泰国也有像中国一样对白皙皮肤的迷恋吗？

skyfishrain Pretty sure all of south east Asia does

很肯定整个东南亚都是这样

Ken3sei Yeah it's pretty much all of Asia. The reasoning behind it is associated with class. Dark skin people typically are the ones working the fields while the Fair skin richer folks stay out of the sun.

是的，几乎整个亚洲都是如此。背后的原因与阶级有关。皮肤黝黑的人通常在田间劳作，而皮肤白皙的富人们则避免晒到太阳。

CrabAppleBapple Used to be a thing in western countries too, until going on holiday was more of a signifier of wealth/success.

这种现象在西方国家也曾出现过，直到度假成为财富和成功的象征。

cb_hanson_III Not so much for the men. Lots of Korean and Japanese males, including professionals, are pretty tan from golfing, outdoor activities, etc. I don't think SE Asian males care much at all about sunscreen, even though for sure the ads feature pale men.

对于男人来说则不然。很多韩国和日本男性，包括专业人士，都因为打高尔夫、户外活动等而晒得黝黑。我认为东南亚男性对防晒根本不在意，尽管广告中肯定会出现脸色苍白的男性。

paultbangkok Yes you only need to go to the skincare sections of shops and see the products. It is a multi billion dollar industry here.

是的，你只要去商店的护肤品区看看产品就知道了。这是一个价值数十亿美元的产业。
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Rooikatjie242 Very rare to see a non fair skinned Thai on an advertisement too

也很少在广告里看到皮肤不白的泰国人

16_Sho_Bola OP Does it extend to movies also?

这种情况也延伸到电影吗？

SlovesTed01 Yes, as fairness is one of the beauty traits. Many actors and actresses are mixed raced as well. That's not to say they only cast people who are fair.

是的，因为白皙是美丽的特征之一。许多演员也是混血儿。但这并不是说他们只选取白皙的人。

stingraycharles Yes, unless they need to depict a poor / unfortunate person.

是的，除非他们需要描绘一个贫穷/不幸的人。

Let_me_smell Yes, tanned folks tend to be used for comedic effect.

是的，皮肤黝黑的人往往被用来制造喜剧效果。

Rooikatjie242 So fucked up

这也太操蛋了

COMMANDO_MARINE In the West, tanned people are associated with travel and wealth, and pasty white people associate with poor health. In Asia, dark tanned skin is associated with poor people working outdoors in the fields, and white skin is associated with wealth and being able to stay indoors. Often thai girls who stay with foreigners and go to live in western countries will pick up on the difference and will happily sun bathe on the beach when they come back to Thailand for holidays as they know how desirable it is back home in the west. I remember am ex thai girlfriend who lives in the UK getting strange looks as she lounged on the beach soaking up the sun in Pattaya but UK winters are enough to make anyone love the sun.

在西方，皮肤黝黑的人与旅行和富裕联系在一起，而皮肤白皙的人则与健康状况不佳联系在一起。在亚洲，皮肤黝黑的人与在户外田间劳作的穷人联系在一起，而皮肤白的人则与富有和可以呆在室内联系在一起。通常，与外国人在一起并去西方国家生活的泰国女孩会意识到这种差异，当她们回到泰国度假时，会很高兴地在海滩上享受日光浴，因为她们知道在西方的家是多么令人向往。我记得我住在英国的前泰国女友在芭堤雅的海滩上晒太阳时，别人会用异样的眼光看她，但英国的冬天足以让任何人爱上阳光。

escopaul Great points. However much of Latin America (part of "the West") have an obsession with the fair skinned equals status worldview too.

很棒的观点。然而，拉丁美洲的大部分地区（“西方”的一部分）也痴迷于“皮肤白皙就等于有地位”的世界观。

504090 Latin America is considered to be within the global south. “The west” has a geographic element but it’s mostly a cultural/political categorization, even Australia and NZ are considered western nations.

