网友讨论:我说的这个印度种姓故事,你信吗?
2024-06-10 童言无忌 6599
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Anupam Kumar
What disgusts you?

什么事情让你恶心?

This guy is barely 18, works 10 hours a day and gets paid around 300 Indian Rupees.
I went on a site visit; he didn’t look very happy so I decided to have a little chat with him. Offered him some water and sweets, and asked him to sit and tell me about himself. I’m going to tell you everything he told me in his own words.

这家伙才18岁,每天工作10个小时,工资约为300印度卢比(26块人民币)。
我进行一场实地考察。他看起来不太高兴,所以我决定和他聊一聊。
我给了他一些水和糖果,让他坐下来告诉我他自己的情况。我将用他自己的话告诉你他告诉我的一切。


“I belong to the lowest of all castes in Hindu religion, my ancestors and I have been treated like obxts. We were beaten by upper castes just so they could enjoy seeing us cry and prove their dominance. My mother was asked to take her clothes off in front of my father. My father begged them and was asked to lick their spit off the ground if he wanted my mother to survive.
My father later decided to go against the upper castes and went to look for official help from the police. The police informed the upper castes that my father was seeking to file a report against them.

“我属于印度教所有种姓中最低的一个,我和我的祖先一直被当作物体对待。我们被上层种姓殴打,只是因为他们喜欢看到我们哭泣,并证明他们的统治地位。我母亲被要求在我父亲面前脱下衣服。我父亲恳求他们,他们说如果想让我母亲活下来,就舔掉地上的唾沫。”
我父亲后来决定反抗上层种姓,并向警方寻求官方帮助。警方通知上层种姓,我父亲正试图对他们提起诉讼。

No report was filed and my father was shot dead the same night. No investigation was done; my father’s murder was declared an accident and we did not get his body to do the rituals.
My mother used to work as a cleaner in the railway station and I have been working as a labour since I was 9. When we accepted our fate and decided not to do anything against them, since it was just my mother and I surviving in the family, and were dependent on one and other.
About a year after my father’s death, the three sons of the same upper caste family went to the railway station where my mother worked and beat her to death with hockey sticks and iron rods. They were aged between 17 and 19. I was left all alone. I moved to another state and have been trying to stay alive ever since.”

没有提交任何报告,我父亲在同一天晚上被枪杀。没有进行任何调查,我父亲的谋杀被宣布为意外,我们甚至不能用他的身体来完成丧葬仪式。
我母亲在火车站当清洁工,我从9岁起就一直在做劳工。当我们接受了我们的命运,决定不做任何反对他们的事情时,家里已经只剩下我和母亲两个人活着,我们相互依赖。
在我父亲去世大约一年后,同一个上层种姓家庭的三个儿子来到我母亲工作的火车站,用曲棍球棍和铁棍将她打死。他们的年龄在17至19岁之间。我一个人孤零零的活着。我搬到了另一个州,从那以后一直在努力活下去。”

I kept a lot of things undisclosed due to obvious reasons. I tried putting myself in his shoes and thought to myself about all the times when I thought things could have be any worse.
It’s really sad to see that human beings are still being treated on the basis of the caste they were born in, something they couldn’t choose and can’t change.

由于显而易见的原因,我隐瞒了很多事情。我试着代入他的处境,如果是发生在我身上,事情可能会变得更糟糕。
看到人类仍然被以他们出生的种姓为基础对待,这真的很令人难过,这是他们无法选择也无法改变的。

评论翻译
Deepti Soni
I don't know in what what deluded world of Internet some of the people commenting here are living,but whatever you said is something I have witnessed on daily basis.whatever you said is not a thing from the past,these things still exist.there are people who enjoy hurting helpless because it soothes their ego.caste and gender based atrocities still exist .

我不知道这里评论的一些人生活在一个什么样的互联网世界里,但无论你怎么说,我每天都在目睹这些事情。不管你怎么说这是过去的事情,但这些事情仍然存在。
有些人喜欢伤害无助的人们,因为这能抚慰他们的自尊心。基于种姓和性别的暴行仍然存在。

Prakash Raju
The backward castes should be uplifted and heard. They should become financially more independent and become more aware about their laws. Let me tell you this thing, the upper caste people are the ones who will have more properties and lands in their places. If the people have the financial independence like some backward caste people who are doing government jobs, they live their life more independently and the upper caste people won’t touch them as they can fight back. Its all depends on education and financial independence. If the youth is getting educated and moving from place to place and they will get the exposure about how things work.
Let me tell you, there is also some faults in this reservations offered to Backward castes, these reservations are mostly used by the uplifted backward caste people. So instead of proposing the removal of reservations, remove those reservations who are doing Government jobs of group 2 and above. This may make sure that the reservation is used by underprivileged.

