印度的民族主义是什么?（一）
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What is nationalism in india?
印度的民族主义是什么?
印度的民族主义是什么?
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Archit Chaturvedi
What is your idea of nationalism in India?
Disclaimer- The following doesn’t intend to hurt the sentiments of anyone.
The day when we don’t have to shout to prove our patriotism, that will be the day when we’ll be truly patriotic.
The day when we stop taking pride in our country not only on republic day or independence day, but every day of the year, that will be the day when we’ll truly be patriotic.
The day when we actually acknowledge that we have problems and still have a long way to go, is the day we become truly patriotic.
The day when instead of labelling critics as anti-nationals, we actually listen to them and make our logical conclusions, will we be truly patriotic.
The day when we make assumptions on our fellow Indians based on their skills and potential, and not on any factors pertaining to creed, caste , race or religion, that will be the day we’ll truly be patriotic.
你对印度的民族主义有什么看法？
免责声明-以下内容无意伤害任何人的感情。
当我们不必大喊大叫来证明我们的爱国主义的那一天，我们将真正爱国。
当我们不再在共和国日或独立日为我们的国家感到骄傲而是在一年中的每一天都为我们的国家感到骄傲的那一天，那将是我们真正爱国的日子。
当我们真正承认我们有问题，还有很长的路要走的那一天，就是我们真正爱国的那一刻。
有一天，我们不会给批评者贴上反国民的标签，而是真正倾听他们的意见，并得出合乎逻辑的结论，我们会真正爱国吗。
当我们根据印度同胞的技能和潜力，而不是根据任何与信仰、种姓、种族或宗教有关的因素，对他们做出假设的那一天，我们才会真正爱国。
What is your idea of nationalism in India?
Disclaimer- The following doesn’t intend to hurt the sentiments of anyone.
The day when we don’t have to shout to prove our patriotism, that will be the day when we’ll be truly patriotic.
The day when we stop taking pride in our country not only on republic day or independence day, but every day of the year, that will be the day when we’ll truly be patriotic.
The day when we actually acknowledge that we have problems and still have a long way to go, is the day we become truly patriotic.
The day when instead of labelling critics as anti-nationals, we actually listen to them and make our logical conclusions, will we be truly patriotic.
The day when we make assumptions on our fellow Indians based on their skills and potential, and not on any factors pertaining to creed, caste , race or religion, that will be the day we’ll truly be patriotic.
你对印度的民族主义有什么看法？
免责声明-以下内容无意伤害任何人的感情。
当我们不必大喊大叫来证明我们的爱国主义的那一天，我们将真正爱国。
当我们不再在共和国日或独立日为我们的国家感到骄傲而是在一年中的每一天都为我们的国家感到骄傲的那一天，那将是我们真正爱国的日子。
当我们真正承认我们有问题，还有很长的路要走的那一天，就是我们真正爱国的那一刻。
有一天，我们不会给批评者贴上反国民的标签，而是真正倾听他们的意见，并得出合乎逻辑的结论，我们会真正爱国吗。
当我们根据印度同胞的技能和潜力，而不是根据任何与信仰、种姓、种族或宗教有关的因素，对他们做出假设的那一天，我们才会真正爱国。
The day when we truly respect law and order and follow the simplest and most intricate of rules, is when we’ll truly be patriotic.
The day when we stop trying to compare our country to our neighbouring nations ( most people know which nation I’m talking about) as a metric of our development, and instead focus on ground realities, is when we’ll truly be patriotic.
The day when we understand that by merely standing during our national anthem isn’t better than sitting, but instead actually respecting the ideals of the national anthem, and upholding our strong principles of ethics and justice is a better alternative, is the day when we truly become patriotic.
The day when we don’t let our surging pride for our nation interfere with globalisation, is the day we truly become patriotic.
The day when amidst the rapid globalisation, we don’t forget our culture and traditions and respect them, is the day when we become truly patriotic.
The day when instead of blatantly criticising or incessantly praising the government, we think logically and rationally about various policies, is the day we truly become patriotic.
当我们真正尊重法律和秩序，遵守最简单、最复杂的规则的那一天，就是我们真正爱国的时候。
当我们不再试图将我们的国家与邻国（大多数人知道我说的是哪个国家）作为衡量我们发展的指标，而是关注实际情况时，我们才会真正爱国。
当我们明白唱国歌时仅仅站着并不比坐着好，而是真正尊重国歌的理想，坚持我们强烈的道德和正义原则是更好的选择的那一天，那就是我们真正爱国的那一天。
当我们不让高涨的民族自豪感干扰全球化的那一天，就是我们真正成为爱国主义者的那一天。
当我们在快速的全球化中不忘记自己的文化和传统并尊重它们的时候，我们就会成为真正的爱国主义者。
当我们不再明目张心地批评政府，不再滔滔不绝地赞扬政府，而是理性地思考各种政策的时候，我们才是真正爱国的时候。
The day when we stop trying to compare our country to our neighbouring nations ( most people know which nation I’m talking about) as a metric of our development, and instead focus on ground realities, is when we’ll truly be patriotic.
The day when we understand that by merely standing during our national anthem isn’t better than sitting, but instead actually respecting the ideals of the national anthem, and upholding our strong principles of ethics and justice is a better alternative, is the day when we truly become patriotic.
The day when we don’t let our surging pride for our nation interfere with globalisation, is the day we truly become patriotic.
The day when amidst the rapid globalisation, we don’t forget our culture and traditions and respect them, is the day when we become truly patriotic.
The day when instead of blatantly criticising or incessantly praising the government, we think logically and rationally about various policies, is the day we truly become patriotic.
