这就是为什么美国选择购买 F-15EX 而不是更多 F-35 战斗机
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@klausschreyer7062
F--15 Still Great Fighter so was F-14 D Personally I think F-35 looks like Sheeet and Single Engine . I wouldn't want to Fly it over the Big Soup. With one Engine. Last time Navy used Single Engine Fighter was back in the 50s. Get The F-14Ds out of Moth Balls start flying those again Fk that F-35 over Price Billions over Budget POS. many other Countries lost Interest and went with SU-57 that's a Bad Ass MF
F-15 仍然是一个伟大的战斗机，F-14D 也是。就我个人而言，我认为F-35看起来不怎么样，而且是单引擎的。我不想在复杂的战场环境中驾驶单引擎飞机。海军上一次使用单引擎战斗机还是在50年代。应该让F-14D从封存中重新启用，再次开始飞行，放弃那个F-35，它超预算数十亿，是个糟糕的废物。许多其他国家也失去了兴趣，转而选择了SU-57，那真是一个强悍的混蛋。
F--15 Still Great Fighter so was F-14 D Personally I think F-35 looks like Sheeet and Single Engine . I wouldn't want to Fly it over the Big Soup. With one Engine. Last time Navy used Single Engine Fighter was back in the 50s. Get The F-14Ds out of Moth Balls start flying those again Fk that F-35 over Price Billions over Budget POS. many other Countries lost Interest and went with SU-57 that's a Bad Ass MF
F-15 仍然是一个伟大的战斗机，F-14D 也是。就我个人而言，我认为F-35看起来不怎么样，而且是单引擎的。我不想在复杂的战场环境中驾驶单引擎飞机。海军上一次使用单引擎战斗机还是在50年代。应该让F-14D从封存中重新启用，再次开始飞行，放弃那个F-35，它超预算数十亿，是个糟糕的废物。许多其他国家也失去了兴趣，转而选择了SU-57，那真是一个强悍的混蛋。
@bamahammer3660
I help build the F-35 as a member of the F-35 Program Office. I also have extensive experience in F-18s and numerous other jets. First of all, there are major differences between a 4th generation F-15EX and 5th generation F-35A/B/C. The first and foremost advantage is superior software technology capability. I will not discuss the specifics on this platform, but it is great. Air superiority is not based on how fast a jet can go but the software capability to destroy or attack the enemy before they can react. I will agree that the F-35 is overpriced compared to the F-15EX. The US has the best technology in the world when it comes to the development of tactical fighter jets. By the way, the US already has unmanned six generation prototype aircraft that are flying as they go through test and uation. China, North Korea, and Russia don't want to get into war with the US because they will lose along with NATO support. Period.
作为F-35项目办公室的成员，我帮助制造了F-35。我还有在F-18和其他许多飞机上的丰富经验。首先，4代F-15EX和5代F-35A/B/C之间有重大差异。首当其冲的优势是卓越的软件技术能力。我不会在这个平台上讨论具体细节，但它非常棒。空中优势不是基于飞机能飞多快，而是基于软件能力，在敌人做出反应之前摧毁或攻击敌人。我同意，与F-15EX相比，F-35的价格过高。美国拥有世界上最先进的战术战斗机开发技术。顺便说一下，美国已经有了正在通过测试和评估飞行的无人6代原型机。中国、朝鲜和俄罗斯不想与美国开战，因为他们会输，还有北约的支持。就这么简单。
I help build the F-35 as a member of the F-35 Program Office. I also have extensive experience in F-18s and numerous other jets. First of all, there are major differences between a 4th generation F-15EX and 5th generation F-35A/B/C. The first and foremost advantage is superior software technology capability. I will not discuss the specifics on this platform, but it is great. Air superiority is not based on how fast a jet can go but the software capability to destroy or attack the enemy before they can react. I will agree that the F-35 is overpriced compared to the F-15EX. The US has the best technology in the world when it comes to the development of tactical fighter jets. By the way, the US already has unmanned six generation prototype aircraft that are flying as they go through test and uation. China, North Korea, and Russia don't want to get into war with the US because they will lose along with NATO support. Period.
作为F-35项目办公室的成员，我帮助制造了F-35。我还有在F-18和其他许多飞机上的丰富经验。首先，4代F-15EX和5代F-35A/B/C之间有重大差异。首当其冲的优势是卓越的软件技术能力。我不会在这个平台上讨论具体细节，但它非常棒。空中优势不是基于飞机能飞多快，而是基于软件能力，在敌人做出反应之前摧毁或攻击敌人。我同意，与F-15EX相比，F-35的价格过高。美国拥有世界上最先进的战术战斗机开发技术。顺便说一下，美国已经有了正在通过测试和评估飞行的无人6代原型机。中国、朝鲜和俄罗斯不想与美国开战，因为他们会输，还有北约的支持。就这么简单。
@omaral-maitah181
Because the F35 is an overhyped overpriced 5th gen to be sold to foreign nations and so far, 3 of them crashed on their own without any actual combat ... whereas the F15EX has actual history and works very well with better value for money ... correct me if am wrong ;)
Plus, the U.S. have the F22 as the premium stealth 5th gen.
因为F-35是被过度炒作的、价格过高的5代飞机，被卖给外国，到目前为止，有3架在没有实际战斗的情况下自己坠毁了……而F-15EX有真正的历史，并且性价比更高……如果我说错了请纠正我；)
另外，美国有F-22作为高级隐形5代飞机。
Because the F35 is an overhyped overpriced 5th gen to be sold to foreign nations and so far, 3 of them crashed on their own without any actual combat ... whereas the F15EX has actual history and works very well with better value for money ... correct me if am wrong ;)
Plus, the U.S. have the F22 as the premium stealth 5th gen.
因为F-35是被过度炒作的、价格过高的5代飞机，被卖给外国，到目前为止，有3架在没有实际战斗的情况下自己坠毁了……而F-15EX有真正的历史，并且性价比更高……如果我说错了请纠正我；)
另外，美国有F-22作为高级隐形5代飞机。
@rcstl8815
F-15 lost to ground fire, not as likely, their mission is a lot higher. The F-16 is a fine widow maker, I mean fighter, since there have been almost twice as many made. They are tasked with close in air support like the A-10 so they are more likely to get ground action.
Fact is there are 3 reported ground fire F-15 loses of the Strike Eagle.
My whole point was your loose use of statistics. You said equal record when the facts disprove that.
Both fighters are great aircraft and have differing roles that they both do well.
F-15被地面火力击中的可能性不大，因为它们的任务高度要高得多。F-16是一架出色的"寡妇制造者"，我的意思是战斗机，因为它们的生产数量几乎是F-15的两倍。它们负责像A-10那样的近距空中支援，因此更有可能遭遇地面行动。
事实上，有报道的F-15"攻击鹰"因地面火力而损失的案例有3起。
我的全部观点是你对统计数据的使用不够严谨。你说它们有相同的记录，但事实却证明并非如此。
这两种战斗机都是很棒的飞机，并且它们各自承担着不同的角色，都执行得非常好。
F-15 lost to ground fire, not as likely, their mission is a lot higher. The F-16 is a fine widow maker, I mean fighter, since there have been almost twice as many made. They are tasked with close in air support like the A-10 so they are more likely to get ground action.
Fact is there are 3 reported ground fire F-15 loses of the Strike Eagle.
My whole point was your loose use of statistics. You said equal record when the facts disprove that.
Both fighters are great aircraft and have differing roles that they both do well.
F-15被地面火力击中的可能性不大，因为它们的任务高度要高得多。F-16是一架出色的"寡妇制造者"，我的意思是战斗机，因为它们的生产数量几乎是F-15的两倍。它们负责像A-10那样的近距空中支援，因此更有可能遭遇地面行动。
事实上，有报道的F-15"攻击鹰"因地面火力而损失的案例有3起。
我的全部观点是你对统计数据的使用不够严谨。你说它们有相同的记录，但事实却证明并非如此。
这两种战斗机都是很棒的飞机，并且它们各自承担着不同的角色，都执行得非常好。
@williamroberts6803
We need both aircraft. They will complement each other greatly. Together they will give any adversary huge headaches.
我们需要这两种飞机。它们将互相补充。它们将给任何对手带来巨大的头痛。
We need both aircraft. They will complement each other greatly. Together they will give any adversary huge headaches.
我们需要这两种飞机。它们将互相补充。它们将给任何对手带来巨大的头痛。
@dkoz8321
F-15EX would be a very good Anti Shipping platform.
F-15EX将是一个非常好的反舰平台。
F-15EX would be a very good Anti Shipping platform.
F-15EX将是一个非常好的反舰平台。
@othyvitswamba1111
In addition the F-15EX is a beautiful master piece of engineering.
此外，F-15EX 还是一件精美的工程杰作。
In addition the F-15EX is a beautiful master piece of engineering.
此外，F-15EX 还是一件精美的工程杰作。
@piccalillipit9211
and it works unlike the F-35
而且它还能用，不像 F-35
and it works unlike the F-35
而且它还能用，不像 F-35
@timmotel5804
AND, A Proven War Fighter!! Build many more of them.
而且，它是一款久经考验的战争战斗机！ 多造几架吧。
AND, A Proven War Fighter!! Build many more of them.
而且，它是一款久经考验的战争战斗机！ 多造几架吧。
@dat581
Nope, it's a 55 year old design that is now nothing more than political life support for Boeing.
不，这是个有 55 年历史的设计，现在只不过是波音公司的政治生命支持而已。
Nope, it's a 55 year old design that is now nothing more than political life support for Boeing.
不，这是个有 55 年历史的设计，现在只不过是波音公司的政治生命支持而已。
@dat581
The F-35 works and has been proven time and again in Red Flag and real combat. Just like the rest of the fanboys here your comment is incorrect and idiotic.
F-35战斗机在红旗演习和实际战斗中一次又一次地证明了自己的性能。就像这里的其他狂热支持者一样，你的评论是错误的和愚蠢的。
The F-35 works and has been proven time and again in Red Flag and real combat. Just like the rest of the fanboys here your comment is incorrect and idiotic.
F-35战斗机在红旗演习和实际战斗中一次又一次地证明了自己的性能。就像这里的其他狂热支持者一样，你的评论是错误的和愚蠢的。
@FGulfDiver
exactly. They have no idea. It takes a while to perfect an extremely complicated piece of technology like the F-35 and they have. The F-35 grew up in the digital age and that's why it is under so much scrutiny.
确实如此。他们没有意识到。像F-35这样极其复杂的技术需要一段时间来完善，而他们已经做到了。F-35是在数字时代成长起来的，这就是为什么它受到如此多的审查。
exactly. They have no idea. It takes a while to perfect an extremely complicated piece of technology like the F-35 and they have. The F-35 grew up in the digital age and that's why it is under so much scrutiny.
确实如此。他们没有意识到。像F-35这样极其复杂的技术需要一段时间来完善，而他们已经做到了。F-35是在数字时代成长起来的，这就是为什么它受到如此多的审查。
@gutstompenrocker
The F-15EX is a missile truck that can fly behind the F-35's and launch AIM-120's and Aim-260's that the F-35 can guide to its target while staying out of engagement range. Yes, the 260 is already in production.
F-15EX是一架可以跟随F-35飞行并发射AIM-120和Aim-260导弹的"导弹卡车"，F-35可以在保持在交战范围之外的同时引导这些导弹到达目标。是的，260型导弹已经在生产中了。
The F-15EX is a missile truck that can fly behind the F-35's and launch AIM-120's and Aim-260's that the F-35 can guide to its target while staying out of engagement range. Yes, the 260 is already in production.
F-15EX是一架可以跟随F-35飞行并发射AIM-120和Aim-260导弹的"导弹卡车"，F-35可以在保持在交战范围之外的同时引导这些导弹到达目标。是的，260型导弹已经在生产中了。
@LordBuckhouse
Here’s a man who knows what he is talking about. The F-15EX is a niche player and a damn good one.
这是一个知道自己在说什么的人。F-15EX是一个小众但非常出色的角色。
Here’s a man who knows what he is talking about. The F-15EX is a niche player and a damn good one.
