印度人在美国定居值得吗?(二)
2023-12-22 汤沐之邑 2224
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Is settling in the USA worth it for an Indian?

印度人在美国定居值得吗?

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Laurence Sarner
Is settling in the USA worth it, being an Indian?
I can speak to this question from an interesting perspective. I have a lot of good Indian friends who I’ve worked with who originally entered the US on H1-B visas. Virtually all of them have stayed and have become US citizens. My original relationship with many of them was as an IT project manager. Nearly all were either software engineers or business system analysts who I worked with in carrying out a long software development life cycle under tight deadlines.
I personally have been to India once before as well as other developing countries in Asia. I previously spent 2 years in South America working for a Fortune 25 company, so I have a lot of experience, unlike typical Americans, in seeing what life is like in other parts of the world.

作为一个印度人,在美国定居值得吗?
我可以从一个有趣的角度来回答这个问题。我有很多与我共事过的印度好朋友,他们最初是持H1-B签证进入美国的。事实上,他们所有人都留下来并成为美国公民。我最初与他们中的许多人的关系是作为IT项目经理。几乎所有人都是软件工程师或业务系统分析师,我曾与他们一起在紧迫的最后期限内完成漫长的软件开发的生命周期。
我个人以前去过印度一次,也去过亚洲其他发展中国家。我曾在南美一家财富25强公司工作过2年,所以与典型的美国人不同,我对世界其他地方的生活了解颇多。

My Indian friends in the US overall like the quality of life that the US has to offer. However, they have retained many of their own cultural nuances. For example, quite literally every one of my Indian friends had an arranged marriage. Also, frequently I’m asked a lot of questions about cultural differences such as “Why are there so many divorces here?”, “Why do people wait so long to get married?”, “Why do American movies have so much violence in them?”, etc., etc. Even though we jokingly point out cultural differences, they are happy here.

我在美国的印度朋友总体上喜欢美国提供的生活质量。然而,他们保留了许多自己的文化差异。例如,我的印度朋友都是包办婚姻。此外,我经常被问到很多关于文化差异的问题,比如“为什么这里有这么多离婚现象?”、“为什么人们等了这么久才结婚?”、”为什么美国电影中有这么多暴力?“等等。尽管我们开玩笑地指出文化差异,但他们在这里很开心。
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From another perspective, at some high tech networking events, I have met many Indians who have settled here to open up a US office for an offshore coding operation based in India. They are doing this to open a sales/business development presence. So, for someone asking a question about the business/entrepreneurial opportunities by coming here, there are a lot of great opportunities, especially in onshore/offshore software development businesses.
Overall, I agree with many of the perspectives in the other answers. Some people come here and long for home and eventually want to go back. The answer is complex and subject to one’s personal preferences in life.

从另一个角度来看,在一些高科技网络活动中,我遇到了许多印度人,他们在这里定居,为总部位于印度的离岸编码业务开设美国办事处。他们这样做是为了建立一个销售/业务发展机构。因此,对于来这里询问商业/创业机会的人来说,这里有很多不错的机会,尤其是在岸/离岸软件开发业务方面。
总的来说,我赞同其他答案中的许多观点。有些人来到这里,渴望回家,最终想回去。答案是复杂的,取决于个人的生活偏好。

Anonymous
First things first. I am answering this question anonymously because I have no interest in engaging in pointless arguments. These are my opinions and experiences only and you can disagree but you don’t need to tell me that. I am just stating what’s on my mind.
Alright then! A bit about me. I grew up in Jammu. I have lived in some of the biggest cities in India namely Delhi NCR, Mumbai, Pune and Bangalore. I moved to the USA about five years ago from Bangalore. I am a software developer by profession and also mom to a little girl.

第一件事。我之所以匿名回答这个问题,是因为我对毫无意义的争论没有兴趣。这些只是我的观点和经验,你可以不赞同,但你不需要告诉我,我只是说说我的想法。
好吧!关于我的一些情况,我在查谟长大。我在印度的一些大城市生活过,比如德里、孟买、浦那和班加罗尔。我大约五年前从班加罗尔搬到美国。我的职业是软件开发人员,也是一个小女孩的妈妈。

My husband and I decided to move because the opportunity presented itself to us and we took it. He was offered a position in the same company which meant more growth opportunities for him. Yes, more money was also a factor and so was a better lifestyle. Also, a chance to see more of the world and experience things we haven’t before in a completely new society.
My husband lived in the USA before so it wasn’t anything new for him. For me, it was the first time in this country. I had travelled to Europe and UK before so it wasn’t my first time abroad but it was new and different. I try to keep an obxtive mind and see the good and the bad. The USA has so much to offer! It’s a beautiful, diverse and impressive country. I live in Texas and let me tell you I have met the friendliest people here. Were there challenges? Of course! There always are.

