DDG buys or fast-forwarding the FFG second yard contract. Lack of money and political will isn’t the problem - the problem is the Navy wants to save face by not admitting they have a manning issue.
首先，海军曾反对国会通过购买额外的DDG或快速推进FFG第二船厂合同等方式来加快传统船厂生产的企图。缺乏资金和政治意愿不是问题——问题是海军想通过不承认他们存在人员问题来挽回面子。
Secondly, the last LCS was ordered in FY2018. While construction is still ongoing and will continue for years, because ships are big obxts that take time to build, scrapping the half-built ships now saves neither time nor resources as the Navy is on the hook for compensating the contractor if they back out of a block buy.
其次，最后一艘濒海战斗舰是在2018财年订购的。虽然建造仍在进行中，并且将持续数年，但因为船只是需要时间建造的大家伙，现在废弃建造了一半的船只既不节省时间也不节省资源，因为如果承包商退出批量购买，海军就要赔偿他们。
其次，最后一艘濒海战斗舰是在2018财年订购的。虽然建造仍在进行中，并且将持续数年，但因为船只是需要时间建造的大家伙，现在废弃建造了一半的船只既不节省时间也不节省资源，因为如果承包商退出批量购买，海军就要赔偿他们。
Thirdly, the LCS yards are separate facilities set up or retooled exclusively to build them, and they also have never built larger classes of ship before. Thus even if they switched to building something bigger than LCS (which they have), it would make little difference to our current problem. Marinette, builder of the Freedom-class, needs 7 years to build a Constellation when Ingalls and BIW can do an even-larger Burke in as little as 3.5.
第三，濒海战斗舰船厂是专门为建造濒海战斗舰而建设或改造的独立设施，它们以前也从未建造过更大级别的船只。因此，即使它们转而建造比LCS更大的东西(它们已经这样做了)，也不会对我们目前的问题产生什么影响。建造“自由”级的马里内特造船厂花了7年时间建造了一艘“星座”级，而英格尔斯和巴斯钢铁只需3年半就能造出一艘更大的“伯克”级。
第三，濒海战斗舰船厂是专门为建造濒海战斗舰而建设或改造的独立设施，它们以前也从未建造过更大级别的船只。因此，即使它们转而建造比LCS更大的东西(它们已经这样做了)，也不会对我们目前的问题产生什么影响。建造“自由”级的马里内特造船厂花了7年时间建造了一艘“星座”级，而英格尔斯和巴斯钢铁只需3年半就能造出一艘更大的“伯克”级。
Fourthly, LCS is a solution to making better use of our existing DDGs. We cannot solve the CG retirement issue tomorrow, but we can move existing DDGs off patrol duty and onto carrier escort by using LCS to chase druggies instead.
第四，LCS是一个让我们现有的ddg得到更好利用的解决方案。我们不能明天就解决CG（巡洋舰）退役的问题，但我们可以把现有的ddg从巡逻任务转移到航母护航上，用LCS来追捕毒贩。
第四，LCS是一个让我们现有的ddg得到更好利用的解决方案。我们不能明天就解决CG（巡洋舰）退役的问题，但我们可以把现有的ddg从巡逻任务转移到航母护航上，用LCS来追捕毒贩。
Avatar2go
And for the record, though TWZ is loath to admit it, these ships are serving every day, around the world. And they are effective in the roles that they serve. They have achieved about 70% of their intended purpose. The loss of the remaining 30% was due to changes in USN needs, and the order to stop the ASW module. Both of those in turn were enabled by the Constitution class.
虽然《战区》杂志不愿承认，但这些船每天都在世界各地服务。而且它们在自己的角色中很有成效。它们已经实现了大约70%的预期目的。剩余30%的损失是由于美国海军需求的变化，以及停止反潜模块的命令。这两种功能依次由宪法级承担。
And for the record, though TWZ is loath to admit it, these ships are serving every day, around the world. And they are effective in the roles that they serve. They have achieved about 70% of their intended purpose. The loss of the remaining 30% was due to changes in USN needs, and the order to stop the ASW module. Both of those in turn were enabled by the Constitution class.
