英美合并会是什么样子?(三)
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What would a UK-US merger look like?

英美合并会是什么样子?

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David James Sheets
It would look like this: Brexit, then Scottish succession. Recession and nationalistic depression would drive England and Wales to US. Wales would be 1 state and England would be four states, each with a population comparable to Ohio. Massive migration of Englishmen to US. 10 new senators. Monarchy - of course - abolished.

看起来是这样的:英国脱欧,然后是苏格兰继承政权主体。经济衰退和民族主义萧条将把英格兰和威尔士推向美国。威尔士将是一个州,英格兰将是四个州,每个州的人口与俄亥俄州相当。英国人大规模移民美国,新增10名新参议员。君主政体嘛,当然是被废除了。

Graham Grasdal
If it were decided that it would happen, how would Canada and the USA merge?
Briefly, it won't ever happen but the only way your scenario could happen would be 1) Quebec secedes and is independent 2) Newfoundland rejoins Great Britain

如果决定这样做,加拿大和美国将如何合并?
简言之,这永远不会发生,但你谈到的场景发生的唯一可能:
1、魁北克脱离并独立;
2、纽芬兰重新加入英国;

J. J. Grey
If it were decided that it would happen, how would Canada and the USA merge?
The Canadian citizens and provinces would be given all the rights of the US citizens and States , respectively. US citizens and states would would be given all the rights of the citizens and provinces of Canada. The Canadian parliament and US congress would have to merge and be assigned new location - Maybe somewhere in the west or on the great lakes. There would have to be a new election for president. The supreme court/judiciary would have to merge. A new constitution would have to be written for the combined nation, All laws would have to be rewritten for the new constitution.

如果决定这样做,加拿大和美国将如何合并?
加拿大公民和各省将分别享有美国公民和各州的所有权利。美国公民和各州将被赋予加拿大公民和各省的所有权利。加拿大议会和美国国会将不得不合并,并被分配到新的地点——也许在西部或五大湖的某个地方。必须重新选举总统。最高法院/司法机构将不得不合并。必须为合并后的国家起草一部新宪法,所有法律都必须为新宪法重写。

Steve Gray
Hypothetical scenario: Brexit causes the “special relationship” between the U.K. and US to lead to a new unx of the two. What events could trigger such an event?
None.
There is no way on earth the British would agree to being involved in such a pathetic system as the USA has unless they adopted all British laws, and I doubt the corporations who currently own the US government would accept that.
We would want a full universal health care system as a start, vastly improved environment laws, animal welfare standards, food safety standards, gun law changes etc. Big changes to the welfare system. Stricter laws on landlords.
We would want the electoral system changed so money could not buy a political post as it does now. Strict limits on political advertising, the election period reduced to 8 weeks to make that limit possible and make it easier for new parties to break into the current duopoly.
Police would have to be trained much better and made transparent to public scrutiny. Qualified immunity would be dropped. All police staff would be on a national database where complaints or convictions could be seen by anyone.
Hypothetical or not, it is impossible.

假设情景:英国脱欧导致英国和美国之间的“特殊关系”——两国形成新的联盟。什么事件会引发这样的事件?
没有一个
英国人不可能同意卷入像美国这样可悲的体系,除非他们采用所有的英国法律,我怀疑目前拥有美国政府的公司是否会接受这一点。
我们想要一个全面的全民医疗保健系统作为开始,大大改善环境法,动物福利标准,食品安全标准,枪支法律的变化等、福利制度发生重大变化、针对房东出台更严厉的法律。
我们希望改变选举制度,这样金钱就不能像现在这样买到一个政治职位。严格限制政治广告,选举期缩短至8周,以使这一限制成为可能,并使新政党更容易打破目前的双头垄断。
警察必须接受更好的培训,并在公众监督下保持透明。有条件豁免将被取消。所有警察人员都将在一个国家数据库中,任何人都可以看到他们的投诉或定罪。
不管是不是假设,这都是不可能的。

Ben Skirvin
If the US and UK agreed to merge, what would happen to the monarchy?
Hereditary titles of authority are specifically unconstitutional in the US.
No more Her Majesty's Ship, House of Lords, or Royal Marines.
The family might maintain its titles in a non-official capacity, but would not retain any official government standing.
In case you are wondering why the Brits would be forced to change and not the Americans, it's a question of size.
The US is much, much larger than Britain by both population and landmass. Many Americans are also not descended from English ancestors or have ancestors who were outright antagonistic towards Britain at the the time of their arrival in America.
While this past may not now cause feelings of animosity, neither does it engender much enthusiasm for the British crown.