当我们真正尊重法律和秩序，遵守最简单、最复杂的规则的那一天，就是我们真正爱国的时候。
当我们不再试图将我们的国家与邻国（大多数人知道我说的是哪个国家）作为衡量我们发展的指标，而是关注实际情况时，我们才会真正爱国。
当我们明白唱国歌时仅仅站着并不比坐着好，而是真正尊重国歌的理想，坚持我们强烈的道德和正义原则是更好的选择的那一天，那就是我们真正爱国的那一天。
当我们不让高涨的民族自豪感干扰全球化的那一天，就是我们真正成为爱国主义者的那一天。
当我们在快速的全球化中不忘记自己的文化和传统并尊重它们的时候，我们就会成为真正的爱国主义者。
当我们不再明目张心地批评政府，不再滔滔不绝地赞扬政府，而是理性地思考各种政策的时候，我们才是真正爱国的时候。
Khushtar Sahil
If you speak against failed demonetization, it’s wrong.
If you speak against complex GST structure, it’s wrong.
If you speak against falling GDP, it’s wrong.
If you speak against education getting expensive, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the faltering economy, it’s wrong.
If you speak against rising inflation, it’s wrong.
If you speak against escalating hatred, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the downtrodding character of politicians, it’s wrong.
如果你反对失败的废钞运动，那就错了。
如果你反对复杂的商品及服务税结构，那就错了。
如果你反对GDP下降，那就错了。
如果你反对教育变得昂贵，那就错了。
如果你反对摇摇欲坠的经济，那就错了。
如果你反对不断上升的通货膨胀，那就错了。
如果你反对不断升级的仇恨，那就错了。
如果你反对政客的压迫性，那就错了。
If you speak against failed demonetization, it’s wrong.
If you speak against complex GST structure, it’s wrong.
If you speak against falling GDP, it’s wrong.
If you speak against education getting expensive, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the faltering economy, it’s wrong.
If you speak against rising inflation, it’s wrong.
If you speak against escalating hatred, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the downtrodding character of politicians, it’s wrong.
如果你反对失败的废钞运动，那就错了。
如果你反对复杂的商品及服务税结构，那就错了。
如果你反对GDP下降，那就错了。
如果你反对教育变得昂贵，那就错了。
如果你反对摇摇欲坠的经济，那就错了。
如果你反对不断上升的通货膨胀，那就错了。
如果你反对不断升级的仇恨，那就错了。
如果你反对政客的压迫性，那就错了。
If you speak against media trial, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the frail value of Indian Rupee, it’s wrong.
If you speak against income disparity, it’s wrong.
If you speak against leaders not upholding the interests of civilians, it’s wrong.
If you speak against low farmers’ income, it’s wrong.
If you speak against abuse of power, it’s wrong.
If you speak against moral policing, it’s wrong.
If you speak against leaders joking around with constitutional values, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the failure of ‘Make in India’, it’s wrong.
如果你反对媒体审判，那就错了。
如果你反对印度卢比脆弱的价值，那就错了。
如果你反对收入差距，那就错了。
如果你反对领导人不维护平民利益，那就错了。
如果你反对农民收入低，那就错了。
如果你反对滥用权力，那就错了。
如果你反对道德监管，那就错了。
如果你反对领导人拿宪法价值开玩笑，那就错了。
如果你反对“印度制造”的失败，那就错了。
If you speak against the frail value of Indian Rupee, it’s wrong.
If you speak against income disparity, it’s wrong.
If you speak against leaders not upholding the interests of civilians, it’s wrong.
If you speak against low farmers’ income, it’s wrong.
If you speak against abuse of power, it’s wrong.
If you speak against moral policing, it’s wrong.
If you speak against leaders joking around with constitutional values, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the failure of ‘Make in India’, it’s wrong.
如果你反对媒体审判，那就错了。
如果你反对印度卢比脆弱的价值，那就错了。
如果你反对收入差距，那就错了。
如果你反对领导人不维护平民利益，那就错了。
如果你反对农民收入低，那就错了。
如果你反对滥用权力，那就错了。
如果你反对道德监管，那就错了。
如果你反对领导人拿宪法价值开玩笑，那就错了。
如果你反对“印度制造”的失败，那就错了。
If you speak against leaders not focussing on real matters, it’s wrong.
If you speak against rape accused leaders, it’s wrong.
If you speak against MPs with a criminal background, it’s wrong.
If you speak against oppression against the weak, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the poor not being heard, it’s wrong.
If you speak against unnecessary expenditures, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the game of power, it’s wrong.
This is nationalism in India.
Speak against anything, you will be reminded how India attacked Pakistan. Be vocal about faulty Govt. policies, you will be reminded how our soldiers are struggling in Siachin glacier. Speak against Govt., you will be labeled ‘anti-national’.
如果你反对领导人不关注实际问题，那就错了。
如果你反对被指控强奸的领导人，那就错了。
如果你反对有犯罪背景的议员，那就错了。
如果你反对压迫弱者，那就错了。
如果你反对穷人不被倾听，那就错了。
如果你反对不必要的支出，那就错了。
如果你反对权力游戏，那就错了。
这就是印度的民族主义。
反对任何事情，你都会被提醒印度是如何袭击巴基斯坦的。大声批评政府错误的政策，你会被提醒我们的士兵是如何在锡亚钦冰川上挣扎的。如果说你反对政府，你就会被贴上“反国家利益”的标签。
If you speak against rape accused leaders, it’s wrong.
If you speak against MPs with a criminal background, it’s wrong.
If you speak against oppression against the weak, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the poor not being heard, it’s wrong.
If you speak against unnecessary expenditures, it’s wrong.
If you speak against the game of power, it’s wrong.
This is nationalism in India.
Speak against anything, you will be reminded how India attacked Pakistan. Be vocal about faulty Govt. policies, you will be reminded how our soldiers are struggling in Siachin glacier. Speak against Govt., you will be labeled ‘anti-national’.
