雅加达是世界上下沉速度最快的城市，印尼在婆罗洲岛耗资330亿建设新首都计划失败 | 《华尔街日报》
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雅加达是世界上下沉速度最快的城市，印尼政府正将首都从爪哇岛迁往 800 英里外的地方。Nusantara 将于下个月开放，但由于投资者撤出、项目负责人辞职以及工程尚未完工，这座城市的命运仍不确定。
@hafizilmi7255
The main reason behind moving Indonesian capital from Jakarta to Nusantara is never because of Jakarta's sinking problem. While it's true that it's one of the reason, but it's not the key reason.
The key reason is because economic development since our independence has always been only concentrated on Java island. So the moving of capital city will symbolize the moving from a Java-centrist development towards an Indonesian-centrist development.
As a native Kalimantan, I really appreciate this move as it'll also bring more and more development to our neglected massive island (3rd largest in the world, as big as the country of Turkey).
将印尼首都从雅加达迁移到努山达拉的主要原因从来都不是因为雅加达下沉的问题。虽然这是原因之一，但不是关键原因。
关键原因在于自我们独立以来的经济发展一直只集中在爪哇岛上。因此，首都的迁移将象征着从以爪哇为中心的发展转向以印尼为中心的发展。
作为一个加里曼丹本地人，我真的很欣赏这一举措，因为它也将为我们被忽视的庞大岛屿（世界第三大，和土耳其国家一样大）带来更多的发展。
The main reason behind moving Indonesian capital from Jakarta to Nusantara is never because of Jakarta's sinking problem. While it's true that it's one of the reason, but it's not the key reason.
The key reason is because economic development since our independence has always been only concentrated on Java island. So the moving of capital city will symbolize the moving from a Java-centrist development towards an Indonesian-centrist development.
As a native Kalimantan, I really appreciate this move as it'll also bring more and more development to our neglected massive island (3rd largest in the world, as big as the country of Turkey).
将印尼首都从雅加达迁移到努山达拉的主要原因从来都不是因为雅加达下沉的问题。虽然这是原因之一，但不是关键原因。
关键原因在于自我们独立以来的经济发展一直只集中在爪哇岛上。因此，首都的迁移将象征着从以爪哇为中心的发展转向以印尼为中心的发展。
作为一个加里曼丹本地人，我真的很欣赏这一举措，因为它也将为我们被忽视的庞大岛屿（世界第三大，和土耳其国家一样大）带来更多的发展。
@hafizilmi7255
I don't know why Western medias seem to make you think that the main reason behind moving our capital city is because of Jakarta's sinking problem, it's not.
我不知道为什么西方媒体似乎让你们觉得搬迁我们首都的主要原因是因为雅加达的下沉问题，并不是。
I don't know why Western medias seem to make you think that the main reason behind moving our capital city is because of Jakarta's sinking problem, it's not.
我不知道为什么西方媒体似乎让你们觉得搬迁我们首都的主要原因是因为雅加达的下沉问题，并不是。
It's simply means a move towards Indonesia-centric development, moving from a Java-centric one.
这简单地意味着向印尼中心的发展转变，从爪哇中心的转变。
这简单地意味着向印尼中心的发展转变，从爪哇中心的转变。
@esashaik1372
Indonesia is building a new capital on the island of Boneo not because Jakarta is sinking.This was planned since Sukarno.Having the capital at the center of Indonesia will help evenly spread out development on all Indonesia's islands.Jakarta is improving and the government is reclaiming land and advancing Jakarta
印尼在婆罗洲岛建设新首都并不是因为雅加达正在下沉。这是自苏加诺时代就计划的。将首都设在印尼中心将有助于在所有印尼岛屿上均衡发展。雅加达正在改善，政府正在填海造地并推进雅加达。
Indonesia is building a new capital on the island of Boneo not because Jakarta is sinking.This was planned since Sukarno.Having the capital at the center of Indonesia will help evenly spread out development on all Indonesia's islands.Jakarta is improving and the government is reclaiming land and advancing Jakarta
印尼在婆罗洲岛建设新首都并不是因为雅加达正在下沉。这是自苏加诺时代就计划的。将首都设在印尼中心将有助于在所有印尼岛屿上均衡发展。雅加达正在改善，政府正在填海造地并推进雅加达。
@kingsimba9513
It's definitely a vanity and personal gain project. Jokowi's entire 2nd term was focused on securing his dynasty's legacy, as evident by the events leading up to his son's nomination as vice president.
