(印度)普通类学生还要受苦多久?我们怎样才能取消保留制度?或者我们如何才能真正彻底消除种姓制度,走向像中国一样重视功绩的国家?
2024-06-18 冲动的小李 7832
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@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Independent Legal Banking Consultant at Self-Employment2h
China prioritizes Merit
However China also prioritizes:-
Affordable Primary & Secondary Education to every one
Affordable Tertiary Education to every one
Affordable and Free Coaching for Students in STEM subjects
Thus the Poor Chinese student has a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD with the Richest Chinese student
They go to the same school
They study the same subjects
They both have free school until IX and later pay 2000 RMB a year for their secondary education
They can go to the same University regardless of if one if the son of a millionaire and another is son of a shoe shine man
They both have the medium of instruction as Chinese and both have the same English Coaching Materials
So in China - Meritocracy is much easier because there is a level playing field between Chinese students of all Categories
India is entirely different
It is a cesspit of corruption and evil in every sphere and fibre
First - THERE IS NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD between the Rich and Poor Students
The Rich Students pay ₹50–300 K for School Education and can easily cough up ₹2–3 Lakh for Coaching
The Poor Students can't pay a fifth of this and struggle in every way possible
As a result - Meritocracy could be lost in a world of Elitism
So if Reservations are removed today, it could be a return to the British Indian times
So the first step is to
Ensure EVERY STUDENT HAS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
Ensure only the really oppressed students can get the benefit of reservations
This means :-
More Primary Schools
Better Quality of Teachers
Mandatory for every Teacher and Professor to give 2 hours free coaching every week
More Government and Quasi Government colleges
Plus my original suggestions:-
No Reservations for those who have a family income above ₹5 LPA (ST), ₹10 LPA (OBC), ₹8 LPA (EWS & SC)
Only Two generations of a family will get benefit of Reservations
If this is done, then we can think of China like meritocracy after 3 generations (21 years)
In India, we are in the opposite direction
We are handing over education to capitalists who are exploiting the average students and common students
So real meritocracy is likely very far away in India

中国优先考虑人才
然而中国也优先考虑:
让每个人都能享受到负担得起的小学和中学教育
让每个人都能负担得起高等教育
为STEM学科的学生提供价格合理且免费的辅导
因此,贫穷的中国学生与最富有的中国学生处于平等的竞争环境中
他们上的是同一所学校
他们学习相同的科目
他们俩都免费上学到九年级,之后每年支付2000元人民币接受中学教育
他们可以上同一所大学,无论一个是百万富翁的儿子,另一个是擦鞋匠的儿子
两所学校的教学语言均为中文,并且都使用相同的英语辅导材料
因此在中国,精英管理制度更容易实施,因为中国各个类别的学生之间都有公平的竞争环境
印度则完全不同
它是每个领域都有腐败和邪恶的粪坑
首先,富裕学生和贫困学生之间不存在公平的竞争环境
富裕学生支付5-30万卢比用于学校教育,并很容易花掉20-30万卢比用于辅导
贫困学生连五分之一的学费都付不起,只能拼尽全力
因此,精英统治可能会在精英主义的世界中消失
因此,如果今天取消保留,可能会回到英属印度时代
所以第一步是
确保每个学生都有公平的竞争环境
确保只有真正受到压迫的学生才能享受保留的福利
这意味着
更多小学
教师素质提高
要求每位教师和教授每周提供2小时免费辅导
更多政府和准政府学院
加上我原来的建议
家庭收入超过一定水平的人员不能享受保留
一个家庭只有两代人能享受保留的福利
如果这样做,那么我们可以认为经过三代人(21年)之后,就会变成中国那样的精英统治。
在印度,我们正朝着相反的方向
我们把教育交给了剥削普通学生和普通学生的资本家
因此,印度距离真正的精英统治可能还很遥远




评论翻译
@Heimdall
Instead of opening primary schools and providing quality education, Indian leaders are busy in caste census.

印度领导人不去开办小学和提供优质教育,却忙于进行种姓普查。

@Sandeep Albert Mathias
They’re not busy in caste census. They are busy in: Fighting the other leaders who want the caste census; while Trying to implement the NRC+CAA, despite the fact that most of India could not care less about it.

