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Scott Welch
Europe does stop illegal immigrants, by making it difficult for them to work.
The USA, by contrast, is filled with millions of individuals and corporations who love hiring undocumented workers, and who do so. Therefore illegal immigrants are encouraged to both come to and stay in the USA.
Too bad the USA has so many people who keep paying illegal immigrants.

欧洲确实有通过让非法移民难以找到工作来阻止他们。
相比之下，美国到处都是喜欢雇佣无证工人的个人和公司。因此，美国鼓励非法移民来美国并留在美国。
太糟糕了，美国竟然有这么多人一直在给非法移民付钱。
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Alberic Mahawan
Americans keep hiring them. Anyone from rich Democrats and Republicans hire them. So do small businesses. Expand the guest worker program and allow those who pay taxes without using any welfare programs to fast track into getting a green card.
Punish those who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Most illegals come here for jobs. If few hire them, they will be fewer in numbers.

美国人一直在雇佣他们。任何富有的民主党人和共和党人都雇佣他们，小企业也是如此。扩大外来务工人员计划，允许那些不使用任何福利项目而纳税的人快速获得绿卡。
惩罚那些故意雇用非法移民的人。大多数非法移民来这里找工作。如果很少有人雇佣他们，他们的数量就会减少。

Cheryl Williams
they are visa overstays and for some reason that is not actually a crime in our immigration law. It doesn't even come with a fine. If you can afford to fly, you can overstay your visa, but if you have to walk they treat you like a criminal when you cross the border.
Are you a racist if you dislike illegal immigration and want to send them back?

他们是签证逾期居留者，出于某种原因，在我们的移民法中，这实际上不是犯罪。甚至不需要罚款。如果你负担得起飞机票钱，你可以逾期居留，但如果你必须步行，当你越过边境时，他们会把你当成罪犯。
如果你不喜欢非法移民并想把他们遣送回国，你是种族主义者吗？

Rita Ru
Quora will likely ban me for life for this answer, but I am still going to answer this
I am a legal immigrant to the US and I am utterly shocked, disheartened and disappointed when I see the wave of answers here supporting illegal immigration, as well as the wave of democrats on TV fighting for illegal immigrants and actually labeling them immigrants, which they are not.
I read someone’s answer on here and that enraged me so much, I actually had to step away from the computer and eat something ( I eat when anxious lol). According to them if illegal immigrants provide cheap labor ( cheap gardening help) it is reason enough to support illegal immigration, tacitly saying yes, yes you are a racist if you dislike illegal immigration.

Quora可能会因为这个答案而终身禁止我，但我仍然会回答这个问题。
我是美国的合法移民，当我看到这里支持非法移民的答案浪潮，以及电视上为非法移民而战的民主党浪潮，实际上他们不是移民，我感到非常震惊、沮丧和失望。
我在这里看到了一个人的回答，这让我非常愤怒，我不得不离开电脑去吃点东西(我焦虑的时候就吃东西，哈哈)。根据他们的说法，如果非法移民提供廉价劳动力（廉价园艺帮手），那就有足够的理由支持非法移民，如果你不喜欢非法移民，你就是一个种族主义者。
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She mentioned something about random chance, sheer luck she was born in the US. Please tell me, what in life is not sheer luck ? Murderers, rapists, child molesters etc are also on some level products of random chance. If they were perhaps born in better loving homes, had not been abused themselves, or even if abused, had better personal character and could process the hurt better, they might not have turned out that way. In life, what is not random chance ? Rich people, your skin color, your gender, your health all to an extent random chance. Why do some people get raped ? You would possibly say oh the guy was a bad guy, no fault of the girl. Some would say oh the girl provoked. I have as yet not experienced any such brutality ( by God’s grace). Would you say there r specific things I did to avoid being raped ? Remember, that would be victim blaming. You would be indirectly saying that the women who have been assaulted did something specific to invite such an attack. They planned the time and place to show up to get assaulted. That is absurd. All things in life, including such brutal stuff is to a great extent random chance. Rapists too become so, due to very many random chances. Does that absolve them of their behavior ? NOPE.