这是一个知道自己在说什么的人。F-15EX是一个小众但非常出色的角色。
@spaceweasel
That "Missile Truck" can still out fight an F-35.
那个"导弹卡车"仍然可以击败F-35。
That "Missile Truck" can still out fight an F-35.
那个"导弹卡车"仍然可以击败F-35。
@B-52H
not in a long range engagement the F-35 has superior heads up and data sensors and with stealth it can kill before being seen.
an F-15 by contrast has such a large radar cross section it is literally bigger than the plane it's self and it wants to be seen but with modern SAM and BVR missiles that's not a great thing to have.
在远程交战中，F-35拥有更优越的抬头显示和数据传感器，并且凭借隐身能力，它可以在被看到之前就击中目标。相比之下，F-15的雷达截面积如此之大，实际上比飞机本身还要大，它想要被看到，但在现代地对空导弹和超视距导弹面前，这不是一件好事。
not in a long range engagement the F-35 has superior heads up and data sensors and with stealth it can kill before being seen.
an F-15 by contrast has such a large radar cross section it is literally bigger than the plane it's self and it wants to be seen but with modern SAM and BVR missiles that's not a great thing to have.
在远程交战中，F-35拥有更优越的抬头显示和数据传感器，并且凭借隐身能力，它可以在被看到之前就击中目标。相比之下，F-15的雷达截面积如此之大，实际上比飞机本身还要大，它想要被看到，但在现代地对空导弹和超视距导弹面前，这不是一件好事。
@gutstompenrocker
Put the AI used in the CCA program in both aircraft and begin the engagement outside BVR and the F-35 will eat that F-15 up 9 time out of 10, and that 1 time can be worked out in programing.
如果在两种飞机上都安装了用于CCA程序的AI，并在超视距外开始交战，F-35会在10次中有9次击败F-15，而那一次可以通过编程解决。
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Put the AI used in the CCA program in both aircraft and begin the engagement outside BVR and the F-35 will eat that F-15 up 9 time out of 10, and that 1 time can be worked out in programing.
如果在两种飞机上都安装了用于CCA程序的AI，并在超视距外开始交战，F-35会在10次中有9次击败F-15，而那一次可以通过编程解决。
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@misspuddles63
why would you want to put such a massive beacon that is the F-15 rcs in any sort of package where low observability was required?
The F-15 would need to be kept at a significant range to keep it getting shot.
你为什么要将F-15这样巨大的雷达信号源放在任何需要低可观测性的地方？
F-15需要保持在显著的距离，以避免被击中。
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why would you want to put such a massive beacon that is the F-15 rcs in any sort of package where low observability was required?
The F-15 would need to be kept at a significant range to keep it getting shot.
你为什么要将F-15这样巨大的雷达信号源放在任何需要低可观测性的地方？
F-15需要保持在显著的距离，以避免被击中。
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@surelyyoujokemeinfailure7531
The "missile truck" carries so much that they call it the Spam-Ram.
"导弹卡车"携带的东西如此之多，以至于他们称之为"Spam-Ram"。
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The "missile truck" carries so much that they call it the Spam-Ram.
"导弹卡车"携带的东西如此之多，以至于他们称之为"Spam-Ram"。
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@gutstompenrocker
Because they would spot and close with the F-15, not knowing they were already within lethal range of the F-35. Bait for the trap.
因为他们会在不知道F-35已经在致命范围内的情况下接近并接近F-15。诱饵陷阱。
Because they would spot and close with the F-15, not knowing they were already within lethal range of the F-35. Bait for the trap.
因为他们会在不知道F-35已经在致命范围内的情况下接近并接近F-15。诱饵陷阱。
@gutstompenrocker
Don't worry. The F-35 would already have the kill chain completed well before the enemy was capable of completing theirs, and still wouldn't even know the F-35 was there.
别担心。F-35在敌人能够完成其杀伤链之前就已经完成了自己的杀伤链，而且敌人甚至不会意识到F-35的存在。
Don't worry. The F-35 would already have the kill chain completed well before the enemy was capable of completing theirs, and still wouldn't even know the F-35 was there.
别担心。F-35在敌人能够完成其杀伤链之前就已经完成了自己的杀伤链，而且敌人甚至不会意识到F-35的存在。
@misspuddles63
ah I can imagine the mission brief, 'and you are to be the bait' .... Nope, that is just, no!
啊，我能想象任务简报，"你要成为诱饵"……不，那只是，不行！
ah I can imagine the mission brief, 'and you are to be the bait' .... Nope, that is just, no!
啊，我能想象任务简报，"你要成为诱饵"……不，那只是，不行！
@piccalillipit9211
you live in a Harry Potter novel
你活在《哈利·波特》小说里。
you live in a Harry Potter novel
你活在《哈利·波特》小说里。
@LordBuckhouse
Like hell it can. Far more often than not the F-15EX won’t even detect the F-35 until after the F-35 has fired its missiles at them.
不可能。通常F-15EX在F-35向它们发射导弹之后甚至都不会察觉到F-35。
Like hell it can. Far more often than not the F-15EX won’t even detect the F-35 until after the F-35 has fired its missiles at them.
不可能。通常F-15EX在F-35向它们发射导弹之后甚至都不会察觉到F-35。
@gutstompenrocker
It's not me that doesn't recognize the difference between detection range and engagement range. You state that like the F-35 is just going to sit there and let enemy aircraft close on the F-15 without guiding its missiles to targets that can't detect it. Now who's living in a fantasy world?
不是我没有认识到探测范围和交战范围的区别。你说得好像F-35就坐在那里，让敌机接近F-15而不引导其导弹去攻击那些无法探测到它的目标。现在谁活在幻想世界里？
It's not me that doesn't recognize the difference between detection range and engagement range. You state that like the F-35 is just going to sit there and let enemy aircraft close on the F-15 without guiding its missiles to targets that can't detect it. Now who's living in a fantasy world?
不是我没有认识到探测范围和交战范围的区别。你说得好像F-35就坐在那里，让敌机接近F-15而不引导其导弹去攻击那些无法探测到它的目标。现在谁活在幻想世界里？
@piccalillipit9211
Na dude I never said any of that. Looks like you have difficulty detecting comments. Was your comment detector made by Beoing...???
不，伙计，我从来没说过那些。看起来你在探测评论方面有困难。你的评论探测器是波音制造的吗……？？？
Na dude I never said any of that. Looks like you have difficulty detecting comments. Was your comment detector made by Beoing...???
不，伙计，我从来没说过那些。看起来你在探测评论方面有困难。你的评论探测器是波音制造的吗……？？？
@Ripper13F1V
Nope. The Eagle 2 has the same systems and open architecture as the F-35 and has a larger improved intetegrated radar, and in addition some very exact tech to detect, kill, and defend itself from gen 5 aircraft. This is not just a new build C model. It's a whole new aircraft really.
不是的。"鹰2"拥有与F-35相同的系统和开放式架构，并且拥有更大的改进型集成雷达，此外还有一些非常精确的技术来探测、击杀并防御五代战机。这不仅仅是一个新的C型建造。它真的是一架全新的飞机。
Nope. The Eagle 2 has the same systems and open architecture as the F-35 and has a larger improved intetegrated radar, and in addition some very exact tech to detect, kill, and defend itself from gen 5 aircraft. This is not just a new build C model. It's a whole new aircraft really.
不是的。"鹰2"拥有与F-35相同的系统和开放式架构，并且拥有更大的改进型集成雷达，此外还有一些非常精确的技术来探测、击杀并防御五代战机。这不仅仅是一个新的C型建造。它真的是一架全新的飞机。
@DPT1070
Make perfect sense. When the only two jets that can take you down are also on your team, no need to worry about air superiority.
完全有道理。当唯一能击落你的两架飞机也在你的队伍里时，就不必担心空中优势。
Make perfect sense. When the only two jets that can take you down are also on your team, no need to worry about air superiority.
完全有道理。当唯一能击落你的两架飞机也在你的队伍里时，就不必担心空中优势。
@wisenber
They both use the same AWACS.
它们都使用相同的AWACS（空中预警和控制系统）。
They both use the same AWACS.
它们都使用相同的AWACS（空中预警和控制系统）。
@LordBuckhouse
They don’t use the same stealth.
他们不使用相同的隐形技术。
They don’t use the same stealth.
他们不使用相同的隐形技术。
@wisenber
It doesn't matter if the AWACS is directing the show. That, and the F15 actually has the capacity to carry longer range missiles...and has better kinetic energy to avoid them.
AWACS是否在指挥并不重要。而且，F-15实际上有能力携带更远射程的导弹……并且有更好的动能来避开它们。
It doesn't matter if the AWACS is directing the show. That, and the F15 actually has the capacity to carry longer range missiles...and has better kinetic energy to avoid them.
AWACS是否在指挥并不重要。而且，F-15实际上有能力携带更远射程的导弹……并且有更好的动能来避开它们。
@alecfoster4413
Accurate analogy. But applicable to airspace only. And as important as airspace is, wars are still fought and won on the ground with artillery and riflemen.
准确的类比。但只适用于空域。尽管空域很重要，但战争仍然在地面上用火炮和步兵进行并取得胜利。
Accurate analogy. But applicable to airspace only. And as important as airspace is, wars are still fought and won on the ground with artillery and riflemen.
准确的类比。但只适用于空域。尽管空域很重要，但战争仍然在地面上用火炮和步兵进行并取得胜利。
@surfdocer103
Put an F-15 with anF-22. TheF-15 will scare them so bad they won’t even look for the F-22.
把F-15和F-22放在一起。F-15会让他们害怕到甚至不会去找F-22。
Put an F-15 with anF-22. TheF-15 will scare them so bad they won’t even look for the F-22.
把F-15和F-22放在一起。F-15会让他们害怕到甚至不会去找F-22。
@chairilanwaresa1422
The F35 won't be able to carry big size ordnance unlike the F15EX. So, both types complement each other.
F-35无法携带大型弹药，而F-15EX可以。所以，两种机型互相补充。
The F35 won't be able to carry big size ordnance unlike the F15EX. So, both types complement each other.
F-35无法携带大型弹药，而F-15EX可以。所以，两种机型互相补充。
@dat581
No they don’t in the slightest and yes the F-35 can carry a huge load. Just like most of the comments on this post, including yours, this video is a joke. The USAF never wanted the F-15EX and still don’t.
他们一点也不补充，而且F-35可以携带巨大的载荷。就像这个帖子上的大多数评论一样，包括你的，这个视频是个笑话。美国空军从未想要过F-15EX，现在也不想要。
No they don’t in the slightest and yes the F-35 can carry a huge load. Just like most of the comments on this post, including yours, this video is a joke. The USAF never wanted the F-15EX and still don’t.
他们一点也不补充，而且F-35可以携带巨大的载荷。就像这个帖子上的大多数评论一样，包括你的，这个视频是个笑话。美国空军从未想要过F-15EX，现在也不想要。
@thomasjgallagher924
A stealth aircraft is not a sniper; it's the most critical component of obtaining air dominance. F-35 can carry just about everything capability that the F15 can for ground targets, just fewer of them, but if bombs are what you want to carry, get a B2. As the video says, the F15EX is really an interceptor and not a multi-role fighter. And in the case of China, it's really the US Navy has the attack job, not the Air National Guard. My problem with the F15EX argument is that it's a decade's long commitment to a domestic interceptor that is more expensive off the line than the world's most sophisitacated platform, the F35. Sure the F15EX is available sooner than the F35, but that's because the F35 is in demand. I see the value in the quick transfer, but is that really needed for domestic air patrols?