Also consider that Prabowo's family owns a lot of the land surrounding Nusantara.
这绝对是一个虚荣和个人利益项目。佐科维的整个第二任期都专注于确保他的王朝遗产，这一点从他儿子被提名为副总统之前的事件中可以看出。
还要考虑普拉博沃家族拥有努山达拉周围大量土地的事实。
It's definitely a vanity and personal gain project. Jokowi's entire 2nd term was focused on securing his dynasty's legacy, as evident by the events leading up to his son's nomination as vice president.
Also consider that Prabowo's family owns a lot of the land surrounding Nusantara.
这绝对是一个虚荣和个人利益项目。佐科维的整个第二任期都专注于确保他的王朝遗产，这一点从他儿子被提名为副总统之前的事件中可以看出。
还要考虑普拉博沃家族拥有努山达拉周围大量土地的事实。
@djayjp
The problem they have is that they're trying to relocate capital, not the CAPITOL....
他们的问题在于他们试图迁移首都，而不是国会大厦...
The problem they have is that they're trying to relocate capital, not the CAPITOL....
他们的问题在于他们试图迁移首都，而不是国会大厦...
@ignatiusiswaradatta6052
@Pmooli abuja was not designed as an economic capital but an administrative one. Nusantara aim to be both and this is where the problem starts, the aim is wayyy to big
阿布贾不是作为经济首都而设计，而是作为行政首都。努山达拉旨在两者兼得，这就是问题开始的地方，目标过于宏大。
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@Pmooli abuja was not designed as an economic capital but an administrative one. Nusantara aim to be both and this is where the problem starts, the aim is wayyy to big
阿布贾不是作为经济首都而设计，而是作为行政首都。努山达拉旨在两者兼得，这就是问题开始的地方，目标过于宏大。
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@joMan1060
@kingsimba9513 yes.. because Majority Indonesia agree to building of Nusantara lol.
是的...因为大多数印尼人同意建设努山达拉，哈哈。
@kingsimba9513 yes.. because Majority Indonesia agree to building of Nusantara lol.
是的...因为大多数印尼人同意建设努山达拉，哈哈。
@Nadhif_Altafy
The whole point of the new capital was to separate Jakarta’s role as a Economy and political city and also Indonesia was criticized to be Java centric for development (which is one of the reasons why Jokowi is hated) and with Nusantara created it will be Indonesia’s Washington DC and like the video stated Borneo (Kalimantan) will be better connectivity islands
新首都的全部意义在于将雅加达作为经济和政治城市的角色分离开来，并且印尼因发展以爪哇为中心而受到批评（这也是佐科维不受欢迎的原因之一），随着努山达拉的建立，它将成为印尼的华盛顿特区，正如视频所述，婆罗洲（加里曼丹）将更好地连接岛屿。
The whole point of the new capital was to separate Jakarta’s role as a Economy and political city and also Indonesia was criticized to be Java centric for development (which is one of the reasons why Jokowi is hated) and with Nusantara created it will be Indonesia’s Washington DC and like the video stated Borneo (Kalimantan) will be better connectivity islands
新首都的全部意义在于将雅加达作为经济和政治城市的角色分离开来，并且印尼因发展以爪哇为中心而受到批评（这也是佐科维不受欢迎的原因之一），随着努山达拉的建立，它将成为印尼的华盛顿特区，正如视频所述，婆罗洲（加里曼丹）将更好地连接岛屿。
@MultiSciGeek
33 billion for a city of 2.5 million is insanely cheap by some measures. For context - the World Cup stadium in Qatar costed 50+ billion and was basically only used for a week.
从某些方面来看，对于一个人口 250 万的城市来说，330 亿的造价简直便宜得离谱。作为参考，卡塔尔世界杯体育场造价超过 500 亿，而且基本上只使用了一周。
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33 billion for a city of 2.5 million is insanely cheap by some measures. For context - the World Cup stadium in Qatar costed 50+ billion and was basically only used for a week.
从某些方面来看，对于一个人口 250 万的城市来说，330 亿的造价简直便宜得离谱。作为参考，卡塔尔世界杯体育场造价超过 500 亿，而且基本上只使用了一周。
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@norfazrinjamal8413
My only concern is the price tag i.e. $33 billion. Indonesia is a poor country (per capita) and as such the cost of labor and building material are cheap. Either Indonesian government is building a grand new capital in a sparsely populated area 'cause of ego or because of corruption. Embezzlement of taxpayers money is common among Indonesian politicians.
