你如何看待印度的民族主义（二）
正文翻译
How do you view Indian nationalism?
你如何看待印度的民族主义?
你如何看待印度的民族主义?
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Avinash Deshmukh
What is the difference between Hindu nationalism versus Indian nationalism?
Hindu Nationalism :
It is based on religious pride.
It is exclusive to a particular set of people largely based in religion
It is born out of hatred for other religions
It believes in religious blasphemy
It demands unquestionable obedience
It is misguided and ill-convinced
It is more political than ideological
It is intolerant towards dissent and free will
It is dangerous for atheists and agnostics
It is harmful for women and minorities
印度教民族主义和印度民族主义有什么区别？
印度教民族主义：
这是基于宗教自豪感。
它只适用于主要信奉宗教的特定人群
它源于对其他宗教的仇恨
它信奉宗教关于亵渎的说法
它要求无可置疑的服从
这是被误导和不可信的
与其说是意识形态，不如说是政治性的
它不容忍异议和自由意志
这对无神论者和不可知论者来说是危险的
它对妇女和少数民族有害
What is the difference between Hindu nationalism versus Indian nationalism?
Hindu Nationalism :
It is based on religious pride.
It is exclusive to a particular set of people largely based in religion
It is born out of hatred for other religions
It believes in religious blasphemy
It demands unquestionable obedience
It is misguided and ill-convinced
It is more political than ideological
It is intolerant towards dissent and free will
It is dangerous for atheists and agnostics
It is harmful for women and minorities
印度教民族主义和印度民族主义有什么区别？
印度教民族主义：
这是基于宗教自豪感。
它只适用于主要信奉宗教的特定人群
它源于对其他宗教的仇恨
它信奉宗教关于亵渎的说法
它要求无可置疑的服从
这是被误导和不可信的
与其说是意识形态，不如说是政治性的
它不容忍异议和自由意志
这对无神论者和不可知论者来说是危险的
它对妇女和少数民族有害
Indian Nationalism
It is based on plurality and equality.
It is based on inclusion of all people - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Parsis, gays and atheists.
It born out of love for each other and a shared sense of respect for each other.
It allows freedom of speech and freedom of criticism ( Indian nationalism fall short miserably on this count)
It does not force nationalism on people.
It is well-thought and universally accepted.
It is more ideological than political
It is tolerant towards people and institutions and allows dissent (only to a certain extent)
It is comparatively safe for non-believers
It is liberating for women and minorities.
However, India nationalism is not without its faults. Excessive nationalism can throttle the freedom of press and speech. It can cause the government and army to be opaque. Indian nationalism is also a victim of cheap thrills. Unnecessary display of patriotism and useless sloganeering has hijacked the nationalism and made it the cheapest way to experience pride.
印度民族主义
它建立在多元和平等的基础上。
它以包容所有人为基础——印度教徒、穆斯林、基督徒、锡克教徒、耆那教徒、佛教徒、帕西人、同性恋者和无神论者。
它源于对彼此的爱和对彼此的共同尊重。
它允许言论自由和批评自由（印度民族主义在这方面严重不足）
它并没有把民族主义强加给人们。
这是经过深思熟虑和普遍接受的。
与其说是政治，不如说是意识形态
它对人民和机构持宽容态度，并允许持不同意见（仅在一定程度上）
它对不信教的人来说相对安全
对妇女和少数民族来说，这是解放。
然而，印度民族主义并非没有缺点。过度的民族主义会扼杀新闻和言论自由。这可能导致政府和军队不透明。印度民族主义也是廉价刺激的受害者。不必要的爱国主义表现和无用的口号劫持了民族主义，使其成为体验自豪感的最廉价方式。
It is based on plurality and equality.
It is based on inclusion of all people - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Parsis, gays and atheists.
It born out of love for each other and a shared sense of respect for each other.
It allows freedom of speech and freedom of criticism ( Indian nationalism fall short miserably on this count)
It does not force nationalism on people.
It is well-thought and universally accepted.
It is more ideological than political
It is tolerant towards people and institutions and allows dissent (only to a certain extent)
It is comparatively safe for non-believers
It is liberating for women and minorities.
However, India nationalism is not without its faults. Excessive nationalism can throttle the freedom of press and speech. It can cause the government and army to be opaque. Indian nationalism is also a victim of cheap thrills. Unnecessary display of patriotism and useless sloganeering has hijacked the nationalism and made it the cheapest way to experience pride.
印度民族主义
它建立在多元和平等的基础上。
它以包容所有人为基础——印度教徒、穆斯林、基督徒、锡克教徒、耆那教徒、佛教徒、帕西人、同性恋者和无神论者。
它源于对彼此的爱和对彼此的共同尊重。
它允许言论自由和批评自由（印度民族主义在这方面严重不足）
它并没有把民族主义强加给人们。
这是经过深思熟虑和普遍接受的。
与其说是政治，不如说是意识形态
它对人民和机构持宽容态度，并允许持不同意见（仅在一定程度上）
它对不信教的人来说相对安全
对妇女和少数民族来说，这是解放。
然而，印度民族主义并非没有缺点。过度的民族主义会扼杀新闻和言论自由。这可能导致政府和军队不透明。印度民族主义也是廉价刺激的受害者。不必要的爱国主义表现和无用的口号劫持了民族主义，使其成为体验自豪感的最廉价方式。
Balamurugan Thangavelu
What are the origins of Tamil nationalism in India?
Well you have to go back a few thousand years back as we are one of the few human races that has been free for a long period of time. Historians date that tamils were present as long ago as 7000 years. Out of which tamil has been enslaved by british only in the 18th century and then now into the Indian subcontinent.
So, we have been free for a long period of time and one of the last classical races still alive right next to egyptians, chinese, greeks, romans.