她提到了一些偶然的事情，她出生在美国纯属运气。请告诉我，生活中有什么不是纯粹的运气?杀人犯、强奸犯、猥亵儿童者等在某种程度上也是随机性的产物。如果他们出生在更有爱的家庭，自己没有被虐待，或者即使被虐待，有更好的个性，可以更好地处理伤害，他们可能不会变成那样。人生中，有什么不是偶然的?富人，你的肤色，你的性别，你的健康在某种程度上都是随机的。为什么有些人会被强奸？你可能会说，哦，这家伙是个坏人，不是女孩的错。有些人会说，哦，是这个女孩挑衅导致的；我还没有经历过这样的暴行(感谢上帝的恩典)。你会说我做了一些具体的事情来避免被强奸吗？记住，那就是指责受害者。你会间接地说，被袭击的女性做了一些特定的事情来引发这样的袭击。他们计划好了出现的时间和地点，准备被袭击。这是荒谬的。生活中的所有事情，包括这些残酷的事情，在很大程度上都是随机性的。强奸犯也是如此，因为有很多随机的机会。那就能因此赦免他们的行为吗?不行。

Similarly if you are poor and therefore just decide to enter another country without going through their immigration process, your poverty does not absolve you from personal responsibility. You broke the law, you need to be deported. If you involved your kids in this mess, they will and they should suffer. No human being exists, not Bill Gates, not you, not me, there is no human being that exists or has existed till this moment that was not impacted by the actions of their parents. We inherit our looks, health, money, our culture from our parents. When parents pass on good things, we claim it as a right. Similarly if your parents crossed with you illegally into a country, you ought to be deported.the way you inherit wealth from your parents( few would give it up saying I did not earn it), so should you inherit the burden of their misdeeds. You were not supposed to benefit from the US to begin with. So back to your country you go.

同样，如果你很穷，因此决定在没有经过移民程序的情况下进入另一个国家，你的贫困并不能免除你的个人责任。你违反了法律，你需要被驱逐出境。如果你让你的孩子牵扯进来，他们会受苦、也应该受苦。没有人不受父母行为的影响，包括比尔·盖茨，你，我，没有人不受父母行为的影响。我们从父母那里继承了我们的长相、健康、金钱和文化。当父母把好的东西传给孩子时，我们把它当作一种权利。同样，如果你的父母和你非法入境，你就应该被驱逐出境。你从父母那里继承财富的方式（很少有人会说我不配得到它），所以你也应该有承担他们恶行的责任；你一开始就不应该从美国受益，所以回到你的国家去吧。

Societies came up with a bunch of rules and laws specifically to reduce the impact of random chance. You study hard you get better grades. We don’t say, oh random chance you were not blessed with a better brain or a better home. Would that woman who posted that answer be OK if I walked into her home to partake of her privileged life ? Citing random chance ? Think not.

社会专门制定了一系列规则和法律来减少随机性机会的影响。你努力学习，你就会取得更好的成绩。我们不会说，哦，碰巧你没有一个更聪明的大脑或碰巧你没有出生在一个更好的家庭。如果我走进她家分享她的特权生活，那个贴出答案的女人会同意吗?会引用随机性的机会吗?想想都不可能同意的。

Countless legal immigrants come to this country seeking the same fortune the illegal immigrants come here for. The legal immigrants work harder than the illegals. They pay hefty fees to go through the immigration process. Make countless family related sacrifices and even material sacrifices to make it here. I arrived here on an F1 visa on which you are not allowed to work except for the univ you are attending. That too only 20 hrs. I lived on $400 a month during those years. Of this $300 was for rent n internet and a cricket phone. Could not even get my eyebrows done because $10 was too much money. I did not have any assistantship. I took out a personal loan back home and purchased dollars with that and used that for living expenses. Did not see a dentist for 3 years, no money. No illegal immigrant ever lives like this. Becsuse they are illegal, they freely work illegally.

非法移民来这里是为了寻求与来到这个国家的无数合法移民相同的财富。合法移民比非法移民更努力。他们为办理移民手续支付高额费用。做出无数与家庭有关的牺牲，甚至是物质上的牺牲，才能来到这里。我是持F1签证来到这里的，除了你就读的大学，F1签证不允许你在其他地方工作。那也只有20个小时。在那些年里，我每月靠400美元生活，其中300美元用于租用互联网和一部板球电话。我甚至连眉毛都无法修，因为于我而言，修眉毛要花掉10美元，这太多了。我没有任何助教奖学金。我在家里借了一笔个人贷款，将这笔钱兑换成美元，用来支付生活费。因为没钱三年没看过牙医了。没有非法移民会过这样的生活，因为他们是非法的，他们可以自由地非法的参加工作。

