重建乌克兰有可能吗?
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Ukraine is getting ready for the largest reconstruction project since WW2, what will its reconstruction look like?
乌克兰正在准备二战以来最大的重建项目，它的重建会是什么样子的呢?
Ukraine is getting ready for the largest reconstruction project since WW2, what will its reconstruction look like?
乌克兰正在准备二战以来最大的重建项目，它的重建会是什么样子的呢?
@adamtoner3870
Could be an incredible opportunity for Ukraine to rid itself of corruption and build itself into a prosperous country.
这可能是乌克兰摆脱腐败、建设繁荣国家的绝佳机会。
Could be an incredible opportunity for Ukraine to rid itself of corruption and build itself into a prosperous country.
这可能是乌克兰摆脱腐败、建设繁荣国家的绝佳机会。
@maxibardi
As a Ukrainian born in currently occupied territory I can confirm it is one of the most detailed and well thought through videos on this topic I have seen so far. The major challenges Ukrainian post-war economy will face are described in a pretty realistic and balanced manner. Not too much optimism nor pessimism.
One can see a lot of open-source research has been done before making this video. Thank you so much for your work and keep it up!
作为一名出生在目前被占领领土上的乌克兰人，我可以确认这是我迄今为止看过的关于这个话题的最详细和最深思熟虑的视频之一。以相当现实和平衡的方式描述了乌克兰战后经济将面临的主要挑战。不要太乐观，也不要太悲观。
大家可以看到，在制作这个视频之前，有很多开源研究已经完成了。非常感谢您的工作，请保持下去!
As a Ukrainian born in currently occupied territory I can confirm it is one of the most detailed and well thought through videos on this topic I have seen so far. The major challenges Ukrainian post-war economy will face are described in a pretty realistic and balanced manner. Not too much optimism nor pessimism.
One can see a lot of open-source research has been done before making this video. Thank you so much for your work and keep it up!
作为一名出生在目前被占领领土上的乌克兰人，我可以确认这是我迄今为止看过的关于这个话题的最详细和最深思熟虑的视频之一。以相当现实和平衡的方式描述了乌克兰战后经济将面临的主要挑战。不要太乐观，也不要太悲观。
大家可以看到，在制作这个视频之前，有很多开源研究已经完成了。非常感谢您的工作，请保持下去!
@oleksandrskurzhanskyi2233
I am from Ukraine, and I have been following your videos since the creation of your channel. Thank you, Hugo, for delving into this particular topic. I firmly believe it holds as much significance as the results on the battlefield itself. Here's hoping for the most optimistic scenario to come to life!
我来自乌克兰，自从你的频道创建以来，我一直在关注你的视频。雨果，感谢你深入探讨这个特殊的话题。我坚信它和战场上的结果一样重要。希望最乐观的局面能够实现！
I am from Ukraine, and I have been following your videos since the creation of your channel. Thank you, Hugo, for delving into this particular topic. I firmly believe it holds as much significance as the results on the battlefield itself. Here's hoping for the most optimistic scenario to come to life!
我来自乌克兰，自从你的频道创建以来，我一直在关注你的视频。雨果，感谢你深入探讨这个特殊的话题。我坚信它和战场上的结果一样重要。希望最乐观的局面能够实现！
@momo8200
I think people really underestimate what an aging, declining population means for an economy, life expectancy and future outcomes. Without more young people to work/pay the pensions/healthcare of an ever increasing older population, fill increasing job vacancies, consume, and increase demand in the economy, you face socio-economic collapse. Russia, China and even large parts of western europe face a similar outcome. All the best to Ukraine.
我认为人们真的低估了人口老龄化、人口减少对经济、预期寿命和未来的影响。如果没有更多的年轻人工作、支付不断增长的老年人口的养老金和医疗保健、填补越来越多的职位空缺、消费和增加经济需求，你将面临社会经济崩溃。俄罗斯、中国，甚至西欧大部分国家都面临着类似的结果。祝乌克兰一切顺利。
I think people really underestimate what an aging, declining population means for an economy, life expectancy and future outcomes. Without more young people to work/pay the pensions/healthcare of an ever increasing older population, fill increasing job vacancies, consume, and increase demand in the economy, you face socio-economic collapse. Russia, China and even large parts of western europe face a similar outcome. All the best to Ukraine.
我认为人们真的低估了人口老龄化、人口减少对经济、预期寿命和未来的影响。如果没有更多的年轻人工作、支付不断增长的老年人口的养老金和医疗保健、填补越来越多的职位空缺、消费和增加经济需求，你将面临社会经济崩溃。俄罗斯、中国，甚至西欧大部分国家都面临着类似的结果。祝乌克兰一切顺利。
@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke
There is another factor to consider: who will rebuild Ukraine an for who will it be rebuilt? The country was already among those in a very bad place demographically, having inherited nearly off the same issues as russia has through the ussr. Add in the economic hit from the war discussed here to the tendency for a portion of refugees to end up putting down roots wherever they went to and to not come back, and how those refugees tend to be younger and women increasing the relative demographic hit from whatever number don't come back compared to if it were a more even distribution, and you have quite a hard situation for a country to recover from.
还有一个因素需要考虑：谁来重建乌克兰，为谁重建乌克兰？从人口结构上看，乌克兰已经处于非常糟糕的境地，它几乎继承了俄罗斯在苏联时期所面临的同样问题。再加上这里讨论的战争对经济造成的打击，以及一部分难民最终会在他们去的地方扎根而不再回来的趋势，以及这些难民往往更年轻、女性更多，无论有多少难民不回来，都会对人口造成相对的打击，国家想恢复的话，面临着相当大的困难。
There is another factor to consider: who will rebuild Ukraine an for who will it be rebuilt? The country was already among those in a very bad place demographically, having inherited nearly off the same issues as russia has through the ussr. Add in the economic hit from the war discussed here to the tendency for a portion of refugees to end up putting down roots wherever they went to and to not come back, and how those refugees tend to be younger and women increasing the relative demographic hit from whatever number don't come back compared to if it were a more even distribution, and you have quite a hard situation for a country to recover from.
