印度人民买卖每件物品都要向政府纳税,他们还为自己的工资缴纳税金。为什么中国人不用这么做?
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@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Independent Legal Banking Consultant at Self-Employment14h
Every Nation or at least more than four fifth of the world's countries tax their citizens right?
Unless you are really wealthy and have very few Citizens like Qatar, you can't help it. You have to tax people.
Tax is inevitable
The Problem in India is that India is Corrupt and Dirty
So your Taxes go into a lot of junk including a worthless City in Andhra Pradesh and a lot of greedy corrupt pockets in Bihar
You ultimately get nothing for your taxes
If you see the taxes paid in percentage, people in Europe pay a large chunk in taxes and in Scandinavia you have even 55%–60% paid in taxes
Yet those people get plent of benefits like free healthcare and free education and unemployment benefits


每个国家或者至少世界上五分之四以上的国家都对其公民征税,对吗?
除非你真的很富有,而且像卡塔尔一样,公民很少,否则你别无选择。你必须向人民征税。
税收不可避免
印度的问题是腐败和肮脏
所以你的税款流向了很多垃圾地方,包括安得拉邦一个毫无价值的城市和比哈尔邦很多贪婪的腐败分子的口袋
最终你什么也得不到
如果你按百分比来查看纳税情况,你会发现欧洲人缴纳的税款占了很大一部分,而在斯堪的纳维亚半岛,人们缴纳的税款甚至占了55%-60%。
然而,这些人得到了很多福利,比如免费医疗、免费教育和失业救济金

Let's forget all those western Nations and look at China
Chinese people pay quite a lot of tax
An Average Chinese household pays almost 43.44% of their income in taxes , direct plus indirect
The Average Indian Household only pays 31.79%
The problem is the Chinese get a lot of stuff for their taxes
Portion of their taxes returns to them after 55 through a State Pension for Life
Portion of their Taxes goes to state health insurance which ensures hospitalization for 90% diseases incurs an out of pocket of maximum 30% with no extra premium. Employer Insurance could reduce this to as low as 5%
Education is free for the first 9 years and a paltry 2000 RMB for the next 3 years
University Education is subsidized between 40% to 100% depending on the province plus 20 year interest free loans are granted for Tuition, Rooming & Food
Doctorate and Post Doctorate Studies are fully free and stipend is provided by the state in addition to any private stipends
The State funds a lot of research and development helping China with EV Batteries and other critical areas
The Average Indian Household gets nothing
Thats because our tax money is spent on :-
Interest payment for borrowed debts on worthless infrastructure
Money to encourage corruption
Appeasement
Paying basic bills
Feeding 80 Crore people in a Nation with 31 Crore officially poor people
When we get nothing, paying taxes seems pointless
So it's the system
Overhauling the gutter system is critical here
Otherwise the other solution is to go and be loyal to another country, one that rewards you better

让我们忘记那些西方国家,看看中国
中国人缴纳了相当多的税
中国家庭平均要缴纳近43.44%的收入税,包括直接税和间接税
印度家庭平均仅支付31.79%
问题是中国人通过纳税获得了很多东西
55岁以后,部分税款将通过终身国家养老金返还给他们
他们缴纳的税款中有一部分用于国家健康保险,这确保了90%的疾病住院费用自付额最高为30%,无需额外保费。雇主保险可以将这一比例降至5%
前9年教育免费,后3年仅需2000元人民币
大学教育补贴金额根据省份不同,从40%到100%不等,此外还提供20年免息学费、住宿和伙食贷款
博士和博士后研究完全免费,除私人津贴外,还由国家提供津贴
国家投入大量资金帮助中国研发电动汽车电池和其他关键领域
普通印度家庭一无所获
这是因为我们的税金被用在:
为毫无价值的基础设施借入的债务支付利息
用金钱来鼓励腐败
绥靖政策
支付基本账单
在一个官方公布贫困人口为3.1亿的国家,为8亿人提供食物
当我们一无所获时,纳税似乎毫无意义
这就是系统差别
彻底检修排水沟系统至关重要
否则,另一个解决方案就是去效忠另一个国家,一个能给你带来更好回报的国家

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@Rahman Mohammed Abdul
Mind you, we also pay taxes for the various costumes our Supreme leader changes into.

