苦难午餐”:普通的“白人食物”在中国走红 (三)
2023-07-10 后羿A射日 8967
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MaxTheMartian
I have a Chinese wife and live in Melbourne (where one can travel the world in 80 cuisines)
Chinese cuisine is actually a misnomer. A well-respected book about Chinese cuisine mentions at least five very different styles (North, Shanghai, Cantonese, Szechuan, West).

我的妻子是中国人,我们住在墨尔本(在这里可以品尝到世界80种美食)。
实际上说中国菜是不恰当的。比较权威的关于中国菜的书提到了至少五种非常不同的风格(北方、上海、广东、四川和西部)。

One has to compare it with European cuisine not with one country.
And there are certainly a few highlights in Europe too.
As there are Chinese people slurping pretty plain noodles..

应该将中国菜与欧洲菜进行比较,而不是与某个国家的菜进行比较。
当然,欧洲菜也有一些亮点。
因为中国人也吃普通面条…

pinkybrain
My Chinese father in law loves a toasted sandwich. He also cooks elaborate great Chinese dishes, but it takes up most of his day to prepare it all. A toasted sandwich is quick and drama free for him.

我公公是中国人,他很喜欢烤三明治。他也做精致的中国菜,但是一天中大部分时间都花在准备上了。对他来说,烤三明治很快,事也少。

Marakite
That's what happens when you live in a capitalistic developed nation. Can't afford anything so both parents tend to work. Not enough time or money to make proper meals 3 times a day so at least one of those meals (emphasis on "at least") is quick and simple and devoid of anything worthwhile.

生活在资本主义发达国家就会这样。什么也买不起,所以父母都得工作。没有足够的时间和金钱来准备一日三餐,所以至少得吃一顿(强调“至少”)快速、简单,没有任何有价值的饭。

Considering China is now facing the same "over educated but not enough well paying jobs" predicament as the west it's only a matter of time before the same horrors befall them.
PS ... what's wrong with someone eating a bag of raw mushies? They're absolutely beautiful fresh.

考虑到中国现在正面临着与西方相同的“教育程度过高但没有足够的高薪工作”的困境,同样的恐怖降临到他们身上只是时间问题。
另外,吃一袋蘑菇有什么不对?蘑菇非常漂亮、新鲜。

Axoxltl
I agree that we are time-poor, but also being liberated from the drudgery of preparing cooked meals for lunch is fine.

时间确实不够用,但从准备午餐的苦差事中解放出来也是好事。
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HSThompson
You have never visited a Chinese factory, I guess? Where the workers live in tiny rooms with all their mates? I’m not a fan of capitalism at all, but you can’t be serious about claiming that our stressful jobs or our work load keeps us from cooking, while in Southeast Asia people easily work 70-80 hours a week and still find the time for it. We‘re lazy as f…k, that’s why.

我猜你从来没去过中国工厂吧?那里的工人和工友们住在狭小的房间里?我不是资本主义的粉丝,但不能一本正经地说,压力很大和工作量大导致我们没有时间做饭,而在东南亚,人们每周工作70-80个小时,仍然能抽出时间做饭。我们很懒,这就是原因。
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spum
The sandwich looks deceptively simple, but what they forget is the immense effort that goes into making the cheese and the butter and then the loaf of bread and curing the ham. Anyone can cook simple Chinese food from scratch in five minutes, but if you were to attempt to make all those ingredients at home it would take forever.

三明治看起来很简单,但别忘记了制作奶酪、黄油、面包和腌制火腿所付出的巨大努力。任何人都可以在五分钟内从头开始做简单的中国菜,但如果想在家里做所有这些材料,那得花一辈子的时间。

torotesoro
Now I want to see the videos of Greeks Italians French Poles etc. being told by Chinese jokesters that this is what all “white people” all eat for lunch.
And an English newspaper, of course, fully agreeing that they are all white people.

我想看希腊、意大利、法国、波兰等被中国人嘲笑是“白人”午餐吃的东西的视频。
当然,还有一份英国报纸,完全同意他们都是白人。

Sockamagee
Of course one advantage of “dull white food” is that it’s possible to put together a nutritious, well-balanced meal or snack (or, admittedly, a junky one…) quite quickly and easily. For those of us who are either short of time - or frankly, have pretty simple, basic tastes and just want some decent quality fuel rather than a gourmet feast - this is a great benefit.

当然,“单调的白人食物”的一个优点是,可以很快、很容易地组合成一顿营养丰富、均衡的正餐或零食(或者垃圾食品……)。对于我们这些时间不够的人来说,或者坦白说口味简单的人来说,只想要一些质量不错的燃料,而不是一顿美食盛宴,这是很大的优点。

I am, though, one of those people who have eaten pretty much the same breakfast and lunch every day for years and could happily endlessly rotate the same basic four or five even meals..