Now when you have been free for so long and suddenly in the name of oneness people and government hijack the history of our race then starts the Tamil Nationalism. First it was caste system fought bitterly for thousand of years then came muslim invaders, then came britishers and now once again the aryans.
So as long as you steal my artificats and hijack my historical findings and tell them to the world as we are always part of called India then Tamil nationalism will live and survive.
印度泰米尔民族主义的起源是什么
你必须追溯到几千年前，因为我们是少数几个在很长一段时间内自由的人类之一。历史学家认为泰米尔人早在7000年前就已经存在了。泰米尔人在18世纪才被英国人奴役，后来融入印度次大陆。
因此，我们已经自由了很长一段时间，是最后一个仍然存在的经典种族之一，仅次于埃及人、中国人、希腊人和罗马人。
现在，当你自由了这么长时间，突然间，人民和政府以统一的名义劫持了我们种族的历史，然后开始了泰米尔民族主义。首先是种姓制度长达数千年的激烈斗争，然后是穆斯林侵略者，然后是英国人，现在又是雅利安人。
因此，只要你们偷走了我的人造物，劫持了我的历史发现，并告诉世界，因为我们一直是印度的一部分，所以泰米尔民族主义将继续存在下去。
What are the origins of Tamil nationalism in India?
Well you have to go back a few thousand years back as we are one of the few human races that has been free for a long period of time. Historians date that tamils were present as long ago as 7000 years. Out of which tamil has been enslaved by british only in the 18th century and then now into the Indian subcontinent.
So, we have been free for a long period of time and one of the last classical races still alive right next to egyptians, chinese, greeks, romans.
Now when you have been free for so long and suddenly in the name of oneness people and government hijack the history of our race then starts the Tamil Nationalism. First it was caste system fought bitterly for thousand of years then came muslim invaders, then came britishers and now once again the aryans.
So as long as you steal my artificats and hijack my historical findings and tell them to the world as we are always part of called India then Tamil nationalism will live and survive.
印度泰米尔民族主义的起源是什么
你必须追溯到几千年前，因为我们是少数几个在很长一段时间内自由的人类之一。历史学家认为泰米尔人早在7000年前就已经存在了。泰米尔人在18世纪才被英国人奴役，后来融入印度次大陆。
因此，我们已经自由了很长一段时间，是最后一个仍然存在的经典种族之一，仅次于埃及人、中国人、希腊人和罗马人。
现在，当你自由了这么长时间，突然间，人民和政府以统一的名义劫持了我们种族的历史，然后开始了泰米尔民族主义。首先是种姓制度长达数千年的激烈斗争，然后是穆斯林侵略者，然后是英国人，现在又是雅利安人。
因此，只要你们偷走了我的人造物，劫持了我的历史发现，并告诉世界，因为我们一直是印度的一部分，所以泰米尔民族主义将继续存在下去。
Vivek Dantkale
What is the basis of India's Nationalism ?
To understand nationalism ~ a profound feeling for betterment and pride for ones nation : one must know the meaning of what constitutes a nation. So here is my understanding of a nation:
Nation ?ne??(?)n/ : is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory. It is derived from Latin natio meaning : people, tribe, kinsmen etc.
UK a small country has 4 nations namely : English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh. But there is a fine commonality which makes them British.
In layman terms, it is a large group of people bound together by some common interests like collective security, military power (now a days used as a last resort), currency to ease & control economic activities, favourable balance of trade, etc.
For such purposes, some strong & wealthy people with the help of some shrewd & intelligent people of olden days would come together and form kingdoms.
As we all know, there was Nothing called India before the British shrewdly & ruthlessly formed one. However some mythological stories which few historians have tirelessly attempted to support with hard evidence say that Emperor Bharat had a sway over present day :- Pakistan, most of India and Myanmar.
The common religion Earlier called Sanatan, was established over most of these areas.
Due to excesses by the ruling & adviser classes, the 4 Varna System & many other tyrannical systems were challenged by Buddhism & Jainism both these religious ideologies gathered some followership but since they distributed the existing feudal system the advisor class (All powers, NO fear because it is an indelible sin to kill one of them & NO responsibility, if they adultr or kill then they just go on a long vacation to bathe in Ganga to wash off the sins) so these advisors ceaselessly connived with the ruling class to suppress the new social revolutions.
印度民族主义的基础是什么？
要理解民族主义——一种对一个国家的进步和自豪感的深刻感受：一个人必须知道是什么构成了一个国家。以下是我对一个国家的理解：
国家：是指居住在一个特定国家或地区，因共同的血统、历史、文化或语言而团结在一起的一大群人。它源自拉丁语“natio”的意思：人、部落、亲属等。
英联邦是一个小国，有4个国家合并而成，即：英格兰、爱尔兰、苏格兰和威尔士。但有一个很好的共同点使他们成为英国人。
通俗地说，它是由一些共同利益联系在一起的一大群人，比如集体安全、军事力量(现在被用作最后的手段)、缓解和控制经济活动的货币、有利的贸易平衡等。
为了这样的目的，一些强大和富有的人在古代一些精明和聪明的人的帮助下会走到一起，形成王国。
我们都知道，在英国人精明无情地建立印度之前，没有什么叫印度的。然而，一些很少有历史学家不知疲倦地试图用确凿证据来支持的神话故事说，巴拉特皇帝统治了今天的巴基斯坦、印度大部分地区和缅甸。
早期被称为Sanatan Dharma（对信徒来说是“永恒的秩序”)的共同宗教在这些地区的大部分地区建立起来。
由于统治和顾问阶层的过度行为，印度的四种种姓制度和许多其他暴政系统受到了佛教和耆那教的挑战，这两种宗教意识形态都聚集了一些追随者，但由于它们分配了现有的封建制度，因此顾问阶层（拥有全部权力，没有恐惧，因为杀死他们中的任何一个是不可磨灭的罪孽，如果他们通奸或杀人，他们只需去恒河沐浴度日来洗刷罪孽）与统治阶层不断密谋压制新的社会革命。
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What is the basis of India's Nationalism ?