如果你反对领导人不关注实际问题，那就错了。
如果你反对被指控强奸的领导人，那就错了。
如果你反对有犯罪背景的议员，那就错了。
如果你反对压迫弱者，那就错了。
如果你反对穷人不被倾听，那就错了。
如果你反对不必要的支出，那就错了。
如果你反对权力游戏，那就错了。
这就是印度的民族主义。
反对任何事情，你都会被提醒印度是如何袭击巴基斯坦的。大声批评政府错误的政策，你会被提醒我们的士兵是如何在锡亚钦冰川上挣扎的。如果说你反对政府，你就会被贴上“反国家利益”的标签。
Mridul
What is the meaning of nationalism for India?
Thanks for the A2A!!!
From a sociological perspective nationalism is the feeling of the person where he thinks that his country is the best. There is a slight distinction between nationalism and patriotism , while in nationalism the nation is considered almost perfect and people consider it as their duty praise the country, in patriotism people don’t consider their nation to be perfect, rather they believe that the nation could progress if we not only consider our nation superior, but learn from other nation. Therefore in nationalism the concept of nations superiority is there, while in patriotism the nation is not considered superior to any other nation, rather it focuses on learning from other nations for its development.
Therefore a patriot might allow you to positively criticize your nation, while a nationalist won’t allow you to do so. One of the greatest example for nationalism can be America, people almost consider it to be a sin to criticize the nation and consider it to be inferior to some other nation (Note that there is a significant difference between criticizing the Government and criticizing the nation, while the Americans would be critical about their government, the same cannot be said for their nation)
民族主义对印度来说意味着什么？
感谢邀请回答
从社会学的角度来看，民族主义是一个人认为自己的国家是最好的感觉。民族主义和爱国主义之间有一点区别，在民族主义的人看来，国家被认为几乎是完美的，人们认为赞美国家是他们的责任；在爱国主义的人看来，人们不认为自己的国家是完美的；相反，他们相信，如果我们不仅认为自己的民族优越，而且向其他民族学习，国家就会进步。因此，在民族主义的人看来，民族优越的概念是存在的，而在爱国主义的人看来，国家并不被认为比任何其他国家都优越，而是专注于向其他国家学习以促进其发展。
因此，一个爱国者可能会允许你积极地批评你的国家，而一个民族主义者不会允许你这样做。民族主义的最盛的一个例子就是美国，人们几乎认为批评国家和认为它不如其他国家是一种罪恶（请注意，“批评政府”和“批评国家”之间是有很大的区别，而对美国人而言，可以批评他们的政府，但不能去批评他们国家）
What is the meaning of nationalism for India?
Thanks for the A2A!!!
From a sociological perspective nationalism is the feeling of the person where he thinks that his country is the best. There is a slight distinction between nationalism and patriotism , while in nationalism the nation is considered almost perfect and people consider it as their duty praise the country, in patriotism people don’t consider their nation to be perfect, rather they believe that the nation could progress if we not only consider our nation superior, but learn from other nation. Therefore in nationalism the concept of nations superiority is there, while in patriotism the nation is not considered superior to any other nation, rather it focuses on learning from other nations for its development.
Therefore a patriot might allow you to positively criticize your nation, while a nationalist won’t allow you to do so. One of the greatest example for nationalism can be America, people almost consider it to be a sin to criticize the nation and consider it to be inferior to some other nation (Note that there is a significant difference between criticizing the Government and criticizing the nation, while the Americans would be critical about their government, the same cannot be said for their nation)
民族主义对印度来说意味着什么？
感谢邀请回答
从社会学的角度来看，民族主义是一个人认为自己的国家是最好的感觉。民族主义和爱国主义之间有一点区别，在民族主义的人看来，国家被认为几乎是完美的，人们认为赞美国家是他们的责任；在爱国主义的人看来，人们不认为自己的国家是完美的；相反，他们相信，如果我们不仅认为自己的民族优越，而且向其他民族学习，国家就会进步。因此，在民族主义的人看来，民族优越的概念是存在的，而在爱国主义的人看来，国家并不被认为比任何其他国家都优越，而是专注于向其他国家学习以促进其发展。
因此，一个爱国者可能会允许你积极地批评你的国家，而一个民族主义者不会允许你这样做。民族主义的最盛的一个例子就是美国，人们几乎认为批评国家和认为它不如其他国家是一种罪恶（请注意，“批评政府”和“批评国家”之间是有很大的区别，而对美国人而言，可以批评他们的政府，但不能去批评他们国家）
In India, suddenly there has been a transfer from patriotism to nationalism. This cannot be said to be happening be only happening because people are alleging that Modi is “instigating” the people to become nationalist.
There are 3 reasons as to what exactly is the meaning of nationalism in India and why there is a transition from patriotism to nationalism:
The first reason for transition is related to the historic association of the people a the present government. Most of the people associated with the present government have a RSS background. Now RSS was itself an ultra nationalist organization, with the view of creating a caste less and independent government in India.
So therefore the people who have voted for the present government are in someway associating themselves to certain extent with RSS and are almost considering it as a duty to be a nationalist.
在印度，突然之间出现了从爱国主义到民族主义的转变。这不能说发生了，只是因为人们声称莫迪在“煽动”人民成为民族主义者。
关于民族主义在印度的确切含义以及为什么会从爱国主义转变为民族主义，有三个原因：
出现这种转变的第一个原因与人民与现政府的历史联系有关。大多数与现任政府有关联的人都有国民志愿服务团(RSS)背景。现在RSS本身就是一个极端民族主义组织，目的是在印度建立一个没有种姓的独立政府。
因此，投票给现任政府的人在某种程度上与RSS联系在一起，几乎认为这是一种民族主义的义务。
There are 3 reasons as to what exactly is the meaning of nationalism in India and why there is a transition from patriotism to nationalism:
The first reason for transition is related to the historic association of the people a the present government. Most of the people associated with the present government have a RSS background. Now RSS was itself an ultra nationalist organization, with the view of creating a caste less and independent government in India.
So therefore the people who have voted for the present government are in someway associating themselves to certain extent with RSS and are almost considering it as a duty to be a nationalist.