我唯一担心的是价格标签，即330亿美元。印尼是一个人均贫穷的国家，因此劳动力和建筑材料的成本都很低。无论是出于自负还是腐败，印尼政府都在人口稀少的地区建造一个宏伟的新首都。印尼政治家挪用纳税人的钱是常见的。
My only concern is the price tag i.e. $33 billion. Indonesia is a poor country (per capita) and as such the cost of labor and building material are cheap. Either Indonesian government is building a grand new capital in a sparsely populated area 'cause of ego or because of corruption. Embezzlement of taxpayers money is common among Indonesian politicians.
我唯一担心的是价格标签，即330亿美元。印尼是一个人均贫穷的国家，因此劳动力和建筑材料的成本都很低。无论是出于自负还是腐败，印尼政府都在人口稀少的地区建造一个宏伟的新首都。印尼政治家挪用纳税人的钱是常见的。
@Yusef-uh4wl
Yes malaysia also built $100 billion (called forest city) and it was a total failure so cost wise its fairly cheap ( nusantara is 2x the size of new york)
是的，马来西亚也建造了耗资 1000 亿美元的项目（称为森林城市），但最终却失败了，因此从成本上来说它相当便宜（努沙登加拉的面积是纽约的 2 倍）
Yes malaysia also built $100 billion (called forest city) and it was a total failure so cost wise its fairly cheap ( nusantara is 2x the size of new york)
是的，马来西亚也建造了耗资 1000 亿美元的项目（称为森林城市），但最终却失败了，因此从成本上来说它相当便宜（努沙登加拉的面积是纽约的 2 倍）
@kaimargonar1000
Thing is Qatar has lots of money. Indonesia on the other hand...
问题是卡塔尔有很多钱。另一方面，印度尼西亚……
Thing is Qatar has lots of money. Indonesia on the other hand...
问题是卡塔尔有很多钱。另一方面，印度尼西亚……
@MI-wy8pr
Look at GDP/capita and look at 1 in 3 babies in Indonesia have been stunting.
看看人均GDP，再看看印尼有三分之一的婴儿发育迟缓。
Look at GDP/capita and look at 1 in 3 babies in Indonesia have been stunting.
看看人均GDP，再看看印尼有三分之一的婴儿发育迟缓。
@kaimargonar1000
@seanrafabagass we have the choice not to build it anyway since they never asked the people for it. Only when deciding the name they did a contest. Looking at the developer invested on it, Im incline to think this just gonna be another BSD, PIK, Meikarta thing
我们有选择不建设它的权利，因为他们从未就此征询过民众的意见。只有在命名时，他们才举办了一个竞赛。考虑到开发商在这方面的投入，我倾向于认为这可能只是另一个像BSD、PIK、Meikarta那样的项目。
@seanrafabagass we have the choice not to build it anyway since they never asked the people for it. Only when deciding the name they did a contest. Looking at the developer invested on it, Im incline to think this just gonna be another BSD, PIK, Meikarta thing
我们有选择不建设它的权利，因为他们从未就此征询过民众的意见。只有在命名时，他们才举办了一个竞赛。考虑到开发商在这方面的投入，我倾向于认为这可能只是另一个像BSD、PIK、Meikarta那样的项目。
@hakim304
Malaysia's Putrajaya city costed USD 8 billion to build in 1995 which is about USD 16 billion at today's inflation value.
马来西亚的普特拉贾亚市于 1995 年建成，耗资 80 亿美元，按今天的通货膨胀率计算，约为 160 亿美元。
Malaysia's Putrajaya city costed USD 8 billion to build in 1995 which is about USD 16 billion at today's inflation value.
马来西亚的普特拉贾亚市于 1995 年建成，耗资 80 亿美元，按今天的通货膨胀率计算，约为 160 亿美元。
@SK-lt1so
In a country with the needs, population, size of Indonesia, it's an absurd waste of money and effort.
对于像印度尼西亚这样有需求、有人口、有面积的国家来说，这简直是浪费金钱和精力。
In a country with the needs, population, size of Indonesia, it's an absurd waste of money and effort.