底层的种姓应该被提升并被倾听。他们应该在经济上更加独立,更加了解自己的法律。
让我告诉你,上层种姓的人会在他们的地方拥有更多的财产和土地。
如果底层种姓像一些从事政府工作的人们一样拥有经济独立性,他们的生活就会更加独立,上层种姓的人不会碰他们,因为他们可以反击。
这一切都取决于教育和财政独立。
如果年轻人接受教育,从一个地方搬到另一个地方,他们就会了解事情是如何运作的。
让我告诉你,向底层种姓提供的保留制度也有一些缺陷,这些保留职位大多被提升的底层种姓使用。因此,与其提议取消保留制度,不如取消那些在第2组及以上层级政府工作的保留制度。这可以确保该保留制度被弱势群体使用。

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Effweye Yen
Or just get rid of the caste system entirely?

或者完全摆脱种姓制度?

Carmen Hogan
Like we got rid of slavery in the US??, I hope it works out better for you than it did for us.

就像我们美国摆脱奴隶制一样??我希望你们做得比我们更好。

Alshell
Stop hijacking the Indian issues with your slavery issues.

不要拿你们的奴隶制来劫持印度人的争论了。
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Bloodraven
We did and it is a success today as far as I saw. No one asks for your caste upfront or your surname (a caste indicator) except the government for reservations.

我们做到了,就我所见,到目前为止是成功的。除了政府的保留制度外,没有人会提前去询问你的种姓和或姓氏(种姓特征)。
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Adrika Gupta
To all people who are claiming this post is fake, I believe your world is confined within the four walls of your room and you have absolutely no clue what is happening in the outside world. Shame!

对于所有声称这篇帖子是假的人,我相信你的世界被限制在你房间的四壁之内,你完全不知道外面的世界发生了什么。耻辱!

Aditya D
Yes I can confirm this story , i was the brick

是的,我可以证实这个故事,我是那块砖。

Anime Lord
i can also confirm since i was the cement

我也可以确认,因为我是那些水泥。

PRATYUSH JHA
i also confirm because i was water there

我也确认了,因为我是那里的水。

Karamchand Chhenimal
Nice sarcasm brother

不错的讽刺,兄弟。

Njoroge Mwororo
Sir/madam, your name clearly suggests you come from the region in question. Why can’t you guys raise up in a civil rights movement and demand an end to this juvenile, ridiculous egoistic nonsense that brings immense pain to so many innocent people. You have sick adults perpetrating such evil.

先生/女士,你的名字清楚地表明你来自有问题的某个地区。
为什么你们不能在民权运动中站起来,要求结束这种给这么多无辜的人带来巨大痛苦的幼稚、荒谬的利己主义废话呢?
你们这些病态的成年人犯下了这样的罪恶。

TheDiamondBlasta TDB
Why don’t you do it? You can talk about it, but even where you live are you even advocating against injustices? It’s easier to stand and endure than to risk fighting. Those who only hear and do nothing deceive themselves. Check yourself before you start making judgments on someone else.
It’s evil without a shadow of a doubt but don’t say something you aren’t ready to do.

你为什么不这么做呢?
你也在谈论它,不管你住在哪里,你都是在倡导反对不公正,不是吗?忍耐和承受比冒险战斗更容易。那些听而不闻的人在自欺欺人。在你开始对别人做出评判之前,先检查一下自己。
毫无疑问,这是邪恶的,但不要说一些你还没有准备好做的事情。

Sharon Leech
Oh rubbish..something evil and abhorrent like this deserves everyone to discuss it….out of discussion maybe someone living amongst this crappy thinking caste business will form the movement to end the consequences of superiority and irrevocable inferiority..if I tried to do it I would be reviled for poking my nose into another country’s business and called a white imperialist but I can still call for the NEED of such a thing….