在印度，突然之间出现了从爱国主义到民族主义的转变。这不能说发生了，只是因为人们声称莫迪在“煽动”人民成为民族主义者。
关于民族主义在印度的确切含义以及为什么会从爱国主义转变为民族主义，有三个原因：
出现这种转变的第一个原因与人民与现政府的历史联系有关。大多数与现任政府有关联的人都有国民志愿服务团(RSS)背景。现在RSS本身就是一个极端民族主义组织，目的是在印度建立一个没有种姓的独立政府。
因此，投票给现任政府的人在某种程度上与RSS联系在一起，几乎认为这是一种民族主义的义务。
This is something that is very weird in itself, because in the today's scenario, most of the leaders in BJP are themselves not nationalist, rather they are patriots. This is because if they where nationalists, then why would Modi go all over the world and learn things from their country and try implement it here? Have you ever heard that Obama had gone to the Nordic countries to understand their welfare modal and implement it in USA? No, this is because of the nationalist feeling that he is having their country is perfect the way it is and that they don’t need to learn from other countries.
The second reason for transition is because of the various schemes that are launched in India by the government. Whenever launching a scheme, the present government always tells that “When others are able to do it, why can’t we do it?”, this is the reason why people think that India is not inferior than countries and since Indians themselves have a feeling internally that they are more hardworking and smart when compared to other people, there is a synthesis between the ego of the Indian and the Governmental ideology, which ultimately results in rise of nationalism. So in a way to fix this we must not look at these schemes from a nationalistic perspective and look it from a patriotic perspective.
这件事本身就很奇怪，因为在今天的情况下，印度人民党的大多数领导人本身不是民族主义者，而是爱国者。这是因为，如果他们是民族主义者，那么莫迪为什么要去世界各地向其它国家学习，并试图在这里实施（从其它国家学过来的东西）？你听说过奥巴马去北欧国家了解他们的福利模式并在美国实施吗？没有吧，这是因为民族主义者认为，是他自己让他们的国家变得完美，他们不需要向其他国家学习。
发生转变的第二个原因是印度政府推出了各种计划。无论何时启动一项计划，现任政府总是告诉，“别人能做到，我们为什么不能做到？”这就是为什么人们认为印度并不亚于其他国家的原因，因为印度人自己内心有一种感觉，即与其他人相比，他们更勤奋、更聪明，印度人的自我意识和政府意识形态之间是综合在一起的，最终导致了民族主义的兴起。因此，在某种程度上，要解决这个问题，我们决不能从民族主义的角度看待这些计划，而要从爱国主义的角度来看待。
The second reason for transition is because of the various schemes that are launched in India by the government. Whenever launching a scheme, the present government always tells that “When others are able to do it, why can’t we do it?”, this is the reason why people think that India is not inferior than countries and since Indians themselves have a feeling internally that they are more hardworking and smart when compared to other people, there is a synthesis between the ego of the Indian and the Governmental ideology, which ultimately results in rise of nationalism. So in a way to fix this we must not look at these schemes from a nationalistic perspective and look it from a patriotic perspective.
这件事本身就很奇怪，因为在今天的情况下，印度人民党的大多数领导人本身不是民族主义者，而是爱国者。这是因为，如果他们是民族主义者，那么莫迪为什么要去世界各地向其它国家学习，并试图在这里实施（从其它国家学过来的东西）？你听说过奥巴马去北欧国家了解他们的福利模式并在美国实施吗？没有吧，这是因为民族主义者认为，是他自己让他们的国家变得完美，他们不需要向其他国家学习。
发生转变的第二个原因是印度政府推出了各种计划。无论何时启动一项计划，现任政府总是告诉，“别人能做到，我们为什么不能做到？”这就是为什么人们认为印度并不亚于其他国家的原因，因为印度人自己内心有一种感觉，即与其他人相比，他们更勤奋、更聪明，印度人的自我意识和政府意识形态之间是综合在一起的，最终导致了民族主义的兴起。因此，在某种程度上，要解决这个问题，我们决不能从民族主义的角度看待这些计划，而要从爱国主义的角度来看待。
The third reason is that people have now successfully combined Hinduism with nationalism. So now, because of the crowd mentality phenomena, every Hindu feels it as his responsibility to become a nationalist. This is a very dangerous thing as nationalism on its own leads to arrogance among the citizens regarding their nation, now when we combine religion with nationalism, we will be leading the nation towards arrogant religious fanaticism (Almost similar to what happened in Nazi Germany, or what in fact is happening in Iraq and Syria where non-Muslims are considered anti- nationalist because ISIS has successfully merged religion with nationalism, therefore according to them anyone who does not want a caliphate, is an anti-national).
So what I would like to say is that we must first transit ourselves to being patriotic from being a nationalist, and we must not associate any religion with nationalism/patriotism because it would definitely lead to civil unrest as then both the community would be wasting their time fighting with each other rather than focusing on the betterment of the country, therefore by associating the religion, the whole purpose of nationalism and patriotism will be defeated.
第三个原因是人们现在已经成功地将印度教与民族主义结合起来。因此，现在，由于人群心态现象，每个印度教教徒都觉得成为民族主义者是自己的责任。这是一件非常危险的事情，因为单单民族主义本身就会导致公民看待自己国家方面就会显得傲慢，现在当我们将宗教与民族主义结合起来时，我们将使国家走向傲慢的宗教狂热主义（几乎类似于纳粹德国发生的事情，或者伊拉克和叙利亚正在发生的事情——在那里，非穆斯林被认为是反民族主义的，因为ISIS极端组织已经成功地将宗教与民族主义融合在一起，因此根据他们的说法，任何不支持哈里发国的人都是反国家的）。
因此，我想说的是，我们必须首先从民族主义者转变为爱国主义者，我们不能将任何宗教与民族主义/爱国主义联系在一起，因为这肯定会导致内乱，这样一来，群体双方都会将时间浪费在相互斗争方面，而不是专注于改善国家方面，因此，通过将宗教和民族主义结合起来，整个民族主义和爱国主义的目的将被落空。
So what I would like to say is that we must first transit ourselves to being patriotic from being a nationalist, and we must not associate any religion with nationalism/patriotism because it would definitely lead to civil unrest as then both the community would be wasting their time fighting with each other rather than focusing on the betterment of the country, therefore by associating the religion, the whole purpose of nationalism and patriotism will be defeated.