我丈夫和我决定搬家,因为机会出现在我们面前,我们抓住了它。他在同一家公司获得了一个职位,这对他来说意味着更多的发展机会。是的,能赚更多的钱也是一个因素,更好的生活方式也是一个原因。此外,在一个全新的社会里,有机会看到更多的世界,体验我们以前没有经历过的事情。
我丈夫以前住在美国,所以这对他来说并不是什么新鲜事。于我而言,这是第一次来到这个国家。我以前去过欧洲和英国,所以这不是我第一次出国,但来美国是新的、不同的体验。我看到好的一面和坏的一面,尽量保持客观的心态。美国有很多东西可以提供!这是一个美丽、多样化、令人印象深刻的国家。我住在得克萨斯州,告诉你吧,我在这里遇到了最友好的人。在美国有挑战吗?当然!总会有的。

Most people have a view of the USA based on what they’ve seen in movies and TV shows. That’s like thinking india is what they show in Bollywood movies and TV serials! The reality always is more nuanced, complex and intricate.
You are not guaranteed a happy retirement anywhere. You are not guaranteed a good relationship with your kids anywhere. You are not guaranteed companionship anywhere. You are not guaranteed good health anywhere. You are not guaranteed family happiness anywhere. You are not guaranteed work life balance anywhere.
I fell in love with this country but that doesn’t mean that I lost the love I have for India. You can love two things at once! I actually find lots of similarities between India and USA. A few examples:

大多数人对美国的看法都是基于他们在电影和电视节目中看到的。这就像认为印度就是宝莱坞电影和电视剧里展示的那样!现实总是更微妙、更复杂、更错综复杂。
没有人能保证你在任何地方都能过上幸福的退休生活。你不能保证在任何地方都和你的孩子保持良好的关系。你不能保证在任何地方都有人陪伴。你在任何地方都不能保证身体健康。你在任何地方都不能保证家庭幸福。你在任何地方都无法保证工作与生活的平衡。
我爱上了这个国家,但这并不意味着我失去了对印度的爱。你可以同时爱这两个国家!事实上,我发现印度和美国有很多相似之处,举几个例子:

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Both are strong democracies where people choose the government. A thing both countries value the most.
Both are religious countries but the constitution is independent of any religion.
Both are beautiful with all kinds of topography. Deserts, mountains, coasts, forests, marshland, lakes, rivers, waterfalls,hills, plains and valleys we’ve got it all.
Both are former colonies that broke away from the British empire and redefined themselves.
Both love sports, movies, music and food.
Both have hardworking people who want to make life better for themselves and their families.

两者都是由人民选举政府的强大民主国家,这是两国最看重的东西。
两国都是宗教国家,但宪法独立于任何宗教。
两国都很美丽,地形各异。沙漠、山脉、海岸、森林、沼泽地、湖泊、河流、瀑布、丘陵、平原和山谷我们都有。
两国都是脱离大英帝国并重新定义自己的前殖民地。
两国都喜欢运动、电影、音乐和美食。
两国都有勤劳的人民,他们想为自己和家人创造更好的生活。

Both have friendly and lively people who just want to have a good time.
Both countries are very diverse. India is diverse with each state having its own language, food, traditions etc.
Both even have similar problems. India has caste system and communalism. The USA has racism. Either way it’s prejudice based on immutable characteristics of a person.
Both are obsessed with their beverage of choice. Coffee for US and Chai for India. I love both!
Both have amazing colleges and universities. History and culture that is rich and interesting.
Both have people that are very patriotic. Americans love America. Indians love India.
That is not to say that there aren’t any differences. The USA is a developed country and India is on its way. India has made so much progress but we still have work left to do.

两国都有友好活泼的人,他们只想玩得开心。
两国都非常多样化。印度是多元化的,每个邦都有自己的语言、食物、传统等。
两国甚至都有类似的问题。印度实行种姓制度和社群主义。美国存在种族主义。无论哪种方式,这都是基于一个人不变特征的偏见。
两国都痴迷于自己选择的饮料。美国人喝咖啡,印度人喝印度茶,而我都喜欢!
两国都有令人惊叹的学院和大学、都有丰富而有趣的历史文化。
两国都有非常爱国的人。美国人爱美国、印度人爱印度。
这并不是说两国没有任何区别。美国是一个发达国家,而印度正在发展中。印度已经取得了很大进展,但我们仍有工作要做。