To understand nationalism ~ a profound feeling for betterment and pride for ones nation : one must know the meaning of what constitutes a nation. So here is my understanding of a nation:
Nation ?ne??(?)n/ : is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory. It is derived from Latin natio meaning : people, tribe, kinsmen etc.
UK a small country has 4 nations namely : English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh. But there is a fine commonality which makes them British.
In layman terms, it is a large group of people bound together by some common interests like collective security, military power (now a days used as a last resort), currency to ease & control economic activities, favourable balance of trade, etc.
For such purposes, some strong & wealthy people with the help of some shrewd & intelligent people of olden days would come together and form kingdoms.
As we all know, there was Nothing called India before the British shrewdly & ruthlessly formed one. However some mythological stories which few historians have tirelessly attempted to support with hard evidence say that Emperor Bharat had a sway over present day :- Pakistan, most of India and Myanmar.
The common religion Earlier called Sanatan, was established over most of these areas.
Due to excesses by the ruling & adviser classes, the 4 Varna System & many other tyrannical systems were challenged by Buddhism & Jainism both these religious ideologies gathered some followership but since they distributed the existing feudal system the advisor class (All powers, NO fear because it is an indelible sin to kill one of them & NO responsibility, if they adultr or kill then they just go on a long vacation to bathe in Ganga to wash off the sins) so these advisors ceaselessly connived with the ruling class to suppress the new social revolutions.
印度民族主义的基础是什么？
要理解民族主义——一种对一个国家的进步和自豪感的深刻感受：一个人必须知道是什么构成了一个国家。以下是我对一个国家的理解：
国家：是指居住在一个特定国家或地区，因共同的血统、历史、文化或语言而团结在一起的一大群人。它源自拉丁语“natio”的意思：人、部落、亲属等。
英联邦是一个小国，有4个国家合并而成，即：英格兰、爱尔兰、苏格兰和威尔士。但有一个很好的共同点使他们成为英国人。
通俗地说，它是由一些共同利益联系在一起的一大群人，比如集体安全、军事力量(现在被用作最后的手段)、缓解和控制经济活动的货币、有利的贸易平衡等。
为了这样的目的，一些强大和富有的人在古代一些精明和聪明的人的帮助下会走到一起，形成王国。
我们都知道，在英国人精明无情地建立印度之前，没有什么叫印度的。然而，一些很少有历史学家不知疲倦地试图用确凿证据来支持的神话故事说，巴拉特皇帝统治了今天的巴基斯坦、印度大部分地区和缅甸。
早期被称为Sanatan Dharma（对信徒来说是“永恒的秩序”)的共同宗教在这些地区的大部分地区建立起来。
由于统治和顾问阶层的过度行为，印度的四种种姓制度和许多其他暴政系统受到了佛教和耆那教的挑战，这两种宗教意识形态都聚集了一些追随者，但由于它们分配了现有的封建制度，因此顾问阶层（拥有全部权力，没有恐惧，因为杀死他们中的任何一个是不可磨灭的罪孽，如果他们通奸或杀人，他们只需去恒河沐浴度日来洗刷罪孽）与统治阶层不断密谋压制新的社会革命。
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Later, Emperor Chandra Gupta Maurya & Emperor Ashok too had sway over huge part of above territory.
After the death of Ashok , the upper class succeeded in almost routing out the rising stars of these social revolutions.
Some brilliant saints across the country, constantly endeavoured to improve the clawed feudal system. These least violent yet ceaseless struggles between the socio-cultural classes : mostly lead by Saints , is the COMMON THREAD that makes all of us belonging to a common-culture. The Mughal & the Muslim rulers, being successfully challenged by the likes of Shivaji Maharaj was loved by 85% Non-Muslims of India. This history of successful Hindu Kings too makes the same 85% feel proud.
Nehru-Mahatma Gandhi duo successfully garnered support from most Indians for Indian Freedom Struggle.. This too contributed immensely to our Nationalism. Only that Nehru was NOT a genuine person and was too scared of his own generals and he generally dumbed down 95% Indians by worst policies especially in Education and Entrepreneurship development. Since we all Indians suffered & blindly followed his, Indira's dumb policies aimed at covertly making millions of Rubels in arms deals and billions of Rupees via License-Raj.
The Constitution written by Dr. Ambedkar that endeavours to do justice to all, specially the weak & the downtrodden; Our Constitution that all Indians especially the politicians promise to uphold always and every time..
Many well identified symbols, like our National anthem, National Flag, National teams they all bind-us together as Indians.
后来，孔雀王朝的创始人昌德拉·古普塔(Chandragupta Gupta)和阿育王也曾统治过上述领土的大部分地区。
在阿育王去世后，上层阶级几乎成功地铲除了这些社会革命的新星
全国各地一些杰出的圣人，不断为完善封建制度而奋斗。这些社会文化阶层之间最不具备暴力但无休止的斗争：主要由圣人领导，它使我们所有人都属于一个共同的文化。莫卧儿和穆斯林统治者成功地受到了希瓦吉·马哈拉吉等人的挑战，得到了85%印度非穆斯林的爱戴。印度国王的成功历史也让85%的印度人感到自豪。
尼赫鲁和圣雄甘地成功地赢得了大多数印度人对印度自由斗争的支持。这也极大地促进了我们的民族主义。只是尼赫鲁不是一个真诚的人，他太害怕自己的将军了，他通常会因为最糟糕的政策而让95%的印度人目瞪口呆，尤其是在教育和创业发展方面。由于我们所有印度人都遭受了痛苦，并盲目地遵循了他和英迪拉的愚蠢政策——这些政策旨在通过军火交易偷偷赚取无数卢比和通过许可证制度偷偷赚取数十亿卢比。
安贝德卡博士撰写的宪法，致力于为所有人，特别是弱者和被压迫者伸张正义；所有印度人，尤其是政治家，承诺永远维护我们的宪法。
许多明确的标志，比如我们的国歌、国旗、国家队，它们都把我们作为印度人联系在一起。
After the death of Ashok , the upper class succeeded in almost routing out the rising stars of these social revolutions.