对于像印度尼西亚这样有需求、有人口、有面积的国家来说，这简直是浪费金钱和精力。
@hafizilmi7255
@kaimargonar1000 Only Indonesia's government annual budget is already more than Qatar's whole GDP. Well yeah we're poor ofc, but atleast we have much bigger economy and activities going on than Qatar
仅印度尼西亚政府的年度预算就已经超过了卡塔尔的整个 GDP。当然，我们确实很穷，但至少我们的经济规模和活动规模比卡塔尔大得多
@kaimargonar1000 Only Indonesia's government annual budget is already more than Qatar's whole GDP. Well yeah we're poor ofc, but atleast we have much bigger economy and activities going on than Qatar
仅印度尼西亚政府的年度预算就已经超过了卡塔尔的整个 GDP。当然，我们确实很穷，但至少我们的经济规模和活动规模比卡塔尔大得多
@fordz545
Forget all those bad narration for nusantara, as Indonesians, most of us surely believe that IKN is the perfect choice for us.
忘掉所有关于 Nusantara 的负面评价吧，作为印尼人，我们大多数人肯定相信 IKN 是我们完美的选择。
Forget all those bad narration for nusantara, as Indonesians, most of us surely believe that IKN is the perfect choice for us.
忘掉所有关于 Nusantara 的负面评价吧，作为印尼人，我们大多数人肯定相信 IKN 是我们完美的选择。
@esashaik1372
@alfianmuhammad1335 The airport will be finished by the end of this month and the independence celebration in the new capital is going ahead as planned.
机场将于本月底完工，新首都的独立庆祝活动将按计划进行。
@alfianmuhammad1335 The airport will be finished by the end of this month and the independence celebration in the new capital is going ahead as planned.
机场将于本月底完工，新首都的独立庆祝活动将按计划进行。
@rizkywirawan2285
@esashaik1372 Baca lagi beritanya Pak Basuki aja minta maaf bandara IKN belum jadi untuk upacara 17 Agustus
再读一遍新闻，Basuki 先生刚刚就 IKN 机场尚未为 8 月 17 日的仪式做好准备表示歉意。
@esashaik1372 Baca lagi beritanya Pak Basuki aja minta maaf bandara IKN belum jadi untuk upacara 17 Agustus
再读一遍新闻，Basuki 先生刚刚就 IKN 机场尚未为 8 月 17 日的仪式做好准备表示歉意。
@esashaik1372
@rizkywirawan2285 Yes the airport was delayed due to bad weather but expect to finish it by the end of this month.
是的，机场由于恶劣天气而延误，但预计将于本月底完工。
@rizkywirawan2285 Yes the airport was delayed due to bad weather but expect to finish it by the end of this month.
是的，机场由于恶劣天气而延误，但预计将于本月底完工。
@kzugert
@irtidzar sure, I followed the progress of its development from when it was a forest and hills until now it has become a nearly finished city.
当然，我从它还是一片森林和山丘的时候就关注了它的发展，直到现在它几乎已经变成了一个完整的城市。
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@irtidzar sure, I followed the progress of its development from when it was a forest and hills until now it has become a nearly finished city.
当然，我从它还是一片森林和山丘的时候就关注了它的发展，直到现在它几乎已经变成了一个完整的城市。
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@MMAallday-
Naming a city Nusantara, is like naming a city America. Nusantara is the historical name for the entire Maritime South East Asia region.
给一个城市命名为Nusantara，就像给一个城市命名为America一样。Nusantara是整个海上东南亚地区的历史名称。
Naming a city Nusantara, is like naming a city America. Nusantara is the historical name for the entire Maritime South East Asia region.
给一个城市命名为Nusantara，就像给一个城市命名为America一样。Nusantara是整个海上东南亚地区的历史名称。
@sharxM16
that way they can claim nusantra only indonesia
那样他们就可以声称Nusantara只属于印尼了。
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that way they can claim nusantra only indonesia
那样他们就可以声称Nusantara只属于印尼了。
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@cesyneighistaut3451
So more like naming a city Mediterranean
所以更像是给一个城市命名为地中海。
So more like naming a city Mediterranean
所以更像是给一个城市命名为地中海。
@robbi2380
That's right, Jokowi choose it only because want grandiose name, he doesn't realize it will duing that name
没错，Jokowi选择这个名字只是因为想要一个宏伟的名字，他没有意识到这会贬低那个名字。
That's right, Jokowi choose it only because want grandiose name, he doesn't realize it will duing that name
没错，Jokowi选择这个名字只是因为想要一个宏伟的名字，他没有意识到这会贬低那个名字。
@faiq026
@robbi2380 not really, he chooses that name simply because it's easier to remember by commoners.