如果美国和英国同意合并,君主制会发生什么?
在美国,世袭的权威头衔是特别违宪的。
不再是女王陛下的舰船、上议院或皇家海军陆战队。
世袭家族可能以非官方身份保留其头衔,但不会保留任何官方政府地位。
如果你想知道为什么英国人会被迫改变,而不是美国人,这是一个规模问题。
美国的人口和土地面积都比英国大得多。许多美国人也不是英国祖先的后裔,或者他们的祖先在他们到达美国时与英国还是完全敌对的。
虽然这段过去现在可能不会引起仇恨,但也不会让人们对英国王室产生太多热情

Robert Charles Lee
If the US and UK agreed to merge, what would happen to the monarchy?
There’s going to be a helluva lot of sticking points in that kind of unx or merger.
For starters, the biggest sticking point is the constitution — one’s codified and the other isn’t. What’s more, the U.S. Constitution boils down to how things should be done, whereas the British one boils down to how things have always been acceptably done. If anyone can get those two constitutions meet halfway, I’ll hand by my law degree and licence, and lick the feet of that person. Not gonna happen with the constitutional mismatch.
But the real awkward mess is how the USA will ‘dictate’ its own terms to the UK in such a merger — and the British will just go ballistic at this, just like the American will too if the reverse situation happened. The American and the British are fighters at heart more than anything else, and just don’t like to be told “do it or else.”
As to the Royal Family, I don’t think they will ultimately feel one way or another. Apart from the inevitable sadness (probably not lasting too long, I think) of seeing the loss of monarchy, the royals are out-and-out pragmatists. Facing the prospect of a unx with any country (not just the USA), the royals are going to realistic and hard-headed enough to accept that they’ll be out of the picture in some way. Loss of power and loss of monarchy are occupational hazards with royal families anywhere.

如果美国和英国同意合并,君主制会发生什么?
在这种联合或合并中会有很多棘手的问题。
首先,最大的症结是宪法——一个是成文的,另一个不是。更重要的是,美国宪法归结为事情应该如何做,而英国宪法则归结为事情总是如何被接受。如果有人能让这两份宪法折中,我就把我的法律学位和执照交给那个人,然后给他舔脚。宪法不匹配导致这根本不会发生。
但真正尴尬的是,在这样的合并中,美国将如何向英国“强加”自己的条款——英国人会对此大发雷霆,就像如果发生相反的情况,美国也会对此大发雷霆。美国人和英国人本质上都是战士,完全不喜欢别人告诉他们“要么这样,要么这样”。
至于王室,我不认为他们最终会有这样或那样的感觉。除了看到君主制的丧失不可避免的悲伤(我认为可能不会持续太久),王室成员是彻头彻尾的实用主义者。面对与任何国家(不仅仅是美国)联合的前景,王室成员将会现实而冷静地接受他们将以某种方式退出的事实。在任何地方,失去权力和君主制对任何地方的王室来说都是职业危害。

Valerie Hulley
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
A2A - By what stretch of imagination do you assume Canadians instigate suggestion of a U.S./Canada merger? This Canadian assures you Canada meant it when defeating America in the War of 1812. I’m sure America would love to get its hands on Canadian resources, abundant supply of fresh water and dominion over vast regions of the Arctic. Americans consumed with delusions of superiority pose tiresome suggestion of a merger - Canadians shake their heads and laugh it off.
Theoretical good or bad idea? Try preposterous
Canadians don’t envy America, truth is we count ourselves lucky not to be born in the U.S.

为什么有这么多关于美加合并的帖子和问题?人们很容易认为这个想法最多来自加拿大人,而不是美国人。从理论上讲,各种各样的合并对每个国家来说是好是坏?
邀请回答-你凭什么想象加拿大人会提出美国/加拿大合并的建议?加拿大人向你保证,加拿大在1812年战争中击败美国时是认真的。我相信美国会很乐意获得加拿大的资源、丰富的淡水供应和对北极广大地区的统治权。被优越感折磨的美国人提出了令人厌烦的合并建议——加拿大人摇摇头,一笑了之。
理论上看,它是好主意还是坏主意?荒谬的尝试
加拿大人并不嫉妒美国,事实是我们很庆幸自己没有出生在美国。