Below I will list some pros of USA:
Infrastructure here is good. Roads are clean and well maintained. Most things can be done online. 24 hour electricity and water.I know it’s changing in India but it’s not at par with US yet.
You don’t have to deal with corruption in day to day life. India has taken some steps in this direction but i have had recent personal experiences that beg to differ.
Laws are applied strictly and you can’t pay money to get out of sticky situations. People follow rules. Something I find funny is that the same people who criticize corruption in India will miss being able to get out of a ticket or violation by bribing the police. You can’t have sextive corruption only when it works in your favor.
Air and water are mostly clean. Of course they will vary. India is one of the biggest contributors to greenhouse gases in the world. Almost no recycling programs and some smaller cities don’t even provide municipal garbge collection. I have seen this in Jammu.

下面我将列出一些在美国生活的优点:
这里的基础设施很好:道路干净,维护良好。大多数事情都可以在网上完成,24小时供电和供水。我知道印度的情况正在发生变化,但还没有达到美国的水平。
你不必在日常生活中处理腐败问题。印度已经朝这个方向采取了一些措施,但我最近的个人经历却大相径庭。
法律执行得很严格,在美国你不可能花钱摆脱困境。人们遵守规则。我觉得有趣的是,那些批评印度腐败的人会怀念通过贿赂警察来摆脱罚单或违法行为的机会。你不能只有在对你有利的时候才有选择性的腐败。
空气和水大多是干净的。当然,它们会有所不同。印度是世界上最大的温室气体排放国之一。几乎没有回收项目,一些小城市甚至不提供市政垃圾收集服务。我在查谟看到过这种情况。

There is more security. Things like emergency services, police, fire department, ER, lifeguards, roadside assistance, home security companies etc. are dependable and do their job. I personally know people who have lost family in India because the ambulance didn’t show up on time or no one helped them after an accident.
There is infrastructure for physically disabled people. Reserved parking spots, hand rails or ramps, special toilets and special accommodations in places like museums, zoos and even amusement parks.
Individualism is celebrated in US. It’s not that family is not valued but it doesn’t define a person. Family is very important to American culture but so is defining yourself as a person and not just as a member of a family.
People don’t kick their kids out at 18 and don’t want anything to do with them anymore. That’s a myth. Also, kids don’t abandon their parents. Kids have their own lives and parents also have their own lives. People romanticize about the joint family system in India but that has so many disadvantages, mainly for women.

美国有更多的安全性。紧急服务、警察、消防部门、急诊室、救生员、路边救援、家庭安全公司等都是可靠的,都能做好自己的工作。我个人认识一些在印度失去家人的人,就因为救护车没有及时赶到,或者事故发生后没有人给他们提供帮助。
美国有为身体残疾的人提供基础设施。博物馆、动物园甚至游乐园等地的预留停车位、扶手或坡道、特殊厕所和特殊住宿。
在美国个人主义很受欢迎。并不是说家庭不受重视,但它并不能定义一个人。家庭对美国文化来说非常重要,但把自己定义为一个人而不仅仅是一个家庭的一员也很重要。
人们不会在孩子18岁时就把他们赶出去,不想再和他们有任何关系。这是一个神话。此外,孩子不会抛弃他们的父母。孩子有自己的生活,父母也有自己的生活。人们把印度的联合家庭制度浪漫化,但它有很多缺点,主要是对女性而言。

People are polite and say hello, excuse me, thank you etc. In India, it would be absurd to hello to a stranger specially for a woman.
Tons of parks, museums, aquariums, libraries, rec centers etc. Many are free or subsidized by the city.
The national and state parks program is such a great achievement for the US. India needs to implement something similar to protect our natural gifts.
Mostly cashless economy which helps in keeping corruption down.
Customer is king in US. In India, most places don’t have free returns and exchanges.
Customer service is better here because of which I don’t mind the tip.

人们都很有礼貌,会说你好、对不起、谢谢等等。在印度,向陌生人打招呼是荒谬的,尤其是对一个女人来说更是如此。
有大量的公园、博物馆、水族馆、图书馆、娱乐中心等。许多都是免费的或由城市提供补贴。
国家公园和州立公园项目对美国来说是一个巨大的成就。印度需要采取类似的措施来保护我们自然的馈赠。
主要是无现金经济,这有助于减少腐败。
在美国,顾客至上。在印度,大多数地方都没有免费退换货服务。
这里的客户服务比较好,所以我不介意给小费。

People are professional, on time and will take responsibility.
You can sample cuisine from all over the world. People love food here and there is a restaurant from almost every country. Real foodies like to experiment and try new things. I love to cook and eat but why should I limit myself to Indian food only? It’s my favorite but I like variety.