隐形飞机不是狙击手；它是获得空中优势的最关键组成部分。F-35可以携带几乎所有F-15对地面目标的作战能力，只是数量少一些，但如果你想要的是携带炸弹，那就用B-2。正如视频所说，F-15EX实际上是一种拦截机，而不是多用途战斗机。在中国的情况下，实际上是美国海军负责攻击任务，而不是空中国民警卫队。我对F-15EX论点的问题是，这是对一种国内拦截机长达十年的承诺，它比世界上最复杂的平台F-35更贵。当然，F-15EX比F-35更早可用，但那是因为F-35需求量大。我看到快速转移的价值，但这真的需要用于国内空中巡逻吗？
A stealth aircraft is not a sniper; it's the most critical component of obtaining air dominance. F-35 can carry just about everything capability that the F15 can for ground targets, just fewer of them, but if bombs are what you want to carry, get a B2. As the video says, the F15EX is really an interceptor and not a multi-role fighter. And in the case of China, it's really the US Navy has the attack job, not the Air National Guard. My problem with the F15EX argument is that it's a decade's long commitment to a domestic interceptor that is more expensive off the line than the world's most sophisitacated platform, the F35. Sure the F15EX is available sooner than the F35, but that's because the F35 is in demand. I see the value in the quick transfer, but is that really needed for domestic air patrols?
隐形飞机不是狙击手；它是获得空中优势的最关键组成部分。F-35可以携带几乎所有F-15对地面目标的作战能力，只是数量少一些，但如果你想要的是携带炸弹，那就用B-2。正如视频所说，F-15EX实际上是一种拦截机，而不是多用途战斗机。在中国的情况下，实际上是美国海军负责攻击任务，而不是空中国民警卫队。我对F-15EX论点的问题是，这是对一种国内拦截机长达十年的承诺，它比世界上最复杂的平台F-35更贵。当然，F-15EX比F-35更早可用，但那是因为F-35需求量大。我看到快速转移的价值，但这真的需要用于国内空中巡逻吗？
@thomasjgallagher924
If either Ukraine or Russia were to obtain air superiority, this war would be over now. Haven't you seen how much more a 1500kg glide bomb can do vs a 45kg artillery shell? That's how we lost recent territory to Russia and then stopped their advance: not having air defense weapons, then having them again.
如果乌克兰或俄罗斯获得空中优势，这场战争现在就结束了。难道你没有看到1500公斤滑翔炸弹与45公斤炮弹相比能做什么吗？这就是我们失去了领土给俄罗斯，然后阻止了他们的前进：没有防空武器，然后有了它们。
If either Ukraine or Russia were to obtain air superiority, this war would be over now. Haven't you seen how much more a 1500kg glide bomb can do vs a 45kg artillery shell? That's how we lost recent territory to Russia and then stopped their advance: not having air defense weapons, then having them again.
如果乌克兰或俄罗斯获得空中优势，这场战争现在就结束了。难道你没有看到1500公斤滑翔炸弹与45公斤炮弹相比能做什么吗？这就是我们失去了领土给俄罗斯，然后阻止了他们的前进：没有防空武器，然后有了它们。
@robertstimac2428
Whoever produces new weapons faster wins the war. Just like in WW2 when German factories were systematically destroyed day and night... and they had better weapons, if they had waited a little with the development of jet planes and the atomic bomb..... there certainly would not have been this war in Ukraine....
谁更快地生产新武器，谁就赢得战争。就像在二战中，德国工厂被系统地日夜摧毁……他们有更好的武器，如果他们在喷气式飞机和原子弹的发展上再等一会儿……乌克兰当然不会有这场战争……
Whoever produces new weapons faster wins the war. Just like in WW2 when German factories were systematically destroyed day and night... and they had better weapons, if they had waited a little with the development of jet planes and the atomic bomb..... there certainly would not have been this war in Ukraine....
谁更快地生产新武器，谁就赢得战争。就像在二战中，德国工厂被系统地日夜摧毁……他们有更好的武器，如果他们在喷气式飞机和原子弹的发展上再等一会儿……乌克兰当然不会有这场战争……
@alecfoster4413
Agree! When I was talking about "air superiority" I was talking about the Top Gun dogfight fan boys (of which I am one). Some in that group are fixated on that one aspect of air-power and think that wins wars. The glide bomb kits you mentioned are ingenious fixes that turn old dumb bombs (some manufactured in the 1960's) into standoff, precise munitions that can be launched from a distance at little or no risk to the aircraft deploying them. Also, keep in mind that there are infinitely more artillery shells lobbed at Ukies on any given day than glide bombs dropped. Artillery combined with ground operations and venerable SAMS are and will give Russia the final victory.
同意！当我谈到"空中优势"时，我是指顶级战斗机的空战迷（我也是其中之一）。那个群体中的一些人专注于空中力量的一个方面，并认为这可以赢得战争。你提到的滑翔炸弹套件是巧妙的解决方案，将旧的哑弹（有些是在1960年代制造的）转变为可以从小距离发射的远程、精确弹药，对部署它们的飞机几乎没有或没有风险。同时，请记住，在任何给定的一天，向乌克兰投掷的炮弹比投下的滑翔炸弹多得多。火炮结合地面行动和可靠的地对空导弹将赋予俄罗斯最终的胜利。
Agree! When I was talking about "air superiority" I was talking about the Top Gun dogfight fan boys (of which I am one). Some in that group are fixated on that one aspect of air-power and think that wins wars. The glide bomb kits you mentioned are ingenious fixes that turn old dumb bombs (some manufactured in the 1960's) into standoff, precise munitions that can be launched from a distance at little or no risk to the aircraft deploying them. Also, keep in mind that there are infinitely more artillery shells lobbed at Ukies on any given day than glide bombs dropped. Artillery combined with ground operations and venerable SAMS are and will give Russia the final victory.
同意！当我谈到"空中优势"时，我是指顶级战斗机的空战迷（我也是其中之一）。那个群体中的一些人专注于空中力量的一个方面，并认为这可以赢得战争。你提到的滑翔炸弹套件是巧妙的解决方案，将旧的哑弹（有些是在1960年代制造的）转变为可以从小距离发射的远程、精确弹药，对部署它们的飞机几乎没有或没有风险。同时，请记住，在任何给定的一天，向乌克兰投掷的炮弹比投下的滑翔炸弹多得多。火炮结合地面行动和可靠的地对空导弹将赋予俄罗斯最终的胜利。
@alecfoster4413
Air bombardment in the form of incendiary raids and the two nuclear strikes certainly hastened Japan's surrender and saved lives on both sides as well as the lives of Allied POWs and civilians suffering in occupied territories. But from a military standpoint, Japan had already been defeated by the island hopping campaign, naval air power (hat tip to that!), and other naval warfare, especially American submarines decimating Japan's merchant fleet and starving the home islands of food and other resources.
以燃烧弹的形式进行的空中轰炸和两次核打击当然加速了日本的投降，并挽救了双方的生命，以及盟军战俘和在被占领地区遭受苦难的平民的生命。但从军事角度来看，日本已经被岛屿跳跃行动、海军航空力量（向那致敬！）和其他海战，特别是美国潜艇摧毁了日本的商船队，使本土岛屿缺乏食物和其他资源，从而被击败了。
Air bombardment in the form of incendiary raids and the two nuclear strikes certainly hastened Japan's surrender and saved lives on both sides as well as the lives of Allied POWs and civilians suffering in occupied territories. But from a military standpoint, Japan had already been defeated by the island hopping campaign, naval air power (hat tip to that!), and other naval warfare, especially American submarines decimating Japan's merchant fleet and starving the home islands of food and other resources.
以燃烧弹的形式进行的空中轰炸和两次核打击当然加速了日本的投降，并挽救了双方的生命，以及盟军战俘和在被占领地区遭受苦难的平民的生命。但从军事角度来看，日本已经被岛屿跳跃行动、海军航空力量（向那致敬！）和其他海战，特别是美国潜艇摧毁了日本的商船队，使本土岛屿缺乏食物和其他资源，从而被击败了。
@thomasjgallagher924
Where did bottomfeeder BS come from?
这种低级谎言是从哪里来的？
Where did bottomfeeder BS come from?
这种低级谎言是从哪里来的？
@thomasjgallagher924
What an odd conclusion to make, especially since Heisenberg himself said in 1945 that an atomic weapon wouldn't be possible for another 20 years. The Nazis thought the Manhattan project was a PsyOp to scare the Japanese, as they had abandoned their efforts well before 1945.
Moreover, I don't think the other great war of the last century was won by who made new weapons faster.
I think more military men will hang their hat on war being decided by will and logistics.
得出这样的结论真是奇怪，特别是海森堡本人在1945年就说过，原子弹在接下来的20年内都不可能实现。纳粹认为曼哈顿计划是一种心理战操作来吓唬日本人，因为他们在1945年之前就已经放弃了他们的努力。
此外，我不认为上个世纪的另一场大战是通过谁更快制造新武器来赢得的。
我认为更多的军事人士会认为战争是由意志和后勤决定的。
What an odd conclusion to make, especially since Heisenberg himself said in 1945 that an atomic weapon wouldn't be possible for another 20 years. The Nazis thought the Manhattan project was a PsyOp to scare the Japanese, as they had abandoned their efforts well before 1945.
Moreover, I don't think the other great war of the last century was won by who made new weapons faster.
I think more military men will hang their hat on war being decided by will and logistics.
得出这样的结论真是奇怪，特别是海森堡本人在1945年就说过，原子弹在接下来的20年内都不可能实现。纳粹认为曼哈顿计划是一种心理战操作来吓唬日本人，因为他们在1945年之前就已经放弃了他们的努力。
此外，我不认为上个世纪的另一场大战是通过谁更快制造新武器来赢得的。
我认为更多的军事人士会认为战争是由意志和后勤决定的。
@louisbabycos106
Only in "Beast Mode " and it's stealth is compromised and no ,not even in "Beast Mode " isn't comparable to a F15 EX in terms of payload .
Also speed is hard on stealth coatings and so you need aircraft that aren't stealth to fly lots and lots of nonstealthy missions.
The F15EX can get to the airspace quicker than an F35 .
只有在"野兽模式"下，而且它的隐形能力会受到损害，不，即使在"野兽模式"下，其载荷能力也无法与F-15EX相比。
此外，速度对隐形涂层有害，所以你需要的是不隐形的飞机来执行大量非隐形任务。
F-15EX可以比F-35更快地到达空域。
Only in "Beast Mode " and it's stealth is compromised and no ,not even in "Beast Mode " isn't comparable to a F15 EX in terms of payload .
Also speed is hard on stealth coatings and so you need aircraft that aren't stealth to fly lots and lots of nonstealthy missions.
The F15EX can get to the airspace quicker than an F35 .
只有在"野兽模式"下，而且它的隐形能力会受到损害，不，即使在"野兽模式"下，其载荷能力也无法与F-15EX相比。
此外，速度对隐形涂层有害，所以你需要的是不隐形的飞机来执行大量非隐形任务。
F-15EX可以比F-35更快地到达空域。
@FGulfDiver
all assets fit together like a puzzle piece to win a war. It takes all assets whether ground forces or air assets to win a war.
所有资产像拼图一样拼合在一起才能赢得战争。无论是地面部队还是空中资产，都需要所有资产来赢得战争。
all assets fit together like a puzzle piece to win a war. It takes all assets whether ground forces or air assets to win a war.
所有资产像拼图一样拼合在一起才能赢得战争。无论是地面部队还是空中资产，都需要所有资产来赢得战争。
@recoilrob324
Right! A better analogy would be a football team. Is the QB the most important player? Perhaps, but he can't do anything without every other position player doing their part so every man is important and must do their job for the team to be successful.
Stealth aircraft ARE a very handy thing to have, but mostly in the initial phases of the war and if they do their job then the 'heavy lifting' can be done by non-stealth aircraft that carry more weapons.
没错！一个更好的类比是一支足球队。四分卫是最重要的球员吗？也许，但没有其他位置的球员尽自己的职责，他就什么也做不了，所以每个人都很重要，必须尽自己的职责，团队才能成功。
隐形飞机在战争初期阶段非常有用，如果它们完成了自己的工作，那么"重活"可以由携带更多武器的非隐形飞机来完成。
Right! A better analogy would be a football team. Is the QB the most important player? Perhaps, but he can't do anything without every other position player doing their part so every man is important and must do their job for the team to be successful.
Stealth aircraft ARE a very handy thing to have, but mostly in the initial phases of the war and if they do their job then the 'heavy lifting' can be done by non-stealth aircraft that carry more weapons.
