话题讨论:GJ-11“利剑” - 用于中国航母的无人攻击机 part2
2024-02-25 碧波荡漾恒河水 10580
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The PLA Navy intends to field a navalised GJ-11 UCAV on its catapult-equipped aircraft carriers, a capability not available to the US Navy.

中国海军打算在其配备弹射器的航空母舰上装备一款海军版GJ-11无人驾驶飞机,这是一种美国海军不具备的能力。

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@razrose2380 You have to admire the way that the Chinese take considered and logical steps to achieve their aims. America has many more carriers but not all can be deployed at once and attempting to use them to control the seas around Taiwan would result on total disaster.

我们不得不佩服中国人采取深思熟虑和合乎逻辑的步骤来实现他们的目标的方式。美国有更多的航母,但不是所有的航母都可以同时部署,试图用它们来控制台湾(地区)周围的海域将导致全面的灾难。

@jiokl7g9t6 Expect the PLAN to standardise on the Type 004 once its bugs are ironed out. With plenty of drones. In fact I'm surprised that we haven't seen a 2 seat J-35 yet.

一旦004型的缺陷得到解决,预计中国海军将对其进行标准化。搭载很多无人机。事实上,我很惊讶我们还没有看到双座型J-35。

@RectalRooter Almost no U.S Navy vids / pics in the video. I'm proud of you.

视频中几乎没有美国海军的视频/图片。我为你感到骄傲。

@springtime1838 Am wondering if the QJ-11 and other UCAV could in time give the older Type 001/002 Carriers a new life as ISR systems are getting better and better allowing for missions like "better than nothing" AEW and EW and Communications nodes and considering the CATOBAR option for the type 76 am betting the PLAN/PLANAF is going for STOBAR/CATOBAR UCAV as a alternative to VTOL UCAV's and VTOL aircraft F-35 and V-247 and good old MV-22 for Tanker and EW

我想知道,QJ(GJ)-11和其他无人机能及时让较老的001/002型航母再次焕发青春吗?因为ISR系统越来越好,可以实现诸如“聊胜于无”的反潜和电子战任务,并担任通讯节点,而且考虑到076型的弹射选项,我打赌中国海军/中国海军航空兵会追求滑跃/弹射式无人机,作为垂直起降无人机和垂直起降飞机的替代品,就像美国的F-35和V-247,以及传说中的MV-22作为加油机和电子战飞机。

@zulkanainbaharuddin2185 It will on the type 075 & 076. That's for sure.

它会登上075/076型。这是肯定的。
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@tvgerbil1984 The Americans appear to be content to use their UAVs, the MQ-25s, mostly as aerial refueling drones for their fighter bombers so as to allow their fleet carriers to operate at a safer distance away from the shore of their targets. They don't seem to believe that UAVs can survive or operate successfully under intense electronic warfare environment. Maybe the Chinese GJ-11s can prove the Americans wrong but there is no way to tell until they are tested in battles against well-equipped adversaries.

美国人似乎很满足于使用他们的mq -25无人机,主要是作为战斗/轰炸机的空中加油无人机,以便让他们的航母舰队在远离目标海岸的更安全发距离上行动。他们似乎不相信无人机能够在激烈的电子战环境下生存或成功操作。也许中国的GJ-11可以证明美国人错了,但在与装备精良的对手进行战斗之前,没有办法知道。

@brianboye8025 I don't think the US Navy rejection of the UCAV was rational. We have a tendency to develop a revolutionary military design only to cease development just when it gets useful. Don't worry other peers will then field then. Oh well.

我不认为美国海军拒绝无人战机是理性的。我们有一种倾向,发展出一种革命性军事设计,结果在它有用的时候停止发展。别担心,其他同行也会这么做。哎呀,真可惜。

@phils4634 Seems AVIC have started operational testing of this weapon. Obviously low-observability, and the "official" comment states the two bays are (at least initially) designed to hold pairs of bombs rather than air to air missiles at this stage, however analysts suggest the potential to carry such weapons.

似乎中航工业已经开始对这种武器进行操作测试。它显然是低可观测性,而且“官方”评论说,现阶段这两个弹仓(至少最初)设计用于容纳成对的炸弹,而不是空对空导弹,然而分析人士认为有可能携带这种武器。
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As it is, the GJ-11 is fast (600kts max. speed), with a 2 tonne payload capacity, service ceiling of over 40,000 feet, and maximum range of 4000km. It appears to have a range of available ELINT / EW modules including various radar modules, and IR / Surveillance modules. It is also optimised to operate with China's existing J-20 fleet, probably with a significant degree of AI autonomy (so reducing drone pilot workload). As it currently stands, there is no drone equivalent in the west, which appears to be causing "quite" some concern in the US - "The Drone-Gap is widening" comes to mind!