他们不是忙于种姓普查。他们忙于:与想要种姓普查的其他领导人斗争;同时,试图实施NRC和CAA,尽管大多数印度人对此毫不关心。

@Saichand
There are government schools and government teachers. Who are government teachers again? The reservation batch. How will you achieve the same level of playing? Impossible, just impossible.

有公立学校和公立教师。谁是公立教师?预留名额的那批人。你如何达到同等水平?不可能,根本不可能。
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@Deng xiaoping
Sir leaders like k Kamraj, Joseph Stalin, vs Achyutandam didn't even do graduation.

像K Kamraj、约瑟夫·斯大林、VS Achyutandam这样的领导人甚至没有完成大学学业。

@Suseel Nair
Rich Chinese parents send their kids to Elite private schools and target western universities.

富有的中国父母把他们的孩子送到精英私立学校,并以西方大学为目标。

@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Naah Very very few of them actually do It's a huge process CPC members can't do this, Public Company Directors and Board Members can't do this So usually this is a very small number Around 0.2% of all Students

不,实际上非常非常少的一部分人这么做。这是一个庞大的过程。中G成员不能这样做,公共公司董事和董事会成员也不能这样做。所以通常这只是一个很小的数字,大约占所有学生的0.2%。

@Suseel Nair
Quiet a few private schools. 180,000 of them as per this report. I know a few head teachers from UK who were recruited for China at double and triple their salaries. Also schools like Dulwich college ensures a free pass to a good university in the west.

相当多的私立学校。据这份报告称有18万所。我认识一些来自英国的校长,他们以两倍和三倍的薪水被招募到中国。此外,像杜威学院这样的学校确保进入西方一所好大学的机会。

@Chandan Bengapattana
Why not throw out caste? Meritocracy is snap after that…

为什么不抛弃种姓呢?抛弃之后就是精英统治……

@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Easier said than done To throw out Caste, you need a level playing field Once everything becomes about economics, nobody will bother about Caste

说起来容易做起来难。要抛弃种姓,你需要一个公平的竞争环境。一旦一切都变成了经济问题,就没有人会在意种姓了。

@Deng xiaoping
Sir an arrogant ias officer does bad behaviour with educated subordinates who came from group 2 and ssc cgl because he is an ias. But now our ministers cr patil jual Oram and Kishan reddy all of them have diditi what will the ias call him sir now the problem our society doesn't prioritise merit it prioritises stupidity if these happens like this an uneducated politician will spoil the brains of parents by these saying iitss and ias have carrier others don't have those idiots who say, meritocracy is important are the first one to support draupadi murmu over yashwant sinha and modi over manmohan singh

一位傲慢的IAS官员对来自第二组和SSC CGL的受过教育的下属态度恶劣,因为他是IAS。但现在我们的部长CR Patil、Jual Oram和Kishan Reddy都这样,IAS会怎么称呼他?现在的问题是我们的社会不重视能力,而是重视愚蠢。如果这样下去,一个未受过教育的政客会通过说IITs和IAS有职业,而其他人没有来毁掉父母的脑子。那些说精英统治重要的人是第一个支持Draupadi Murmu而不是Yashwant Sinha和莫迪而不是曼莫汉·辛格的。
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@NITIN JAIN
No Reservations for those who have a family income above ₹5 LPA (ST), ₹10 LPA (OBC), ₹8 LPA (EWS & SC) Why divide people caste in category include all in ews section,,and ban identify people as obc, sc, st or other.. Make ews for all (caste, religion) 5 lakh income Land (set limit upto 5 acre) House And other if required I support ews only in jobs orinted exam like banking, upsc and other govt jobs There is no meaning of ews or other reservation in entrance exam like jee, neet and other…ban all kinds of reservation in entrance exams …. after clearing u can provide them scholarship, fees waiver etc etc

对于家庭收入超过相应水平的人,不享有保留名额。为什么要按种姓划分人群,应该把所有人都包括在EWS部分,禁止将人识别为OBC、SC、ST或其他。为所有人(种姓、宗教)设立EWS。标准是收入5万,土地限制到5英亩,房子和其他必要的。我只支持在就业导向的考试中(如银行、事业单位和其他政府工作)设置EWS。JEE、NEET和其他入学考试中没有EWS或其他预留名额的意义……禁止所有种类的入学考试预留名额……在通过考试后,你可以为他们提供奖学金、学费减免等等。
译者注:此处有印度的许多缩写词汇
EWS(Economically Weaker Sections):经济较弱群体。
OBC(Other Backward Classes):其他落后阶层
SC(Scheduled Castes):低贱种姓
ST(Scheduled Tribes):低贱部落
JEE:相当于高考
NEET:相当于职业资格考试

@Abhishek Narang
How 3 generation= 21 years

三代人=21年如何成立?