第三个原因是人们现在已经成功地将印度教与民族主义结合起来。因此，现在，由于人群心态现象，每个印度教教徒都觉得成为民族主义者是自己的责任。这是一件非常危险的事情，因为单单民族主义本身就会导致公民看待自己国家方面就会显得傲慢，现在当我们将宗教与民族主义结合起来时，我们将使国家走向傲慢的宗教狂热主义（几乎类似于纳粹德国发生的事情，或者伊拉克和叙利亚正在发生的事情——在那里，非穆斯林被认为是反民族主义的，因为ISIS极端组织已经成功地将宗教与民族主义融合在一起，因此根据他们的说法，任何不支持哈里发国的人都是反国家的）。
因此，我想说的是，我们必须首先从民族主义者转变为爱国主义者，我们不能将任何宗教与民族主义/爱国主义联系在一起，因为这肯定会导致内乱，这样一来，群体双方都会将时间浪费在相互斗争方面，而不是专注于改善国家方面，因此，通过将宗教和民族主义结合起来，整个民族主义和爱国主义的目的将被落空。
Rounik Talukdar
What is your idea of nationalism in India?
Well for me It is doing my own job responsibly enough that my little contributons can make an impact to benefit my motherland by any means.
Well at least the true meaning of nationalism should be like that only ,it must not be based on facebook , it should not be like well I must change my dp to balck pic to raise a “virual imaginative “ protest . It must not be like lets forget my responsibilities and let's continue bashing my other fellow indians in the name of religion, race,caste
The day we start doing our jobs well jobs means something productive something really contributory to society, Have to mention everything can't take risk cz there will be some1 saying facebook is life nd that's my job,I can't battle that logic.
Anyway I try my best to not to be a facebook patriot , do my own work but ofcourse I am not perfect noone is ,I still manage to take an extra day off my college duty so that's my bad.
So that's something what I feel about nationalism.
你对印度的民族主义有什么看法？
好吧，对我来说，就是负责任地做好自己的工作，这样我的一点点贡献无论如何都能产生影响，造福祖国。
至少真正的民族主义应该是这样的，它不应该只停留在Facebook上，也不应该像是改变个人资料图片为黑色来进行一场"虚拟想象的"抗议。它不应该让我们忘记自己的责任，继续以宗教、种族或种姓的名义抨击其他印度同胞
当我们开始认真履行我们的职责，将工作变得富有成效、真正有助于社会时，那一天就到了。必须提及的是，我不能承担风险，因为总会有人说Facebook就是生活，那就是我的工作，我无法反驳这个逻辑。
无论如何，我尽力不成为一个"Facebook爱国者"，专注于自己的工作，但当然我并不完美，也没有人是完美的。我仍然设法在大学多休一天假，这是我不好的地方。
这就是我对民族主义的看法。
What is your idea of nationalism in India?
Well for me It is doing my own job responsibly enough that my little contributons can make an impact to benefit my motherland by any means.
Well at least the true meaning of nationalism should be like that only ,it must not be based on facebook , it should not be like well I must change my dp to balck pic to raise a “virual imaginative “ protest . It must not be like lets forget my responsibilities and let's continue bashing my other fellow indians in the name of religion, race,caste
The day we start doing our jobs well jobs means something productive something really contributory to society, Have to mention everything can't take risk cz there will be some1 saying facebook is life nd that's my job,I can't battle that logic.
Anyway I try my best to not to be a facebook patriot , do my own work but ofcourse I am not perfect noone is ,I still manage to take an extra day off my college duty so that's my bad.
So that's something what I feel about nationalism.
你对印度的民族主义有什么看法？
好吧，对我来说，就是负责任地做好自己的工作，这样我的一点点贡献无论如何都能产生影响，造福祖国。
至少真正的民族主义应该是这样的，它不应该只停留在Facebook上，也不应该像是改变个人资料图片为黑色来进行一场"虚拟想象的"抗议。它不应该让我们忘记自己的责任，继续以宗教、种族或种姓的名义抨击其他印度同胞
当我们开始认真履行我们的职责，将工作变得富有成效、真正有助于社会时，那一天就到了。必须提及的是，我不能承担风险，因为总会有人说Facebook就是生活，那就是我的工作，我无法反驳这个逻辑。
无论如何，我尽力不成为一个"Facebook爱国者"，专注于自己的工作，但当然我并不完美，也没有人是完美的。我仍然设法在大学多休一天假，这是我不好的地方。
这就是我对民族主义的看法。
Ajay Singh
What is the need of patriotism and nationalism in India?
When I was a child, I was extremely inspired by two events. I used to imagine the words, states, mountains and rivers in our National Anthem. it was a regular exercise to remind me that I am part of one of the greatest civilisation and fabulous geography.I used to uate that why should be I thankful to my nation ? And used to clarify y my doubts in the same sacred Mantras of National Anthem. After my school days I missed this daily exercise, which I enjoyed a lot.
Second scenario was to see 2 songs completely and that too also on habitual basis :-
Mile sur mera tumhara, to sur bane hamara - The song depicts the demographic, ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of India.
Vandematram by Lata Mangeskar (Especially the line - “Hai hame jana kaha or chale hain kaha se hum…JANA HAI TAARO SE AAGE..”