拉丁美洲被认为属于全球南方。“西方”有地理因素，但主要是文化/政治分类，甚至澳大利亚和新西兰也被视为西方国家。

bartturner Yes. most definitely. My Thai friends avoid the sun like the plague. So I asked them once what they would choose between a street that is sketchy to walk on but offers great shade and a street that is super safe but no shade. They said the street with shade ;) But my Thai friends also look a lot younger than myself. Apparently avoiding the sun helps with that.

是的，完全是这样。我的泰国朋友像躲瘟疫一样躲着太阳。有一次，我问他们，在一条虽然不安全但却能遮阳的街道和一条虽然超级安全但却没有遮阳的街道之间，他们会选择哪条。他们说，有树荫的街道;) 不过，我的泰国朋友看起来也比我年轻很多。显然，避开阳光有助于年轻。

SleepySiamese Women are like vampires here. They only go out at night or to malls so they won't have to see the sun. 99% of the beautity products are sunscreen or has sun blocking+whitening+whatever. At this point makes them glow in the dark or some sht.

这里的女人就像吸血鬼。她们只在晚上出去或去商场，这样就不用看到太阳了。99%的美容产品都是防晒或者防晒+美白+什么的。反正就是要让她们亮到在黑暗中发光。
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venom-snake27 What do you mean apparently. of course that’s why a lot of white people age like shit the sun is our worst enemy so sun screen is the best thing for looking younger that’s why there are saying black don’t crack because their skin has more protection from the sun and Asian don’t raisin because again they go crazy with sun screen and avoiding the sun.

你说的很对，这就是为什么很多白人衰老得这么快，因为阳光是我们最大的敌人，所以防晒霜是让我们看起来更年轻的最好东西，这也是为什么有人说黑人不会干裂，因为他们的皮肤有更多的防晒保护，而亚洲人不会晒黑，因为他们会疯狂地使用防晒霜和避免晒太阳。

swissprice I am currently reading a book about the Thai culture and they mention that darker skinned people are perceived lower class because it is assumed that they work in a farm job or similar (working outdoors under the sun). My (Thai) girlfriend told me that people do not think like that, or at least not anymore. I guess it may vary based on the region (maybe more prent in high societies in big cities).

我目前正在阅读一本关于泰国文化的书，书中提到皮肤较黑的人被认为是下层阶级，因为人们认为他们从事农活或类似工作（在太阳下从事户外工作）。我（泰国）的女朋友告诉我，人们不会这样想，至少现在不会了。我猜这可能因地区而异（也许在大城市的上流社会更普遍）。

patrickv116 Maybe they don’t think like that anymore, but I believe it still lays at the root of the whole skin whitening phenomenon. The weird/funny thing is that in modern days, it’s just the opposite of the western world (now), where a tan skin is supposed to show that you can afford to take holidays in sunny and exotic locations, but where it - not so very long ago - also used to be the same as it is here now: a tan meant you were lower class, white “fair” skin meant you belonged to the upper class and didn’t have to work outside. Humans are silly and vain animals. We all want the opposite of what nature gave us…

也许他们现在不再这么想了，但我相信这仍然是整个美白现象的根源。奇怪/有趣的是，在现代社会，这与西方世界（现在）恰恰相反，在西方世界，皮肤晒得黝黑表明你有能力到阳光充足的异国他乡度假，但在不久前，西方世界的情况也与现在一样：皮肤晒得黝黑意味着你是下层阶级，皮肤白皙意味着你属于上层阶级，不用外出工作。人类是愚蠢而虚荣的动物。我们都希望得到与自然赋予我们的相反的东西...

vulcanstrike They don't think you are a farmer per se, but they do think they are from a farming province and therefore not from Bangkok. Thais are not a homogenous people and are divided at minimum between Northern, Central and Southern Thai, and even then you get regional splits (for example, Bangkok thinks they are better than everyone else, as most capital cities do). Basically, it's a superiority thing. Having darker skin generally marks you out as not being a native urban person and indicates you are from a poorer and less educated region. Neither of those things have to be true in reality, but you will be judged for it nevertheless, even if proven to not be the case.