没错！一个更好的类比是一支足球队。四分卫是最重要的球员吗？也许，但没有其他位置的球员尽自己的职责，他就什么也做不了，所以每个人都很重要，必须尽自己的职责，团队才能成功。
隐形飞机在战争初期阶段非常有用，如果它们完成了自己的工作，那么"重活"可以由携带更多武器的非隐形飞机来完成。
@boostedbadboyzx12r31
they will never see the F22 it will pick them off without them even knowing it's ther
他们永远不会看到F-22，它会在他们甚至不知道它在那里的情况下将他们一一击落。
they will never see the F22 it will pick them off without them even knowing it's ther
他们永远不会看到F-22，它会在他们甚至不知道它在那里的情况下将他们一一击落。
@antonywking
Since the National Guard is getting them, I’m sure they’ll be great to help defend the large airspace over Alaska.
既然国民警卫队要得到它们，我相信它们会很好地帮助保卫阿拉斯加上空的广阔空域。
Since the National Guard is getting them, I’m sure they’ll be great to help defend the large airspace over Alaska.
既然国民警卫队要得到它们，我相信它们会很好地帮助保卫阿拉斯加上空的广阔空域。
@LOLONO666
or maybe near the mexican border
或者可能在墨西哥边境附近。
or maybe near the mexican border
或者可能在墨西哥边境附近。
@phil562
What threat does an F-15 handle at the border?
F-15在边境上处理什么威胁？
What threat does an F-15 handle at the border?
F-15在边境上处理什么威胁？
@TheDustysix
tl;dw: Not every mission needs stealth and the F-15 is a superior tactical platform in every OTHER regard. I'd rather have a bunch of F-15's and A-10's to go to war with than a few F-35's
简而言之：不是每个任务都需要隐形，而在其他所有方面，F-15都是一个更优越的战术平台。我宁愿带着一群F-15和A-10去打仗，也不愿意只带几架F-35。
tl;dw: Not every mission needs stealth and the F-15 is a superior tactical platform in every OTHER regard. I'd rather have a bunch of F-15's and A-10's to go to war with than a few F-35's
简而言之：不是每个任务都需要隐形，而在其他所有方面，F-15都是一个更优越的战术平台。我宁愿带着一群F-15和A-10去打仗，也不愿意只带几架F-35。
@TRONABORON
Your statement has been proven over & over throughout the years!
Absolutely love when they refurbish older models for today's use!
你的说法多年来已经被一次又一次地证明！
我非常喜欢他们翻新旧型号以适应今天的用途！
Your statement has been proven over & over throughout the years!
Absolutely love when they refurbish older models for today's use!
你的说法多年来已经被一次又一次地证明！
我非常喜欢他们翻新旧型号以适应今天的用途！
@kwonekstrom2138
Yup. The stealth aircraft are best (for ground) during the initial parts of a war.
Many people seem to forget that there are many ways to make 4th gen aircraft survivable. Stealth is one of the more recent ones.
There is EW, standoff, anti-radiation missiles, passive countermeasures (chaff/flare), and active countermeasures (LAIRCM)... and there are point defense lasers in testing.
是的。隐形飞机在战争初期阶段最适合（地面）。
许多人似乎忘记了有很多方法可以使第四代飞机具有生存能力。隐形是最近的一种。
有电子战、远程打击、反辐射导弹、被动对抗措施（箔条/照明弹）、主动对抗措施（LAIRCM）……还有点防御激光正在测试中。
Yup. The stealth aircraft are best (for ground) during the initial parts of a war.
Many people seem to forget that there are many ways to make 4th gen aircraft survivable. Stealth is one of the more recent ones.
There is EW, standoff, anti-radiation missiles, passive countermeasures (chaff/flare), and active countermeasures (LAIRCM)... and there are point defense lasers in testing.
是的。隐形飞机在战争初期阶段最适合（地面）。
许多人似乎忘记了有很多方法可以使第四代飞机具有生存能力。隐形是最近的一种。
有电子战、远程打击、反辐射导弹、被动对抗措施（箔条/照明弹）、主动对抗措施（LAIRCM）……还有点防御激光正在测试中。
@mrbaab5932
If you aren't fighting China or Russia.
如果你不是在和中国或俄罗斯作战。
If you aren't fighting China or Russia.
如果你不是在和中国或俄罗斯作战。
@kwonekstrom2138
Really? Why is that?
The Ukraine war has shown the S300/S400 doesn't seem to be able to keep soviet era jets from attacking them.
真的吗？ 为什么？
乌克兰战争表明，S300/S400似乎无法阻止苏联时代的飞机攻击它们。
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Really? Why is that?
The Ukraine war has shown the S300/S400 doesn't seem to be able to keep soviet era jets from attacking them.
真的吗？ 为什么？
乌克兰战争表明，S300/S400似乎无法阻止苏联时代的飞机攻击它们。
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@timmotel5804
It can't hurt to overwhelm with heavily armed numbers of quality aircraft. I have doubts about Russia, but China appears to be top shelf quality.
用大量武装精良的飞机压倒敌人也无妨。我对俄罗斯持怀疑态度，但中国似乎是顶级质量。
It can't hurt to overwhelm with heavily armed numbers of quality aircraft. I have doubts about Russia, but China appears to be top shelf quality.
用大量武装精良的飞机压倒敌人也无妨。我对俄罗斯持怀疑态度，但中国似乎是顶级质量。
@aldrinsison560
After 8k hours the cost comparison is firmly in the 15s favour.
经过8000小时后，成本比较明显地对F-15有利。
After 8k hours the cost comparison is firmly in the 15s favour.
经过8000小时后，成本比较明显地对F-15有利。
@dat581
Nope, not even close. The F-15EX is more expensive to buy and to fly. All for far less capability.
不对，差得远。F-15EX购买和飞行的成本都更高。所有这些都是为了更少的能力。
Nope, not even close. The F-15EX is more expensive to buy and to fly. All for far less capability.
不对，差得远。F-15EX购买和飞行的成本都更高。所有这些都是为了更少的能力。
@joemaloney1019
Yeah twice the engines, 70% faster more than twice the load than the f35. The question. Is why the F35 is so expensive.
是的，两倍的引擎，70%的飞行速度，是F-35的两倍多的载荷。问题是，为什么F-35这么贵。
Yeah twice the engines, 70% faster more than twice the load than the f35. The question. Is why the F35 is so expensive.
是的，两倍的引擎，70%的飞行速度，是F-35的两倍多的载荷。问题是，为什么F-35这么贵。
@dat581
@joemaloney1019 I’ve been waiting for an idiotic comment like this. The F-15 is not faster in combat configuration and that is irrelevant anyway. No F-15 in service bothers with speeds higher than 1.6 Mach. It’s tactically irrelevant, not to mention you can’t do anything afterwards because you will have no fuel left. Standard fanboy moronic point. Why is the F-35 so expensive? It isn’t. It’s cheaper to buy and operate than the F-15EX. It also gives vastly more capability.
Why is the F-35 restricted to 1.6 Mach? Because that’s the speed the USAF and USN wanted. It will go faster easily, it has the thrust and is very aerodynamically clean. The USAF/USN wanted the intakes optimised for 1.6 so that’s what they got. It will out accelerate and out climb a loaded F-15 easily.
Now you should go ask your mum for a juice box before commenting again.
我一直在等待像这样的愚蠢评论。F-15在战斗配置下并不更快，这反正也是无关紧要的。任何服役的F-15都不会以超过1.6马赫的速度飞行。这在战术上是无关紧要的，更不用说你之后什么也做不了，因为你将没有燃料。标准的迷弟愚蠢观点。为什么F-35这么贵？它不贵。它比F-15EX便宜，操作成本也更低。它还提供了更多的能力。
为什么F-35被限制在1.6马赫？因为那是美国空军和海军想要的速度。它可以很容易地飞得更快，它有推力，空气动力学非常干净。美国空军/海军希望进气口针对1.6进行优化，所以他们得到了。它可以轻松地超越装载的F-15的加速度和爬升率。
现在，在你再次评论之前，你应该去问你妈妈要一盒果汁。
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@joemaloney1019 I’ve been waiting for an idiotic comment like this. The F-15 is not faster in combat configuration and that is irrelevant anyway. No F-15 in service bothers with speeds higher than 1.6 Mach. It’s tactically irrelevant, not to mention you can’t do anything afterwards because you will have no fuel left. Standard fanboy moronic point. Why is the F-35 so expensive? It isn’t. It’s cheaper to buy and operate than the F-15EX. It also gives vastly more capability.
Why is the F-35 restricted to 1.6 Mach? Because that’s the speed the USAF and USN wanted. It will go faster easily, it has the thrust and is very aerodynamically clean. The USAF/USN wanted the intakes optimised for 1.6 so that’s what they got. It will out accelerate and out climb a loaded F-15 easily.
Now you should go ask your mum for a juice box before commenting again.
我一直在等待像这样的愚蠢评论。F-15在战斗配置下并不更快，这反正也是无关紧要的。任何服役的F-15都不会以超过1.6马赫的速度飞行。这在战术上是无关紧要的，更不用说你之后什么也做不了，因为你将没有燃料。标准的迷弟愚蠢观点。为什么F-35这么贵？它不贵。它比F-15EX便宜，操作成本也更低。它还提供了更多的能力。
为什么F-35被限制在1.6马赫？因为那是美国空军和海军想要的速度。它可以很容易地飞得更快，它有推力，空气动力学非常干净。美国空军/海军希望进气口针对1.6进行优化，所以他们得到了。它可以轻松地超越装载的F-15的加速度和爬升率。
现在，在你再次评论之前，你应该去问你妈妈要一盒果汁。
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@joemaloney1019
@dat581 When you attack me personally you already lost the argument. The F35 flies at 1.4 mach because it was designed that way. The F35 was designed as the Universal (fighter) bomber good for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corp. The Marines needed a stól aircraft so Lockheed put a giant fan facing down behind the cockpit. The Áir Force and Navy did not and that was deleated but not the fuselage that housed it and because of a little thing called the area rule the plane cannot exceed 1.4 pushing that barrel sized fuselage. But thats okay it is only supposed to be a (fighter) bomber anyway and the F22 was supposed to do the air superiority thing. Except the f22 got cancelled at less than 200 built. But that is okay because the f35 was a more lucrative program for the subcontractors and politicians anyway. Remember the F22 was designed as a mach 2.4 fighter so is the Eagle in fact the F15ex is basically a non stealthy f22 same flight envelope with the new engines aesa radar and advanced software and fly by wire. I think it could perform the f22 long range interceptor role at mach 2+ as well as bomb truck. An f15 is kind of an exeptional aircraft.
当你个人攻击我时，你已经输了争论。F-35以1.4马赫飞行，因为它就是这样设计的。F-35被设计为通用（战斗机）轰炸机，适用于空军、海军和海军陆战队。海军陆战队需要一种短距起降飞机，所以洛克希德在驾驶舱后面放了一个巨大的向下的风扇。空军和海军不需要，那是被删除了，但是容纳它的机身没有，因为一个叫做面积规则的小东西，飞机不能超过1.4，推动那个桶形的机身。但这没关系，它只是应该是一种（战斗机）轰炸机，而F-22应该负责空中优势。除了F-22在建造不到200架时被取消了。但这没关系，因为F-35对分包商和政治家来说是一个更有利可图的项目。记住，F-22被设计为2.4马赫的战斗机，鹰也是如此，事实上F-15EX基本上是一个非隐形的F-22，具有相同的飞行包络，新的引擎、有源电子扫描阵列雷达和先进的软件以及电传操纵。我认为它可以执行F-22的远程拦截机角色，以2+马赫飞行，以及轰炸机。F-15是一种相当杰出的飞机。
@dat581 When you attack me personally you already lost the argument. The F35 flies at 1.4 mach because it was designed that way. The F35 was designed as the Universal (fighter) bomber good for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corp. The Marines needed a stól aircraft so Lockheed put a giant fan facing down behind the cockpit. The Áir Force and Navy did not and that was deleated but not the fuselage that housed it and because of a little thing called the area rule the plane cannot exceed 1.4 pushing that barrel sized fuselage. But thats okay it is only supposed to be a (fighter) bomber anyway and the F22 was supposed to do the air superiority thing. Except the f22 got cancelled at less than 200 built. But that is okay because the f35 was a more lucrative program for the subcontractors and politicians anyway. Remember the F22 was designed as a mach 2.4 fighter so is the Eagle in fact the F15ex is basically a non stealthy f22 same flight envelope with the new engines aesa radar and advanced software and fly by wire. I think it could perform the f22 long range interceptor role at mach 2+ as well as bomb truck. An f15 is kind of an exeptional aircraft.