还有一个因素需要考虑：谁来重建乌克兰，为谁重建乌克兰？从人口结构上看，乌克兰已经处于非常糟糕的境地，它几乎继承了俄罗斯在苏联时期所面临的同样问题。再加上这里讨论的战争对经济造成的打击，以及一部分难民最终会在他们去的地方扎根而不再回来的趋势，以及这些难民往往更年轻、女性更多，无论有多少难民不回来，都会对人口造成相对的打击，国家想恢复的话，面临着相当大的困难。
@fluoroproline
As a Ukrainian, I would say government incompetence (corruption) and demographics are the two greatest challenges in the Ukrainian post-war recovery. So far, I don't feel any optimistic about neither of those.
作为一名乌克兰人，我认为政府无能(腐败)和人口结构是乌克兰战后恢复的两大挑战。到目前为止，我对这两种情况都不乐观。
As a Ukrainian, I would say government incompetence (corruption) and demographics are the two greatest challenges in the Ukrainian post-war recovery. So far, I don't feel any optimistic about neither of those.
作为一名乌克兰人，我认为政府无能(腐败)和人口结构是乌克兰战后恢复的两大挑战。到目前为止，我对这两种情况都不乐观。
@marianailikh6262
Thanks for such a detailed and unbiased video about my country. All my family has stayed in Ukraine: we work, donate as much as we can, husbands and brothers defend against "zombies". It's hard, especially morally - but we have no other choice but to fight the biggest evil.
感谢你为我的国家制作了如此详细、公正的视频。我们全家都留在了乌克兰：我们工作，尽我们所能捐款，丈夫和兄弟们抵御 "僵尸"。这很难，尤其是在道义上--但我们别无选择，只能与最大的邪恶作斗争。
Thanks for such a detailed and unbiased video about my country. All my family has stayed in Ukraine: we work, donate as much as we can, husbands and brothers defend against "zombies". It's hard, especially morally - but we have no other choice but to fight the biggest evil.
感谢你为我的国家制作了如此详细、公正的视频。我们全家都留在了乌克兰：我们工作，尽我们所能捐款，丈夫和兄弟们抵御 "僵尸"。这很难，尤其是在道义上--但我们别无选择，只能与最大的邪恶作斗争。
@Abcflc
One of the sad things for me as an architect is realising that a lot of the reconstruction will be fast and chaotic, prioritising fast growth, bulk and making Investors and politicians happy- this will mean that quality, traditional methods of construction and new urbanism will be set aside- even though so much soviet architecture has been destroyed, it will be replaced by contemporary project which are not that different.
作为一名建筑师，我感到悲哀的一件事是，我意识到许多重建工作都将是快速而混乱的，优先考虑的是快速增长、大规模以及让投资者和政客满意--这意味着质量、传统建筑方法和新城市主义将被搁置一旁--尽管许多苏维埃建筑已被摧毁，但取而代之的也没什么两样。
One of the sad things for me as an architect is realising that a lot of the reconstruction will be fast and chaotic, prioritising fast growth, bulk and making Investors and politicians happy- this will mean that quality, traditional methods of construction and new urbanism will be set aside- even though so much soviet architecture has been destroyed, it will be replaced by contemporary project which are not that different.
作为一名建筑师，我感到悲哀的一件事是，我意识到许多重建工作都将是快速而混乱的，优先考虑的是快速增长、大规模以及让投资者和政客满意--这意味着质量、传统建筑方法和新城市主义将被搁置一旁--尽管许多苏维埃建筑已被摧毁，但取而代之的也没什么两样。
@AleSanDerS1
Thank you for the video. We face numerous existential problems in Ukraine, but I hold an optimistic view on demographics. From my experience living abroad for three years, I predict a strong desire among Ukrainians to return. I believe around 60-70% of those who left will come back after the war ends. The outcome will depend on the format of the war's resolution, but Ukraine has succeeded in cultivating internal soft power and a sense of belonging to something greater than oneself and one's family over the past 30 years.
谢谢你的视频。我们在乌克兰面临着许多生存问题，但我对人口结构持乐观态度。根据我在国外生活三年的经历，我预测乌克兰人有强烈的回国愿望。我相信，战争结束后，约有 60-70% 的离开者会回来。结果将取决于战争的解决方式，但在过去30年里，乌克兰成功地培养了内部软实力，以及一种归属感，这种归属感比个人和家庭更强烈。
Thank you for the video. We face numerous existential problems in Ukraine, but I hold an optimistic view on demographics. From my experience living abroad for three years, I predict a strong desire among Ukrainians to return. I believe around 60-70% of those who left will come back after the war ends. The outcome will depend on the format of the war's resolution, but Ukraine has succeeded in cultivating internal soft power and a sense of belonging to something greater than oneself and one's family over the past 30 years.
谢谢你的视频。我们在乌克兰面临着许多生存问题，但我对人口结构持乐观态度。根据我在国外生活三年的经历，我预测乌克兰人有强烈的回国愿望。我相信，战争结束后，约有 60-70% 的离开者会回来。结果将取决于战争的解决方式，但在过去30年里，乌克兰成功地培养了内部软实力，以及一种归属感，这种归属感比个人和家庭更强烈。
@carolekjellander8917
I was reluctant to explore the bad news affecting Ukraine (initially resistant based upon your title). But I'm glad I did. This is a very thoughtful analysis I could not have gotten elsewhere, and now I've found a new relevant and trustworthy channel to watch. Your rational, yet emotional, delivery is engaging. Thanks for all your hard work!
我不愿意探讨影响乌克兰的坏消息(最初是基于你的标题)。但我很高兴我这么做了。这是一个非常深思熟虑的分析，我在其他地方找不到这样的，现在我找到了一个新的相关和值得信赖的频道。你既理性又感性的表达方式很吸引人。谢谢你的辛勤工作!
I was reluctant to explore the bad news affecting Ukraine (initially resistant based upon your title). But I'm glad I did. This is a very thoughtful analysis I could not have gotten elsewhere, and now I've found a new relevant and trustworthy channel to watch. Your rational, yet emotional, delivery is engaging. Thanks for all your hard work!