他们不会认为你本身就是农民，但他们会认为自己来自农业省份，因此不是曼谷人。泰国人不是民族同质化的国家，至少分为泰北人、泰中人和泰南人，即便如此，你还会遇到地区分裂（例如，曼谷人认为他们比其他人都要优越，大多数首都城市都是这样）。基本上，这是一种优越感。皮肤黝黑的人通常会被认为不是土生土长的城市人，并表明你来自较贫穷和受教育程度较低的地区。这两件事在现实中都不一定是真的，但你还是会因此受到评判，即使事实证明并非如此。

slipperystar The 'invisible' social caste system. Life is easier here the whiter you are.

“隐形”的社会种姓制度。在这里，你越白，生活就越轻松。

h9040 At some point it turns around....if you are really rich than you are free of it.

在某些时候，情况会发生逆转……如果你真的很富有，那么你就摆脱了它。

Mayoday_Im_in_love No, in the west it was exactly the same with the idea of poor, sun drenched farm workers. There was a little relaxation of the idea in the 19th Century with leisure around water. In the 60s a "healthy tan" took off with being able to show off jet set winter sun. Then the ozone layer happened. We are all victims to the culture of sun, East and West.

不，在西方，黑皮肤和贫穷、日晒雨淋的农场工人联系在一起的想法是完全一样的。19 世纪，随着人们在水边休闲，这种想法有所放松。到了 60 年代，“健康晒黑”的概念开始兴起，人们炫耀可以坐飞机去享受冬日阳光。结果后来臭氧层出现了问题。无论东西方，我们都是阳光文化的受害者。

h9040 I agree with you on that....Just I know real rich Thais they ride road bicycle, or old motorbike, or go scuba diving or play gulf they get to really black. They don't care at all. If the millions are enough they don't play the silly games anymore. Went scuba diving with one of our customer on his private boat...he enjoys the direct sun the same as we do...Just I get red he gets black. Only the middle class worries about the social norms

我同意你的观点……只是我知道真正富有的泰国人会骑公路自行车或旧摩托车，或去潜水或玩海湾游戏，他们会变得非常黑。他们根本不在乎。如果有足够的钱，他们就不会再玩那些无聊的游戏了。我曾和一位客户在他的私人船上潜水......他和我们一样喜欢阳光直射......我晒红了，他晒黑了。只有中产阶级才关心社会规范

Mayoday_Im_in_love So the Thais may just be using the same book as us but be 60 years behind. (At the risk of sounding derogatory t's probably cyclical so the west may be behind!)

所以泰国人可能和我们使用的是同一本书，但落后了 60 年。（听起来有点贬义，但这可能是周期性的，所以西方国家可能会落后！）

h9040 No I see here something different...Thais tend to be brown...so they want to be white. In the west where people are white they want to be brown...Is it called "Solarium" the artificial sun for a lot money? People just always want what is difficult. If there is not enough food, the fat one are beautiful...if everyone is between well fed and obese you must be super slim to be beautiful. If everyone works in the office it is handsome to have big muscles. Maybe it is logic maybe it is some hardwired thing to increase diversity in the gen pool to mix with people who look different. Or maybe I overthink it and it does not make sense. Btw.: I just remember I have seen Thai women jogging in the sun, real runner, not pretender...very black of course. One did train for running marathon barefoot. So there are people who are outside of the mainstream...but very few