@robbi2380 不完全是，他选择这个名字只是因为普通人更容易记住。
@robbi2380 not really, he chooses that name simply because it's easier to remember by commoners.
@robbi2380 不完全是，他选择这个名字只是因为普通人更容易记住。
@rizkywirawan2285
Penamaanya emang jelek sih.
这个名字确实起得不好。
Penamaanya emang jelek sih.
这个名字确实起得不好。
@chi-jenyang9752
@cesyneighistaut3451 Like naming a city Atlantic City?
像给一个城市命名为大西洋城？
@cesyneighistaut3451 Like naming a city Atlantic City?
像给一个城市命名为大西洋城？
@anonimtanpanama3012
Also like naming a new city "Arab".
也像给一个新城市命名为"阿拉伯"。
Also like naming a new city "Arab".
也像给一个新城市命名为"阿拉伯"。
@anonimtanpanama3012
@kzugert and the garuda is originaly a name from india.
鹰（Garuda）最初是来自印度的名字。
@kzugert and the garuda is originaly a name from india.
鹰（Garuda）最初是来自印度的名字。
@Janovial
@Raryrary Not to forget Towns named St Petersburg, Peking etc.
不要忘了还有名为圣彼得堡、北京等的城镇。
@Raryrary Not to forget Towns named St Petersburg, Peking etc.
不要忘了还有名为圣彼得堡、北京等的城镇。
@SunflowerBeeHappy
Im from the same Island Borneo, Malaysia. On our side we kinda hope Indonesia do able to make this project happen. it definitely can help both country to grow. Brunei aswell.
我来自同一个岛屿婆罗洲，马来西亚。在我们这边，我们希望印尼能够实现这个项目。这无疑可以帮助两国发展。文莱也是。
Im from the same Island Borneo, Malaysia. On our side we kinda hope Indonesia do able to make this project happen. it definitely can help both country to grow. Brunei aswell.
我来自同一个岛屿婆罗洲，马来西亚。在我们这边，我们希望印尼能够实现这个项目。这无疑可以帮助两国发展。文莱也是。
@agnostikisbetter1893
Don’t worry, this project will be successful..
别担心，这个项目会成功的
Don’t worry, this project will be successful..
别担心，这个项目会成功的
@trvst5938
No it makes the country look even worse. Why are they spending 30 billion on a city that can house 2.5 million? Of course it will be all luxury housing.
不，这使这个国家看起来更糟。他们为什么要在一个能容纳250万人口的城市上花费300亿美元？当然，那里全都是豪华住宅。
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No it makes the country look even worse. Why are they spending 30 billion on a city that can house 2.5 million? Of course it will be all luxury housing.
不，这使这个国家看起来更糟。他们为什么要在一个能容纳250万人口的城市上花费300亿美元？当然，那里全都是豪华住宅。
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@hafizilmi7255
@trvst5938 ofc it'll be luxury because it'll most likely host Indonesia's enormous millions of civil servants and its family, it's sign of appreciation and rewards of their service to the people. Also some people (incl me) might be interested to move to this new city.
当然会是豪华的，因为它很可能会容纳印尼数百万的公务员及其家庭，这是对他们为人民服务的一种赏识和奖励。还有一些人（包括我）可能有兴趣搬到这个新城市。
@trvst5938 ofc it'll be luxury because it'll most likely host Indonesia's enormous millions of civil servants and its family, it's sign of appreciation and rewards of their service to the people. Also some people (incl me) might be interested to move to this new city.
当然会是豪华的，因为它很可能会容纳印尼数百万的公务员及其家庭，这是对他们为人民服务的一种赏识和奖励。还有一些人（包括我）可能有兴趣搬到这个新城市。
@paulinenathania199
Because one of the goals for IKN is for housing of civil servant... not us ordinary civiliant. Many in Here doesn't want to relocate that easily... it comes with price. I am from Indonesia.
因为IKN的目标之一是为公务员提供住房...而不是我们普通平民。这里的许多人并不想轻易搬迁...这需要付出代价。我来自印尼。
Because one of the goals for IKN is for housing of civil servant... not us ordinary civiliant. Many in Here doesn't want to relocate that easily... it comes with price. I am from Indonesia.