我不愿意探讨影响乌克兰的坏消息(最初是基于你的标题)。但我很高兴我这么做了。这是一个非常深思熟虑的分析，我在其他地方找不到这样的，现在我找到了一个新的相关和值得信赖的频道。你既理性又感性的表达方式很吸引人。谢谢你的辛勤工作!
@ernstholm8070
Very interesting analysis, People in Ukraine hope that the worst is over only for things to get worse, just like Odesa which has been hit very very hard lately, destroying ukraines remaining port infrastructure.
非常有趣的分析，乌克兰人民希望最糟糕的时候已经过去，但事情却变得更糟，就像敖德萨最近遭受了非常严重的打击，摧毁了乌克兰剩余的港口基础设施。
Very interesting analysis, People in Ukraine hope that the worst is over only for things to get worse, just like Odesa which has been hit very very hard lately, destroying ukraines remaining port infrastructure.
非常有趣的分析，乌克兰人民希望最糟糕的时候已经过去，但事情却变得更糟，就像敖德萨最近遭受了非常严重的打击，摧毁了乌克兰剩余的港口基础设施。
@Croz89
I think there's certainly scope for some large marshall plan esque recovery loans from the EU and further afield. It would be more politically palatable than grants, and it would give the EU an interest in growing the Ukrainian economy since then they would be able to pay them back, even if it took until 2100.
我认为，欧盟和其他国家当然可以提供一些类似马歇尔计划的大规模复苏贷款。这在政治上比捐款更容易让人接受，而且这会让欧盟对乌克兰经济的发展感兴趣，从那时起，他们就有能力偿还这笔钱，即使要还到2100年。
I think there's certainly scope for some large marshall plan esque recovery loans from the EU and further afield. It would be more politically palatable than grants, and it would give the EU an interest in growing the Ukrainian economy since then they would be able to pay them back, even if it took until 2100.
我认为，欧盟和其他国家当然可以提供一些类似马歇尔计划的大规模复苏贷款。这在政治上比捐款更容易让人接受，而且这会让欧盟对乌克兰经济的发展感兴趣，从那时起，他们就有能力偿还这笔钱，即使要还到2100年。
@corvus_monedula
Great video.
The war needs to be won first but the EU should have a comprehensive strategy strategy for rebuilding (including membership) in place for when the day finally comes
精彩的视频。
首先需要赢得战争，但欧盟应该有一个全面的重建战略(包括成员国身份)，以备这一天最终到来之需
Great video.
The war needs to be won first but the EU should have a comprehensive strategy strategy for rebuilding (including membership) in place for when the day finally comes
精彩的视频。
首先需要赢得战争，但欧盟应该有一个全面的重建战略(包括成员国身份)，以备这一天最终到来之需
@MrLense
Unlike Korea or Japan, Ukraine's on a land border next to Western Europe. A lot of talented people in tech who speaks english. I believe Ukraine can bounce back. If Successive governments can shake the corruption that plagues post soviet states.
与韩国或日本不同，乌克兰与西欧接壤。乌克兰有很多会说英语的科技人才。我相信乌克兰能够东山再起。如果历届政府都能搞定困扰后苏联国家的腐败问题的话。
Unlike Korea or Japan, Ukraine's on a land border next to Western Europe. A lot of talented people in tech who speaks english. I believe Ukraine can bounce back. If Successive governments can shake the corruption that plagues post soviet states.
与韩国或日本不同，乌克兰与西欧接壤。乌克兰有很多会说英语的科技人才。我相信乌克兰能够东山再起。如果历届政府都能搞定困扰后苏联国家的腐败问题的话。
@johnkronz7562
The problem with the investment route to rebuilding is that foreign investment is extremely good at creating wealth and then extracting most of it. It’s just replicating the problem of the oligarchs but with foreign oligarchs joining the party.
投资重建之路的问题在于，外国投资非常善于创造财富，然后会攫取大部分的财富。这只是在复制寡头的问题，但这次是外国寡头也加入了这一行列。
The problem with the investment route to rebuilding is that foreign investment is extremely good at creating wealth and then extracting most of it. It’s just replicating the problem of the oligarchs but with foreign oligarchs joining the party.
投资重建之路的问题在于，外国投资非常善于创造财富，然后会攫取大部分的财富。这只是在复制寡头的问题，但这次是外国寡头也加入了这一行列。
@davidcpugh8743
Speaking as an economist and manager of an investment fund, this gentleman is well worth heeding.
作为一名经济学家和投资基金经理，这位先生非常值得关注。
Speaking as an economist and manager of an investment fund, this gentleman is well worth heeding.
作为一名经济学家和投资基金经理，这位先生非常值得关注。
@martinsandberg9415
Great video, but why didn’t you mention that Ukraines economy took a massive hit after Russia annexed Crimea and their put forces into the Donbas? This scared away almost all foreign investors.
很棒的视频，但你为什么没有提到乌克兰的经济在俄罗斯吞并克里米亚并向顿巴斯派兵后遭受了巨大打击?这吓跑了几乎所有的外国投资者。
Great video, but why didn’t you mention that Ukraines economy took a massive hit after Russia annexed Crimea and their put forces into the Donbas? This scared away almost all foreign investors.
很棒的视频，但你为什么没有提到乌克兰的经济在俄罗斯吞并克里米亚并向顿巴斯派兵后遭受了巨大打击?这吓跑了几乎所有的外国投资者。
@xway2
I hope people realize that having Ukraine in the Common Market will be extremely beneficial in the coming decades, so should be of high priority. As climate change continues to get worse, adding a large food producer like Ukraine will grant us an extra level of security as food will become an actual issue that Europeans have to deal with. So even from an egoistic perspective it's good, I would almost say vital, for us to help Ukraine and add them to the fold.
1 trillion euros over the course of a decade or so is not even really a huge deal for let's say OECD, or EU+US, or whatever coalition of rich countries you want to think of. I mean yes, it's a lot, but it's not impossible by any means. If I counted right it would be about 1-2% of US federal budget if they do it alone, which they won't, others will help as well. It's expensive but doable, and that's using the pessimistic number for the total cost.