虽然《战区》杂志不愿承认，但这些船每天都在世界各地服务。而且它们在自己的角色中很有成效。它们已经实现了大约70%的预期目的。剩余30%的损失是由于美国海军需求的变化，以及停止反潜模块的命令。这两种功能依次由宪法级承担。
ToadyX
Like a dog on a bone, TWZ clings to these as Frigates or Frigate-lites instead of as minesweepers that can self-escort while also patrolling. If we cancel this project, we will still need a minesweeper and the next minesweeper should be able to self-escort and self-deploy to be cost and manpower effective so it will look a lot like this program.
TWZ就像盯着骨头上的狗一样，盯着这些护卫舰或轻型护卫舰，却不关注扫雷舰那样既能自我护卫又能巡逻的舰艇。如果我们取消这个项目，我们仍然需要一款扫雷舰，而且下一款扫雷舰应该能够自我护航和自我部署，从而节省成本和人力，所以它看起来很像这个项目。
Like a dog on a bone, TWZ clings to these as Frigates or Frigate-lites instead of as minesweepers that can self-escort while also patrolling. If we cancel this project, we will still need a minesweeper and the next minesweeper should be able to self-escort and self-deploy to be cost and manpower effective so it will look a lot like this program.
TWZ就像盯着骨头上的狗一样，盯着这些护卫舰或轻型护卫舰，却不关注扫雷舰那样既能自我护卫又能巡逻的舰艇。如果我们取消这个项目，我们仍然需要一款扫雷舰，而且下一款扫雷舰应该能够自我护航和自我部署，从而节省成本和人力，所以它看起来很像这个项目。
Steve Sinnott
What we needed: 50 Aegis-capable frigates with forty or so VLS.
What Rummy went with: 25 slightly more powerful Coast Guard cutters
我们需要：50艘具备宙斯盾能力的护卫舰，有40个左右的垂直发射系统。
而拉米搞出来的是：25艘威力稍大的海岸警卫队快艇。
What we needed: 50 Aegis-capable frigates with forty or so VLS.
What Rummy went with: 25 slightly more powerful Coast Guard cutters
我们需要：50艘具备宙斯盾能力的护卫舰，有40个左右的垂直发射系统。
而拉米搞出来的是：25艘威力稍大的海岸警卫队快艇。
fmonk
And the ultimate irony, he thought/thinks he is the smartest one in the room.
最讽刺的是，他认为他是房间里最聪明的人。
And the ultimate irony, he thought/thinks he is the smartest one in the room.
最讽刺的是，他认为他是房间里最聪明的人。
falcon642
Sell them to China. China can''t invade Taiwan if their ships can''t leave port.
把它们卖给中国(大陆)。如果中国的军舰连港都不能出，他们就无法RQ台湾了。
Sell them to China. China can''t invade Taiwan if their ships can''t leave port.
把它们卖给中国(大陆)。如果中国的军舰连港都不能出，他们就无法RQ台湾了。
USCGRM2
That was mean spirited and hurtful. Has the snow melted yet up there?
这话太扎心了。你那里的雪化了吗？
That was mean spirited and hurtful. Has the snow melted yet up there?
这话太扎心了。你那里的雪化了吗？
falcon642
Last of it melted on the valley floor this weekend. But as soon as you head up any of the canyons you are instantly back into the snow.
这周末，谷底的最后一点雪融化了。但一旦你进入任何一个峡谷，你马上就会回到冰雪世界。
Last of it melted on the valley floor this weekend. But as soon as you head up any of the canyons you are instantly back into the snow.
这周末，谷底的最后一点雪融化了。但一旦你进入任何一个峡谷，你马上就会回到冰雪世界。
We got some hail today and its raining pretty hard right now. At this rate I'll be cutting first crop alfalfa on 4th of July.
今天下了冰雹，现在雨下得很大。照这样下去，我将在独立日割第一批紫花苜蓿。
今天下了冰雹，现在雨下得很大。照这样下去，我将在独立日割第一批紫花苜蓿。
Spursfan10
If only they would fall for it.
要是他们上当就好了。
If only they would fall for it.
要是他们上当就好了。
HeHeHaHa123
"Fight Your Enemy Where They Aren't" Sun Tzu and they won't be out to sea HAHA
“攻敌不备”——孙子，这样他们就出不了海了，哈哈。
"Fight Your Enemy Where They Aren't" Sun Tzu and they won't be out to sea HAHA
“攻敌不备”——孙子，这样他们就出不了海了，哈哈。
BravoSierra007
No low ball offers - I know what I have!
低价勿问——我的东西很贵！
No low ball offers - I know what I have!