请注意,我们还为我们的最高领袖更换的各种服装纳税。
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@Karthikeyan Rajagopal
Yes, our taxes goes to daughter, sons, grand sons, great grand sons, son-in-laws of leaders as well.

是的,我们的税款也归LD人的女儿、儿子、孙子、曾孙、女婿所有。
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@P.M
Yeah and around 18% filth of India’s population breed like mosquitoes thinking its god given… the tax payers pay for their welfare as they are the congress vote bank. Also these namak haram’s are a threat to the country, so a huge amount is spent on safe gaurding against the very own snakes raised within. How unfortunate.

是的,大约 18% 的印度人口像蚊子一样繁殖,认为这是上帝赐予的……纳税人为他们的福利买单,因为他们是国会的选票库。此外,这些宗教圣地也对国家构成威胁,因此花费了大量资金来安全防范内部饲养的蛇。多么的不幸。

@Obelix
You forget to add Bihar, UP Hindus to the list.

您忘记将比哈尔邦、北方邦印度教徒添加到列表中。

@Truth
Is it true that in western countries like USA, income tax is 40%?

美国等西方国家的所得税是40%吗?

@PK
Depends on state but yeah you do have income tax reaching 40%.
But you also have social security. If you pay taxes for 10 years you get lifetime social security.

取决于州,但所得税确实达到 40%。
但你也有社会保障。如果您缴纳10年税款,您将获得终身社会保障。

@Bicycling Enthusiast
That’s only federal tax which tops out at 37%. State tax like in California tops out at 12.3%. You also have social security and medicate tax.

这只是联邦税,最高税率为 37%。像加利福尼亚州这样的州税最高可达 12.3%。您还有社会保障和药品税。

@Zane Liu
Western countries, yes. USA no.
The US is an exception among the West in its low tax rates, especially corporate taxes. It makes up for it by having one of the highest cost-of-living requirements in the world.
Forbes indicates the average US credit card debt is $6218 (as of Q1 2024), with roughly 400,000 bankruptcies (as of 2023) according to Debt.org. Student loans typically take 10 years to pay off (although an increasing number of people are opting for the 25-year plan now) while home buying can’t even be approved except for the top 25% of married households (single people need to hit the top 7% to qualify). 40% of Americans can’t even come up with $400 in the event of an emergency.
It is known that European countries are quite different. There’s a reason why many of them call the US “a poor country with rich people”. There’s a lot more state welfare in Europe, while in the US you’re completely on your own when shit hits the fan.

西方国家,是的。美国,不是。
美国在西方国家中是个例外,其税率特别低,尤其是企业税。它通过拥有世界上最高的生活成本之一来弥补这一点。
Debt.org 的数据显示,《福布斯》指出,美国平均信用卡债务为6,218 美元(截至 2024 年第一季度),大约有40万例破产(截至2023年)。学生贷款通常需要10年才能还清(尽管现在越来越多的人选择25年计划),而购房甚至无法获得批准,除了顶层25%的已婚家庭(单身人士需要达到前7%才有资格)。 40%的美国人在紧急情况下甚至拿不出400美元。
众所周知,欧洲国家有很大不同。他们中的许多人称美国为“一个富人的贫穷国家”是有原因的。欧洲有更多的国家福利,而在美国,当事情发生时,你就完全靠自己了。

@Bicycling Enthusiast
If your income is high enough, the marginal tax rate in California is well over 50%.

如果你的收入足够高,加州的边际税率远超50%。

@Keshav Kaundal
Income tax. Is paid by 2to 3 percent of population that too by salaried class

所得税。由 2% 至 3% 的人口支付,也由工薪阶层支付

@Piyal পিয়াল
Many people thought if Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia do not tax their people on anything how their government earn money? Simple By Business. Some seems amaze that Etihad, Qatar Airways are fully Government owned Companies, Oil and many service industries are owned by their government fully or Partially. Government Ownership of Assets or Investment is not bad thing . The Government Management of Companies is not efficient. Increasing State owned enterprises and making them profitable is good and ethnical way to reduce taxes. China, Gulf Countries singapore followes this.