我希望人们认识到，让乌克兰加入共同市场将在未来几十年内带来巨大利益，因此应予以高度重视。随着气候变化的不断加剧，增加一个像乌克兰这样的粮食生产大国将为我们提供额外的安全保障，因为粮食问题将成为欧洲人必须要面对的实际问题。因此，即使从利己主义的角度来看，我们也应该帮助乌克兰，让他们加入我们的行列。
在十年左右的时间里，1万亿欧元对于经合组织、欧盟加美国或任何你认为的富国联盟来说都不算什么。我的意思是，是的，这是个天文数字，但绝非不可能。如果我没算错的话，要是美国单独支援，大约只占美国联邦预算的1-2%，当然，他们是不会这么做的，不过其他国家也会提供帮助。这很贵，但可行，而且这是总成本的悲观估计。
I hope people realize that having Ukraine in the Common Market will be extremely beneficial in the coming decades, so should be of high priority. As climate change continues to get worse, adding a large food producer like Ukraine will grant us an extra level of security as food will become an actual issue that Europeans have to deal with. So even from an egoistic perspective it's good, I would almost say vital, for us to help Ukraine and add them to the fold.
1 trillion euros over the course of a decade or so is not even really a huge deal for let's say OECD, or EU+US, or whatever coalition of rich countries you want to think of. I mean yes, it's a lot, but it's not impossible by any means. If I counted right it would be about 1-2% of US federal budget if they do it alone, which they won't, others will help as well. It's expensive but doable, and that's using the pessimistic number for the total cost.
我希望人们认识到，让乌克兰加入共同市场将在未来几十年内带来巨大利益，因此应予以高度重视。随着气候变化的不断加剧，增加一个像乌克兰这样的粮食生产大国将为我们提供额外的安全保障，因为粮食问题将成为欧洲人必须要面对的实际问题。因此，即使从利己主义的角度来看，我们也应该帮助乌克兰，让他们加入我们的行列。
在十年左右的时间里，1万亿欧元对于经合组织、欧盟加美国或任何你认为的富国联盟来说都不算什么。我的意思是，是的，这是个天文数字，但绝非不可能。如果我没算错的话，要是美国单独支援，大约只占美国联邦预算的1-2%，当然，他们是不会这么做的，不过其他国家也会提供帮助。这很贵，但可行，而且这是总成本的悲观估计。
@GdzieJestNemo
in terms of rebuilding estimate - it already has been lowered since they started to "curl up" the country - cutting services to smaller settlements since they lost so may people and forecast for the future are also grim. It will likely end up with a country model similar to Argentina or Brazil - with few huge cities and enormous farms
在重建估算方面--自从他们开始 "蜷缩 "这个国家，重建估算已经降低了--由于失去了如此多的人口，他们削减了对较小定居点的服务，对未来的预测也很悲观。乌克兰最终的国家模式很可能与阿根廷或巴西相似--只有少数几个大城市和大片的农场
in terms of rebuilding estimate - it already has been lowered since they started to "curl up" the country - cutting services to smaller settlements since they lost so may people and forecast for the future are also grim. It will likely end up with a country model similar to Argentina or Brazil - with few huge cities and enormous farms
在重建估算方面--自从他们开始 "蜷缩 "这个国家，重建估算已经降低了--由于失去了如此多的人口，他们削减了对较小定居点的服务，对未来的预测也很悲观。乌克兰最终的国家模式很可能与阿根廷或巴西相似--只有少数几个大城市和大片的农场
@mharley3791
It’s dope that Europe is taking the lead on this. Ukraine needs something on the scale of the Marshall Plan in the 50s. I imagine looking to South Korea would be helpful.
欧洲在这方面发挥了带头作用，这真是太棒了。乌克兰需要像上世纪 50 年代马歇尔计划那样的援助。我想韩国也会有所帮助。
It’s dope that Europe is taking the lead on this. Ukraine needs something on the scale of the Marshall Plan in the 50s. I imagine looking to South Korea would be helpful.
欧洲在这方面发挥了带头作用，这真是太棒了。乌克兰需要像上世纪 50 年代马歇尔计划那样的援助。我想韩国也会有所帮助。
@codyponto8403
I think between the drive of the people and the help they are getting they will rebuild faster then many think, war is terrable in a lot of ways but as we have seen it pulls a society together the people that are still there want to be there and want to see there country flourish again
我认为，从人们的积极性和得到的帮助来看，他们的重建速度会比很多人想象的要快。战争在很多方面都是可怕的，但正如我们所看到的那样，它能将一个社会凝聚在一起，仍在乌克兰的人们坚守在那里，憧憬着看到他们的国家再次繁荣。
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I think between the drive of the people and the help they are getting they will rebuild faster then many think, war is terrable in a lot of ways but as we have seen it pulls a society together the people that are still there want to be there and want to see there country flourish again
我认为，从人们的积极性和得到的帮助来看，他们的重建速度会比很多人想象的要快。战争在很多方面都是可怕的，但正如我们所看到的那样，它能将一个社会凝聚在一起，仍在乌克兰的人们坚守在那里，憧憬着看到他们的国家再次繁荣。
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@angelahornung8488
The issue with dependence on private money for the purposes of rebuilding like you said is that Ukraine will need to highly "liberalize" its economy. The dependence on private money will simply reform the oligarchy they've already been having difficulties with (just different management), and the stripping of worker's rights and protections will only rob the Ukrainian people and land for all their resources. I'd highly recommend they minimize their requirement/future dependency on private investment as much as possible.
像你所说的那样，如果依赖私人资金进行重建，那么乌克兰则需要高度 "自由化 "其经济。对私人资金的依赖只会搅乱他们已经陷入困境的寡头政治（只是管理方式不同而已），而剥夺工人的权利和保护，只会掠夺乌克兰人民及其土地的所有资源。我强烈建议乌克兰尽可能地减少对私人投资的依赖。
The issue with dependence on private money for the purposes of rebuilding like you said is that Ukraine will need to highly "liberalize" its economy. The dependence on private money will simply reform the oligarchy they've already been having difficulties with (just different management), and the stripping of worker's rights and protections will only rob the Ukrainian people and land for all their resources. I'd highly recommend they minimize their requirement/future dependency on private investment as much as possible.