Some brilliant saints across the country, constantly endeavoured to improve the clawed feudal system. These least violent yet ceaseless struggles between the socio-cultural classes : mostly lead by Saints , is the COMMON THREAD that makes all of us belonging to a common-culture. The Mughal & the Muslim rulers, being successfully challenged by the likes of Shivaji Maharaj was loved by 85% Non-Muslims of India. This history of successful Hindu Kings too makes the same 85% feel proud.
Nehru-Mahatma Gandhi duo successfully garnered support from most Indians for Indian Freedom Struggle.. This too contributed immensely to our Nationalism. Only that Nehru was NOT a genuine person and was too scared of his own generals and he generally dumbed down 95% Indians by worst policies especially in Education and Entrepreneurship development. Since we all Indians suffered & blindly followed his, Indira's dumb policies aimed at covertly making millions of Rubels in arms deals and billions of Rupees via License-Raj.
The Constitution written by Dr. Ambedkar that endeavours to do justice to all, specially the weak & the downtrodden; Our Constitution that all Indians especially the politicians promise to uphold always and every time..
Many well identified symbols, like our National anthem, National Flag, National teams they all bind-us together as Indians.
后来，孔雀王朝的创始人昌德拉·古普塔(Chandragupta Gupta)和阿育王也曾统治过上述领土的大部分地区。
在阿育王去世后，上层阶级几乎成功地铲除了这些社会革命的新星
全国各地一些杰出的圣人，不断为完善封建制度而奋斗。这些社会文化阶层之间最不具备暴力但无休止的斗争：主要由圣人领导，它使我们所有人都属于一个共同的文化。莫卧儿和穆斯林统治者成功地受到了希瓦吉·马哈拉吉等人的挑战，得到了85%印度非穆斯林的爱戴。印度国王的成功历史也让85%的印度人感到自豪。
尼赫鲁和圣雄甘地成功地赢得了大多数印度人对印度自由斗争的支持。这也极大地促进了我们的民族主义。只是尼赫鲁不是一个真诚的人，他太害怕自己的将军了，他通常会因为最糟糕的政策而让95%的印度人目瞪口呆，尤其是在教育和创业发展方面。由于我们所有印度人都遭受了痛苦，并盲目地遵循了他和英迪拉的愚蠢政策——这些政策旨在通过军火交易偷偷赚取无数卢比和通过许可证制度偷偷赚取数十亿卢比。
安贝德卡博士撰写的宪法，致力于为所有人，特别是弱者和被压迫者伸张正义；所有印度人，尤其是政治家，承诺永远维护我们的宪法。
许多明确的标志，比如我们的国歌、国旗、国家队，它们都把我们作为印度人联系在一起。
Adrien Joly
What do the French think of India, and its people?
I don’t know about other French people.
My experience with India is poor. But I was hosted by a family of people from India, living in Kuala Lumpur, and have heard several stories from my girlfriend and colleagues who worked with people from India.
I believe that people from India are afraid of saying “no” (or being negative in general) to other people. It makes it difficult for us Europeans to do business with them because being on the same line is important for us. We prefer a partner who honestly says “Sorry, I did not understand, can you explain again please?” ou “Sorry, I can’t possible hold this deadline. Can we find another way?” than “Yes” and who does not deliver at our level of expectation at the end of the day.
Otherwise, I generally see people of India as people who don’t show much of their emotions. But I believe that there are wiser and less individualistic than us.
I hope that my answer did not offend you in any way. I trying to answer as honestly and respectfully as I could!
I’d love to read your thoughts about French / European / Occidental people! :-)
法国人怎么看待印度及其人民？
我不了解其他法国人。
我经历的涉及印度的经历很糟糕。但我曾被一个来自住在吉隆坡的印度家庭招待，我从我的女朋友和同事那里听到了几个与印度人共事的故事。
我认为印度人害怕对别人说“不”（或总体上消极）。这让我们欧洲人很难与他们做生意，因为站在同一条线上对我们来说很重要。我们更喜欢合作伙伴诚实地说“对不起，我不明白，你能再解释一次吗？”或者“对不起，我们不能在这个最后期限前完成。我们能找到另一种方法吗？”而不是“好的”，而且最终不能达到我们的预期水平。
除此之外，我通常认为印度人民不会表现出太多的情绪。但我相信，还有一些人比我们更聪明，也不那么个人主义。
我希望我的回答没有以任何方式冒犯你。我试着尽可能诚实和尊重地回答！
我很想听听你对法国人/欧洲人/西方人的看法！
What do the French think of India, and its people?
I don’t know about other French people.
My experience with India is poor. But I was hosted by a family of people from India, living in Kuala Lumpur, and have heard several stories from my girlfriend and colleagues who worked with people from India.
I believe that people from India are afraid of saying “no” (or being negative in general) to other people. It makes it difficult for us Europeans to do business with them because being on the same line is important for us. We prefer a partner who honestly says “Sorry, I did not understand, can you explain again please?” ou “Sorry, I can’t possible hold this deadline. Can we find another way?” than “Yes” and who does not deliver at our level of expectation at the end of the day.