当你个人攻击我时，你已经输了争论。F-35以1.4马赫飞行，因为它就是这样设计的。F-35被设计为通用（战斗机）轰炸机，适用于空军、海军和海军陆战队。海军陆战队需要一种短距起降飞机，所以洛克希德在驾驶舱后面放了一个巨大的向下的风扇。空军和海军不需要，那是被删除了，但是容纳它的机身没有，因为一个叫做面积规则的小东西，飞机不能超过1.4，推动那个桶形的机身。但这没关系，它只是应该是一种（战斗机）轰炸机，而F-22应该负责空中优势。除了F-22在建造不到200架时被取消了。但这没关系，因为F-35对分包商和政治家来说是一个更有利可图的项目。记住，F-22被设计为2.4马赫的战斗机，鹰也是如此，事实上F-15EX基本上是一个非隐形的F-22，具有相同的飞行包络，新的引擎、有源电子扫描阵列雷达和先进的软件以及电传操纵。我认为它可以执行F-22的远程拦截机角色，以2+马赫飞行，以及轰炸机。F-15是一种相当杰出的飞机。
@dat581
@joemaloney1019 Argument? There is no argument, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about, and your second comment proves it.
Funny you claim the F-35 was designed to fly at 1.4 Mach since it was designed aerodynamically to fly well above 2.0 Mach and easily has the thrust to do so. The limiting factor are the intakes which were designed for 1.6 Mach at the direction of the USAF and NAVAIR. The F-35 does not need to go faster and no fighter does in service. What you don’t understand is both the F-14 and F-15 in service rarely got above 1.2 Mach in service and NEVER above 1.6. This is the reason why the F-16 is restricted to 2.0 and the F/A-18 to 1.8. Going faster is pointless and has no operational purpose.
Then we have your idiotic Area Ruling comment. The F-35 has an enormous amount of area ruling in it’s design. Seriously are your eyes painted on? Your 1.4 Mach claims are ludicrous.
No the F-35 was not designed as a “universal bomber”. Just like the F/A-18 and F-4 before it, the jet was designed as a fighter with multirole capability a secondary factor. You cannot design a jet as a bomber and turn it into a fighter. That has been a fundamental of combat aircraft design for near 100 years.
No the F-15EX is not a non stealthy Raptor in the slightest. It is a modernised F-15E which the UASF never wanted and still doesn’t. It does not have the performance of the F-35, not even close. You pointing out the Raptor was designed as a “mach 2.4” fighter, it wasn’t, shows you haven’t a clue about air combat and just read numbers off Wikipedia. The F-15EX is not capable of surviving over the modern battlefield and is nothing more than political life support for Boeing. Why do you think it is being sent straight to the ANG? Even the ANG don’t want the thing. They wanted modernised F-16s. The F-15 was an exceptional aircraft in the 1970s and 80s. It most certainly is not now. “I think it could perform the f22 long range interceptor role at mach 2” Such a dumb comment. The F-22 never gets above 1.6 in service either. The F-35 will easily out accelerate any F-15 to 1.6 Mach and it will stay there much longer. With a normal combat load the F-15, and this includes the F-15EX is not getting above 1.6 due to the drag of it’s external weapons, not to mention the external tanks.
But do keep commenting, I could use a good laugh.
争论？没有争论，你根本不知道你在说什么，你的第二条评论证明了这一点。
有趣的是，你声称F-35被设计为以1.4马赫飞行，因为它在空气动力学上被设计为可以轻松超过2.0马赫，并且很容易有推力这样做。限制因素是进气口，它们是按照美国空军和海军航空系统的指示为1.6马赫设计的。F-35不需要更快，也没有战斗机在服役中需要。你不明白的是，无论是F-14还是F-15，在服役中很少超过1.2马赫，并且从未超过1.6马赫。这就是为什么F-16被限制在2.0，而F/A-18被限制在1.8的原因。更快是没有意义的，没有操作目的。
然后是你的愚蠢的面积规则评论。F-35在其设计中有大量的面积规则。你的眼睛真的被涂了吗？你对1.4马赫的主张是荒谬的。
不，F-35没有被设计为“通用轰炸机”。就像之前的F/A-18和F-4一样，这架飞机被设计为具有多角色能力的战斗机，这是次要因素。你不能设计一架轰炸机然后把它变成战斗机。这几乎是近100年来战斗飞机设计的基本原则。
不，F-15EX一点也不是非隐形猛禽。它是现代化的F-15E，美国空军从未想要过，现在也不想要。它没有F-35的性能，甚至差得远。你指出猛禽被设计为“2.4马赫”的战斗机，它不是，表明你对空中战斗一无所知，只是从维基百科上读数字。F-15EX无法在现代战场上生存，只不过是波音的政治生命支持。为什么你认为它直接被送到空中国民警卫队？连空中国民警卫队都不想要这个东西。他们想要现代化的F-16。F-15在1970年代和80年代是一架杰出的飞机。现在肯定不是。“我认为它可以在2马赫下执行F-22远程拦截机角色”如此愚蠢的评论。F-22在服役中也从未超过1.6。F-35将轻松超越任何F-15到1.6马赫，并且可以在那里停留更长时间。携带标准战斗载荷的F-15，包括F-15EX，由于外部武器的阻力，无法超过1.6，更不用说外部油箱了。
但请继续评论，我可以好好笑一笑。
@joemaloney1019 Argument? There is no argument, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about, and your second comment proves it.
Funny you claim the F-35 was designed to fly at 1.4 Mach since it was designed aerodynamically to fly well above 2.0 Mach and easily has the thrust to do so. The limiting factor are the intakes which were designed for 1.6 Mach at the direction of the USAF and NAVAIR. The F-35 does not need to go faster and no fighter does in service. What you don’t understand is both the F-14 and F-15 in service rarely got above 1.2 Mach in service and NEVER above 1.6. This is the reason why the F-16 is restricted to 2.0 and the F/A-18 to 1.8. Going faster is pointless and has no operational purpose.
Then we have your idiotic Area Ruling comment. The F-35 has an enormous amount of area ruling in it’s design. Seriously are your eyes painted on? Your 1.4 Mach claims are ludicrous.
No the F-35 was not designed as a “universal bomber”. Just like the F/A-18 and F-4 before it, the jet was designed as a fighter with multirole capability a secondary factor. You cannot design a jet as a bomber and turn it into a fighter. That has been a fundamental of combat aircraft design for near 100 years.
No the F-15EX is not a non stealthy Raptor in the slightest. It is a modernised F-15E which the UASF never wanted and still doesn’t. It does not have the performance of the F-35, not even close. You pointing out the Raptor was designed as a “mach 2.4” fighter, it wasn’t, shows you haven’t a clue about air combat and just read numbers off Wikipedia. The F-15EX is not capable of surviving over the modern battlefield and is nothing more than political life support for Boeing. Why do you think it is being sent straight to the ANG? Even the ANG don’t want the thing. They wanted modernised F-16s. The F-15 was an exceptional aircraft in the 1970s and 80s. It most certainly is not now. “I think it could perform the f22 long range interceptor role at mach 2” Such a dumb comment. The F-22 never gets above 1.6 in service either. The F-35 will easily out accelerate any F-15 to 1.6 Mach and it will stay there much longer. With a normal combat load the F-15, and this includes the F-15EX is not getting above 1.6 due to the drag of it’s external weapons, not to mention the external tanks.
But do keep commenting, I could use a good laugh.
争论？没有争论，你根本不知道你在说什么，你的第二条评论证明了这一点。
有趣的是，你声称F-35被设计为以1.4马赫飞行，因为它在空气动力学上被设计为可以轻松超过2.0马赫，并且很容易有推力这样做。限制因素是进气口，它们是按照美国空军和海军航空系统的指示为1.6马赫设计的。F-35不需要更快，也没有战斗机在服役中需要。你不明白的是，无论是F-14还是F-15，在服役中很少超过1.2马赫，并且从未超过1.6马赫。这就是为什么F-16被限制在2.0，而F/A-18被限制在1.8的原因。更快是没有意义的，没有操作目的。
然后是你的愚蠢的面积规则评论。F-35在其设计中有大量的面积规则。你的眼睛真的被涂了吗？你对1.4马赫的主张是荒谬的。
不，F-35没有被设计为“通用轰炸机”。就像之前的F/A-18和F-4一样，这架飞机被设计为具有多角色能力的战斗机，这是次要因素。你不能设计一架轰炸机然后把它变成战斗机。这几乎是近100年来战斗飞机设计的基本原则。
不，F-15EX一点也不是非隐形猛禽。它是现代化的F-15E，美国空军从未想要过，现在也不想要。它没有F-35的性能，甚至差得远。你指出猛禽被设计为“2.4马赫”的战斗机，它不是，表明你对空中战斗一无所知，只是从维基百科上读数字。F-15EX无法在现代战场上生存，只不过是波音的政治生命支持。为什么你认为它直接被送到空中国民警卫队？连空中国民警卫队都不想要这个东西。他们想要现代化的F-16。F-15在1970年代和80年代是一架杰出的飞机。现在肯定不是。“我认为它可以在2马赫下执行F-22远程拦截机角色”如此愚蠢的评论。F-22在服役中也从未超过1.6。F-35将轻松超越任何F-15到1.6马赫，并且可以在那里停留更长时间。携带标准战斗载荷的F-15，包括F-15EX，由于外部武器的阻力，无法超过1.6，更不用说外部油箱了。
但请继续评论，我可以好好笑一笑。
@misspuddles63
@joemaloney1019 actually the X-32, the technology demonstrator for F-35, was built as an A model. The size was dictated by internal fuel requirement. The STOVL variant was demonstrated by the removal of a fuel tank to put that "giant fan" in.
As for the 'area rule' there is plenty of that happening, it is just not as obvious as the traditional 'coke bottle' effect of the Mirage III, F-106, F-4, F-5 and so on. Just because it is not obvious, doesn't mean it is not there.
Also the F-15 is not faster in any meaningful war fighting manner, and needs almost 20,000lb more thrust to actually achieve it, which also means higher fuel burn. F-35 will achieve M1.6 with a pair of 2,000lb class weapons and a pair of AAMs (or 4 AAMs) with 18,000lb of fuel, the F-15 in any guise will not do that. The internal fuel of the F-15EX is circa 13,500lb and as soon as you add anything external you are adding parasitic drag that the F-35 does not have to over come. So my question to you is to put 2 x 2,000lb weapons and a pair of AAMs on an F-15, the external pods it will need for the mission then measure your speed and mission radius. Then add in probability of mission success and survivability.