因为IKN的目标之一是为公务员提供住房...而不是我们普通平民。这里的许多人并不想轻易搬迁...这需要付出代价。我来自印尼。
@hafizilmi7255
@paulinenathania199 that's very true. But the target of 2.5 million population is very achievable don't worry. You said many here, out of 280 million, let's say if 270 million won't move, 10 million might still be interested.
这是非常真实的。但不用担心，250万人口的目标是很容易实现的。你在这里说许多人，如果2.8亿中有2.7亿不会搬，可能还有1000万人会感兴趣。
@paulinenathania199 that's very true. But the target of 2.5 million population is very achievable don't worry. You said many here, out of 280 million, let's say if 270 million won't move, 10 million might still be interested.
这是非常真实的。但不用担心，250万人口的目标是很容易实现的。你在这里说许多人，如果2.8亿中有2.7亿不会搬，可能还有1000万人会感兴趣。
@iwannabeapilot930
hi an indonesian here, the project is actually kinda close to 2 of the largest city in the kalimantan island (indonesian city), so its not entirely like far away in the middle of the jungle. as of right now the presidential building is iconic enough to be a tourist destination i guess if everything suddenly halts.
大家好，我是印尼人，这个项目实际上离加里曼丹岛（印尼城市）上的两个最大城市相当近，所以它并不是完全位于丛林深处。就目前而言，如果一切突然停止，总统大楼已经足够成为标志性的旅游目的地。
hi an indonesian here, the project is actually kinda close to 2 of the largest city in the kalimantan island (indonesian city), so its not entirely like far away in the middle of the jungle. as of right now the presidential building is iconic enough to be a tourist destination i guess if everything suddenly halts.
大家好，我是印尼人，这个项目实际上离加里曼丹岛（印尼城市）上的两个最大城市相当近，所以它并不是完全位于丛林深处。就目前而言，如果一切突然停止，总统大楼已经足够成为标志性的旅游目的地。
@briantarigan7685
Nah, The project itself already pretty advanced and the President already took office there, they would finish it.
嗯，项目本身已经很先进了，总统也已经在那里办公了，他们会完成它的。
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Nah, The project itself already pretty advanced and the President already took office there, they would finish it.
嗯，项目本身已经很先进了，总统也已经在那里办公了，他们会完成它的。
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@PIG_ALLAh
Indonesia has only natural resources, the rest of this country has nothing. It does not have technology, manufacturing, information technology, Military. There is only one world class city in this country, the rest are all towns. This country survives only by exporting natural resources.
Some Indonesians think that by making 1 HSR ( 100 km), they have become quite advanced. Indonesia's metro system is only 20 km. There are only 2500 start ups in Indonesia. Indonesia is embarrassing to be called as Big country.
印尼只有自然资源，这个国家的其余部分什么都没有。它没有技术、制造业、信息技术、军事。这个国家只有一个世界级城市，其余的都是小镇。这个国家仅靠出口自然资源生存。
一些印尼人认为，通过建造1条HSR（100公里），他们已经相当先进了。印尼的地铁系统仅有20公里。印尼只有2500家初创公司。被称为大国的印尼令人尴尬。
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Indonesia has only natural resources, the rest of this country has nothing. It does not have technology, manufacturing, information technology, Military. There is only one world class city in this country, the rest are all towns. This country survives only by exporting natural resources.
Some Indonesians think that by making 1 HSR ( 100 km), they have become quite advanced. Indonesia's metro system is only 20 km. There are only 2500 start ups in Indonesia. Indonesia is embarrassing to be called as Big country.
印尼只有自然资源，这个国家的其余部分什么都没有。它没有技术、制造业、信息技术、军事。这个国家只有一个世界级城市，其余的都是小镇。这个国家仅靠出口自然资源生存。
一些印尼人认为，通过建造1条HSR（100公里），他们已经相当先进了。印尼的地铁系统仅有20公里。印尼只有2500家初创公司。被称为大国的印尼令人尴尬。
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@tntrtswrsmurf
it not stop, almost finish 1st project, and also protect by government rule so whoever the president must continue it, because it's vision of the founder of indonesia, and Mr President Jokowi executed it, the only person that has brave to executed project for the citizens and for the people that live in the island
它没有停止，几乎完成了第一个项目，而且受到政府规定的保护，所以无论谁是总统都必须继续它，因为它是印尼创始人的愿景，而Jokowi总统执行了它，他是唯一有勇气为公民和生活在岛上的人执行项目的人
it not stop, almost finish 1st project, and also protect by government rule so whoever the president must continue it, because it's vision of the founder of indonesia, and Mr President Jokowi executed it, the only person that has brave to executed project for the citizens and for the people that live in the island
它没有停止，几乎完成了第一个项目，而且受到政府规定的保护，所以无论谁是总统都必须继续它，因为它是印尼创始人的愿景，而Jokowi总统执行了它，他是唯一有勇气为公民和生活在岛上的人执行项目的人
@ianhomerpura8937
@briantarigan7685 I hope that those real estate projects are connected to the commuter railway network. Indonesia does not need US-style car-centric suburbs.