像你所说的那样，如果依赖私人资金进行重建，那么乌克兰则需要高度 "自由化 "其经济。对私人资金的依赖只会搅乱他们已经陷入困境的寡头政治（只是管理方式不同而已），而剥夺工人的权利和保护，只会掠夺乌克兰人民及其土地的所有资源。我强烈建议乌克兰尽可能地减少对私人投资的依赖。
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231
If it could be done to western Europe after two world wars and Japan, it can be done again
如果两次世界大战后西欧和日本都能做到这一点，那么我们也可以再次做到
If it could be done to western Europe after two world wars and Japan, it can be done again
如果两次世界大战后西欧和日本都能做到这一点，那么我们也可以再次做到
@mariosvourliotakis778
This whole war is such a depressing story man, and Im not even affected by like the people of Ukraine. Sure Im in the EU and total victory would benefit all of us, but Im not the one fighting a much larger country who invaded and basically crippled an already stagnant economy with a declining population whose rate has been significantly accelerated....
整场战争就是一个令人沮丧的故事，虽然我没有受到像乌克兰人民那样的影响。不过，我在欧盟，全面的胜利将使我们所有人受益，但我不是那个与一个更强大的国家作战的人，这个国家入侵并基本上瘫痪了一个已经停滞不前的经济体，乌克兰人口下降的速度明显加快了....
This whole war is such a depressing story man, and Im not even affected by like the people of Ukraine. Sure Im in the EU and total victory would benefit all of us, but Im not the one fighting a much larger country who invaded and basically crippled an already stagnant economy with a declining population whose rate has been significantly accelerated....
整场战争就是一个令人沮丧的故事，虽然我没有受到像乌克兰人民那样的影响。不过，我在欧盟，全面的胜利将使我们所有人受益，但我不是那个与一个更强大的国家作战的人，这个国家入侵并基本上瘫痪了一个已经停滞不前的经济体，乌克兰人口下降的速度明显加快了....
@GhostPro78
I think that Ukraine cutting labor protections in order to be more enticing for private investment is very much not a good thing.
我认为，如果乌克兰为了吸引私人投资而削减劳工保护，这不是一件好事。
I think that Ukraine cutting labor protections in order to be more enticing for private investment is very much not a good thing.
我认为，如果乌克兰为了吸引私人投资而削减劳工保护，这不是一件好事。
@Dimkarodin
Nice video, thank you!
The only thing to add, as a Ukrainian: we had an illusion in 2014, after the Crimea occupation, that it may be possible to negotiate with Russia to come up with some agreement or a status quo at least. Now, in 2023, it's obviously that Russia don't want that and never wanted. Therefore, "peace in a current lines" = "give Russia a time to recover and to continue its invasion in an upcoming years". So mid term it'd be more similar to an "endless war" scenario
很好的视频，谢谢!
作为一名乌克兰人，唯一需要补充的是:在2014年，在克里米亚被占领之后，我们曾幻想有可能与俄罗斯谈判，达成某种协议或至少维持现状。现在，在2023年，俄罗斯显然不想这样，也从来没有想过。因此，"当前战线的和平"="给俄罗斯恢复的时间，并在未来几年继续入侵"。因此，从中期来看，这更类似于 "无休止的战争"。
Nice video, thank you!
The only thing to add, as a Ukrainian: we had an illusion in 2014, after the Crimea occupation, that it may be possible to negotiate with Russia to come up with some agreement or a status quo at least. Now, in 2023, it's obviously that Russia don't want that and never wanted. Therefore, "peace in a current lines" = "give Russia a time to recover and to continue its invasion in an upcoming years". So mid term it'd be more similar to an "endless war" scenario
很好的视频，谢谢!
作为一名乌克兰人，唯一需要补充的是:在2014年，在克里米亚被占领之后，我们曾幻想有可能与俄罗斯谈判，达成某种协议或至少维持现状。现在，在2023年，俄罗斯显然不想这样，也从来没有想过。因此，"当前战线的和平"="给俄罗斯恢复的时间，并在未来几年继续入侵"。因此，从中期来看，这更类似于 "无休止的战争"。
@Toxo
Really appreciate the topics you cover - I don't hear much on these outside of your channel!
真的很欣赏你所涵盖的话题——在你的频道之外，我很少听到这些!
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Really appreciate the topics you cover - I don't hear much on these outside of your channel!
真的很欣赏你所涵盖的话题——在你的频道之外，我很少听到这些!
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@FOLIPE
Reconstruction is a complicated debate. First it will depend on how (and when) the war ends. Regardless, I think they have massive issues: their demographics is terrible and poised to only become worse over time, and their infrastructure will be massively damaged. I think the second one you can think about "reconstructing", but the first one is unrecoverable. Even if you had total victory and total peace in Ukraine, in a short period of time, it's unlikely it will be more than a poorer version of Romania in the foreseeable future.
重建是一个复杂的问题。首先，这将取决于战争如何(以及何时)结束。无论如何，我认为他们有很多问题:第一、他们的人口结构很糟糕，而且随着时间的推移只会变得更糟。第二、他们的基础设施遭到了严重的破坏。我认为第二种情况你可以考虑“重建”，但第一种情况是不可恢复的。即使乌克兰在短时间内取得了全面的胜利，实现了全面的和平，在可预见的未来，它也只可能是个贫穷版的罗马尼亚。
Reconstruction is a complicated debate. First it will depend on how (and when) the war ends. Regardless, I think they have massive issues: their demographics is terrible and poised to only become worse over time, and their infrastructure will be massively damaged. I think the second one you can think about "reconstructing", but the first one is unrecoverable. Even if you had total victory and total peace in Ukraine, in a short period of time, it's unlikely it will be more than a poorer version of Romania in the foreseeable future.
重建是一个复杂的问题。首先，这将取决于战争如何(以及何时)结束。无论如何，我认为他们有很多问题:第一、他们的人口结构很糟糕，而且随着时间的推移只会变得更糟。第二、他们的基础设施遭到了严重的破坏。我认为第二种情况你可以考虑“重建”，但第一种情况是不可恢复的。即使乌克兰在短时间内取得了全面的胜利，实现了全面的和平，在可预见的未来，它也只可能是个贫穷版的罗马尼亚。
@Weedsethesecond
Very concise and interesting, if sobering, analysis. Thnk you for this, and keep it up!