不，我在这里看到了一些不同的东西......泰国人的原生肤色往往是棕色的......所以他们想变白。在西方，人们是白色的，但他们却想变成棕色......是不是还花了大价钱建造了所谓的 “日光浴室”？人们总是想得到难以得到的东西。如果没有足够的食物，胖就是美......如果每个人都吃得很多很胖，那超级苗条才是美。如果每个人都在办公室工作，那么肌肉发达的人就是帅。也许这是一种逻辑，也许这是一种与长相不同的人混在一起以增加基因库多样性的固有思维。也可能是我想太多了，这里面根本没有任何意义。不过.....我记得我见过泰国妇女在阳光下慢跑，她们是真正的跑步者，而不是装模作样的人......当然，她们都很黑。其中一位还曾接受过赤脚跑马拉松的训练。所以说，也有不属于主流的人......但很少

WSGman All east Asian countries do in my experience. Besides the socialisation reinforcing it in the marketing you are talking about, I think it comes from this perceived idea of darker skinned peoples being low class workers. In Indonesia it's hard to find sunscreen outside of big cities or tourist areas, but every circle k will have a tonne of different types of "whitening" cream.

根据我的经验，所有东亚国家都是这样。除了你所说的社会化营销强化了这一点外，我认为这还源于人们认为皮肤较黑的人是低等劳动者的观念。在印尼，除了大城市或旅游区之外，很难找到防晒霜，但每个购物中心都会有一大堆不同类型的“美白”霜。

lmc80 Isn't it funny how naturally darker skinned folk seek lighter skin and meanwhile light skinned westerners spend all day on the beach trying to get tanned. I guess we're all programmed to want what we don't have lMao.

天生皮肤黑的人追求皮肤白，而皮肤白的西方人却整天在沙滩上晒黑，这不是很有趣吗？我想，我们都有想得到自己没有的东西的习惯吧。

bananabastard East Asia are infatuated with white skin similarly to how northern Europeans became infatuated with tanning, and arguably for similar reasons. Social-status morphing into beauty. Point of note, I've heard many tourists avoid and fear the "whitening" products on shelves in Thailand. Even people talking about always bringing their own skincare items, because they want to avoid the whitening chemicals. Well, there are no whitening chemicals in ANY of those products. It's all marketing. The ingredients being touted as "whitening" are typically plant acids, like glycolic acid, which are very good for the skin and marketed as "brightening" products in the west. Consistent use can reduce hyperpigmentation and make your skin more evenly toned. They're good ingredients.

东亚人迷恋白皮肤的原因与北欧人迷恋晒黑皮肤的原因类似。从社会地位转变为对美的审美。值得注意的是，我听说许多游客对泰国货架上的“美白”产品避之唯恐不及。甚至有人说，他们总是自带护肤品，因为他们想避免美白化学品。其实，这些产品中根本没有美白化学成分。这都是市场营销的结果。被吹捧为“美白”的成分通常是植物酸，如乙醇酸，它们对皮肤非常有益，在西方被称为“亮白”产品。坚持使用可以减少色素沉着，使皮肤肤色更加均匀。它们都是很好的成分。

Siam-Bill4U I have lived in Thailand over 19 years and have traveled extensively in the regions. Sadly most people sexted to promote products in advertisements or being MCs are light skinned with a rinoplasty nose. Most TV shows will cast light skin people. ( unless it’s a local TV commercial promoting fertilizer or pesticides for Isaan farmers). It’s a disappointed since there are a variety of skin colors and faces in Thailand. It’s quite comical to see underarm deodorants with whiteners. True, “lily white” farangs want tan skin.

我在泰国生活了 19 年，走遍了泰国的各个地区。遗憾的是，大多数被选中在广告中推销产品或担任主持人的人都是浅色皮肤、做过隆鼻手术的人。大多数电视节目都会选择浅肤色的人。（除非是为农民推广化肥或杀虫剂的本地电视广告）。这让人很失望，因为泰国有各种肤色和面孔的人。腋下除臭剂中添加美白剂的做法很滑稽。的确，“白里透红”的远洋人想要晒黑的皮肤。

abc_744 Look at Thai idols in kpop industry. Lisa, Minnie, Sorn, Pharita, Natty, many others. Look at Bnk48 as well. Of course Thailand has fair skin obsession just like whole eastern Asia.