我希望那些房地产项目与通勤铁路网络相连。印尼不需要以汽车为中心的美国式郊区
@briantarigan7685 I hope that those real estate projects are connected to the commuter railway network. Indonesia does not need US-style car-centric suburbs.
我希望那些房地产项目与通勤铁路网络相连。印尼不需要以汽车为中心的美国式郊区
@lawrencelawrence7638
It’s a first phase of construction folks, you gotta build the basic infrastructures before foreign investments will come in and the government is also giving priority to local investors otherwise Nusantara is owned by foreigners.
这是建设的第一阶段，伙计们，在外国投资进来之前，你们得先建造基础设施，政府也在优先考虑本地投资者，否则努山达拉将被外国人拥有。
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It’s a first phase of construction folks, you gotta build the basic infrastructures before foreign investments will come in and the government is also giving priority to local investors otherwise Nusantara is owned by foreigners.
这是建设的第一阶段，伙计们，在外国投资进来之前，你们得先建造基础设施，政府也在优先考虑本地投资者，否则努山达拉将被外国人拥有。
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@Yusef-uh4wl
Exactly. But the mistake of indonesia is not communicating it clearly. Everyone be like: no investors at this stage therefore no investors forever. Its not like you have anything to invest at this point
完全正确。但印尼的错误是没有清楚地沟通。每个人都会这样想：这个阶段没有投资者，所以永远没有投资者。这不是说你在这一点上有什么可以投资的
Exactly. But the mistake of indonesia is not communicating it clearly. Everyone be like: no investors at this stage therefore no investors forever. Its not like you have anything to invest at this point
完全正确。但印尼的错误是没有清楚地沟通。每个人都会这样想：这个阶段没有投资者，所以永远没有投资者。这不是说你在这一点上有什么可以投资的
@tntrtswrsmurf
also got filter by the city urban planning rule... you can't just invest without what neededs there.. to avoid become like jakarta no planning at all
还必须通过城市城市规划规则的筛选...你不能在没有那里所需的东西的情况下随意投资...以避免变得像雅加达那样完全没有规划
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also got filter by the city urban planning rule... you can't just invest without what neededs there.. to avoid become like jakarta no planning at all
还必须通过城市城市规划规则的筛选...你不能在没有那里所需的东西的情况下随意投资...以避免变得像雅加达那样完全没有规划
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@kudajingkrak4919
Yup.. and government buildings must use governent money, Not investors money. especially presidential palace and military headquarters.
是的..政府建筑必须使用政府的资金，而不是投资者的资金。特别是总统府和军事总部。
Yup.. and government buildings must use governent money, Not investors money. especially presidential palace and military headquarters.
是的..政府建筑必须使用政府的资金，而不是投资者的资金。特别是总统府和军事总部。
@hafizilmi7255
@Yusef-uh4wl Indonesia never said that, it's all Western Media reports. They don't want Indonesia to become a succesful country, they want this project to fail so Indonesia have a bad reputation.
印尼从未这么说过，这都是西方媒体的报道。他们不希望印尼成为一个成功的国家，他们希望这个项目失败，这样印尼就有不好的名声。
@Yusef-uh4wl Indonesia never said that, it's all Western Media reports. They don't want Indonesia to become a succesful country, they want this project to fail so Indonesia have a bad reputation.
印尼从未这么说过，这都是西方媒体的报道。他们不希望印尼成为一个成功的国家，他们希望这个项目失败，这样印尼就有不好的名声。
@GiftL04-b3l
The budget is not the problem, it's not costly as many people think. Indonesia is a trillion dollar economy with 200 billion budget per anum and it's still a developing country so construction and wage cost is lower. While the government only relocates a few billion USD yearly until it's finished around 2040s means it's a long term project with reasonable budget.