非常简洁有趣的分析，如果发人深省的话。谢谢你，保持下去!
Very concise and interesting, if sobering, analysis. Thnk you for this, and keep it up!
非常简洁有趣的分析，如果发人深省的话。谢谢你，保持下去!
@sidneygray51
Based on fertility rates, Ukraine might just become the next South Korea, but not in the way it wants...
根据生育率，乌克兰可能会成为下一个韩国，虽然不是以它想要的方式...
Based on fertility rates, Ukraine might just become the next South Korea, but not in the way it wants...
根据生育率，乌克兰可能会成为下一个韩国，虽然不是以它想要的方式...
@Bille994
I get the feeling that Ukraine could be a real economic regional power if the post-war period is managed well. All the building blocks are there, it'll just take massive western investment akin to Germany after WW2
我感觉，如果战后管理得当，乌克兰可能会成为一个真正的地区经济强国。所有的基础都在那里，只是需要类似二战后德国那样的大规模西方投资。
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I get the feeling that Ukraine could be a real economic regional power if the post-war period is managed well. All the building blocks are there, it'll just take massive western investment akin to Germany after WW2
我感觉，如果战后管理得当，乌克兰可能会成为一个真正的地区经济强国。所有的基础都在那里，只是需要类似二战后德国那样的大规模西方投资。
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@intreoo
The captions need some work (Nova Scotia Dam ), but overall, great video! I truly hope that Ukraine can rebuild itself soon. Even before the war, they were already the poorest country in Europe, which is sad considering their massive potential.
字幕需要改进，但总的来说，视频很棒!我真心希望乌克兰能早日重建家园。即使在战前，他们就已经是欧洲最贫穷的国家了，考虑到他们巨大的潜力，这实在令人痛心。
The captions need some work (Nova Scotia Dam ), but overall, great video! I truly hope that Ukraine can rebuild itself soon. Even before the war, they were already the poorest country in Europe, which is sad considering their massive potential.
字幕需要改进，但总的来说，视频很棒!我真心希望乌克兰能早日重建家园。即使在战前，他们就已经是欧洲最贫穷的国家了，考虑到他们巨大的潜力，这实在令人痛心。
@HeadsFullOfEyeballs
I mean, Ukraine isn't joining the EU any time soon even if they win the war tomorrow. It'll take many years for them to meet the requirements even with plenty of foreign aid. By that time the EU's redistribution mechanisms will look different anyway, so I don't think it's much use speculating on how they'd apply to Ukraine.
我的意思是，即使乌克兰明天赢得了战争，他们也不会很快加入欧盟。即使有大量的外国援助，他们也需要很多年才能达到加入欧盟的标准。到那时，欧盟的再分配机制也会有所不同，所以我认为推测这些机制如何适用于乌克兰并没有什么用处。
I mean, Ukraine isn't joining the EU any time soon even if they win the war tomorrow. It'll take many years for them to meet the requirements even with plenty of foreign aid. By that time the EU's redistribution mechanisms will look different anyway, so I don't think it's much use speculating on how they'd apply to Ukraine.
我的意思是，即使乌克兰明天赢得了战争，他们也不会很快加入欧盟。即使有大量的外国援助，他们也需要很多年才能达到加入欧盟的标准。到那时，欧盟的再分配机制也会有所不同，所以我认为推测这些机制如何适用于乌克兰并没有什么用处。
@pyramidsinegypt
Sueing Russia doesn't sound like a bad idea. Having Russia pay for all the damages and the rebuilding would not only relieve EU countries and its citizens, it would also dissuade Russia from making any attempts of invasion in the future.
起诉俄罗斯听起来不是个坏主意。让俄罗斯支付所有的损失和重建费用，不仅会减轻欧盟国家及其公民的负担，也能阻止俄罗斯在未来做出任何入侵的企图。
Sueing Russia doesn't sound like a bad idea. Having Russia pay for all the damages and the rebuilding would not only relieve EU countries and its citizens, it would also dissuade Russia from making any attempts of invasion in the future.
起诉俄罗斯听起来不是个坏主意。让俄罗斯支付所有的损失和重建费用，不仅会减轻欧盟国家及其公民的负担，也能阻止俄罗斯在未来做出任何入侵的企图。
@MrEd8846
I would argue that its not only possible but in doing so it would gain partnerships
我认为，这不仅是可能的，而且这样做还能获得伙伴关系
I would argue that its not only possible but in doing so it would gain partnerships
我认为，这不仅是可能的，而且这样做还能获得伙伴关系
@estraume
The main resource Ukraine has lost that will never come back is all the people who have moved to the rest of Europe. When the war is over, the men will join their families in the EU countries. The war has lasted so long that the children have gotten used to the new countries they live in. They have a better life there, and they will not move back.
乌克兰失去的、永远不会回来的主要资源是迁往欧洲其他国家的那些人口。在战争结束后，男人们将到欧盟国家与家人团聚。战争已经持续了很长时间，孩子们已经习惯了他们所生活的新国家。他们在那里生活得更好，不会再搬回乌克兰来了。
The main resource Ukraine has lost that will never come back is all the people who have moved to the rest of Europe. When the war is over, the men will join their families in the EU countries. The war has lasted so long that the children have gotten used to the new countries they live in. They have a better life there, and they will not move back.
乌克兰失去的、永远不会回来的主要资源是迁往欧洲其他国家的那些人口。在战争结束后，男人们将到欧盟国家与家人团聚。战争已经持续了很长时间，孩子们已经习惯了他们所生活的新国家。他们在那里生活得更好，不会再搬回乌克兰来了。
@syohank
Investment in Ukraine from EU perspective is highly risky. Eastern Europe has always been considered the exploitable workforce for the northern industrial countries. The elites in Europe know this more than ever now considering if it’s not Eastern Europe then that workforce need to come from different countries outside Europe which amidst the current anti-migrant climate will not fly. The dependence of cheap workforce is so deeply structural in Northern Europe it is almost impossible to maintain current economy without grand restructuring which would require political mobilisation amidst current political climate would seem improbable.