看看韩流界的泰国偶像。丽莎、米妮、索恩、法丽塔、纳蒂等等。再看看Bnk48。当然，就像整个东亚一样，泰国也对白皙的皮肤着迷。

Cosmopolitan93 I think it's a general thing in Asia. I'm from Europe and pretty white, I avoid the sun, not fully but when it's really hot outside. Not because I fear to get tanned, rarther because my skin sensitive and few minutes at the hot sun, my skin will show slight red dots in the sun. 2 weeks ago I was in China for biz trip. and one of our partner told our Chinese colleague that I have the perfect skin haha :D

我认为这是亚洲的普遍现象。我来自欧洲，是个白人，我避免晒太阳，不是完全避免，而是在外面非常热的时候。不是因为我怕晒黑，而是因为我的皮肤很敏感，在烈日下晒几分钟，皮肤就会出现轻微的红点。两周前，我到中国出差，我们的一个合作伙伴跟我们的中国同事说我的皮肤很完美，哈哈:D

stever71 4 billion+ people in Asia prefer light skin in their culture, including India and China. Just have to accept it, nothing to do with Europeans either.

在亚洲，包括印度和中国在内的 40 多亿人在他们的文化中更喜欢浅色皮肤。我们只能接受，但这也与欧洲人无关。

Adventurous-Yam-8260 Excuse my ignorance but I’m curious, do they see the more commonly western white skinned people, say North European/UK etc as attractive or is it just Asian decent with whiter skin that is the beauty standard? It’s fascinating how it varies around the world.

请原谅我的无知，但我很好奇，在他们眼中，常见的西方白皮肤的人，比如北欧/英国人等，是有吸引力的，还是只有皮肤更白的亚洲人才是美丽的标准？世界各地的标准不尽相同，这很有意思。

16_Sho_Bola OP Trust me, if you're western with blonde hair, that's their gold standard.

相信我，如果你是金发碧眼的西方人，那就是他们的黄金标准。

lyca2lyca Yes it does, I just got back from Thailand and it was very clear to me after only 10 days there. I mainly saw darker skinned Thai’s during my day to day, yet in ads I only saw the fairest of fair Thai people. It’s the same everywhere in the world, Africa, Asia, Europe, North and South America, the Middle East. Lighter is usually seen as better. Colorism is the preference for lighter skin over darker skin and as a person of African background I can tell you it is rife in our communities also.

是的，我刚从泰国回来，在那里只待了 10 天，我就清楚地感受到了这一点。在日常生活中，我主要看到肤色较深的泰国人，但在广告中，我只看到最白皙的泰国人。世界各地都是如此，非洲、亚洲、欧洲、南北美洲、中东都是如此。人们通常认为肤色越浅越好。肤色歧视是指偏爱浅色皮肤而不是深色皮肤，作为一个非洲背景的人，我可以告诉你，这种现象在我们的社区也很普遍。

PlsDontBanMe_Mods White people thinking Asians wanting fairer skin is all about them, want to be like them, NO Asian have it built into them that sunray and UV are dangerous, most Asian are naturally fair and can go pretty tan when exposed to the sun. (Like me) There are some level of social classism from history meaning that if you are dark you work outdoor and are poor. The reason why most Asian look very young with beautiful skin is because we all care about our skin as you might have notice with the huge skin care market here.

白人认为亚洲人想要更白皙的皮肤都是因为他们，想要像他们一样，错。大多数亚洲人天生皮肤白皙，暴露在阳光下会被晒得黝黑。（就像我）。历史上存在一定程度的社会阶级歧视，也就是说，如果你皮肤黑，就表示你在户外工作，你很穷。大多数亚洲人看起来都很年轻，皮肤也很好，这是因为我们都很在意自己的皮肤，你可能也注意到了这里庞大的护肤品市场。