Now if you want range, you are adding a truck load of external fuel, including CFTs and EFTs and just how much of that much talk about payload is absorbed just in fuel? Hint about 20,000lb. leaving just 8,000lb for anything kinetic (after adding nav/target/irst pods). You will start to understand the reason for the F-35, which is actually cheaper than the F-15EX
事实上，X-32，F-35的技术演示机，是作为A型建造的。尺寸是由内部燃料需求决定的。通过移除一个油箱来放置那个“巨大的风扇”，展示了STOVL（短距起飞和垂直降落）变体。
至于“面积规则”，有很多这样的情况，只是不像Mirage III、F-106、F-4、F-5等传统上的“可乐瓶”效果那么明显。只因为它不明显，并不意味着它不存在。
此外，F-15在任何有意义的战斗方式中都不更快，并且需要近20,000磅的推力才能实现，这也意味着更高的燃料消耗。F-35可以在携带2,000磅级武器对和一对空对空导弹（或4个空对空导弹）以及18,000磅燃料的情况下达到M1.6，而F-15的任何变体都无法做到这一点。F-15EX的内部燃料约为13,500磅，一旦你添加任何外部东西，你就增加了F-35不需要克服的寄生阻力。所以我的问题是，给F-15装上2个2,000磅武器和一对空对空导弹，它将需要的外部吊舱进行任务，然后测量你的速度和任务半径。然后加上任务成功率和生存能力。
现在，如果你想要航程，你正在增加大量的外部燃料，包括CFTs（机内燃料箱）和EFTs（外部燃料箱），以及多少被热议的有效载荷仅仅是被燃料吸收？提示大约20,000磅。只剩下8,000磅用于任何动力（在添加导航/目标/IRST吊舱后）。你将开始理解F-35的原因，它实际上比F-15EX便宜。
@joemaloney1019 actually the X-32, the technology demonstrator for F-35, was built as an A model. The size was dictated by internal fuel requirement. The STOVL variant was demonstrated by the removal of a fuel tank to put that "giant fan" in.
As for the 'area rule' there is plenty of that happening, it is just not as obvious as the traditional 'coke bottle' effect of the Mirage III, F-106, F-4, F-5 and so on. Just because it is not obvious, doesn't mean it is not there.
Also the F-15 is not faster in any meaningful war fighting manner, and needs almost 20,000lb more thrust to actually achieve it, which also means higher fuel burn. F-35 will achieve M1.6 with a pair of 2,000lb class weapons and a pair of AAMs (or 4 AAMs) with 18,000lb of fuel, the F-15 in any guise will not do that. The internal fuel of the F-15EX is circa 13,500lb and as soon as you add anything external you are adding parasitic drag that the F-35 does not have to over come. So my question to you is to put 2 x 2,000lb weapons and a pair of AAMs on an F-15, the external pods it will need for the mission then measure your speed and mission radius. Then add in probability of mission success and survivability.
Now if you want range, you are adding a truck load of external fuel, including CFTs and EFTs and just how much of that much talk about payload is absorbed just in fuel? Hint about 20,000lb. leaving just 8,000lb for anything kinetic (after adding nav/target/irst pods). You will start to understand the reason for the F-35, which is actually cheaper than the F-15EX
事实上，X-32，F-35的技术演示机，是作为A型建造的。尺寸是由内部燃料需求决定的。通过移除一个油箱来放置那个“巨大的风扇”，展示了STOVL（短距起飞和垂直降落）变体。
至于“面积规则”，有很多这样的情况，只是不像Mirage III、F-106、F-4、F-5等传统上的“可乐瓶”效果那么明显。只因为它不明显，并不意味着它不存在。
此外，F-15在任何有意义的战斗方式中都不更快，并且需要近20,000磅的推力才能实现，这也意味着更高的燃料消耗。F-35可以在携带2,000磅级武器对和一对空对空导弹（或4个空对空导弹）以及18,000磅燃料的情况下达到M1.6，而F-15的任何变体都无法做到这一点。F-15EX的内部燃料约为13,500磅，一旦你添加任何外部东西，你就增加了F-35不需要克服的寄生阻力。所以我的问题是，给F-15装上2个2,000磅武器和一对空对空导弹，它将需要的外部吊舱进行任务，然后测量你的速度和任务半径。然后加上任务成功率和生存能力。
现在，如果你想要航程，你正在增加大量的外部燃料，包括CFTs（机内燃料箱）和EFTs（外部燃料箱），以及多少被热议的有效载荷仅仅是被燃料吸收？提示大约20,000磅。只剩下8,000磅用于任何动力（在添加导航/目标/IRST吊舱后）。你将开始理解F-35的原因，它实际上比F-15EX便宜。
@ogdocvato
It's because F-15s aren't for carriers, are cheaper, and very capable. F-35s are meant for stealthy quick strikes. F-15 is still the best bang for dollar.
这是因为F-15不是为航母设计的，更便宜，而且非常有能力。F-35旨在进行隐蔽的快速打击。F-15仍然是性价比最高的。
It's because F-15s aren't for carriers, are cheaper, and very capable. F-35s are meant for stealthy quick strikes. F-15 is still the best bang for dollar.
这是因为F-15不是为航母设计的，更便宜，而且非常有能力。F-35旨在进行隐蔽的快速打击。F-15仍然是性价比最高的。
@swiftusmaximus5651
because they have a hard time keeping 40% of the F35 fleet combat/mission ready.status. Lots of Manhours between sorties to keep F35s flying, even worse for the F35B. With the latest Radar tech, stealth isnt as stealthy as you think
因为他们很难保持40%的F-35机队处于战斗/任务就绪状态。保持F-35飞行需要在飞行之间投入大量的人力，尤其是F-35B。有了最新的雷达技术，隐形并不像你认为的那样隐形。
because they have a hard time keeping 40% of the F35 fleet combat/mission ready.status. Lots of Manhours between sorties to keep F35s flying, even worse for the F35B. With the latest Radar tech, stealth isnt as stealthy as you think
因为他们很难保持40%的F-35机队处于战斗/任务就绪状态。保持F-35飞行需要在飞行之间投入大量的人力，尤其是F-35B。有了最新的雷达技术，隐形并不像你认为的那样隐形。
@331SVTCobra
F-35s aren't for carriers either.
F-35也不是为航母设计的。
F-35s aren't for carriers either.
F-35也不是为航母设计的。
@swiftusmaximus5651
LMao, the F35B and F35C are
哈哈，F-35B和F-35C是的。
LMao, the F35B and F35C are
哈哈，F-35B和F-35C是的。
@sirbonobo3907
Yep i dont understand why my homecountry Germany doesnt buy f15 aswell
是的，我不明白为什么我们德国不买F-15。
Yep i dont understand why my homecountry Germany doesnt buy f15 aswell
是的，我不明白为什么我们德国不买F-15。
@iowa61
It’s not a great value if it can be shot down in the modern threat environment.
F-15是第四代飞机。除了在极端远程环境中，它都是易受攻击的。
It’s not a great value if it can be shot down in the modern threat environment.
F-15是第四代飞机。除了在极端远程环境中，它都是易受攻击的。
@rcstl8815
Not correct. Most of the F-15 fixed cost are over and the maintenance is still easier. At this point we have no idea how expensive the F-35 boondoggle is going to be. I have hopes for it but a swiss army knife is a terrible way to fight wars.
不正确。F-15的大部分固定成本已经结束，维护仍然更容易。目前我们不知道F-35这个白象项目会有多贵。我对它抱有希望，但瑞士军刀是打战的糟糕方式。
Not correct. Most of the F-15 fixed cost are over and the maintenance is still easier. At this point we have no idea how expensive the F-35 boondoggle is going to be. I have hopes for it but a swiss army knife is a terrible way to fight wars.
不正确。F-15的大部分固定成本已经结束，维护仍然更容易。目前我们不知道F-35这个白象项目会有多贵。我对它抱有希望，但瑞士军刀是打战的糟糕方式。
@misspuddles63
you will learn that youtube is full of misinformation LOL.
The F-35A, the version that the ANG would get, is not for carriers. The F-35A is cheaper than the F-15EX at around $82mil vs $90mil. The difference is that the F-35 comes with all the sensors and fuel internal. The CFTs and he mission pods to make the F-15EX effective are an additional cost. Same goes when comparing cost per hour. The F-35, because it has everything onboard, gets billed for everything. The F-15EX, they replace a pod and it gets fixed off sight and the cost of that gets attributed else where, not against the flying cost.
The reason the F-15EX works well for ANG is mentioned in the video, it is less disruptive as it is like for like. To change to F-35 is a significant undertaking and I have seen timelines of up to 2 years to get them back up and running.
F-35A，即空中国民警卫队将获得的版本，不是为航母设计的。F-35A比F-15EX便宜，大约8200万美元对9000万美元。不同之处在于F-35带有所有内置传感器和燃料。使F-15EX有效的CFTs和任务吊舱是额外的成本。比较每小时成本也是如此。由于F-35所有东西都内置，它会被计入所有费用。F-15EX，他们更换一个吊舱，它在视线之外被修复，其成本被计入其他地方，而不是飞行成本。
视频中提到F-15EX对空中国民警卫队有效的原因，它是较小的干扰，因为它是类似的替代。改为F-35是一个重大的举措，我看到有长达2年的时间表才能让它们重新运行。
you will learn that youtube is full of misinformation LOL.
The F-35A, the version that the ANG would get, is not for carriers. The F-35A is cheaper than the F-15EX at around $82mil vs $90mil. The difference is that the F-35 comes with all the sensors and fuel internal. The CFTs and he mission pods to make the F-15EX effective are an additional cost. Same goes when comparing cost per hour. The F-35, because it has everything onboard, gets billed for everything. The F-15EX, they replace a pod and it gets fixed off sight and the cost of that gets attributed else where, not against the flying cost.
The reason the F-15EX works well for ANG is mentioned in the video, it is less disruptive as it is like for like. To change to F-35 is a significant undertaking and I have seen timelines of up to 2 years to get them back up and running.
F-35A，即空中国民警卫队将获得的版本，不是为航母设计的。F-35A比F-15EX便宜，大约8200万美元对9000万美元。不同之处在于F-35带有所有内置传感器和燃料。使F-15EX有效的CFTs和任务吊舱是额外的成本。比较每小时成本也是如此。由于F-35所有东西都内置，它会被计入所有费用。F-15EX，他们更换一个吊舱，它在视线之外被修复，其成本被计入其他地方，而不是飞行成本。
视频中提到F-15EX对空中国民警卫队有效的原因，它是较小的干扰，因为它是类似的替代。改为F-35是一个重大的举措，我看到有长达2年的时间表才能让它们重新运行。
@misspuddles63
it says right in the video that the F-15EX is more expensive. You can also find it widely reported saying the same. The CFTs ARE and additional cost. The USAF only sought funding for them last year. Not sure why the fact the F-35 gets called a 'swiss army knife' it is a multi role strike fighter, so is the F-15E and all variation including the EX
视频中明确说F-15EX更贵。你也可以发现有广泛的报道说同样的事情。CFTs确实是额外的成本。美国空军去年才为它们寻求资金。不知道为什么F-35被称为"瑞士军刀"，它是多角色打击战斗机，F-15E和所有变体，包括EX也都是。
it says right in the video that the F-15EX is more expensive. You can also find it widely reported saying the same. The CFTs ARE and additional cost. The USAF only sought funding for them last year. Not sure why the fact the F-35 gets called a 'swiss army knife' it is a multi role strike fighter, so is the F-15E and all variation including the EX
视频中明确说F-15EX更贵。你也可以发现有广泛的报道说同样的事情。CFTs确实是额外的成本。美国空军去年才为它们寻求资金。不知道为什么F-35被称为"瑞士军刀"，它是多角色打击战斗机，F-15E和所有变体，包括EX也都是。
@rcstl8815
Swiss Army Knife because it is trying to be an Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps aircraft. These are three distinct missions. The F-15 was and is designed to be an air superiority fighter that does some side jobs. It has ONE customer, the Air Force. Believe it or not, the branches do not see eye to eye on much. And, no, it does not cost more based on a bot's assertion in a video.
瑞士军刀是因为它试图成为空军、海军和海军陆战队的飞机。这是三个截然不同的任务。F-15被设计并是一架空中优势战斗机，做一些兼职工作。它有一个客户，空军。信不信由你，这些部门在很多问题上并不看法一致。而且，不，它并不比视频里一个机器人的说法更贵。
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Swiss Army Knife because it is trying to be an Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps aircraft. These are three distinct missions. The F-15 was and is designed to be an air superiority fighter that does some side jobs. It has ONE customer, the Air Force. Believe it or not, the branches do not see eye to eye on much. And, no, it does not cost more based on a bot's assertion in a video.