事实上,GJ-11速度很快(最大600节)。速度),具有2吨有效载荷能力,飞行高度超过40000英尺,最大航程4000公里。它似乎有一系列可用的电子情报/电子战模块,包括各种雷达模块和红外/监视模块。它也被优化为与中国现有的J-20机队一起操作,可能具有相当程度的人工智能自主性(从而减少无人机飞行员的工作量)。就目前而言,西方没有类似的无人机,这似乎在美国引起了“相当”的担忧——“无人机差距正在扩大”的想法浮现在脑海中!
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@gelinrefira 4000 km range ? So a combat radius of 1500-2000km? That doesn't sound realistic even for a drone.

4000公里射程? 那么作战半径是1500-2000公里? 即使对无人机来说,这听起来也不现实。

@gelinrefira Does the GJ-11 has recon capability? It does not look like it has extensive radar since its shape does not seem to be able to house a powerful radar. It also does not seem to have a IRST, electro-optic systems. It look more like a dedicated ground strike drone or a AA missile truck. If it can carry long range cruise missiles or anti-radiation missiles, then it will be a formidable addition to the PLAN carriers.

GJ-11有侦察能力吗? 它看起来不像有广泛的雷达,因为它的形状似乎无法容纳强大的雷达。它似乎也没有IRST(红外线探测与追踪),电光系统。它看起来更像是一架专门的地面打击无人机或空空导弹卡车。如果它能携带远程巡航导弹或反辐射导弹,那么它将成为中国海军航母的强大补充。
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Time will tell how the PLAN will use this drone.

时间会告诉我们解放军海军将如何使用这种无人机。

@zix_zix_zix I don't think it is going to have powerful recon capabilities; its primary mission seems to be to infiltrate heavily guarded airspace and perform precision strikes.

我不认为它会有强大的侦察能力;它的主要任务似乎是渗透到戒备森严的空域并进行精确打击。
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@user-jp2tf5fj5k No its just a bomber, PLA will use WZ-8 to recon.

不,它只是一架轰炸机,解放军会用无侦-8来侦察。

@hongliangding-kr3en

什么时代了,A导B打不知道吗?空警600或者歼20探测出敌机,指引歼11无人机发射导弹打击(期间可以用卫星辅助指引)

@quintinshobe109 Anybody heard anything about the FH-97 loyal wingman drone ??

有人听说过FH-97无人忠诚僚机吗??

@morallee6826 Of course,Fh97 will be a partner of J20-S

当然,FH-97将成为J20-S的伙伴。

@nostradamus2642 The white elephant F-22 only good for shooting at balloons are being prematurely retired while the F-35 is a dead duck but is too big (jobs across many states and money) to fail. Meanwhile the USAF receives new F-15EX in very small numbers which is the only thing that works.

只擅长打气球的累赘的F-22正在过早退役,而F-35注定要完蛋,而且项目大到不能失败(其工作横跨许多国家,涉及巨额资金)。与此同时,美国空军接收的新F-15EX数量非常少,这是唯一管用的东西。

@azbgames6827 Most of the problems of the F-35 have been ironed out and the unit price is now lower than the EX and Super Hornet. The F-35s sensors are superior to all combat aircraft in American service and has comparable maneuverability and acceleration to the F-16 and better AOA.

F-35的大部分问题已经解决,单价现在比F-15EX和超级大黄蜂还低。F-35的传感器优于美国服役的所有作战飞机,具有与F-16相当的机动性和加速度,并且具有更好的AOA。

@djtan3313 @azbgames6827 more agile than f16? Haha. No.

@azbgames6827 比f16更敏捷? 哈哈。才不是。

@jaihindersingh Cpp droon looks weeak. Becas dhey copii Amerikka, Britiss, koriia or jepain. But after copii, cpp onlii caan maek tofu teknologhee, puor kwalitee

肿郭的五仁级看起来很弱。因为他们抄袭阿麦瑞卡、带英、带韩或立本。但抄袭之后,他们只能制造豆腐一样的技术装备,质量很差。

@ayatollahrocknroller7632 @jaihindersingh Slum dog needs English lesson

@jaihindersingh 贫民窟的狗需要好好学英语。

@jaihindersingh @ayatollahrocknroller7632 slam doog is millionhaiir. Doont yu waach de phamoos movii abowd how riich vii ar?

@ayatollahrocknroller7632 贫民窟的狗是百万富翁。你没看过那个著名的电影吗?

@KrazeDiamond Bro you don't know how advanced the F-35 really is, it can auto eject the pilot then fly off on its own. Turly advanced.

兄弟,你不知道F-35到底有多先进,它可以自动弹出飞行员,然后自己飞走。真正的先进。

@camt8804 @KrazeDiamond F-35 keeps winning contracts because the countries that buy it know it's capabilities. How are Chinese fighter sales going

@KrazeDiamond F-35不断赢得合同,因为购买它的国家知道它的能力。中国战机销售进展如何?

@KrazeDiamond @camt8804 Yea bro it's extremely capable!

@camt8804 是的,兄弟,它非常有能力!