从欧盟的角度来看，在乌克兰投资风险很大。东欧一直被认为是北方工业国家可以剥削的劳动力。欧洲的精英们现在比以往任何时候都更清楚这一点，他们认为如果不是东欧，那么劳动力就需要来自欧洲以外的不同国家，而这在当前的反移民氛围中是行不通的。在北欧，对廉价劳动力的依赖是根深蒂固的，如果不进行大的结构调整，几乎不可能维持目前的经济，而在当前的政治氛围下，这需要政治动员，这似乎是不可能的。
Investment in Ukraine from EU perspective is highly risky. Eastern Europe has always been considered the exploitable workforce for the northern industrial countries. The elites in Europe know this more than ever now considering if it’s not Eastern Europe then that workforce need to come from different countries outside Europe which amidst the current anti-migrant climate will not fly. The dependence of cheap workforce is so deeply structural in Northern Europe it is almost impossible to maintain current economy without grand restructuring which would require political mobilisation amidst current political climate would seem improbable.
从欧盟的角度来看，在乌克兰投资风险很大。东欧一直被认为是北方工业国家可以剥削的劳动力。欧洲的精英们现在比以往任何时候都更清楚这一点，他们认为如果不是东欧，那么劳动力就需要来自欧洲以外的不同国家，而这在当前的反移民氛围中是行不通的。在北欧，对廉价劳动力的依赖是根深蒂固的，如果不进行大的结构调整，几乎不可能维持目前的经济，而在当前的政治氛围下，这需要政治动员，这似乎是不可能的。
@mukkaar
I'm quite sure Ukraine can get to NATO post war as long as they can preserve democracy. Problem is EU, it seems like Ukraine and many other people think going to EU would be easier or could be fastracked as something that could ease Ukraine's entry into NATO.
But EU is political and economic unx with massive amount of laws and regulations nation needs to adhere to (something like 100k). I'm 100% behind helping Ukraine militarily and economically, but considering both current situation and Ukraine's past political situation with all the corruption and oligarchs etc. before the war. I just don't think it's realistic in any way for Ukraine to get into EU for foreseeable future. It would mean massive internal changes, which is much harder than reforming army to nato standard.
NATO on other hand is relatively easy as long as you get approval of other member states. It's not easy, but much easier. After all, it's military unx.
我非常确信，只要乌克兰能保持民主，他们就能在战后加入北约。问题在于欧盟，似乎乌克兰和许多其他国家的人都认为加入欧盟会更容易，或者可以快速加入欧盟，从而使乌克兰更容易加入北约。
但欧盟是政治和经济联盟，国家需要遵守大量法律法规（约 10 万条）。我100%支持在军事和经济上帮助乌克兰，但考虑到乌克兰目前的局势和乌克兰过去的政治局势，以及战前的腐败和寡头政治等。我认为在可预见的未来，乌克兰加入欧盟是不现实的。这将意味着大规模的内部变革，而这比按照北约标准改革军队要难得多。
而北约则相对容易，只要获得其他成员国的批准即可。加入北约虽然并不容易，但比加入欧盟要容易得多。毕竟，这是一个军事联盟。
I'm quite sure Ukraine can get to NATO post war as long as they can preserve democracy. Problem is EU, it seems like Ukraine and many other people think going to EU would be easier or could be fastracked as something that could ease Ukraine's entry into NATO.
But EU is political and economic unx with massive amount of laws and regulations nation needs to adhere to (something like 100k). I'm 100% behind helping Ukraine militarily and economically, but considering both current situation and Ukraine's past political situation with all the corruption and oligarchs etc. before the war. I just don't think it's realistic in any way for Ukraine to get into EU for foreseeable future. It would mean massive internal changes, which is much harder than reforming army to nato standard.
NATO on other hand is relatively easy as long as you get approval of other member states. It's not easy, but much easier. After all, it's military unx.
我非常确信，只要乌克兰能保持民主，他们就能在战后加入北约。问题在于欧盟，似乎乌克兰和许多其他国家的人都认为加入欧盟会更容易，或者可以快速加入欧盟，从而使乌克兰更容易加入北约。
但欧盟是政治和经济联盟，国家需要遵守大量法律法规（约 10 万条）。我100%支持在军事和经济上帮助乌克兰，但考虑到乌克兰目前的局势和乌克兰过去的政治局势，以及战前的腐败和寡头政治等。我认为在可预见的未来，乌克兰加入欧盟是不现实的。这将意味着大规模的内部变革，而这比按照北约标准改革军队要难得多。
而北约则相对容易，只要获得其他成员国的批准即可。加入北约虽然并不容易，但比加入欧盟要容易得多。毕竟，这是一个军事联盟。
@RoyGuerrero1904
Love Ukraine from USA ❤️
来自美国对乌克兰的爱
Love Ukraine from USA ❤️
来自美国对乌克兰的爱
@alexanderrose1556
Is rebuilding europe after ww2 even possible? yes ofc and if thats possible, this certainly is aswell..
二战后重建欧洲有可能吗?是的！如果重建欧洲有可能的话，重建乌克兰当然也是…
Is rebuilding europe after ww2 even possible? yes ofc and if thats possible, this certainly is aswell..
二战后重建欧洲有可能吗?是的！如果重建欧洲有可能的话，重建乌克兰当然也是…
@corvus_monedula
It's important to see money spent on rebuilding as investment, so private lenders should be happy to join, especially if there are political guarantees by the EU or G7.
The EU agricultural policy is due to reform anyway imho, maybe this is a potential topic for a future video?
重要的是要将用于重建的资金视为投资，因此私人贷款机构应该乐于加入，尤其是在欧盟或七国集团提供政治担保的情况下。
无论如何，欧盟的农业政策都应该进行改革，这也许是未来视频的一个潜在主题？
It's important to see money spent on rebuilding as investment, so private lenders should be happy to join, especially if there are political guarantees by the EU or G7.
The EU agricultural policy is due to reform anyway imho, maybe this is a potential topic for a future video?
重要的是要将用于重建的资金视为投资，因此私人贷款机构应该乐于加入，尤其是在欧盟或七国集团提供政治担保的情况下。
无论如何，欧盟的农业政策都应该进行改革，这也许是未来视频的一个潜在主题？
@tonysegadelli9421
Very interesting.