瑞士军刀是因为它试图成为空军、海军和海军陆战队的飞机。这是三个截然不同的任务。F-15被设计并是一架空中优势战斗机，做一些兼职工作。它有一个客户，空军。信不信由你，这些部门在很多问题上并不看法一致。而且，不，它并不比视频里一个机器人的说法更贵。
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@Beantastrophe
@misspuddles63 I believe the 15,000- 20,000 hour airfrx of the F-15EX is what beats out all F-35s which is why it's far more cost-effective to go with the F-15EX. It's also the fasted fighter in the world, can carry a larger payload, and carry out the same missions as any F-35 other than carrier missions. F-15EX and F-35C (carrier fighter) have have the same operational distance of 1,200nm (1380.935 miles)
我相信F-15EX的15000-20000小时的机身是它胜过所有F-35的地方，这就是为什么选择F-15EX更经济。它也是世界上最快的战斗机，可以携带更大的载荷，执行任何F-35（除了航母任务）相同的任务。F-15EX和F-35C（航母战斗机）具有相同的1200海里（1380.935英里）的操作距离。
@misspuddles63 I believe the 15,000- 20,000 hour airfrx of the F-15EX is what beats out all F-35s which is why it's far more cost-effective to go with the F-15EX. It's also the fasted fighter in the world, can carry a larger payload, and carry out the same missions as any F-35 other than carrier missions. F-15EX and F-35C (carrier fighter) have have the same operational distance of 1,200nm (1380.935 miles)
我相信F-15EX的15000-20000小时的机身是它胜过所有F-35的地方，这就是为什么选择F-15EX更经济。它也是世界上最快的战斗机，可以携带更大的载荷，执行任何F-35（除了航母任务）相同的任务。F-15EX和F-35C（航母战斗机）具有相同的1200海里（1380.935英里）的操作距离。
@wanderschlosser1857
Maybe because we got Typhoons? Similar capabilities but a lot lower radar signature.
可能是因为我们有台风战斗机？类似的能力但雷达信号更低。
Maybe because we got Typhoons? Similar capabilities but a lot lower radar signature.
可能是因为我们有台风战斗机？类似的能力但雷达信号更低。
@dennislosee
f-35c’s are for carriers, F-35a’s are for the air force and the B models for marine corps and ski jump aircraft carriers and small support helicopter carriers.
F-35C是为航母设计的，F-35A是为空军设计的，B型是为海军陆战队和滑跃起飞航空母舰以及小型支援直升机航母设计的。
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f-35c’s are for carriers, F-35a’s are for the air force and the B models for marine corps and ski jump aircraft carriers and small support helicopter carriers.
F-35C是为航母设计的，F-35A是为空军设计的，B型是为海军陆战队和滑跃起飞航空母舰以及小型支援直升机航母设计的。
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@tommypaget2294
Right on!!! Stealth is needed when you are vying for airspace dominance……after that’s done, then, sheath isn’t really needed. Planes should be designed for 40~55 years life……wars done happen everyday….but they do happen. A long shelf life fighter is Economically efficient.
太对了！当你在争夺空中优势时需要隐形……在那之后，就不需要了。飞机应该设计有40~55年的使用寿命……战争不是每天都发生……但它们确实会发生。一架长寿命的战斗机在经济上是高效的。
Right on!!! Stealth is needed when you are vying for airspace dominance……after that’s done, then, sheath isn’t really needed. Planes should be designed for 40~55 years life……wars done happen everyday….but they do happen. A long shelf life fighter is Economically efficient.
太对了！当你在争夺空中优势时需要隐形……在那之后，就不需要了。飞机应该设计有40~55年的使用寿命……战争不是每天都发生……但它们确实会发生。一架长寿命的战斗机在经济上是高效的。
@tommypaget2294
F-35C are for carriers. F-35B are for pocket carriers…..USS Bantaan
F-35C是为航母设计的。F-35B是为袖珍航母——USS巴丹号。
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F-35C are for carriers. F-35B are for pocket carriers…..USS Bantaan
F-35C是为航母设计的。F-35B是为袖珍航母——USS巴丹号。
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@alwinli3570
Maintenance cost
Moscow weapon is useless why use expensive toys
But f22 look really good
维护成本
莫斯科武器没用，为什么要用昂贵的玩具
但F-22看起来真的很棒
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Maintenance cost
Moscow weapon is useless why use expensive toys
But f22 look really good
维护成本
莫斯科武器没用，为什么要用昂贵的玩具
但F-22看起来真的很棒
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@brealistic3542
Would not be a bad Idea The F15EX is a significant upgrade over the older F15.
不会是个坏主意 F-15EX比旧的F-15有了显著升级。
Would not be a bad Idea The F15EX is a significant upgrade over the older F15.
不会是个坏主意 F-15EX比旧的F-15有了显著升级。
@vinjajvinjaj
The fact this platform is still flying is a true testament to the F-15, while the avionics suite has been upxed over the decade, the kill ratio to no losses is insane!
这个平台仍在飞行，这真正证明了F-15的实力，虽然航电套件在过去十年里已经更新了，但击杀比无损失是疯狂的！
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The fact this platform is still flying is a true testament to the F-15, while the avionics suite has been upxed over the decade, the kill ratio to no losses is insane!
这个平台仍在飞行，这真正证明了F-15的实力，虽然航电套件在过去十年里已经更新了，但击杀比无损失是疯狂的！
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@Porter92
Say the same about Russian planes so doesnt mean the longevity means its good. Not saying its shit by the way. Yes it was the top of its generation for its time
对俄罗斯飞机也可以这么说，所以长寿并不意味着它好。我不是说它很差。是的，它在它的时代是那一代的顶尖。
Say the same about Russian planes so doesnt mean the longevity means its good. Not saying its shit by the way. Yes it was the top of its generation for its time
对俄罗斯飞机也可以这么说，所以长寿并不意味着它好。我不是说它很差。是的，它在它的时代是那一代的顶尖。
@garethjones4742
no ruzzian airfrx can compare at all
Plenty of Russian airfrxs are just as capable. The f15 never fought a near pier
没有俄罗斯飞机能比较
许多俄罗斯飞机同样有能力。F-15从未参加过近战
no ruzzian airfrx can compare at all
Plenty of Russian airfrxs are just as capable. The f15 never fought a near pier
没有俄罗斯飞机能比较
许多俄罗斯飞机同样有能力。F-15从未参加过近战
@Skank_and_Gutterboy
It's funny how people don't know that the F-16 has the same record, with twice the number of flight hours.
有趣的是，人们不知道F-16有同样的记录，飞行小时数是它的两倍。
It's funny how people don't know that the F-16 has the same record, with twice the number of flight hours.
有趣的是，人们不知道F-16有同样的记录，飞行小时数是它的两倍。
@rcstl8815
Not really funny since this is not true. The F-16 record is 76-1-5. Seventy-six wins, 1 loss and 5 lost to ground fire.
这并不有趣，因为这不是真的。F-16的记录是76-1-5。76次胜利，1次失利和5次被地面火力击落。
Not really funny since this is not true. The F-16 record is 76-1-5. Seventy-six wins, 1 loss and 5 lost to ground fire.
这并不有趣，因为这不是真的。F-16的记录是76-1-5。76次胜利，1次失利和5次被地面火力击落。
@Skank_and_Gutterboy
The one loss is not USAF, it's some garbage irrelevant country (Pakistan) that shouldn't even have them. Do you think no F-15 has ever been lost to ground fire? No, there's been 3. Considering the F-16 has twice the fight hours and flies the harder missions, that's not bad.
那次失利不是美国空军的，是一些垃圾无关的国家（巴基斯坦）甚至不应该拥有它们。你认为没有F-15被地面火力击落过吗？不，有3次。考虑到F-16有两倍的飞行小时数并且执行更困难的任务，这还不错。
The one loss is not USAF, it's some garbage irrelevant country (Pakistan) that shouldn't even have them. Do you think no F-15 has ever been lost to ground fire? No, there's been 3. Considering the F-16 has twice the fight hours and flies the harder missions, that's not bad.
那次失利不是美国空军的，是一些垃圾无关的国家（巴基斯坦）甚至不应该拥有它们。你认为没有F-15被地面火力击落过吗？不，有3次。考虑到F-16有两倍的飞行小时数并且执行更困难的任务，这还不错。
@vincentrivera743
The only aircraft ever flown with one wing torn completely off. I would have bet any amount of money that such a thing was impossible.
唯一一种飞过一翼完全脱落的飞机。我本来会赌任何金额这样的事情是不可能的。
The only aircraft ever flown with one wing torn completely off. I would have bet any amount of money that such a thing was impossible.
唯一一种飞过一翼完全脱落的飞机。我本来会赌任何金额这样的事情是不可能的。
@SA-xf1eb
We need at least 50 of them here in Poland. I know our government was considering buying them a year ago or so. F-35s - yes, as they're already in production for us I believe, but the F15-EX is absolutely necessary here these days as well.
我们在波兰至少需要50架。我知道我们政府大约一年前考虑购买它们。F-35是的，因为我相信它们已经为我们生产了，但F-15EX这些天在这里也是绝对必要的。
We need at least 50 of them here in Poland. I know our government was considering buying them a year ago or so. F-35s - yes, as they're already in production for us I believe, but the F15-EX is absolutely necessary here these days as well.
我们在波兰至少需要50架。我知道我们政府大约一年前考虑购买它们。F-35是的，因为我相信它们已经为我们生产了，但F-15EX这些天在这里也是绝对必要的。
@gaius_enceladus
90% the mission 50% the cost of F35
任务完成度90%，F-35的成本50%。
90% the mission 50% the cost of F35
任务完成度90%，F-35的成本50%。
@NT4XT
this is one heck of a fighter jet!!
I agree with the air force buying more f15 simply because it’s faster carries more and more capabilities.
这真是一架了不起的战斗机！
我同意空军购买更多的F-15，因为它更快，携带更多，功能更多。
this is one heck of a fighter jet!!
I agree with the air force buying more f15 simply because it’s faster carries more and more capabilities.
这真是一架了不起的战斗机！
我同意空军购买更多的F-15，因为它更快，携带更多，功能更多。
@donweaver6818
Do I ever wish the Canadian government would purchase this fighter plus a bunch of f16s as well as the compliment of F35s that we are getting. Beautiful aircraft and I think we should upgrade our fleet of CF18s then we would be back in the hunt with a very strong military again. The guys up are well trained but not a large enough force. This way we can always be able to back up our brothers and sisters in the US.
我真希望加拿大政府能购买这架战斗机，还有一批F-16，以及我们正在获得的F-35的补充。这架飞机太美了，我认为我们应该升级我们的CF18机队，然后我们将再次拥有一个非常强大的军事力量。上面的家伙训练有素，但人数不够。这样我们总能够支持我们在美国的兄弟姐妹。
Do I ever wish the Canadian government would purchase this fighter plus a bunch of f16s as well as the compliment of F35s that we are getting. Beautiful aircraft and I think we should upgrade our fleet of CF18s then we would be back in the hunt with a very strong military again. The guys up are well trained but not a large enough force. This way we can always be able to back up our brothers and sisters in the US.
我真希望加拿大政府能购买这架战斗机，还有一批F-16，以及我们正在获得的F-35的补充。这架飞机太美了，我认为我们应该升级我们的CF18机队，然后我们将再次拥有一个非常强大的军事力量。上面的家伙训练有素，但人数不够。这样我们总能够支持我们在美国的兄弟姐妹。
@maximilliancunningham6091
The F-15 was an absolutely fantastic aircraft when I was first "introduced" to it in 1975. Amazing that it is still a formidable aircraft nearly fifty years later.
1975年我第一次"接触"F-15时，它绝对是一架非常棒的飞机。令人惊讶的是，近五十年后，它仍然是一架强大的飞机。
The F-15 was an absolutely fantastic aircraft when I was first "introduced" to it in 1975. Amazing that it is still a formidable aircraft nearly fifty years later.
1975年我第一次"接触"F-15时，它绝对是一架非常棒的飞机。令人惊讶的是，近五十年后，它仍然是一架强大的飞机。
@heaven-is-real
The Air National Guard does not need stealth.
空中国民警卫队不需要隐形。
The Air National Guard does not need stealth.