@Ankit Pitla
Income based reservation is fine but marks based reservation is not.

基于收入的预留名额是可以的,但基于成绩的预留名额是不行的。

@NITIN JAIN
Income based reservation only work in job based exam….not in college entrance exam tbh ….

基于收入的预留名额只适用于工作考试……说实话,不适用于大学入学考试。
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@Ankit Pitla
What i meant is, giving free education and concession to students of ST, SC, OBC and other lower income groups is ok but giving admission to SC, ST students in top colleges even after getting worst ranks is not justified.

我的意思是,给ST、SC、OBC和其他低收入群体的学生提供免费教育和优惠是可以的,但即使在获得最差排名后也给SC、ST学生进入顶尖大学的名额是不合理的。
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@Vinay
Also how does this affect the Caste System as a whole ? I believe Caste system is still kept alive by the political leaders so that they can use Divide and Rule trick wherever they can

这对整个种姓制度有何影响?我相信种姓制度仍然被政治领导人维持着,以便他们可以在任何地方使用分而治之的策略。

@Venkata Krishna
You are correct sir. India first of all has to ensure level playing field for all students. That itself is a big ask.

您说得对,先生。印度首先必须确保所有学生的公平竞争环境。这本身就是一个巨大的要求。

@Abhishek
Schools are the biggest center of corruption in India. Even in private schools, hardly 20 to 30 percent of fees are used on students rest have the same fate as Anarkali.

学校是印度最大的腐败中心。即使在私立学校,几乎只有20%到30%的费用用于学生,其余的命运与安娜卡莉相同。

@Praveen
Then we should remove reservations in promotion. There is no difference after getting same job, same salary.

那么我们应该取消晋升中的预留名额。在获得相同工作、相同工资后,没有区别。

@Siva
Sir, if better opportunities provided atleast in early stages of education like school, after school for 2 years. Even less privileged people also can thrive sir.

先生,如果在教育的早期阶段(如学校)提供更好的机会,放学后2年。即使是较少受特权的人也能茁壮成长,先生。

@Ameya Potdar
The municipal schools are pretty good and have great teachers, they even have free midday meals, you don't even have to pay the fees as well! what’s excuse for failure?

市政学校相当不错,有优秀的老师,他们甚至提供免费的午餐,你甚至不需要支付学费!失败的借口是什么?
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@Jaichand Bihar Wale (former Qwe Rty)
South Indians /marathis(also dravidians)/ bengalis( austro asiatic )are much more corrupt and money minded. Might be that must be their coping mechanism of ugly black looks and genetics.

南印度人/马拉地人(也是达罗毗荼人)/孟加拉人(南亚人)更腐败和金钱至上。这可能是他们应对丑陋的黑色外表和基因的机制。
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@Sivasankaran AV
We are sinking, without our knowledge only because we have made merit a casualty long ago !!!

我们正在下沉,而我们却没有意识到,因为我们很久以前就让能力成了牺牲品!!!

@Akshay Shukla
Our current government will privatize everything. So, reservation will remove in psu. Also, General category will vote for only one party come what may. So, nobody gives a shit about you. At some point people will suffer if they don't have merit. Also, those people who are studying in IIT do not get placed this year. India is not China, if you do not get a job, it may be possible that you might be good at one subject you can start coaching for that. Also you can start a small business, else you can't do anything.

我们现任政府将私有化一切。因此,事业单位中的预留名额将被取消。此外,无论如何,普通类别只会投票给一个政党。所以,没有人关心你。在某些时候,如果人们没有能力,他们会遭受痛苦。此外,那些在印度理工学院学习的人今年没有找到工作。印度不是中国,如果你找不到工作,可能你在某个科目上很擅长,你可以开始当辅导老师。此外,你可以开个小生意,否则你什么都做不了。

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