许多人想,如果卡塔尔、阿联酋、沙特阿拉伯不对人民征税,他们的政府如何赚钱?简单的原理。一些人似乎感到惊讶的是,阿提哈德航空公司、卡塔尔航空公司都是完全政府所有的公司,石油和许多服务行业完全或部分由政府所有。政府拥有资产或投资并不是坏事。政府对企业的管理效率不高。增加国有企业并使其盈利是良好的、有道德的减税方式。中国、海湾国家、新加坡也紧随其后。

@Truth
Is there any political party in India which is not corrupt? Are there any state, be it Bihar or Tamil Nadu, in India where political corruption does not exist? Is there any politician in India who is not corrupt? What is the solution for all these corruption? How to stop corruption by politicians? Rich are becoming richer and poor remaining as poor.

印度有哪个政党是不腐败的?印度有哪个邦,无论是比哈尔邦还是泰米尔纳德邦,不存在政治腐败?印度有哪个政客不腐败?解决所有这些腐败问题的办法是什么?如何制止政客的腐败?富人变得更富,穷人仍然是穷人。

@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
It's the system
So it's all parties
The fundamental principle of needing votes from a population which is very poor means economic appeasement at the end of the day
This also means potential for a lot of corruption by exploiting the same poor people

这是系统性的
所以大家都是当事人
需要贫困人口选票的基本原则最终意味着经济绥靖政策
这也意味着通过剥削同样的穷人而可能产生大量腐败

@Jaisal Bhati
KB Sir, just as the middle class people of India wish to go to Europe or America, do the people of China also think the same?

KB先生,正如印度的中产阶级希望去欧洲或美国一样,中国人也有同样的想法吗?

@Truth
Yes, Chinese are seen in large numbers in Western countries.

是的,西方国家有大量华人。

@@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
No
Indians migrate fot jobs
Chinese who want to migrate are mainly not the smarter Chinese but those who want to do business and set up clubs, restaurants etc and who want to be rich and who already have relatives in US
Chinese migrate mainly for business, small, medium or big

想要移民的中国人主要不是聪明的中国人,是那些想要做生意、开办俱乐部、餐馆等、想要致富并且已经在美国有亲戚的人
印度人为了打工而迁移
中国人移民主要是为了商业,无论是小型、中型还是大型

@Arun Shivaswamy
KB wants to bring China into everything - why doesn’t he go to China and leave there?

KB想把中国带入一切——他为什么不去中国并离开那里呢?

@Piyal পিয়াল
It is his test country, standard country.The situation of both countries were similar and have similar population so he compares with China. Comparing with Second Largest Economy is Good country to compare

这是他的测试国家,标准国家。两个国家的情况相似,人口也相似,所以他和中国进行了比较。与第二大经济体相比是一个很好的比较
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@Kiara
China does not provide citizenship to migrants

中国不向移民提供公民身份

@Sai Kriishna
People say we are most taxed nation. They may be true. But we are also least fined nation. What govts ideally need to do is generate fiscal revenue with fines and give tax benefits to subjects.
Fines collected via offenses of public littering, public urination, bribing the official, accepting the bribe, over speeding, minor driving, civil nuisance, road rage, manipulating the evidences, manipulating the judiciary. Fines for all these can work wonders for state and its subjects as well.

人们说我们是纳税最多的国家。他们可能是真的。但我们也是罚款最少的国家。理想情况下,政府需要做的是通过罚款产生财政收入,并向臣民提供税收优惠。
通过在公共场所乱扔垃圾、随地小便、贿赂官员、受贿、超速、轻微驾驶、滋扰公众、路怒症、操纵证据、操纵司法等罪名收取的罚款。对所有这些行为的罚款也可以为国家及其臣民创造奇迹。

@Vijesh B
Which one is better , always fine is better as it discourage the mistake by penalization

哪一个更好,后者,因为它可以通过惩罚来防止错误。

@Neelakantan Ramachandran
i think should incentivize savings in new regime and remove old regime as healthcare, housing, education are not provided and double indirect taxation exists.

我认为应该在新制度下激励储蓄并废除旧制度,因为政府不提供医疗保健、住房、教育,并且存在双重间接税。

@Sriram Iyengar
Our hard earned money which we pay as taxes is totally justified to for allocation to states like Bihar as recently around 10 bridges fell within a year of construction ! Not to speak of repairing road cracks on state of the art built highways. Even after 25 years of ruling Bihar the CM wants Bihar to be declared as special category state thereby wanting excess funds . What good has he done i wonder ? I beleive equally corrupt as previous govts.