然而,多年来我都吃同样的早餐和午餐,并且可以愉快地四五样饭来回轮换着吃。

nancyjt
Some people live to eat, and others know that they have to eat to live. None should be throwing stones.

有些人活着是为了吃,而有些人吃是为了活着。谁都别说谁。

vanthegogh
I feel like a ham, cheese and tomato sandwich now

我现在想吃火腿、奶酪和西红柿三明治
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HealingEnso
Marbled pumpernickel/Rye bread. Thinly sliced Blue Stilton. A little garlic if you absolutely must.
Great food does not have to be complex and heavily spiced.

大理石裸麦粉粗面包、黑麦面包。切成薄片的蓝色斯蒂尔顿。喜欢得话可以加点大蒜。
美味的食物不一定是复杂的和大量的香料。


roxana76
Cottage cheese makes me nauseous. It's like baby vomit.

白干酪让我恶心。就像婴儿的呕吐物。


Royfills
The most informative quote is that raw vegetables are "lawless". I think it means they're untamed, uncivilized, the sort of thing animals eat.

信息量最大的一句话是,生蔬菜“无法无天”。我认为这意味着未驯服的,未开化的,动物吃的东西。

BinkieHuckaback
If raw vegetables are lawless does that make cooked vegetables rawless?

如果生蔬菜无法无天,那煮熟的蔬菜是不是也无法无天了?

Nearlyaverage
This article makes me crave a cheese and tomato sandwich

看了这篇文章,我想吃芝士番茄三明治

boltronics
My wife is from Hong Kong and has claimed on occasion that she "lives to eat". Meanwhile, I'm a strict vegan and happy to eat raw vegetables. I've no problem snacking on a bag of raw spinache or carrots or popcorn. Food is fuel, and I don't see any reason to prioritise it beyond that.

我妻子来自香港,有时她会说“活着就是为了吃”。而我是严格的素食主义者,喜欢生吃蔬菜。吃一袋生菠菜、胡萝卜或爆米花都没问题。食物是燃料,我认为没有任何理由优先考虑。

Guess which of us is healthier? Guess who saves more money? Guess which lifestyle is better for the environment? I'd personally rather spend the money on more interesting things, like comics, video games, catching a movie, etc.

猜猜我们谁更健康?猜猜谁更省钱?猜猜哪种生活方式对环境更好?我宁愿把钱花在更有趣的事情上,比如漫画、电子游戏、看电影等。

And to be fair, a lot of what she eats is really unhealthy and makes me feel sick just thinking about it! Well, to each their own.

公平地说,她吃的很多东西都是不健康的,一想到这些就觉得恶心!好吧,各有所好。

HSThompson
Sounds like a lovely marriage! I guess you eat in different rooms?

听起来真是美满的婚姻!我猜你们吃饭都不在一个房间?

roxana76
A totally vegan diet is not healthy unless supplemented. You're ok for protein, iodine and vitamin B12? And there's no proof that veganism is "better for the environment". We'd end up with millions of acres of soy plants and absolutely no permaculture. Your wife must absolutely love living with such a self-righteous person. And raw popcorn would break your teeth surely. I mean, it wouldn't even be popped.

除非有补充,否则完全纯素的饮食是不健康的。蛋白质,碘和维生素B12摄入正常吗?而且没有证据表明素食主义“对环境更好”。我们种植了数百万英亩的大豆,而绝对没有永续农业。你妻子一定很喜欢和这样自以为是的人住在一起。生爆米花肯定会崩碎你的牙。我的意思是,它们压根就不会爆开。

MissAmazon
Laughed my head off!

笑死我了!

BobstheBuilder
Agree with the comments about the high salt/oil/MSG levels in mainland Chinese cooking, especially in restaurants, canteens, on trains etc. The Chinese commenting on the bland contents of Western lunches don't realise many Westerners also eat leftovers from the night before - things like curries, casseroles, soups and yes...Chinese stir fries!

同意中国大陆烹饪高盐、高油、高味精的评论,特别是在餐馆、食堂、火车等地方。说西方午餐平淡无味的中国人不知道许多西方人也吃前一天晚上的剩菜——像咖喱、砂锅菜、汤等,还有中式炒菜!


Rah_fan
Chinese and French cooking have in common that ANYTHING is edible. So goes a cliche. Apparently not true it must also be labor intensive and spicy.

中国和法国的烹饪有个共同点,那就是任何东西都可以吃。这也是老生常谈。显然不是这样的,中餐是劳动密集型的,而且还辣。

77fryingPAN
Many large ships were built on workers eating plain white bread sandwiches with cheese mustard and lettuce for lunch. The term western food is over used like the word chef. In general only well fed persons discuss food. We would be a healthier planet eating clean food a mix raw and cooked and as for eating raw mushroom lovely with a bit of vinaigrette and some crusty white bread. European cookery ie; named western food is a vast array of produce and Western chefs are working the world over.