哦,废话……像这样邪恶和令人憎恶的事情值得每个人讨论……在讨论之外,也许生活在这种思维混乱的种姓制度中的人会发起运动,结束优越感和不可挽回的自卑感的后果……如果我试图这样做,我会因为对另一个国家的事务指指点点而受到唾骂,并被称为白人帝国主义者,但我仍然可以呼吁需要做这样的事情……

NCR ka Ladka
Habibi come to india first its not the us or any other country starting a movement is very tough especially as they don't earn so much and if they don't work how will they eat they have to think these things also

亲爱的,首先,在印度,而不是美国或任何其他国家,发起一场运动是非常艰难的,尤其是因为他们赚的钱不多,如果他们不工作,他们将如何吃饭,他们必须考虑这些事情。

Sharon Leech
I can also imagine that what you say is the truth….to start this movement would be very hard, no doubt. I would think to have discussions like this is a beginning,anyway ,to start the ball rolling and get people to maybe think about their actions, whether maybe they have to change their thinking..hope so.

我也可以想象,你所说的是事实……毫无疑问,发起这场运动将非常困难。无论如何,我认为进行这样的讨论是一个开始,让人们思考自己的行为,是否必须改变自己的想法……希望如此。
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KGOB
In the spirit of the Mahatma. He bested an Empire and moved social mountains!

高举圣雄甘地的精神。他打败了一个帝国,移动了社会的高山!

Jaime Warlock
I read a variation of this story about a decade ago. Makes it very questionable to me. But stuff like this was common a hundred years ago, so even if the story is false, the behavior of upper castes at the time was normal.

大约十年前,我读过这个故事的变体。这让我很怀疑。但像这样的事情在一百年前很常见,所以即使这个故事是假的,当时上层种姓的行为也是普遍的。

Daniel Kagia
Having no clue about what's happening outside the 4 walls of someone’s room is the best thing. The world has become worse than hell.

对房间四面墙外发生的事情一无所知,这是最好的事情。世界已经变得比地狱还糟糕。
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Manjunath BS
Few people are claiming about this post is fake.
Well here u go to any rural place go to a small hotel or go to some home…Introduce urself from lower caste and see treatment.

很少有人声称这篇帖子是假的。
好吧,去印度,你去任何一个农村地方,或去一个小酒店,或去一些家庭……介绍自己来自低种姓,看看待遇。

T Selvaraj
Go to urban middle class house and introduce yourself same when they ask about caste, u will get similar responses. Just slightly less overt.

去城市中产阶级的房子里,当他们问起种姓时,你会得到同样的回答。只是稍微不那么公开而已。

Manjunath BS
Ya experienced many times…

笑哭,经历了很多次……

Harsh Haria
Urban middle class people don't care about caste. They care about whether you're not a burglar, murderer or the like.

城市中产阶级不在乎种姓。他们关心你是不是窃贼、杀人犯或诸如此类的人。

Jaswanth
I agree that discrimination exists but have you ever seen someone beaten for no reason and getting stripped for no reason..have you ever experienced it by yourself or seen it yourself.??I don't think so

我同意歧视是存在的,但你见过有人无缘无故地被殴打,无缘无故地被剥光衣服吗?你有没有亲身经历过或者亲眼目睹过??我不这么认为。
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Chandan Acharya
I haven’t seen a murder. So murders don’t exist?

我没见过谋杀案。所以谋杀不存在?

Bharatvarsh
i travelled all over india, my relatives lives in remotest village in India and never seen or heard such incident..extrapolating such incident to include everything is a joke

我走遍了印度,我的亲戚住在印度最偏远的村庄,从来没有见过或听说过这样的事件。推断这样的事情无处不在就是个笑话。

D733r
India will rise due to some but fall due to majority who get affected by someone's caste than their work ethics

印度将因一些人而崛起,但因大多数人受种姓而非职业道德的影响而衰落。

Phanindra Kumar
Some people growing in cities find hard to believe this. But in villages its still there. I have attened a marriage some 10 yrs ago where upper caste people are allowed to eat first and were served food. Later after they finished a buffet was arranged for others. In villages still its exits jst as it existed before independence.