空中国民警卫队不需要隐形。
@frankmcgowan3371
You missed a huge key consideration, Air Guard is about people as well as mission. Air Guard airplanes with 2 seats requires twice as many personnel authorized in the cockpit. In addition, part time, non Title 10 folks trained to maintain F-15 airplanes would have to find time AND money in their already tight budgets to retrain their entire maintenance force in addition to costs associated with shelters and maintenance of the F35’s skin which is not an issue for the F15’s.
你忽略了一个重要的考虑因素，空中国民警卫队是关于人以及任务的。空中国民警卫队的双座飞机需要双倍的授权人员在驾驶舱。此外，兼职的非Title 10人员接受F-15飞机培训将不得不在他们已经很紧张的预算中找到时间和资金来重新培训他们的整个维护队伍，除了与F-35的皮肤相关的成本，这不是F-15的问题。
You missed a huge key consideration, Air Guard is about people as well as mission. Air Guard airplanes with 2 seats requires twice as many personnel authorized in the cockpit. In addition, part time, non Title 10 folks trained to maintain F-15 airplanes would have to find time AND money in their already tight budgets to retrain their entire maintenance force in addition to costs associated with shelters and maintenance of the F35’s skin which is not an issue for the F15’s.
你忽略了一个重要的考虑因素，空中国民警卫队是关于人以及任务的。空中国民警卫队的双座飞机需要双倍的授权人员在驾驶舱。此外，兼职的非Title 10人员接受F-15飞机培训将不得不在他们已经很紧张的预算中找到时间和资金来重新培训他们的整个维护队伍，除了与F-35的皮肤相关的成本，这不是F-15的问题。
@andreww1225
It is those air national guard pilots they have thousands of them before retirement and they can fly this "new" F-15 without much re-training that is the reason. I don't know if the f-35 woiuld be a big tactical addition or not ... others can comment on that but for an older pilot flying basically same plane is a plus ...
就是那些空中国民警卫队飞行员，他们有成千上万的人，在退休前，他们可以在不需要太多再培训的情况下飞行这架"新"F-15。我不知道F-35是否会是一个大的战术补充……其他人可以评论，但对于一个老飞行员来说，飞行基本上相同的飞机是一个加分项……
It is those air national guard pilots they have thousands of them before retirement and they can fly this "new" F-15 without much re-training that is the reason. I don't know if the f-35 woiuld be a big tactical addition or not ... others can comment on that but for an older pilot flying basically same plane is a plus ...
就是那些空中国民警卫队飞行员，他们有成千上万的人，在退休前，他们可以在不需要太多再培训的情况下飞行这架"新"F-15。我不知道F-35是否会是一个大的战术补充……其他人可以评论，但对于一个老飞行员来说，飞行基本上相同的飞机是一个加分项……
@user-pp1ni2jy3f
The GE engines on this jet are seriously impressive. Combined with the fly-by-wire flight controls. This jets performance is incredible.
这架飞机上的GE引擎真的给人留下深刻印象。结合电传飞控。这架飞机的性能令人难以置信。
The GE engines on this jet are seriously impressive. Combined with the fly-by-wire flight controls. This jets performance is incredible.
这架飞机上的GE引擎真的给人留下深刻印象。结合电传飞控。这架飞机的性能令人难以置信。
@lidiasantoro3098
The F-22 is still the beast of them all. The whole airforce family is top tier
F-22仍然是它们中最好的。整个空军家族都是顶级的。
The F-22 is still the beast of them all. The whole airforce family is top tier
F-22仍然是它们中最好的。整个空军家族都是顶级的。
@aldrinsison560
F-15 will not go alone in a combat mission it will accompanied by other combat aircraft such as F-18 growler for electronic warfare and F-35a and F-16 to defend F-15 in dogfight from other incoming targets in case F-15 aircraft mission carried important package to take down the site of the enemy.
Features and upgrades of F-15 is just it can defend itself when the situation is vulnerable.
F-15不会独自执行战斗任务，它将由其他战斗机陪同，如F-18"咆哮者"进行电子战，F-35A和F-16保卫F-15，以防在狗斗中来自其他目标的F-15飞机任务携带了重要包裹以摧毁敌人的地点。
F-15的特点和升级只是它在情况脆弱时能够自卫。
F-15 will not go alone in a combat mission it will accompanied by other combat aircraft such as F-18 growler for electronic warfare and F-35a and F-16 to defend F-15 in dogfight from other incoming targets in case F-15 aircraft mission carried important package to take down the site of the enemy.
Features and upgrades of F-15 is just it can defend itself when the situation is vulnerable.
F-15不会独自执行战斗任务，它将由其他战斗机陪同，如F-18"咆哮者"进行电子战，F-35A和F-16保卫F-15，以防在狗斗中来自其他目标的F-15飞机任务携带了重要包裹以摧毁敌人的地点。
F-15的特点和升级只是它在情况脆弱时能够自卫。
@averageguy7136
If the mission doesn’t require stealth, the f-15ex can outperform the F-35 and F-22. Its faster and carries 2-3x more ordinance. Also carries missles that wont fit on 22/35.
如果任务不需要隐形，F-15EX可以超越F-35和F-22。它更快，携带2-3倍的武器。还可以携带不适合22/35的导弹。
If the mission doesn’t require stealth, the f-15ex can outperform the F-35 and F-22. Its faster and carries 2-3x more ordinance. Also carries missles that wont fit on 22/35.
如果任务不需要隐形，F-15EX可以超越F-35和F-22。它更快，携带2-3倍的武器。还可以携带不适合22/35的导弹。
@williamroberts6803
It’s just amazing how big those engines are on the f-15.
F-15上的发动机尺寸之大真是令人惊叹。
It’s just amazing how big those engines are on the f-15.
F-15上的发动机尺寸之大真是令人惊叹。
@dkoz8321
ANG has homeland air defense and intercept mission. They need top speed , climb rate, cost of operation efficiency, unrefueled endurance, and weapons carriage. All of which F-15EX excells that over F-35 and some over F-22. It can also do potential anti-satelite, and do all air-ground that current F-15E does.
空中国民警卫队负责本土防空和截击任务。他们需要最高速度、爬升率、运行成本效率、不加油续航能力和武器携带能力。在这些方面，F-15EX都优于F-35，有些方面甚至优于F-22。它还可以执行潜在的反卫星任务，以及目前F-15E能做的所有空地任务。
ANG has homeland air defense and intercept mission. They need top speed , climb rate, cost of operation efficiency, unrefueled endurance, and weapons carriage. All of which F-15EX excells that over F-35 and some over F-22. It can also do potential anti-satelite, and do all air-ground that current F-15E does.
空中国民警卫队负责本土防空和截击任务。他们需要最高速度、爬升率、运行成本效率、不加油续航能力和武器携带能力。在这些方面，F-15EX都优于F-35，有些方面甚至优于F-22。它还可以执行潜在的反卫星任务，以及目前F-15E能做的所有空地任务。
@gaius_enceladus
I love the F-15! Beautiful aircraft with a helluva punch!
I just wish they'd kept the Blackbird in service too!
That can do surprise recon missions which satellites can't do.
我非常喜欢F-15战斗机！它不仅外观漂亮，而且打击力极强！
真希望他们也能继续让黑鸟侦察机服役！
它能执行一些卫星无法完成的突然侦察任务。
I love the F-15! Beautiful aircraft with a helluva punch!
I just wish they'd kept the Blackbird in service too!
That can do surprise recon missions which satellites can't do.
我非常喜欢F-15战斗机！它不仅外观漂亮，而且打击力极强！
真希望他们也能继续让黑鸟侦察机服役！
它能执行一些卫星无法完成的突然侦察任务。
@NT4XT
Perfect for Air Guard.
Faster, lower op cost, more versatile, and the best, proven, aircraft ever, for overall Interceptor functions. imo
Brute force, agile enough, able to get to possible incoming threats, fastest. Given mission parameters being defense over homeland space, the EX makes tons of sense. Stealth doesn't matter when deterrence is much of the specter during intercept and interdiction of potential bogies. What matters is arriving to BVR strike range, and visual ID, as fast as possible.
A baseline mission where a squadron of Eagles is most capable of causing threats to bug out, or be eliminated.
非常适合空中国民警卫队。
更快，运行成本更低，更多样化，并且是最好的、经过验证的、有史以来最适合拦截功能的飞机。在我看来，就野蛮力量、足够敏捷、能够迅速应对可能的入侵威胁、最快到达BVR（超视距）打击范围和视觉识别而言，EX非常有意义。在拦截和拦截潜在目标的过程中，隐身并不重要，因为威慑在很大程度上是任务的一部分。重要的是尽快到达BVR打击范围，并尽可能快地进行视觉识别。
在基本任务中，一支由鹰式飞机组成的中队最有能力使威胁撤退或被消灭。
Perfect for Air Guard.
Faster, lower op cost, more versatile, and the best, proven, aircraft ever, for overall Interceptor functions. imo
Brute force, agile enough, able to get to possible incoming threats, fastest. Given mission parameters being defense over homeland space, the EX makes tons of sense. Stealth doesn't matter when deterrence is much of the specter during intercept and interdiction of potential bogies. What matters is arriving to BVR strike range, and visual ID, as fast as possible.
A baseline mission where a squadron of Eagles is most capable of causing threats to bug out, or be eliminated.
非常适合空中国民警卫队。
更快，运行成本更低，更多样化，并且是最好的、经过验证的、有史以来最适合拦截功能的飞机。在我看来，就野蛮力量、足够敏捷、能够迅速应对可能的入侵威胁、最快到达BVR（超视距）打击范围和视觉识别而言，EX非常有意义。在拦截和拦截潜在目标的过程中，隐身并不重要，因为威慑在很大程度上是任务的一部分。重要的是尽快到达BVR打击范围，并尽可能快地进行视觉识别。
在基本任务中，一支由鹰式飞机组成的中队最有能力使威胁撤退或被消灭。
@michaelwilliams3104
I love this aircraft but have lost faith in Boeing:/
我爱这款飞机，但对波音公司失去了信心。
I love this aircraft but have lost faith in Boeing:/
我爱这款飞机，但对波音公司失去了信心。
@vincentrivera743
The f15ex can be paired with stealth combat drones to improve the eagle's chances to overwhelm stealth capabilities of peer adversaries as a low cost alternative to the projected 300million dollar NGAD.
The NGAD is a priority aircraft procurement program but it's prohibitive cost gives doubt that it will ever get built in the numbers the USAF needs.
Maybe it is also time to rebuild the B1 bomber into an air-air missile carrier networked with f22s and fighter drones in order to fight peer challengers like Chinese J20 and Russian SU57 aircraft.
F-15EX可以与隐形战斗无人机配对，以提高鹰式飞机压倒同等级对手隐形能力的机会，作为一种低成本替代预计耗资3亿美元的NGAD（下一代空中优势战斗机）。
NGAD是一个优先采购计划，但它的价格令人望而却步，让人怀疑它是否会以美国空军所需的数量建造。
也许现在也是时候将B1轰炸机改造成空空导弹载体，与F22和战斗机无人机联网，以对抗像中国的J20和俄罗斯的SU57这样的同等级挑战者。
The f15ex can be paired with stealth combat drones to improve the eagle's chances to overwhelm stealth capabilities of peer adversaries as a low cost alternative to the projected 300million dollar NGAD.
The NGAD is a priority aircraft procurement program but it's prohibitive cost gives doubt that it will ever get built in the numbers the USAF needs.
Maybe it is also time to rebuild the B1 bomber into an air-air missile carrier networked with f22s and fighter drones in order to fight peer challengers like Chinese J20 and Russian SU57 aircraft.
F-15EX可以与隐形战斗无人机配对，以提高鹰式飞机压倒同等级对手隐形能力的机会，作为一种低成本替代预计耗资3亿美元的NGAD（下一代空中优势战斗机）。
NGAD是一个优先采购计划，但它的价格令人望而却步，让人怀疑它是否会以美国空军所需的数量建造。
也许现在也是时候将B1轰炸机改造成空空导弹载体，与F22和战斗机无人机联网，以对抗像中国的J20和俄罗斯的SU57这样的同等级挑战者。
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