Otherwise, I generally see people of India as people who don’t show much of their emotions. But I believe that there are wiser and less individualistic than us.
I hope that my answer did not offend you in any way. I trying to answer as honestly and respectfully as I could!
I’d love to read your thoughts about French / European / Occidental people! :-)
法国人怎么看待印度及其人民？
我不了解其他法国人。
我经历的涉及印度的经历很糟糕。但我曾被一个来自住在吉隆坡的印度家庭招待，我从我的女朋友和同事那里听到了几个与印度人共事的故事。
我认为印度人害怕对别人说“不”（或总体上消极）。这让我们欧洲人很难与他们做生意，因为站在同一条线上对我们来说很重要。我们更喜欢合作伙伴诚实地说“对不起，我不明白，你能再解释一次吗？”或者“对不起，我们不能在这个最后期限前完成。我们能找到另一种方法吗？”而不是“好的”，而且最终不能达到我们的预期水平。
除此之外，我通常认为印度人民不会表现出太多的情绪。但我相信，还有一些人比我们更聪明，也不那么个人主义。
我希望我的回答没有以任何方式冒犯你。我试着尽可能诚实和尊重地回答！
我很想听听你对法国人/欧洲人/西方人的看法！
Ashok Vyas
How much nationalist we Indian are?
Most of us are very nationalist. More than a mere feeling it is necessity for us specially looking at the past of this country. We were always unity in diversity as we accepted all kind of belief system and philosophy. Nationalism is our identity which we should not give up on. Sadly now it is termed as radical or become a bad word or out of fashion term. But we should not forget our past and nationalism should be taught to every child of this country with reason and facts. We should learn a lot from Japan.
我们印度人有多民族主义？
我们大多数人都非常民族主义。这不仅仅是一种感觉，我们有必要特别回顾这个国家的过去。当我们接受各种信仰体系和哲学时，我们总是在多样性中团结一致。民族主义是我们的身份，我们不应该放弃。可悲的是，现在它被称为激进或成为一个糟糕的词或过时的术语。但我们不应该忘记我们的过去，应该用理性和事实向这个国家的每一个孩子教授民族主义。我们应该向日本学习很多东西。
How much nationalist we Indian are?
Most of us are very nationalist. More than a mere feeling it is necessity for us specially looking at the past of this country. We were always unity in diversity as we accepted all kind of belief system and philosophy. Nationalism is our identity which we should not give up on. Sadly now it is termed as radical or become a bad word or out of fashion term. But we should not forget our past and nationalism should be taught to every child of this country with reason and facts. We should learn a lot from Japan.
我们印度人有多民族主义？
我们大多数人都非常民族主义。这不仅仅是一种感觉，我们有必要特别回顾这个国家的过去。当我们接受各种信仰体系和哲学时，我们总是在多样性中团结一致。民族主义是我们的身份，我们不应该放弃。可悲的是，现在它被称为激进或成为一个糟糕的词或过时的术语。但我们不应该忘记我们的过去，应该用理性和事实向这个国家的每一个孩子教授民族主义。我们应该向日本学习很多东西。
Kshitij Salunke
Why do we Indians like the concept of 'nationalism'?
Because we have been taught about it since childhood. The epic Mahabharat also teach us the same where all the distributed kingdoms were brought together and formed Mahabharat! Actually as we had been under foreign rulers for about many years so the main motive or we can say psychology in those days was to think about country and make it free and other…as our ancestors had been freedom fighters or have witnessed it ,they transferred that feeling of nationalism to upcoming generation. And the most important part is or we can say the dark side is that the politicians want us to be nationalist. Because if we stop being that and start asking them about their work…it will a problem for them so it is also used as a trump card. So we love nationalism because they want us to like it!
为什么我们印度人喜欢“民族主义”的概念？
因为我们从小就被教导这方面的知识。史诗《摩诃婆罗多》也教会了我们同样的道理，所有分散的王国都聚集在一起，形成了摩诃婆罗多！事实上，由于我们在外国统治者统治下已经有很多年了，所以当时的主要动机，或者我们可以说，那个时代的心理学就是思考国家，让它自由等等，正如我们的祖先曾经是自由战士或亲眼目睹的那样，他们把这种民族主义的感情传递给了下一代。最重要的是，或者说最黑暗的一面是政客们想让我们成为民族主义者。因为如果我们不再秉持民族主义，而是开始询问他们的工作，这将给他们带来麻烦，所以这也被用作一张王牌。所以我们喜欢民族主义，因为他们希望我们喜欢它！
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Why do we Indians like the concept of 'nationalism'?
Because we have been taught about it since childhood. The epic Mahabharat also teach us the same where all the distributed kingdoms were brought together and formed Mahabharat! Actually as we had been under foreign rulers for about many years so the main motive or we can say psychology in those days was to think about country and make it free and other…as our ancestors had been freedom fighters or have witnessed it ,they transferred that feeling of nationalism to upcoming generation. And the most important part is or we can say the dark side is that the politicians want us to be nationalist. Because if we stop being that and start asking them about their work…it will a problem for them so it is also used as a trump card. So we love nationalism because they want us to like it!