I related the 2 incidents of my life, when I saw this question. Actually there exist a singificant difference in nationalism and patriotism. Moreover, the requisites of nationalism and patriotism is also different. The first incident was all about nationalism i.e. nationalism is for LAND and NATURAL RESOURCES. Whereas Patriotism deals with PEOPLE and CULTURE. We have enough studies about nationalism in our NCERT books, that how it led to Indian independence. But one thing was noteworthy in the texts that Indian nationalism was different from the European one, we visioned and inclusive Vasudhevkutumbakam based India, we never differentiated people on colour and creed. So, Nationalism is desired to bind the society to achieve a common goal i.e. better use of National natural resources, though the participants are from different backgrounds. Then what about patriotism ? Patriotism is bit emotional feeling. It deals with a fraternity among countrymen. When Indian PM said that “2022 tak, jab Bharat ko azaad hue 75 saal ho jayenge, Bharat ki BETI ya BETA antriksh ( space) me TIRANGA laharaayega “, this makes to sense the Patriotism. I can any of my Indian sister and brother in the word ‘Bharat ki BETI ya BETA ‘. Moreover, its the same feeling of patriotism, that ISRO is guided for one more miracle of Gaganyaan. The feeling of patriotism can make scientists and technicians in mission to work beyond the official timing
Our action flow from the words and the words are manifestation of our attitude about the things.Hence attitude is building block of behavior. The more we indulge in the exercise of attitude building for nations’s uplifment, the more we feel the word INDIA or BHARAT. So, Nationalism and patriotism are needed for progressive and visionary attitude for nation’s geographic and demographic diversity.
印度需要爱国主义和民族主义吗?
当我还是个孩子的时候，两件事给了我极大的启发。我曾经想象过我们国歌中的单词、邦、山和河。这是一次定期的锻炼，提醒我：我是最伟大的文明和神奇的地理之一的一部分。我曾经评价说，我为什么要感谢我的国家？还曾用国歌的神圣祷文来澄清我的疑惑。在我的学生时代之后，我错过了这种我非常喜欢的日常练习。
第二个场景是完整地看两首歌，这也是基于习惯：
“Mile sur mera tumhara, to sur bane hamara”——这首歌描绘了印度的人口、种族、文化和宗教多样性。
歌手拉塔.满吉喜卡(Lata Mangeshkar)的Vandematram（尤其是这句歌词：“Hai hame jana kaha或chale hain kaha se hum…jana Hai TAARO se AAGE…”）
当我看到这个问题时，我把我生活中的两件事联系起来。实际上，民族主义和爱国主义是有显著区别的。此外，民族主义和爱国主义的必要条件也是不同的。第一个事件是关于民族主义的，即民族主义是为了土地和自然资源。而爱国主义涉及人和文化。我们在国家教育研究和培训理事会 （NCERT）的书中有足够的关于民族主义的研究，它是如何导致印度独立的。但有一点值得注意，在文本中，印度民族主义与欧洲民族主义不同，我们以“世界是一个家庭”（Vasudhevkutumbakam 印度版的‘天下大同）为基础，设想并包容了印度，我们从未在肤色和信仰上区分人民因此，虽然参与者来自不同的背景，但民族主义是希望将社会结合起来实现一个共同的目标，即更好地利用国家的自然资源。那么爱国主义呢?爱国主义是一种感情。它讲的是同胞之间的友爱。当印度总理说“到2022年，当印度庆祝独立75周年时，印度的女儿或儿子将在太空中展开三色旗。”时，爱国主义是有意义的。我可以用‘Bharat ki BETI ya BETA’这个词来形容任何一个印度儿女。此外，也是出于同样的爱国主义，印度空间研究组织（ISRO）被引导着去创造另一个“首次载人航天任务——“加冈扬”(Gaganyaan)”奇迹。。这种爱国主义的情感可以让执行任务的科学家和技术人员在官方时间之外继续工作。
我们的行动源于语言，而语言则体现了我们对事物的态度。因此，态度是行为的基石。我们越是沉迷于为国家的提升而建立态度，我们就越能感受到印度（ INDIA ）或巴拉特（BHARAT）这个词。因此，民族主义和爱国主义需要对国家的地理和人口多样性采取逐步发展的和有远见的态度。
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What is the need of patriotism and nationalism in India?
When I was a child, I was extremely inspired by two events. I used to imagine the words, states, mountains and rivers in our National Anthem. it was a regular exercise to remind me that I am part of one of the greatest civilisation and fabulous geography.I used to uate that why should be I thankful to my nation ? And used to clarify y my doubts in the same sacred Mantras of National Anthem. After my school days I missed this daily exercise, which I enjoyed a lot.
Second scenario was to see 2 songs completely and that too also on habitual basis :-
Mile sur mera tumhara, to sur bane hamara - The song depicts the demographic, ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of India.
Vandematram by Lata Mangeskar (Especially the line - “Hai hame jana kaha or chale hain kaha se hum…JANA HAI TAARO SE AAGE..”
I related the 2 incidents of my life, when I saw this question. Actually there exist a singificant difference in nationalism and patriotism. Moreover, the requisites of nationalism and patriotism is also different. The first incident was all about nationalism i.e. nationalism is for LAND and NATURAL RESOURCES. Whereas Patriotism deals with PEOPLE and CULTURE. We have enough studies about nationalism in our NCERT books, that how it led to Indian independence. But one thing was noteworthy in the texts that Indian nationalism was different from the European one, we visioned and inclusive Vasudhevkutumbakam based India, we never differentiated people on colour and creed. So, Nationalism is desired to bind the society to achieve a common goal i.e. better use of National natural resources, though the participants are from different backgrounds. Then what about patriotism ? Patriotism is bit emotional feeling. It deals with a fraternity among countrymen. When Indian PM said that “2022 tak, jab Bharat ko azaad hue 75 saal ho jayenge, Bharat ki BETI ya BETA antriksh ( space) me TIRANGA laharaayega “, this makes to sense the Patriotism. I can any of my Indian sister and brother in the word ‘Bharat ki BETI ya BETA ‘. Moreover, its the same feeling of patriotism, that ISRO is guided for one more miracle of Gaganyaan. The feeling of patriotism can make scientists and technicians in mission to work beyond the official timing
Our action flow from the words and the words are manifestation of our attitude about the things.Hence attitude is building block of behavior. The more we indulge in the exercise of attitude building for nations’s uplifment, the more we feel the word INDIA or BHARAT. So, Nationalism and patriotism are needed for progressive and visionary attitude for nation’s geographic and demographic diversity.