有些在城市长大的人很难相信这一点。但在村庄里,它仍然存在。
大约10年前,我参加了一场婚姻,在这场婚姻中,上层种姓的人可以先吃饭,然后得到食物接待。他们吃完之后,为其他人安排了自助餐。在村庄里,它仍然像独立前一样存在。

Karamchand Chhenimal
You have a large plothole in this woven up story.
1- Why did the Upper Caste people go to eat there if it was a lower caste marriage?
2- Why were the lower castes invited when it was an upper caste marriage?
And, also, when marriage functions are celebrated, it is often seen that the groom's side gets BETTER FOOD AND LODGINGS than the bride's side of family. Why do you think this happens? Because groom's family enjoys seeing them in bad condition? Lol

在这个错综复杂的故事中,你有一个很大的情节漏洞。
1、如果是低种姓婚姻,为什么上层种姓的人会去那里吃饭?
2、如果是一场上层种姓的婚姻,为什么下层种姓会被邀请?
而且,在庆祝婚礼时,人们经常看到新郎一方比新娘一方得到更好的食物和住所。你认为为什么会发生这种情况?因为新郎的家人喜欢看到他们的糟糕状态?笑死我了。

Kabeer Prasad
The customs are always suited to benefit the upper castes. They won’t let a Dalit touch them but have no problem sexually assaulting Dalit women. They won’t let a Dalit enter their house but have no problem eating free food at a feast. Mind you, they are served in a separate area where no one is allowed to enter from the lower castes.
You think any kind of morality exists in idiots who actually think they are superior due to accident of birth and atrocious resource grabbing ancestors?

习俗总是有利于上层种姓的。
他们不会让达利特人碰他们,但性侵达利特妇女没有问题。
他们不会让达利特人进入他们的房子,但在盛宴上吃免费食物没有问题。
请注意,他们在一个单独的区域被服务,任何人都不会允许从较低种姓中进入那里。
你认为什么样的道德观,让这些白痴因为出生和掠夺资源的残暴祖先而认为自己高人一等?

Veer
I know a lot of people are going to defend Hinduism and say that it wasn’t caste Yada yada.
don’t try to defend anything or say anything. All of you are probably Thakur or Singh sitting behind your screen and commenting about how the author is hating on Indian culture and Hinduism is something to be proud of.
Shut it because neither you nor I can even comprehend what these people go to. It is a typical high caste mentality where we put walls in our mind and pretend to be ignorant towards the daily racism faced by these people. A lot of which we instigate.
if you don’t agree with my points. Go watch a tv series called Leila where a ignorant high caste woman suddenly becomes a poor low caste woman and how her perception of everything changes and she realises how she treated her maids and servants even though she thought she was being kind and liberal.

我知道很多人会为印度教辩护,说这不是种姓制度巴拉巴拉。
不要试图为任何事情辩护或说任何话。你们可能都是塔库尔或辛格,坐在屏幕后面评论作者是如何憎恨印度文化的,印度教是值得骄傲的等等。
闭嘴!因为你和我都无法理解这些人的所作所为。这是一种典型的高种姓心态,我们在脑海中筑起墙,假装对这些人每天面临的种姓问题一无所知。很多事情都是我们唆使的。
如果你不同意我的观点。去看一部名为《Leila》的电视剧,剧中一个无知的高种姓女性突然变成了一个贫穷的低种姓女性,她对一切的看法发生了变化,她意识到自己是如何对待女佣和仆人的,尽管她认为自己是善良和自由的。

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T Selvaraj
The ppl who are replying “there is no caste problem” are the problem themselves. Also more likely they are Sharma, Gupta, Rao than Singh or Thakur, since that community hasn’t taken to urban middle-class life as much.

那些回答“不存在种姓问题”的人,本身就是问题所在。他们更有可能是夏尔马、古普塔、拉奥,而不是辛格或塔库尔,因为这个人群并没有那么喜欢城市中产阶级的生活。

Veer
Let’s not pinpoint any community, but yes the ignorance and subconscious racism is the biggest problem that the upper cast creates

让我们不要指向任何人群,但是,是的,无知和潜意识的种姓主义,是上层种姓造成的最大问题。

Excellence 4 All
No, let him pinpoint the community.
I belong to the Rajput caste and I can assure you, it is part of the problem. Privileged believe that being called-out is a form of oppression while not realising what is truly oppression.

不,让他精确定位人群。
我属于拉吉普特种姓(意为“王族后裔”),我可以向你保证,我们是问题的一部分。特权阶层认为被叫名字是一种压迫,而没有意识到什么是真正的压迫。

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