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Luis Rodrigues
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
Let’s start with addressing the second part of your question: “it’s easy to assume the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most”.
Wow. Really ? What evidence would you have to suggest that ?
I’m willing to bet a year’s pay that if you took a poll of, say, a million Canadians, you would find about ZERO that would want to merge Canada with that mess called the United States.
I can think of dozens of reasons Canadians don’t want to merge with the U.S., but since I don’t have time to enumerate them, let’s go with these:
We have universal health care and we like it that way.
We have gun control and we like that too.
Generally, Canadians don’t understand the American politics of divisiveness, a culture built on fearing your neighbour that seems to believe that it’s Ok to shoot your neighbour, but it’s NOT ok to pay for their health care
So, to your question:
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
I’m guessing that many questions come from Americans, and the question is really the equivalent of “If I’m so great then why doesn’t she love me?”.
Or more correctly, “If we’re as great as we think we are then why doesn’t the rest of the world want to be us?”.
Sorry to be harsh but this question got on my nerves.

为什么有这么多关于美加合并的帖子和问题?人们很容易认为这个想法最多来自加拿大人,而不是美国人。从理论上讲,各种各样的合并对每个国家来说是好是坏?
让我们从解决问题的第二部分开始:“很容易认为这个想法来自加拿大人,而不是美国人”。
哇!你有什么证据可以证明这一点?
我愿意用一年的薪水打赌,如果你对100万加拿大人进行民意调查,你会发现几乎没有人想把加拿大和那个叫美国的烂摊子合并。
我能想到加拿大人不想与美国合并的几十个原因,但由于我没有时间一一列举,让我们从以下几个方面着手:
我们有全民医疗,我们喜欢这种方式。
我们有枪支管制,我们也喜欢这样。
一般来说,加拿大人不理解美国的分裂政治,一种建立在对邻居的恐惧之上的文化,这种文化似乎认为向邻居开枪是可以的,但又不能为他们的医疗费用买单。
因此,对于你的问题:
为什么有这么多关于美加合并的帖子和问题?人们很容易认为这个想法最多来自加拿大人,而不是美国人。从理论上讲,各种各样的合并对每个国家来说是好是坏?
我猜很多问题都来自美国人,这个问题实际上相当于“如果我这么棒,她为什么不爱我?”。
或者更正确地说,“如果我们像我们想象的那样伟大,那么世界其它地方为什么不想成为我们呢?”。
很抱歉这么难听,但这个问题让我很紧张。

Robert Reid
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
These questions are not coming from Canadians. You can take that to the bank. This is Americans playing out the Monroe Doctrine's “manifest destiny”, which they take to mean that the US deserves to have all of Canada. This whole thing is stupid and just plain annoying. Canadians absolutely do not want to be Americans. Not now, not ever.

为什么有这么多关于美加合并的帖子和问题?人们很容易认为这个想法最多来自加拿大人,而不是美国人。从理论上讲,各种各样的合并对每个国家来说是好是坏?
你可以相信这个事实:这些问题不是加拿大人提出的。这是美国人在演绎门罗主义(Monroe Doctrine)的“天定命运”(manifest destiny),他们认为这意味着美国理应拥有整个加拿大。这整件事很愚蠢,很烦人。加拿大人绝对不想成为美国人。现在不会,永远也不会。

Aston Kwok
What would a UK-US merge look like?
Very powerful.
Trade across the Atlantic would increase dramatically.
Its navy, already the dominant in the one, would be even more unchallenged.
Its soft power would be immense.
Heck! What on earth are you guys waiting for?

英美合并会是什么样子?
非常强大
大西洋两岸的贸易将大幅增长。
它的海军,已经在其中占主导地位,将更加不受挑战。
它的软实力将极为强大。
见鬼!你们到底在等什么?

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Joe Roberts
Originally Answered: What would a UK-US merge look like?
Really dumb and so preposterous as to be barely worth thinking about.
It would be a return to the situation pre-1776. Now who is going to go for that? Beyond that, I don't know what it would look like. Both countries already have so many similarities and shared cultural attributes (yes, we do like to bicker about the differences, but they're fairly minor in the spectrum of human variety) and chain restaurants, that a "merger" might not change anything all that much.

最初回答:英美合并会是什么样子?
真的很蠢,很荒谬,几乎不值得思考。
这将回到1776年以前的情况,现在谁会去干这件事呢?除此之外,我不知道它会是什么样子。这两个国家已经有了很多相似之处和共同的文化特征(是的,我们确实喜欢为差异而争吵,但在人类的多样性中,这种差异相当小)和连锁餐厅,“合并”可能不会改变任何事情。

Tasilo von Heydebrandt
The chance of the United Kingdom becoming part of the United States approaches true zero. First of all, it currently consists of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and various other small principalities, not all of which would or could become American. If their prime minister went insane and actually proposed this, it could only be after they dissolved their monarchy. The American constitution actually proscribes titles as they are known in the UK; indeed, part of the reason for the American Revolution was that no person was above anyone else in society, at least technically. So we have no Sirs, Lords, Ladies, Countesses, and very particularly, we have no Kings or Queens. So all of those people would have to renounce their titles.