许多大船都是靠工人们午餐吃普通的白面包三明治加奶酪芥末和生菜建造的。“西餐”这个词就像“厨师”一样被滥用了。一般来说,只有吃饱了的人才会谈论食物。我们将成为更健康的星球,吃干净的食物,生的吃,熟的也吃,我们就会成为饮食更健康的星球,吃生蘑菇加点油醋和一些硬皮白面包。欧洲烹饪法也就是西餐是个巨大的产品阵列,西方厨师正在世界各地忙碌着。
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jupiterLILY
The lady didn’t have vinaigrette though.
It wasn’t a salad. It was raw vegetables from a bag.
It’s sad. Life’s already pretty shit, you deserve some dressing on your salad.

但是这位女士没有香醋色拉调味汁。
那不是沙拉。袋子里面是生蔬菜。
悲伤的故事。生活已经很糟糕了,应该在沙拉上加点调料的。

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MissAmazon
Totally agree! If it doesn’t have dressing, you should be eating grass and bark on Alone!

完全同意!如果没有调料,就去吃草和树皮!

JohnFashanu
It was probably a health thing, I think everyone I know from England has at least tried one of those 'only eat meat/berries/mushrooms diets.
Chinese have them as well, my (Chinese) ex's mum was always eating mad rabbit food for her blood or whatever.

这可能健康,我想我认识的英国人都至少尝试过“只吃肉、浆果、蘑菇”的饮食。
中国人也是,我(中国)前男友的妈妈一直吃兔肉来补血什么的。

waynerob
There is some truly terrible western food, sliced white bread chief among it - I mean who imagines that Corn Flakes, Frosties and the rest can possibly be any good as a breakfast, we've been conned there big time. Asian food by contrast with its multiple ingredients, fresh vegetables, and flavour rich spices is a treat. Lucky we live in Australia where we have possibly the world's best choice of food. Within 100 metres of my door there are Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and Thai restaurants, all delicious, as well as one of those Poke bowl places, and a great Italian.

有一些确实是很糟糕的西餐,最主要的是白面包片——我的意思是,谁会把玉米片、香甜玉米片等作为早餐呢?我们已经被骗了很久了。相比之下,亚洲食品以多样食材、新鲜蔬菜和风味丰富的调料而著称。幸运的是,我们生活在澳大利亚,这里可能有世界上最好的食物选择。离我家不到100米的地方有韩国餐馆、日本餐馆、越南餐馆和泰国餐馆,都很好吃,还有一家鱼生沙拉拌饭餐馆和一家很棒的意大利餐馆。

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PWhitt
And yet, though I’ve lived in China and with Chinese people for several decades, I’ve never really adjusted to their taste in meat, nor have they, it seems, to mine.

然而,尽管在中国生活过,和中国人一起生活了几十年,但我从来没有真正适应过他们对肉的口味,他们似乎也没有适应我的口味。

A steak, a chicken breast, a large plain fillet of cod or fresh tuna would be of no interest to a Chinese diner; similarly I still cannot honestly say I like chicken feet, or pigeon neck, or duck head, or having to sift through the eyes, lips, tail and myriad of bones in a large whole fish placed in a communal pot in the centre of the dining table.

中国食客对牛排、鸡胸肉、大块普通鳕鱼片或新鲜金枪鱼不感兴趣;同样,老实说,我也不喜欢鸡爪、鸽子颈或鸭头,也不喜欢吃放在餐桌中间的锅里的那条瞪着眼睛,带着嘴唇、尾巴和无数的鱼刺的鱼。

Which brings me on to the other eating habit I’ve never really got used to: the way throughout a meal Chinese diners typically help themselves to small quantities of food many times from communal dishes, meaning that, like it or not, you essentially have to share saliva with everyone at the table.

这让我想到了另一个从未真正习惯的饮食方式:中国人在吃饭的时候通常会多次从公共餐具中取少量食物,这意味着,不管你喜欢与否,实际上必须与餐桌上的所有人共享唾液。

This, combined with the obligation to eat the kind of meat I’ve discussed, doesn’t, to this day, usually do wonders for my appetite whenever I go to China.

这一点,再加上我有义务吃我刚才提到的那些肉,直到今天,只要去中国,我的胃口通常都不会有什么奇迹。

nancyjt
All of the Chinese people I have eaten with use either the spoon or other utensil that comes with the communal dish, or the back end of their chopsticks (granted, not that sanitary either).

和我一起吃过饭的中国人要么用公共餐具附带的勺子或其他器具,要么用筷子的后端(当然,也不怎么卫生)。

roxana76
I get your point. I hate communal food. I'm so squeamish about food and especially sauce, the idea of poutine makes me shiver, you can't put cheese with gravy!