我们以税收形式缴纳辛苦赚来的钱完全没有理由分配给像比哈尔邦这样的邦,因为最近大约有10座桥梁在建设一年内倒塌!更不用说修复最先进的高速公路上的道路裂缝了。即使在统治比哈尔邦25年之后,首席部长仍希望比哈尔邦被宣布为特殊类别邦,从而需要多余的资金。我想知道他做了什么好事?我相信与前任政府一样腐败。

@Shree
India desparately need someone like Singapore's Lee Kuan.
The worst investment according to me right now is the bullet train project. What a colossal waste of money while Government schools and hospitals are in pathetic state.

印度迫切需要像新加坡李光耀这样的人。
我认为目前最糟糕的投资是子弹头列车项目。当公立学校和医院处于可悲的状态时,这是多么巨大的金钱浪费。

@Vijesh B
We should also consider the size of the country, to rule like the person you mentioned will require equally good team of people.
To put in the right perspective we do have some good Mayors and Collectors who run similar sized areas .
All this discipline comes at the price of personal freedom.
We chose to live as undeveloped,free , irresponsible citizen .A small portion among us exploit us and another portion facilitate they exploitation.

我们还应该考虑国家的大小,像你提到的国家那样统治,需要同样优秀的团队。
从正确的角度来看,我们确实有一些优秀的市长和官员,他们管理着类似大小的地区。
所有这些纪律都是以个人自由为代价的。
我们选择作为不发达、自由、不负责任的公民生活。我们中的一小部分人剥削我们,另一部分人则帮助他们剥削。

@Meherjee Yanamandra
No matter how much you clean the gutter, it remains the same…

无论你如何清理排水沟,它都保持不变......

@Anil Nair
All I need to do is stop working and prove that I am below poverty line through some documentation. I will then get everything from food (rice to pulses) to house to toilet from the government. If you are states like Kerala, then, you’ll get even more items. If you are TN, then you’ll get tv, grinder, laptops etc.. So saying that I get nothing is incorrect and doesn’t make sense.

我所需要做的就是停止工作并通过一些文件证明我处于贫困线以下。然后我将从政府那里获得从食物(大米到豆类)到房屋到厕所的一切。如果你是像喀拉拉邦这样的州,那么,你会得到更多的物品。如果你是在泰米尔德邦,那么你会得到电视、研磨机、笔记本电脑等。所以说我什么都没有得到是不正确的,也是没有意义的。

@Karthik
You are welcome to try living in slums for a month, Where there is lack of basic human needs. Then you would know what is the value of welfare schemes.

欢迎您尝试在贫民窟生活一个月,那里缺乏人类的基本需求。然后你就会知道福利计划的价值是什么。
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@Jacobs Trovbel
What are your thoughts on not taxing the income, instead taxing the spending much like the sales tax?
IMO that would be equitable, anonymous and won’t need a huge bureaucracy to process returns, exemptions etc. Plus it will not need detailed information on the taxpayers together with people living in their households.

您对不对收入征税,而是对支出征税(就像征收销售税一样)有何看法?
国际海事组织认为,这将是公平的、匿名的,并且不需要庞大的官僚机构来处理申报表、豁免等。此外,它也不需要有关纳税人及其家庭成员的详细信息。

@Priya
I too agree with you on No benefits after paying this much Tax. The way my tax money is being spent breaks my heart. And have also started feeling to move out of India. But I stuck on the point that How will I be treated there by the citizens of that Nation. Here I feel I am the child of this country and have all the rights of First class citizens and No One can force me out because of whatsoever the reasons.

我也同意你的观点,即缴纳这么多税后没有任何福利。我的税款的花销方式让我心碎。并且也开始想搬出印度。但我比较犹豫,那个国家的公民将如何对待我?在这里,我觉得我是这个国家的孩子,拥有一等公民的所有权利,没有人可以因为任何原因强迫我离开。

@Vinod Vinu
Lot of tax money goes to the military.
Police force also needs to be paid - that also is from tax money only.
Then there is building of roads, irrigation projects, flyovers .
They are starting flyover work in Mangalore a 80 crore project.

很多税收都流向了军队。
警察部队也需要支付费用——这也仅来自税金。
然后是修建道路、灌溉工程、立交桥
他们正在门格洛尔启动立交桥工程,这是一个耗资8亿卢比的项目。

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