为什么我们印度人喜欢“民族主义”的概念？
因为我们从小就被教导这方面的知识。史诗《摩诃婆罗多》也教会了我们同样的道理，所有分散的王国都聚集在一起，形成了摩诃婆罗多！事实上，由于我们在外国统治者统治下已经有很多年了，所以当时的主要动机，或者我们可以说，那个时代的心理学就是思考国家，让它自由等等，正如我们的祖先曾经是自由战士或亲眼目睹的那样，他们把这种民族主义的感情传递给了下一代。最重要的是，或者说最黑暗的一面是政客们想让我们成为民族主义者。因为如果我们不再秉持民族主义，而是开始询问他们的工作，这将给他们带来麻烦，所以这也被用作一张王牌。所以我们喜欢民族主义，因为他们希望我们喜欢它！
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Ramaswamy Subramanian
What is the Indian concept of nationalism?
Do not call it, Indian concept of nationalism. Nationalism is a party concept, or the concept of the individual. Nationalism is a recent entry, It was patriotism before. Patriotism may not divide nation, nationalism too, should not. Both are not limitless, when it exceeds the limit it causes problem. Nationalism or patriotism, should include people within it, if people are not respected, neither can be accepted. A desire for a better nation can be accepted, but there can be no nation without people. Those who cannot respect people, cannot be termed as nationalists.
印度人的民族主义概念是什么？
不要称之为印度人的民族主义概念。民族主义是一个政党的概念，或者说是个人的概念。民族主义是最近才出现的，以前是爱国主义。爱国主义不能分裂国家，民族主义也不能。两者都不是无限的，当它超过极限时就会引起问题。爱国主义不能分裂国家，民族主义也不能。想要建立一个更好的国家的愿望是可以接受的，但是没有人民就没有国家。那些不能尊重人民的人不能被称为民族主义者。
What is the Indian concept of nationalism?
Do not call it, Indian concept of nationalism. Nationalism is a party concept, or the concept of the individual. Nationalism is a recent entry, It was patriotism before. Patriotism may not divide nation, nationalism too, should not. Both are not limitless, when it exceeds the limit it causes problem. Nationalism or patriotism, should include people within it, if people are not respected, neither can be accepted. A desire for a better nation can be accepted, but there can be no nation without people. Those who cannot respect people, cannot be termed as nationalists.
印度人的民族主义概念是什么？
不要称之为印度人的民族主义概念。民族主义是一个政党的概念，或者说是个人的概念。民族主义是最近才出现的，以前是爱国主义。爱国主义不能分裂国家，民族主义也不能。两者都不是无限的，当它超过极限时就会引起问题。爱国主义不能分裂国家，民族主义也不能。想要建立一个更好的国家的愿望是可以接受的，但是没有人民就没有国家。那些不能尊重人民的人不能被称为民族主义者。
Shngain Lang
How do northeast Indians view south Indians ?
Friendly, polite, very conservative, poor dressing sense, intelligent and quite hard to understand their accent if you're not use to hear.
Malayalam Kannada Telegu Konkani & Tamil to my ears I can't differentiate. I've been to Karnataka (not Bengaluru) and its amazing, welcoming and warmth people and I just love the simplicity and nature especially in the villages.
东北印度人如何看待南部印度人？
友好、礼貌、非常保守、穿着品味差、聪明，如果你不习惯听，你很难理解他们的口音。
马拉雅拉姆语、埃纳德语、特拉古语、贡根语和泰米尔语对我来说我是无法区分的。我去过卡纳塔克邦（不是班加罗尔），那里的人们令人惊叹、热情好客，我就是喜欢这里的简单和自然，尤其是乡村。
How do northeast Indians view south Indians ?
Friendly, polite, very conservative, poor dressing sense, intelligent and quite hard to understand their accent if you're not use to hear.
Malayalam Kannada Telegu Konkani & Tamil to my ears I can't differentiate. I've been to Karnataka (not Bengaluru) and its amazing, welcoming and warmth people and I just love the simplicity and nature especially in the villages.
东北印度人如何看待南部印度人？
友好、礼貌、非常保守、穿着品味差、聪明，如果你不习惯听，你很难理解他们的口音。
马拉雅拉姆语、埃纳德语、特拉古语、贡根语和泰米尔语对我来说我是无法区分的。我去过卡纳塔克邦（不是班加罗尔），那里的人们令人惊叹、热情好客，我就是喜欢这里的简单和自然，尤其是乡村。
Sunny Nehra
What are your views on nationalism in Indian movies?
When Bollywood works for glorifying underworld criminals (and their families) no one has problem with it.
When Bollywood promotes (tries it's best to build their influence) addiction, alcoholism, adultery, cheating, vulgarism, violence etc no one has problem with it.
When Bollywood promotes foreign propaganda (and making us believe that we, our nation, our culture is inferior) no one has a problem with it.
When Bollywood works as influence building machine for "Pseudo Propagandas" like pseudo secularism or pseudo liberalism (just a few to name) no one has a problem with it.
When Bollywood is not able to overcome it’s obsession for love stories no one has a problem with it.
When Bollywood (mainly songs) promotes nudity, glorifies stalking, obxtifies women (especially in songs) no one has problem.
But people have problem when it promotes Nationalism?
你对印度电影中的民族主义有什么看法？
当宝莱坞致力于美化黑社会罪犯（及其家人）时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞宣扬（尽最大努力建立自己的影响力）成瘾、酗酒、通奸、欺骗、粗俗、暴力等时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞推动外国宣传时（并让我们相信我们、我们的国家和我们的文化是低劣的），没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞像伪世俗主义或伪自由主义（仅举几个例子）一样成为“伪宣传”的影响力制造机器时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞无法克服它对爱情故事的痴迷时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞（主要是歌曲）提倡裸体，美化跟踪，物化女性（尤其是在歌曲中）时，没有人会有异议。
但当它宣扬民族主义时，人们有异议吗？
What are your views on nationalism in Indian movies?
When Bollywood works for glorifying underworld criminals (and their families) no one has problem with it.
When Bollywood promotes (tries it's best to build their influence) addiction, alcoholism, adultery, cheating, vulgarism, violence etc no one has problem with it.