英国成为美国一部分的可能性几乎为零。首先,它目前由英格兰、苏格兰、北爱尔兰和其他各种小公国组成,并非所有这些公国都会或可能成为美国的一部分。如果他们的首相疯了,真的提出了这个建议,那只能是在他们解散君主制之后。美国宪法实际上禁止英国所称的头衔;事实上,美国革命的部分原因是,在社会上没有人能凌驾于任何人之上,至少在理论上是这样。因此,我们没有君主、贵族、女士、伯爵夫人,尤其是,我们没有国王或王后。因此,所有这些人都将不得不放弃他们的头衔。

Mark Jeffrey
About the only thing that is the same in the two countries is a large chunk (far from all) of the English language.
The culture is different.
The accents are different, as is pronunciation of the same words.
The politics are utterly different.
The social classes are different (USA based on money, UK on family and schooling).
The legal systems are different (though both were originally based on ancient English law they are now very much diverged).
The sense of humour is different (some works in both countries, much of it doesn’t).
The health, education, policing, and military systems are very different.
Attitudes to religion are very different.
Sports are different (Britain’s being more aligned with the rest of the world than the USA).
In any case, any merger would upset both countries far too much.
If the British were brought into the American system, the British would obxt to losing their Parliament, monarchy, and personal freedoms, and the Americans would obxt to having their politics shunted massively to the left by hundreds of additional centrist (left-wing by American standards) congresspeople and senators.
If the Americans were brought into the British system, many of them would obxt to having religious freedom, gun control and free healthcare foisted upon them. There is no pleasing some people.

这两个国家唯一相同的是英语的很大一部分(远非全部)是相同的。
文化是不同的。
口音不同,同一个单词的发音也不同。
政治完全不同。
社会阶层不同(美国以金钱为基础,英国以家庭和学校为基础)。
法律体系各不相同(尽管两国最初都是以古代英国法律为基础的,但现在分歧很大)。
幽默感是不同的(有些梗是两国都认可,但大部分幽默点不同)。
卫生、教育、治安和军事系统大不相同。
对宗教的态度大不相同。
体育是不同的(英国与世界其他地区的联系比美国更紧密)。
无论如何,任何合并都会让两国感到非常不安。
如果英国人被纳入美国体系,英国人将反对失去议会、君主制和个人自由,而美国人会反对他们的政治大量转向左翼——会出现数以百计的中间派(按照美国的标准是左翼)国会议员和参议员。
如果美国人被纳入英国体系,他们中的许多人会反对将宗教自由、枪支管制和免费医疗强加给他们——取悦某些人是不可能的。

Leon Markham
I have strong views on this, which I have shared on this and other forums many times. There is a great cultural and social opportunity to bring together the West Coast, Northern and North Eastern states of the USA, Canada and the UK, in a broad, inclusive and prosperous nation.
Every constituent part must be recognized and honored. We will therefore be very careful about the naming of this great nation:
From The Dominion of Canada we will take the word “The”
From The United States of America we will take the word “United”
From the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland we will take the word “Kingdom”
This beacon of freedom will quickly become the envy of the world. In order that our friends over the ocean feel included, we will let them nominate a new royal family - we suggest the Schwarzeneggers as an option but are open to suggestions.

我对此有强烈的看法,我在这个论坛和其他论坛上多次分享过。这是一个巨大的文化和社会机会,可以将美国西海岸、北部和东北部各州、加拿大和英国聚集在一起,形成一个广阔、包容和繁荣的国家。
每一个组成部分都必须得到承认和尊重。因此,我们将非常小心地命名这个伟大的国家:
从“加拿大自治领(The Dominion of Canada )”中我们取" The "这个词
在“美利坚合众国(The United States of America )”,我们将使用“United”一词
在“大不列颠及北爱尔兰联合王国( the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland )“的“Kingdom”一词
这座自由的灯塔将很快成为全世界羡慕的对象。为了让大洋彼岸的朋友们感到自己也被纳入其中,我们将让他们提名一个新的皇室家族——我们建议施瓦辛格家族作为一个选择,但我们愿意接受大家的建议。

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