低价勿问——我的东西很贵！
Patrick Chase
Interesting that they're selling the oldest remaining Independence-class and some of the newest Freedoms. Obviously the reason for the latter is that nobody in their right minds would buy the old Freedoms that were built with borken combining gears.
有趣的是，他们正在出售现存最旧的独立级和一些最新的自由级。显然，后者的原因是，头脑正常的人不会买那些用坏了的组合齿轮打造的旧的自由级。
Interesting that they're selling the oldest remaining Independence-class and some of the newest Freedoms. Obviously the reason for the latter is that nobody in their right minds would buy the old Freedoms that were built with borken combining gears.
有趣的是，他们正在出售现存最旧的独立级和一些最新的自由级。显然，后者的原因是，头脑正常的人不会买那些用坏了的组合齿轮打造的旧的自由级。
I bet the 2 Independence-class will be snapped up fairly quickly. Those huge flight decks and mission bays provide a lot of flexibility, even if the mission modules didn't work out. My understanding is that they'd mostly sorted out the corrosion and structural issues by LCS 6.
我敢打赌2艘独立级很快就会被抢购一空。即使任务模块不能工作，那些巨大的飞行甲板和任务舱也提供了很大的灵活性。我的理解是他们在LCS 6之前已经大体解决了腐蚀和结构问题。
我敢打赌2艘独立级很快就会被抢购一空。即使任务模块不能工作，那些巨大的飞行甲板和任务舱也提供了很大的灵活性。我的理解是他们在LCS 6之前已经大体解决了腐蚀和结构问题。
SocDriver
I can see the Independence classes finding buyers, I have a feeling they may already have someone lined up. But we might as well just scrap the Freedom's at this point. For all the issues they have had with them the whole line seems pretty sullied and without value.
我觉得独立级可以找到买家，我有一种感觉，可能已经有人在排队等着买了。但我们还是把自由级扔了吧。由于它们存在的各种问题，整条生产线似乎都被玷污了，变得没有价值。
I can see the Independence classes finding buyers, I have a feeling they may already have someone lined up. But we might as well just scrap the Freedom's at this point. For all the issues they have had with them the whole line seems pretty sullied and without value.
我觉得独立级可以找到买家，我有一种感觉，可能已经有人在排队等着买了。但我们还是把自由级扔了吧。由于它们存在的各种问题，整条生产线似乎都被玷污了，变得没有价值。
RDML_Kittypnch
“This is an excellent plan and will build sustainability for the future force structure”
- avatar2go probably
“这是一个出色的计划，将为未来的部队结构建立可持续性。”
“This is an excellent plan and will build sustainability for the future force structure”
- avatar2go probably
“这是一个出色的计划，将为未来的部队结构建立可持续性。”
GintaPPE1000
Regardless of how expensive or disappointing they’ve been, they are hulls available to relieve operational burdens from our DDGs, that use a-mostly different supply chain and set of contractors/shipyards to sustain.
不管它们有多昂贵或令人失望，它们都是可以用来减轻ddg的作战负担的船，维持ddg用的是不同的供应链和承包商/造船厂。
Regardless of how expensive or disappointing they’ve been, they are hulls available to relieve operational burdens from our DDGs, that use a-mostly different supply chain and set of contractors/shipyards to sustain.
不管它们有多昂贵或令人失望，它们都是可以用来减轻ddg的作战负担的船，维持ddg用的是不同的供应链和承包商/造船厂。
The quickest way we can make more destroyers available to fight China is to use LCS to take the others off patrol duties. With all the anxiety over low DDG readiness and CGs life-expiring, problems with LCS should be secondary to solving these issues.
我们要制造更多驱逐舰来对抗中国，最快方法就是用濒海战斗舰取代其他驱逐舰的巡逻任务。由于对DDG准备不足和CG寿命到期的担忧，对于解决这些问题而言，LCS的问题应该是次要的。
我们要制造更多驱逐舰来对抗中国，最快方法就是用濒海战斗舰取代其他驱逐舰的巡逻任务。由于对DDG准备不足和CG寿命到期的担忧，对于解决这些问题而言，LCS的问题应该是次要的。
USCGRM2
Borken...The perfect word to describe the LCS class.
稀碎……描述LCS级的完美形容词。
Borken...The perfect word to describe the LCS class.
稀碎……描述LCS级的完美形容词。
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