I followed the rules because I was a legal immigrant. People talk about family separations, reuniting families etc. I feel betrayed. When students come here, don’t they get separated from their families ? Are you expecting your govt to give a visa for the entire family of the student ? I got married to another student on an f1 visa here, had to live apart for 7 years because he was doing his PhD and post doc at a university far from where I was studying and later working. Why live apart ? Because to maintain legal status I had to do what my visa was given for. Could not just quit and come stay with spouse. I would lose status. Thanks to all this, I am going to be childless for life.
We spent $11000 on the green card process. $7000 for the lawyer and rest for USCIS fees and tests etc. The wait time was some 20 years for the average person from my country. I regret coming to the US when I see how much people support illegal immigration. It is utterly ruthless to the legal immigrant.

我遵守规则是因为我是合法移民。人们谈论家庭分离、家庭团聚等等，我感到被背叛了。当学生来到这里，他们不是和家人分开了吗?你期望你的政府给学生全家发放签证吗?我和另一个拿f1签证的学生结婚了，不得不分开住了7年，因为他在一所大学读博士和博士后，离我学习和工作的地方很远。为什么要分开住?因为为了保持我的合法身份，我必须按照签证的规定去做。不能就这么辞职和配偶住在一起，不然我会失去合法身份。由于这一切，我一辈子都没有孩子了。
我们花了11000美元办理绿卡，花了7000美元律师费，其余费用就是美国移民局的费用和检查费等。对于我们国家的人来说，平均等待时间是20年左右。当我看到这么多人支持非法移民时，我后悔来到美国。这对合法移民来说是完全无情的。

Do our families not matter ? Do you know how much money we spend to go through the process ? And someone gets to bypass the entire process because of your political agenda ? You think you are a better person for supporting illegal immigration ? BS. I HAVE COME TO DESPISE DEMOCRATS FOR THEIR BS AGENDA AND HYPOCRISY. Anyone that understands the concept of basic fairness would never support illegal immigration.
When people are seeking better lives they have to be willing to make sacrifices. I do not get to see my parents or stay with them. For 7 years I did not get to stay with my husband. All because I followed immigration rules to a tee. And now I see all these so called liberals calling anyone against illegal immigration racists. Well then, I, a brown woman who speaks with an accent, am a big time racist.

我们的家庭不重要吗?你知道我们要花多少钱来完成这个过程吗？就因为你的政治目的有人可以绕过整个程序吗?你认为你支持非法移民是一个更好的人吗?瞎搞；我已经开始鄙视民主党的愚蠢议程和虚伪，任何理解基本公平概念的人都不会支持非法移民。
当人们寻求更好的生活时，他们必须愿意做出牺牲。我不能见我父母，也不能和他们住在一起。我整整7年都没能和我丈夫待在一起。这一切都是因为我遵守了移民规则。现在我看到所有这些所谓的自由主义者称任何反对非法移民的人都是种族主义者。那么，我，一个说话带口音的棕色皮肤的女人，就是一个彻头彻尾的种族主义者。

Amber Handy
I once worked at a very well known fast food restaurant. We had a whole slew of illegal Mexican immigrants (who were always late by the way, and quite conveniently did not speak English) and three LEGAL immigrants from the Philippines. These three were some of the nicest, coolest people I got to work with, in the three-too-many years that I worked there. They spent a lot of money to be here, and they were working damn hard to send money back home to get their loved ones here. They had pride in themselves and their work, spoke perfect English, always arrived to work on time…and hated the Mexican illegals.
Now, why do you think that would be? Do you think they were racist for that? I know for a fact that that they were not. They hated these people because they didn't even care enough to follow all the rules and pay the money citizenship costs. It wasn't, and STILL IS NOT fair.
I've also worked with a legal Mexican who came here (again, legally) when he was 18, learned to speak English fluently, and worked hard to obtain a Class A driver's license with tank and hazmat endorsements and got an excellent job driving a tanker. He was married here and had a son. Never once did he complain about the process, money or hardship. He was a great American, and a good friend of mine.
It's not racist to expect that everyone should follow the same laws and rules of conduct. That's what being a real American is all about.
Edit: Wow, I've never received so many upvotes for implying that people should follow the law. Thanks, everybody.