我明白你的意思。我讨厌公共食物。我对食物很挑剔,尤其是酱汁,一想到肉汁奶酪薯条我就不寒而栗,不能把奶酪放在肉汁里!


bemusedonaboat
Once saw a guy eat almost a kilo of plain rice out of a massive bowl while his head was lying on the table. No sauce. No pickles. I was kinda impressed.

有一次,我看到有人闷着头吃了一大碗米饭,得有一公斤。没有酱、没有泡菜。这给我留下了很深的印象。

alanmarg
I take it these people have never had an English pork pie or a Tasmanian curried scallop pie.

我猜这些人从来没有吃过英式猪肉派或塔斯马尼亚咖喱扇贝派。


GunterKater
Or, my favourite - a Scottish macaroni cheese pie

或者我的最爱——苏格兰奶酪通心粉派


Dellflorida
The photo is inaccurate-
most white people eat white bread-that has no nutrients in it...
Most all the bread at Fast food places is factory bread,ground out in huge factories-and white,white,white- nutritionaly dead bread...
(Great for your kids,by the way)...
And sometimes with canned dead tuna on the dead bread-tuna 'salad'....'sandwich'...
The Chines already eat nutritionally dead White rice- might as well join the rest eating dead bread and dead tuna.

这张照片不准确
大多数白人吃的是白面包——里面没有任何营养成分……
快餐店里的大多数面包都是工厂生产的面包,都是大型工厂里磨出来的——白面包,白面包——没有营养的面包……
(顺便说一下,非常适合你们的孩子)……
有时在面包上放金枪鱼罐头——金枪鱼沙拉....三明治……
中国人已经吃了无营养的白米饭了——和其他人一起吃质量差的面包和金枪鱼也没事。


catch2015
Agreed ... you can't beat a great hand-made loaf/artisan bread with tasty ingredients and lots of fibre. Ditto brown rice has so much more flavour although it takes much longer to cook.

同意……你无法抗拒美味的手工面包、工匠面包,它含有美味的配料和大量的纤维。同样的,糙米虽然需要更长的烹饪时间,但味道更浓。

roxana76
I know that it's possible to live on brown rice. I think it was in Tenko. The husks have vitamin C I believe.

我知道可以靠糙米活下去。我觉得那是在战俘营。我相信它的外壳含有维生素C。

SparkyTheDog
In Japan, yakisoba rolls (fried noodles on a bread roll) are popular.
East meets west.

在日本,日式炒面卷(把炒面放在面包卷上)很受欢迎。
东西方的结合。

Lindsayvoter
I wish I love 'white people" food. I would be so much more healthier!

真希望我喜欢“白人”食物。这样我就会更健康!
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bourbonman1
o the love of a great sandwich meat cheese a fried egg maybe a bit of tomato and lettuce

哦,我喜欢的三明治要有肉、奶酪、煎蛋,或者再来点西红柿和生菜

martinusher
There are sandwiches and then there are sandwiches. A couple of slices of sliced white bread with slivers of processed meat and cheese is at best "entry level". A full on Philly cheese steak or Ruben is on a different plane -- there really are so many ways to make a sandwich you could never run out.

三明治还是三明治。几片白面包切片加上几片加工过的肉和奶酪,顶多算“入门级”三明治。一份饱满的费城奶酪牛排或鲁本三明治根本不是这么回事——制作三明治的方法真的太多了,你永远都吃不完。

The word 'sandwich' is the official name of the burger -- that's what they're called in the US because a properly constructed burger can be a balanced meal in of itself (hint -- its the meat/salad ratio that's important).

“三明治”这个词是汉堡的正式名称——在美国之所以这么叫,是因为结构合理的汉堡本身就是均衡餐(提示——重要的是肉/沙拉的比例)。

Incidentally, most of us have never experienced authentic Chinese food. What gets served up as "Chinese" is mostly detuned Cantonese (which is probably just as well since I don't really go for fish with the head on and stuff like that). Their noodle soup is every bit as good as the Japanese type.

顺便说一句,我们大多数人从来没吃过正宗的中国菜。很多人吃过的“中国菜”大多都是不太地道的广东菜(也许这样正好,因为我不太喜欢鱼带着头之类的东西)。他们的面条汤和日本的不相上下。
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Nijkerk
“Social media platforms inundated with users amused and bemused by raw vegetables and cold sandwiches”
Perhaps they should be more concerned with the increasing mortality rate dour to diet in modern China Or perhaps the millions smoking themselves to death

“社交媒体平台上充斥着被生蔬菜和冷三明治逗乐和困惑的用户。”
也许他们更应该关心的是现代中国饮食导致的死亡率上升,或者是数百万人因吸烟而死

Yblent
Guilty as charged!

罪名成立!

SparkyTheDog
Probably why Chinese food is popular around the world.

也许这就是中国菜在世界各地受欢迎的原因。

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