@jameslum8822 @jaihindersingh .....towel Singh writing gibberish english again

@jaihindersingh ……穷鬼辛格又在写蹩脚的英语了。

@accountantthe3394 @camt8804 Arms procurement has always been a political game tho Saudis continued purchasing Patriots after they failed to stop unguided Houthi rockets lMao S.Korea and Japan had to upgrade the Arleigh burkes they got since it's trash. Japanese had a hard time with F2 fighters that were basically copies of F16s.

@camt8804 然鹅武器采购一直是一个政治游戏,沙特在爱国者拦截胡塞的无制导火箭失败后继续购买爱国者,韩国和日本不得不升级他们得到的阿利伯克,因为它是垃圾。日本人在F2战斗机上遇到了困难,这些战斗机基本上是F-16的复制品。

So don't talk about tech capabilities mate: US even begged Pakistan to sell them advanced PL-15Es when Chinese missiles far outranges AMRAAMs haha

所以不要谈论技术能力,朋友:当中国导弹远远超过阿姆拉姆时,美国甚至请求巴基斯坦向他们出售先进的pl-15e,哈哈。

@taiwanstillisntacountry LOL. Where do the 400kg of rare-earth minerals for any F-35 comes from? Let me give you a clue, it doesn't come from India

哈哈。 F-35所需的400公斤稀土矿从何而来? 给你一个提示,它不是来自印度。

@johnbodman4504 Yes the US has backed itself into a corner, while relying on the poor peforming f-35.

是的,美国依靠性能不佳的F-35,把自己逼到了一个角落。

@camt8804 @johnbodman4504 Everybody wants to buy the f-35. It's not only the best fighter on the market it's also one of the most affordable. It's turned out to be one of the best US weapons programmes in history.

@johnbodman4504 每个人都想买f-35。它不仅是市场上最好的战斗机,也是最实惠的战斗机之一。事实证明,这是美国历史上最好的武器计划之一。

@camt8804 @taiwanstillisntacountry It doesn't come form China either

@taiwanstillisntacountry 也不是来自中国.

@KrazeDiamond @camt8804 F-35 may be high-performing, but in terms of comfort, it can't compete with India's super toilets. Keep coping.

@camt8804 F-35的性能可能很高,但就舒适度而言,它无法与印度的超级厕所竞争。继续嘴硬。

@taiwanstillisntacountry Psssst, D-boi, did you know, 70% of the raw-materials of the pharmaceutical industry of the British-Raj, comes from the PRC?

你知道吗,英属印度制药业70%的原料来自中国。
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Did you know, 80-95% of the raw-materials of the USA pharmaceutical industry comes from the PRC?

你知道吗,美国制药业80% -95%的原料来自中国?

Did you know the remaining % of the USA pharmaceutical industry, comes from the British-Raj?

你知道吗,美国制药工业其余的原料来自英属印度?

Where would you be without the PRC?

没有中国的话,你们会如何?

Psssst D-boi, did you know the parts of the iPhones of made in the British-Raj, 100% comes from the PRC?

你知道吗,英属印度“制造”的iPhone手机部件,100%来自中国?

In the PRC, the iPhones have 0 defaults, in the British-Raj, the iPhones have 50% defaults.

中国制造的iPhone故障率为0,而印度制造的手机故障率50%。

So why is the British-Raj, ranked 111th on the hunger-index of 125 countries?

那么,在125个国家的饥饿指数排名中,为什么英属印度排在第111位呢?
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Why so many people have hunger in the British-Raj?

为什么在英属印度有这么多人挨饿?

The British-Raj buys 135B from the PRC.

英属印度从中国购买1350亿美元的货物。

The PRC buys 35B from the British-Raj.

而中国从英属印度购买350亿。
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You guys should buy

你们应该买马桶。

@nostradamus2642 @taiwanstillisntacountry Did you know that BYD insisted up-front payment from the dodgy Indians before delivering the EV buses. BYD also told them only USD accepted and not dunny Rupee paper.

@taiwanstillisntacountry 你知道吗,比亚迪在交付电动公交车之前,坚持让狡猾的印度人预付货款。比亚迪还告诉他们,只接受美元,不接受厕纸卢比。
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@taiwanstillisntacountry The British-Raj : We talk, We brag, We lie, We cheat, We scam, We dream, We eat a veggie-curry, We watch Bollywood movies. Empty vessels makes to most noise.

英属印度: 我们说话, 我们吹牛, 我们说谎, 我们作弊, 我们诈骗, 我们做梦, 我们吃素咖喱, 我们看宝莱坞电影。 空瓶子最响。

@taiwanstillisntacountry @nostradamus2642 Even the Russian Federation doesn't want rupy-rupy, but demands payments in Chinese ¥uan. Moo-di is very angry @nostradamus2642

就连俄罗斯联邦也不想要“撸撸比”,而是要求用人民币付款。 莫迪一怒之下怒了一下。

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