我曾经在一家非常有名的快餐店工作。我们这儿有一大批墨西哥非法移民（顺便说一句，他们总是迟到，而且很巧的是，不会说英语）和三名来自菲律宾的合法移民——这三个人是我在那里工作了三年多的时间里，遇到的最好、最酷的人。他们花了很多钱来到这里他们拼命工作，寄钱回家以让他们的亲人来这里。他们对自己和自己的工作感到自豪，说一口流利的英语，总是准时上班，并且憎恨墨西哥非法移民。
你觉得为什么会这样?你认为他们是种族主义者吗?我知道他们不是。他们讨厌这些人，因为他们根本不在乎需要遵守的所有的规则，也不在乎支付获得公民身份的费用。这放在以前是不公平的，放到现在也是不公平的。
我还和一位有合法身份的墨西哥人一起工作过，他18岁时（再次说下是合法途径）来到这里，学会了流利的英语，努力获得了A级驾照，并获准能够驾驶运输灌装液体和危险品的汽车，并找到了一份开油罐车的好工作。他在这里结婚并育有一子。他从来没有就这个过程、金钱或遇到的困难抱怨过。他是一个非常棒的美国人，也是我的好朋友。
期望每个人都遵守同样的法律和行为规则并不是种族主义，通过合法手段获得移民身份的人才是一个真正的美国人。
编辑：哇，我从来没有因为暗示人们应该遵守法律而得到这么多点赞，谢谢大家。

Matthew Bates
You are a racist if you judge people by their race alone, either positively or negatively.
Here are two pictures, One is the GOP congressional interns, and one is the Democrat congressional interns:
If you have positive or negative feelings about those pictures and what they represent, based upon nothing more than the races of the people in the pictures… then you’re the racist. You’re literally judging people by the color of their skin, and not the content of their character.
But some people, particularly on the political left in this country, will never believe that. Seeing people for their race is a part of their dogma.
Anyway, a lot of legal immigrants actually support Trump and his border policies:

如果你只根据种族来评判别人，不管是正面的还是负面的，你就是一个种族主义者。
这里有两张照片，一个是共和党的国会实习生，一个是民主党的国会实习生。
如果你只基于照片中人的种族对这些照片及其所代表的东西有正面或负面的感觉，那么你就是种族主义者。你实际上是根据人们的肤色来评判他们，而不是根据他们性格方面的信息来评判他们。
但是有些人，特别是这个国家的政治左派，永远不会相信这一点。根据人的种族去评判他人——这是他们的信条。
不管怎样，很多合法移民实际上支持特朗普和他的边境政策的:

Asian, Muslim and Latino immigrants across USA helped Trump and GOP win
Which makes sense. When you do things right and play by the rules to get something, then see others cheat and get that same thing, you’re bound to be upset.
The whole “if you’re for enforcing immigration laws, then you’re a racist” idea is just the latest version of something liberals and Democrats have been doing for a long time: trying to silence opposition by labeling them as racist or sexist. It worked better in the past, before the rise of alternative media and the tanking of trust in traditional media. Now it’s become a joke to many on the right. Or rather, a term of endearment. They’ve co-opted the label and made it their own, much like other groups have done with labels that used to be slurs against them .
Being a right-winger in America means waiting for someone on the left to call you “racist,” then pointing out that they’re the ones judging people by their race. You’ll have that conversation a few times, before you just give up and accept that they’ll never see it that way, and you know that you’re not racist, and let them believe whatever they want.

美国各地的亚洲、穆斯林和拉丁裔移民帮助特朗普和共和党获胜
这是有道理的。当你做正确的事情并按规则行事以获得某些东西，然后看到其他人作弊并得到同样的东西，你一定会感到沮丧。
整个“如果你支持执行移民法，那么你就是种族主义者”的想法只是自由派和民主党长期以来一直在做的事情的最新版本：试图通过给反对者贴上种族主义或性别歧视的标签来压制他们。在过去，在另类媒体兴起和人们对传统媒体失去信任之前，这种做法效果更好。现在，这对许多右翼人士来说成了一个笑话。或者更确切地说，是一个可爱的术语。他们接受了这个标签，并把它变成了自己的标签，就像其他群体对待曾经对他们有侮辱性的标签一样。
在美国，成为右翼意味着等待左翼人士称你为“种族主义者”，然后指出他们是根据种族来评判人们的人。你会进行几次类似的对话，然后你放弃解释并接受“他们永远不会改变认知的事实”，你知道你不是种族主义者，让他们去相信他们想要相信的任何东西吧。