印度需要爱国主义和民族主义吗?
当我还是个孩子的时候，两件事给了我极大的启发。我曾经想象过我们国歌中的单词、邦、山和河。这是一次定期的锻炼，提醒我：我是最伟大的文明和神奇的地理之一的一部分。我曾经评价说，我为什么要感谢我的国家？还曾用国歌的神圣祷文来澄清我的疑惑。在我的学生时代之后，我错过了这种我非常喜欢的日常练习。
第二个场景是完整地看两首歌，这也是基于习惯：
“Mile sur mera tumhara, to sur bane hamara”——这首歌描绘了印度的人口、种族、文化和宗教多样性。
歌手拉塔.满吉喜卡(Lata Mangeshkar)的Vandematram（尤其是这句歌词：“Hai hame jana kaha或chale hain kaha se hum…jana Hai TAARO se AAGE…”）
当我看到这个问题时，我把我生活中的两件事联系起来。实际上，民族主义和爱国主义是有显著区别的。此外，民族主义和爱国主义的必要条件也是不同的。第一个事件是关于民族主义的，即民族主义是为了土地和自然资源。而爱国主义涉及人和文化。我们在国家教育研究和培训理事会 （NCERT）的书中有足够的关于民族主义的研究，它是如何导致印度独立的。但有一点值得注意，在文本中，印度民族主义与欧洲民族主义不同，我们以“世界是一个家庭”（Vasudhevkutumbakam 印度版的‘天下大同）为基础，设想并包容了印度，我们从未在肤色和信仰上区分人民因此，虽然参与者来自不同的背景，但民族主义是希望将社会结合起来实现一个共同的目标，即更好地利用国家的自然资源。那么爱国主义呢?爱国主义是一种感情。它讲的是同胞之间的友爱。当印度总理说“到2022年，当印度庆祝独立75周年时，印度的女儿或儿子将在太空中展开三色旗。”时，爱国主义是有意义的。我可以用‘Bharat ki BETI ya BETA’这个词来形容任何一个印度儿女。此外，也是出于同样的爱国主义，印度空间研究组织（ISRO）被引导着去创造另一个“首次载人航天任务——“加冈扬”(Gaganyaan)”奇迹。。这种爱国主义的情感可以让执行任务的科学家和技术人员在官方时间之外继续工作。
我们的行动源于语言，而语言则体现了我们对事物的态度。因此，态度是行为的基石。我们越是沉迷于为国家的提升而建立态度，我们就越能感受到印度（ INDIA ）或巴拉特（BHARAT）这个词。因此，民族主义和爱国主义需要对国家的地理和人口多样性采取逐步发展的和有远见的态度。
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Ramaswamy Subramanian
What exactly is the idea of Nationalism in India?
I presume that the question has been asked in the light of various incidents that have taken place in India recently- especially those in educational institutions such as JNU, JU, and FTII.
It would not be wrong to say that apart from a few individuals and groups, nationalism is seen as a desirable value and character trait by most Indians. In other words, there seems to be a consensus over the fact that Indians need to be nationalist. The crucial detail, however, that often leads to conflict and considerable social churning around the question of nationalism concerns the nature and characteristic of such nationalism. At this level, multiple and mutually opposed views exist in India about the nature of nationalism that Indians should practice. Given below is a brief outline of some of the major patterns and tendencies of these views:
01. The conservative view: The conservatives are of the opinion that Indians should express an unreserved adoration of and pride for their nation- its people and its symbols. They are often criticized for what are perceived to be (religious) majoritarian tendencies in their thinking.
02. The liberal/centrist view: Critical of the conservatives, the liberals espouse the cause of an inclusive sentiment of love for the nation to be promoted among the Indian people. This love is inclusive in the sense that it seeks to encompass within itself people from all sections of Indian society- irrespective of their caste, region, religion, or language. The liberals have been criticized by the conservatives for allegedly not being sensitive to the desires of the ‘majority’ among India’s population while the progressives have critiqued them for supposedly not being radical enough in their expressed stance of anti ‘majoritarian’ politics.
03. The progressive view: The progressives repeatedly emphasize what, they suggest, is the (politically and culturally) constructed nature of the (Indian) nation state. Even when they accept the fact that an existing democratic nation’s peoples need to be patriotic and nationalist, they warn against the dangers that may befall the nation if it follows the path that espouses a very constricted and narrow socio-political vision in the name of nationalism. They have been criticized by the conservatives as well as the liberals for allegedly utilizing those instruments for the perpetuation and consolidation of their political worldview in India which might not be appropriate for a set up that is understood to follow democratic and egalitarian principles.
印度的民族主义到底是什么概念？
我推测这个问题是基于最近在印度发生的各种事件提出的，尤其是那些涉及如JNU、JU和FTII教育机构的事件。
可以说，除了少数个人和团体，民族主义被大多数印度人视为一种可取的价值观和性格特征。换句话说，印度人需要成为民族主义者，这似乎是一个共识。然而，这往往导致冲突和围绕民族主义问题的相当大的社会动荡，涉及这种民族主义的性质和特点。在这个层面上，关于印度人应该实践的民族主义的本质，印度国内存在着多种相互对立的观点。以下是这些观点的一些主要模式和趋势的简要概述：
1、保守观点:保守主义者认为，印度人应该对他们的国家——它的人民和它的象征——表达一种毫无保留的崇拜和自豪。他们经常因为他们的思想中被认为是(宗教)多数主义倾向而受到批评
2、自由派/中间派观点：自由派对保守派持批评态度，支持在印度人民中推广爱国家的包容性情感。这种爱是包容的，因为它试图将来自印度社会各阶层的人——无论他们的种姓、地区、宗教或语言——包容在内。保守派批评自由派对印度人口中“多数人”的愿望不敏感，而进步人士批评他们在反“多数人”政治的立场上不够激进。
3、进步派观点：进步派反复强调（印度）民族国家的（政治和文化）建构本质。即使他们接受一个现有民主国家的人民需要爱国和民族主义的事实，他们也警告说，如果这个国家以民族主义的名义走上一条非常狭隘的社会政治愿景的道路，那么它可能会面临危险。他们受到保守派和自由派的批评，据称他们利用这些工具来延续和巩固他们在印度的政治世界观，这可能不适合一个被理解为遵循民主和平等原则的国家。
What exactly is the idea of Nationalism in India?