This topic is rarely talked about but is critical
很有趣。
这个话题很少被讨论，但却至关重要
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Very interesting.
This topic is rarely talked about but is critical
很有趣。
这个话题很少被讨论，但却至关重要
原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
@tstcikhthys
Thought provoking and insightful; very nice. It's always pleasantly surprising to see second languages speakers of English do a significantly better job of speaking it than supposed native speakers who can't seem to pronounce things properly or keep using nonsensical jargon like "impact".
发人深省，见解独到；非常好。以英语为第二语言的人，却说的这么好，超过了那些不能正确发音或一直使用诸如“影响”等荒谬术语的母语人士，这让人感到惊喜。
Thought provoking and insightful; very nice. It's always pleasantly surprising to see second languages speakers of English do a significantly better job of speaking it than supposed native speakers who can't seem to pronounce things properly or keep using nonsensical jargon like "impact".
发人深省，见解独到；非常好。以英语为第二语言的人，却说的这么好，超过了那些不能正确发音或一直使用诸如“影响”等荒谬术语的母语人士，这让人感到惊喜。
@benjaminwinchester3408
Something everyone who can, would prefer not to think about, but it must be thought about, so thanks!
这是每个人都不愿意去想的事情，但必须要去想，所以，谢谢你!
Something everyone who can, would prefer not to think about, but it must be thought about, so thanks!
这是每个人都不愿意去想的事情，但必须要去想，所以，谢谢你!
@ollifrank6255
All is possible, when people want it to be possible.
只要人们愿意，一切皆有可能。
All is possible, when people want it to be possible.
只要人们愿意，一切皆有可能。
@dudermcdudeface3674
There's clearly a will in Ukraine to make a better future, and that's the best predictor of success.
乌克兰显然有创造更美好未来的意愿，而这正是成功的最佳驱动力。
There's clearly a will in Ukraine to make a better future, and that's the best predictor of success.
乌克兰显然有创造更美好未来的意愿，而这正是成功的最佳驱动力。
@natkojurdana9673
Greetings from Croatia! Our last war ended 28 years ago, we've been a member of the EU for 10 years, NATO for 15 years, we are even in the Schengen area...
Croatia took less damage in four years of fighting than Ukraine did in two and we're still not done with rebuilding!
There are minefields and people still die (or get injured). Hatred towards other ethnic groups is still present. There are missing war victims whose graves are not known. Ex-soldiers still recieve pensions and benefits draining the budget funds. Society never fully mentally recovered from war (us vs them) mentality.
However most people do believe it was worth it since we didn't have much choice and had to defend our independence.
Ukraine has massive support of the West so I hope your recovery will be much faster
来自克罗地亚的问候！我们的上一次战争结束于28年前，我们加入欧盟也已经有10年了，加入北约有15年了，我们甚至还加入了申根区......
克罗地亚在四年的战争中所遭受的损失，比乌克兰在两年的战斗中所遭受的损失要少，而我们的重建工作还没有完成!
这里有雷区，仍然有人死亡（或受伤）。对其他民族的仇恨依然存在。仍有失踪的战争受害者，他们的坟墓无人知晓。退役军人仍在领取抚恤金和福利，耗尽了预算资金。社会从未从战争（我们和他们）的心态中完全恢复过来。
不过，大多数人都认为战争是值得的，因为我们别无选择，我们必须捍卫我们的独立。
乌克兰得到了西方国家的大力支持，因此我希望你们能更快地恢复。
Greetings from Croatia! Our last war ended 28 years ago, we've been a member of the EU for 10 years, NATO for 15 years, we are even in the Schengen area...
Croatia took less damage in four years of fighting than Ukraine did in two and we're still not done with rebuilding!
There are minefields and people still die (or get injured). Hatred towards other ethnic groups is still present. There are missing war victims whose graves are not known. Ex-soldiers still recieve pensions and benefits draining the budget funds. Society never fully mentally recovered from war (us vs them) mentality.
However most people do believe it was worth it since we didn't have much choice and had to defend our independence.
Ukraine has massive support of the West so I hope your recovery will be much faster
来自克罗地亚的问候！我们的上一次战争结束于28年前，我们加入欧盟也已经有10年了，加入北约有15年了，我们甚至还加入了申根区......
克罗地亚在四年的战争中所遭受的损失，比乌克兰在两年的战斗中所遭受的损失要少，而我们的重建工作还没有完成!
这里有雷区，仍然有人死亡（或受伤）。对其他民族的仇恨依然存在。仍有失踪的战争受害者，他们的坟墓无人知晓。退役军人仍在领取抚恤金和福利，耗尽了预算资金。社会从未从战争（我们和他们）的心态中完全恢复过来。
不过，大多数人都认为战争是值得的，因为我们别无选择，我们必须捍卫我们的独立。
乌克兰得到了西方国家的大力支持，因此我希望你们能更快地恢复。
@SimonNZ6969
One thing to remember is that the400-500 billion number would be spread out over many years, probably decades. They wouldn't need it all at once.
需要记住的一点是，这 4000-5000 亿的数字将分摊到很多年，可能是几十年。乌克兰不会一下子就需要这么多钱。
One thing to remember is that the400-500 billion number would be spread out over many years, probably decades. They wouldn't need it all at once.
需要记住的一点是，这 4000-5000 亿的数字将分摊到很多年，可能是几十年。乌克兰不会一下子就需要这么多钱。
@gargoyle7863
Fighting corruption became a matter of survival, thus we see a lot of progress since the war started. I think there will be economic success after the war when Ukraine follows the Path of the Baltics.
打击腐败已成为生死存亡的问题，因此我们看到自战争开始以来已取得了很大的进展。我认为，战后乌克兰将取得经济上的成功，如果乌克兰走上波罗的海之路的话。
Fighting corruption became a matter of survival, thus we see a lot of progress since the war started. I think there will be economic success after the war when Ukraine follows the Path of the Baltics.
打击腐败已成为生死存亡的问题，因此我们看到自战争开始以来已取得了很大的进展。我认为，战后乌克兰将取得经济上的成功，如果乌克兰走上波罗的海之路的话。
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