人们是专业的,准时的,会承担责任。
你可以品尝来自世界各地的美食。人们喜欢这里的食物,几乎每个国家餐馆都有。真正的美食家喜欢试验和尝试新事物。我喜欢做饭和吃饭,但为什么我只能吃印度菜呢?印度菜是我的最爱,但我喜欢多样化。

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In service of fairness, I will now list some pros of India:
You will be physically closer to family and friends. Kids get to see grandparents more often. It’s easier to go to a relatives house or attend weddings etc. No argument there!
Domestic help is affordable and easily available making that aspect of life more comfortable. In USA, manual labor is very expensive. Families have to share chores and everyone contributes. My husband had to learn basic skills around the house which he is quite proud of but it depends on the person.

为了公平起见,我现在列出一些印度的优点:
你会与家人和朋友更加亲近。孩子们可以更经常地见到祖父母。去亲戚家或参加婚礼等更容易也是毫无疑问的!
家庭帮助是负担得起的,而且很容易获得,使生活的这一方面更加舒适。在美国,体力劳动非常昂贵。家庭成员必须分担家务,每个人都需要做出贡献。我丈夫必须在家里学习基本技能,他对此感到非常自豪,但这取决于个人。

Service providers like painter, gardeners, tailors etc are fairly cheap so you don’t have to DIY.
You don’t have to pay ten types of insurance. Here we have insurance for life,health,dental,eye,house,car,rental plus travel insurance for visiting parents.
There is more excitement in the air and festivities around Diwali,Navratri, Holi etc. We love festivals in India. Ofcourse those will be more celebrated in India. In the USA, all of that happens at Christmas, Halloween etc.
India has good medical facilities available for affordable prices. Healthcare system is a mess in America that only benefits the insurance companies.
Higher education is good but not so exorbitantly expensive like in the USA. Overall, schools are good too but we do put too much emphasis on academic achievement.
India in the recent past has invested a lot in better public transport systems. I could easily live without a car in India but most parts of America require a car per family if not per adult.

像油漆工、园丁、裁缝等服务提供商都相当便宜,所以你不必自己动手。
你不必付十种保险。我们这里有人寿保险、健康保险、牙科保险、眼科保险、房屋保险、汽车保险、租赁保险,还有探望父母的旅行保险。
排灯节、纳夫拉特里节、胡里节等节日气氛更加激动人心,我们喜欢印度的节日。当然,这些在印度会更受欢迎。在美国,所有这些都发生在圣诞节、万圣节等。
印度有物美价廉的医疗设施。美国的医疗体系一团糟,只对保险公司有利。
高等教育很好,但不像美国那么贵。总的来说,学校也很好,但我们确实过于强调=学术成就。
最近,印度在改善公共交通系统方面投入了大量资金。在印度,没有车我也能轻松生活,但在美国的大部分地区,即使不是每个成年人都需要一辆车,也是每个家庭都需要一辆车。

India has a strong and growing entrepreneur culture even in smaller cities. This is a recent phenomenon but it’s very prominsing. Not to say that US doesn’t have it but I think it’s easier to start a business in India.
You’re already a citizen so no worrying about visa or waiting for green card.
Indian beauty parlors are better. Had to be said!
So overall, I would say both countries are amazing in their own way. If you keep an open mind then you can build a great life for yourself and your family in either one. This question is about worth which is very subjective. What is worthy to me might not be to you and vice versa.
I love living in the USA and currently have no plans to go back. I love going to India and enjoying myself there. I love seeing the growth and prosperity in India. I love the new found confidence in Indian youth and the national pride. I love the social progress in India. I love that I get to enjoy two incredible countries and cultures.

即使在较小的城市,印度也有着强大且不断发展的企业家文化。这是最近才出现的现象,但非常突出。并不是说美国没有,但我认为在印度创业更容易。
你已经是美国公民了,所以不用担心签证或等待绿卡。
不得不说,印度的美容院更好。
所以总的来说,我想说这两个国家都有自己的惊人之处。如果你保持开放的心态,那么你可以为你自己和你的家人建立一个美妙的生活。这个问题是关于价值的,是非常主观的。对我来说有价值的东西对你来说未必有价值,反之亦然。
我喜欢住在美国,目前没有回去的计划。我喜欢去印度,在那里玩得很开心。我喜欢看到印度取得发展和繁荣。我喜欢印度年轻人新获得的自信和民族自豪感。我喜欢印度的社会进步。我喜欢我能享受两个令人难以置信的国家和其文化。

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