I presume that the question has been asked in the light of various incidents that have taken place in India recently- especially those in educational institutions such as JNU, JU, and FTII.
It would not be wrong to say that apart from a few individuals and groups, nationalism is seen as a desirable value and character trait by most Indians. In other words, there seems to be a consensus over the fact that Indians need to be nationalist. The crucial detail, however, that often leads to conflict and considerable social churning around the question of nationalism concerns the nature and characteristic of such nationalism. At this level, multiple and mutually opposed views exist in India about the nature of nationalism that Indians should practice. Given below is a brief outline of some of the major patterns and tendencies of these views:
01. The conservative view: The conservatives are of the opinion that Indians should express an unreserved adoration of and pride for their nation- its people and its symbols. They are often criticized for what are perceived to be (religious) majoritarian tendencies in their thinking.
02. The liberal/centrist view: Critical of the conservatives, the liberals espouse the cause of an inclusive sentiment of love for the nation to be promoted among the Indian people. This love is inclusive in the sense that it seeks to encompass within itself people from all sections of Indian society- irrespective of their caste, region, religion, or language. The liberals have been criticized by the conservatives for allegedly not being sensitive to the desires of the ‘majority’ among India’s population while the progressives have critiqued them for supposedly not being radical enough in their expressed stance of anti ‘majoritarian’ politics.
03. The progressive view: The progressives repeatedly emphasize what, they suggest, is the (politically and culturally) constructed nature of the (Indian) nation state. Even when they accept the fact that an existing democratic nation’s peoples need to be patriotic and nationalist, they warn against the dangers that may befall the nation if it follows the path that espouses a very constricted and narrow socio-political vision in the name of nationalism. They have been criticized by the conservatives as well as the liberals for allegedly utilizing those instruments for the perpetuation and consolidation of their political worldview in India which might not be appropriate for a set up that is understood to follow democratic and egalitarian principles.
印度的民族主义到底是什么概念？
我推测这个问题是基于最近在印度发生的各种事件提出的，尤其是那些涉及如JNU、JU和FTII教育机构的事件。
可以说，除了少数个人和团体，民族主义被大多数印度人视为一种可取的价值观和性格特征。换句话说，印度人需要成为民族主义者，这似乎是一个共识。然而，这往往导致冲突和围绕民族主义问题的相当大的社会动荡，涉及这种民族主义的性质和特点。在这个层面上，关于印度人应该实践的民族主义的本质，印度国内存在着多种相互对立的观点。以下是这些观点的一些主要模式和趋势的简要概述：
1、保守观点:保守主义者认为，印度人应该对他们的国家——它的人民和它的象征——表达一种毫无保留的崇拜和自豪。他们经常因为他们的思想中被认为是(宗教)多数主义倾向而受到批评
2、自由派/中间派观点：自由派对保守派持批评态度，支持在印度人民中推广爱国家的包容性情感。这种爱是包容的，因为它试图将来自印度社会各阶层的人——无论他们的种姓、地区、宗教或语言——包容在内。保守派批评自由派对印度人口中“多数人”的愿望不敏感，而进步人士批评他们在反“多数人”政治的立场上不够激进。
3、进步派观点：进步派反复强调（印度）民族国家的（政治和文化）建构本质。即使他们接受一个现有民主国家的人民需要爱国和民族主义的事实，他们也警告说，如果这个国家以民族主义的名义走上一条非常狭隘的社会政治愿景的道路，那么它可能会面临危险。他们受到保守派和自由派的批评，据称他们利用这些工具来延续和巩固他们在印度的政治世界观，这可能不适合一个被理解为遵循民主和平等原则的国家。
Bhavesh Dabhi
Sadly in India, definition varies greatly depending upon who you are asking. Never did i realize that patritiasm or nationalism can be a monopoly of a particular group of individuals.
Because apparently paying taxes and abiding by our civic duties is not enough. No, you either have to be a soldier OR you should be supporter of BJP. (such was not the case in Vajpayi era, wise man he was) and if you are not among the above two, nationalism can't even touch you.
可悲的是，在印度，关于民族定义的差异很大，取决于你问谁。我从来没有意识到爱国主义或民族主义可以被一个特定群体给垄断。
因为显然纳税和履行公民义务是不够的。不，你要么成为一名士兵，要么成为人民党的支持者。(在瓦杰帕伊时代并非如此，他是位聪明的人)。如果你不属于以上两种情况，民族主义甚至无法触及你。
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Sadly in India, definition varies greatly depending upon who you are asking. Never did i realize that patritiasm or nationalism can be a monopoly of a particular group of individuals.
Because apparently paying taxes and abiding by our civic duties is not enough. No, you either have to be a soldier OR you should be supporter of BJP. (such was not the case in Vajpayi era, wise man he was) and if you are not among the above two, nationalism can't even touch you.
可悲的是，在印度，关于民族定义的差异很大，取决于你问谁。我从来没有意识到爱国主义或民族主义可以被一个特定群体给垄断。
因为显然纳税和履行公民义务是不够的。不，你要么成为一名士兵，要么成为人民党的支持者。(在瓦杰帕伊时代并非如此，他是位聪明的人)。如果你不属于以上两种情况，民族主义甚至无法触及你。
原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
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