When Bollywood promotes foreign propaganda (and making us believe that we, our nation, our culture is inferior) no one has a problem with it.
When Bollywood works as influence building machine for "Pseudo Propagandas" like pseudo secularism or pseudo liberalism (just a few to name) no one has a problem with it.
When Bollywood is not able to overcome it’s obsession for love stories no one has a problem with it.
When Bollywood (mainly songs) promotes nudity, glorifies stalking, obxtifies women (especially in songs) no one has problem.
But people have problem when it promotes Nationalism?
你对印度电影中的民族主义有什么看法？
当宝莱坞致力于美化黑社会罪犯（及其家人）时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞宣扬（尽最大努力建立自己的影响力）成瘾、酗酒、通奸、欺骗、粗俗、暴力等时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞推动外国宣传时（并让我们相信我们、我们的国家和我们的文化是低劣的），没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞像伪世俗主义或伪自由主义（仅举几个例子）一样成为“伪宣传”的影响力制造机器时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞无法克服它对爱情故事的痴迷时，没有人对此有异议。
当宝莱坞（主要是歌曲）提倡裸体，美化跟踪，物化女性（尤其是在歌曲中）时，没有人会有异议。
但当它宣扬民族主义时，人们有异议吗？
Bollywood is a brainwashing and influence building machine. Let's take a simple example. Parents, doctors, teachers etc try hard to teach their children about how harmful a cold drink could be for their health. On other hand the riches of the nation who invest both in movies and the advertising industry play things nicely. The movies are sufficient to build an influence of the actors/actresses. The influence is so high that many people start following these celebrities . Yes if you like their acting you follow them that's obviously fair but these movie celebrities start behaving as persons who expertise in everything and should give their opinions on every topic. Now these guys are used for promoting the same cold drink. A hell lot of their followers just like to copy these guys and feel themselves are being modern (and intellectual) by doing that.
Even the worst part is your parents could be cooking food at home which could be far better for your health (and costs them less) but kids still do fall for the outside burgers and all which could be ruining their health (as well as being costly).
宝莱坞是一台洗脑和建立影响力的机器。让我们举一个简单的例子。父母、医生、老师等都努力教导孩子冷饮对健康的危害。另一方面，这个国家的富人同时投资电影和广告行业，并很吃香。这些电影足以对演员产生影响。影响力非常之大，以至于很多人开始关注这些名人。是的，如果你喜欢他们的表演，你就跟随他们，这显然是公平的，但这些电影明星开始表现得像精通所有事情一样，对每个话题都去发表自己的看法。现在这些家伙被用来推销同样的冷饮。他们的很多追随者完全喜欢模仿这些家伙，并觉得自己这样做是现代的（和理智的）。
最糟糕的是，你的父母可能会在家做饭，这对你的健康更有益(而且花费更少)，但孩子们仍然会爱上外面的汉堡，所有这些都可能会损害他们的健康(也很昂贵)。
Even the worst part is your parents could be cooking food at home which could be far better for your health (and costs them less) but kids still do fall for the outside burgers and all which could be ruining their health (as well as being costly).
宝莱坞是一台洗脑和建立影响力的机器。让我们举一个简单的例子。父母、医生、老师等都努力教导孩子冷饮对健康的危害。另一方面，这个国家的富人同时投资电影和广告行业，并很吃香。这些电影足以对演员产生影响。影响力非常之大，以至于很多人开始关注这些名人。是的，如果你喜欢他们的表演，你就跟随他们，这显然是公平的，但这些电影明星开始表现得像精通所有事情一样，对每个话题都去发表自己的看法。现在这些家伙被用来推销同样的冷饮。他们的很多追随者完全喜欢模仿这些家伙，并觉得自己这样做是现代的（和理智的）。
最糟糕的是，你的父母可能会在家做饭，这对你的健康更有益(而且花费更少)，但孩子们仍然会爱上外面的汉堡，所有这些都可能会损害他们的健康(也很昂贵)。
The Bollywood (plus the paid news industry) are too horrible in building influence. Let me give an example : An 18 year old guy who creates the smallest satellite was not featured on main TV channels but a small kid Taimur keeps featuring there. Can someone tell me what is the contribution of Taimur in our society? The thing is just because his parents are celebrities so he should have an influence (and later that influence will be used in advertising industry). In fact nepotism is successful in bollywood because of the influence building of families and relatives of it’s celebrities.
Before talking about nationalism in movies let's remove the nationalism related movies and try to analyse Bollywood movies ones. Let's try to see what most of them have been teaching us and focusing on!
Concept of influence building in society by our movies :
宝莱坞（加上付费新闻行业）在建立影响力方面太可怕了。让我举一个例子：一个18岁的家伙创造了最小的卫星，却没有出现在主要的电视频道上，但一个名叫泰穆尔的小伙子却一直出现在那里。有人能告诉我泰穆尔对我们社会的贡献是什么吗？这只是因为他的父母都是名人，所以他应该有影响力（后来这种影响力将用于广告业）。事实上，裙带关系在宝莱坞之所以成功，是因为名人的家庭和亲属的影响力。
在谈论电影中的民族主义之前，让我们先去掉与民族主义相关的电影，并尝试分析一些宝莱坞电影。让我们试着看看他们中的大多数人一直在教我们什么，并专注于什么！
通过我们的电影在社会中建立影响力的概念：
Before talking about nationalism in movies let's remove the nationalism related movies and try to analyse Bollywood movies ones. Let's try to see what most of them have been teaching us and focusing on!
Concept of influence building in society by our movies :
宝莱坞（加上付费新闻行业）在建立影响力方面太可怕了。让我举一个例子：一个18岁的家伙创造了最小的卫星，却没有出现在主要的电视频道上，但一个名叫泰穆尔的小伙子却一直出现在那里。有人能告诉我泰穆尔对我们社会的贡献是什么吗？这只是因为他的父母都是名人，所以他应该有影响力（后来这种影响力将用于广告业）。事实上，裙带关系在宝莱坞之所以成功，是因为名人的家庭和亲属的影响力。
在谈论电影中的民族主义之前，让我们先去掉与民族主义相关的电影，并尝试分析一些宝莱坞电影。让我们试着看看他们中的大多数人一直在教我们什么，并专注于什么！
通过我们的电影在社会中建立影响力的概念：
If you are cool enough you will have your influence in society ! People will be turning your fans !
How great is that ! Right ? Teach our child that society respects those who behave too cool (i have no idea what logic it has but I have seen the new generations following the concept in their schools, colleges etc).
Your education, the books you read, the real intellectuals and everything else that focuses on the fact that we should respect those who revolutionized the human race or those who fought for their nations or society are all wastage of time but the movies that just focus on respecting others for the being cool and stylish are considered as turning us into MODERN being.
The obsession of Bollywood with LOVE stories :
There is a girl and a boy who fall in love with each other. Either their parents are enemies or parents of one are rich while the other are poor. And then at last the UNPREDICTABLE happens! Yeah i know you have already guessed it - They do get married at last.
如果你足够酷，你就会在社会上有你的影响力!人们会变成你的粉丝!
多棒啊！正确的教育我们的孩子，社会尊重那些行为过于酷的人（我不知道这有什么逻辑，但我看到在学校、大学等新一代人遵循这一概念）。
你接受的教育，你读的书，真正的知识分子和聚焦于尊重那些为人类革命或为国家或社会而战的人的其它一切事物，都是在浪费时间，但认为那些只需要尊重他人酷和时尚的电影把我们变成了现代人。
宝莱坞对爱情故事的痴迷:
有一个女孩和一个男孩相爱了。他们的父母要么是敌人，要么是一方富有而另一方父母贫穷。最后，不可预知的事情发生了!是的，我知道你已经猜到了——他们最后真的结婚了。
How great is that ! Right ? Teach our child that society respects those who behave too cool (i have no idea what logic it has but I have seen the new generations following the concept in their schools, colleges etc).
Your education, the books you read, the real intellectuals and everything else that focuses on the fact that we should respect those who revolutionized the human race or those who fought for their nations or society are all wastage of time but the movies that just focus on respecting others for the being cool and stylish are considered as turning us into MODERN being.
The obsession of Bollywood with LOVE stories :
There is a girl and a boy who fall in love with each other. Either their parents are enemies or parents of one are rich while the other are poor. And then at last the UNPREDICTABLE happens! Yeah i know you have already guessed it - They do get married at last.
如果你足够酷，你就会在社会上有你的影响力!人们会变成你的粉丝!
多棒啊！正确的教育我们的孩子，社会尊重那些行为过于酷的人（我不知道这有什么逻辑，但我看到在学校、大学等新一代人遵循这一概念）。
你接受的教育，你读的书，真正的知识分子和聚焦于尊重那些为人类革命或为国家或社会而战的人的其它一切事物，都是在浪费时间，但认为那些只需要尊重他人酷和时尚的电影把我们变成了现代人。
宝莱坞对爱情故事的痴迷:
有一个女孩和一个男孩相爱了。他们的父母要么是敌人，要么是一方富有而另一方父母贫穷。最后，不可预知的事情发生了!是的，我知道你已经猜到了——他们最后真的结婚了。
And what wrong you find in Nationalism in movies? What wrong have they been teaching us ?
These movies focus on the facts like: Army persons have very hard life, they perform their duty even in horrible locations, nation is secure from opponents and terrorists because of our army and so they deserve respect. Is there something wrong in that? Other concepts involve showing us how difficult the lives of agents is and what all they have to through and we must respect them. Is there something wrong in that? respecting those honest and hardworking persons in our administration or better say in any department. So what is wrong in that?
你觉得电影里的民族主义有什么不妥之处？它们教给了我们什么不对的东西？
这些电影通常会强调一些事实，比如军人的生活非常艰苦，他们即使在恶劣的环境中也要执行任务，国家因为有了我们的军队而免受敌对势力和恐怖分子的侵害，所以他们值得尊重。这有什么不妥之处吗？
还有其他的概念，比如向我们展示了特工们的生活有多艰难，他们都要经历些什么，如此我们必须尊重他们，那么这其中有什么不妥之处吗？尊重那些在我们的行政部门或在任何部门工作的诚实和勤奋的人，那么这其中有什么不妥之处呢？
These movies focus on the facts like: Army persons have very hard life, they perform their duty even in horrible locations, nation is secure from opponents and terrorists because of our army and so they deserve respect. Is there something wrong in that? Other concepts involve showing us how difficult the lives of agents is and what all they have to through and we must respect them. Is there something wrong in that? respecting those honest and hardworking persons in our administration or better say in any department. So what is wrong in that?
你觉得电影里的民族主义有什么不妥之处？它们教给了我们什么不对的东西？
这些电影通常会强调一些事实，比如军人的生活非常艰苦，他们即使在恶劣的环境中也要执行任务，国家因为有了我们的军队而免受敌对势力和恐怖分子的侵害，所以他们值得尊重。这有什么不妥之处吗？
还有其他的概念，比如向我们展示了特工们的生活有多艰难，他们都要经历些什么，如此我们必须尊重他们，那么这其中有什么不妥之处吗？尊重那些在我们的行政部门或在任何部门工作的诚实和勤奋的人，那么这其中有什么不妥之处呢？
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