预算不是问题，它并不像许多人认为的那样昂贵。印尼是万亿美元经济体，每年有2000亿预算，而且仍然是发展中国家，所以建设和工资成本较低。而政府每年只迁移几十亿美元，直到大约2040年完成，这意味着这是一个长期项目，预算合理。
The budget is not the problem, it's not costly as many people think. Indonesia is a trillion dollar economy with 200 billion budget per anum and it's still a developing country so construction and wage cost is lower. While the government only relocates a few billion USD yearly until it's finished around 2040s means it's a long term project with reasonable budget.
预算不是问题，它并不像许多人认为的那样昂贵。印尼是万亿美元经济体，每年有2000亿预算，而且仍然是发展中国家，所以建设和工资成本较低。而政府每年只迁移几十亿美元，直到大约2040年完成，这意味着这是一个长期项目，预算合理。
The problem here is that Indonesia is a democracy. A lot of uncertainty facing the government wheater they have the long term will or not to pursue this new capital.
这里的问题是印尼是一个民主国家。政府面临很多不确定性，他们是否有长期意愿去追求这个新首都。
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这里的问题是印尼是一个民主国家。政府面临很多不确定性，他们是否有长期意愿去追求这个新首都。
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@riptyurass302
Jakarta’s don’t want to pack up and move. Imagine you lived in a city your whole life and the government told you to pack up and leave. Most Jakartans would rather stay until a tragedy forces them to leave.
雅加达人不想收拾行李搬家。想象一下，如果你一生都生活在一个城市里，政府却告诉你打包离开。大多数雅加达人宁愿留下，直到悲剧迫使他们离开。
Jakarta’s don’t want to pack up and move. Imagine you lived in a city your whole life and the government told you to pack up and leave. Most Jakartans would rather stay until a tragedy forces them to leave.
雅加达人不想收拾行李搬家。想象一下，如果你一生都生活在一个城市里，政府却告诉你打包离开。大多数雅加达人宁愿留下，直到悲剧迫使他们离开。
@agnostikisbetter1893
@riptyurass302 they only ask government’s workers to leave not random people lol.. also they got extra paid and nice apartments there. and ikn is close to two big cities…
他们只要求政府工作人员离开，不是随便什么人哈哈...而且他们有额外的薪水和漂亮的公寓。还有IKN靠近两个大城市…
@riptyurass302 they only ask government’s workers to leave not random people lol.. also they got extra paid and nice apartments there. and ikn is close to two big cities…
他们只要求政府工作人员离开，不是随便什么人哈哈...而且他们有额外的薪水和漂亮的公寓。还有IKN靠近两个大城市…
@agnostikisbetter1893
@riptyurass302 他们确实给了搬迁的政府员工一些补偿，但并不是所有人都愿意离开雅加达。许多人在那里有家庭、事业和生活，搬迁不是那么容易的。
@riptyurass302 他们确实给了搬迁的政府员工一些补偿，但并不是所有人都愿意离开雅加达。许多人在那里有家庭、事业和生活，搬迁不是那么容易的。
@agnostikisbetter1893
@riptyurass302 Indeed, relocation isn't forced, the government offers incentives, but the final decision lies with the individual. The purpose of IKN is to decentralize the capital functions and reduce congestion and pressure in Jakarta.
的确，搬迁不是强制的，政府提供了激励措施，但最终决定权在个人。IKN的目的是分散首都功能，减少雅加达的拥堵和压力。
@riptyurass302 Indeed, relocation isn't forced, the government offers incentives, but the final decision lies with the individual. The purpose of IKN is to decentralize the capital functions and reduce congestion and pressure in Jakarta.
的确，搬迁不是强制的，政府提供了激励措施，但最终决定权在个人。IKN的目的是分散首都功能，减少雅加达的拥堵和压力。
@nationalistliberal1320
@riptyurass302 thousands are moving here every month, we dont need more jakartans here. We are already crowded.
每个月都有成千上万的人搬到这里，我们不需要更多的雅加达人。这里已经很拥挤了。
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@riptyurass302 thousands are moving here every month, we dont need more jakartans here. We are already crowded.
每个月都有成千上万的人搬到这里，我们不需要更多的雅加达人。这里已经很拥挤了。
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@alexlong3714
@riptyurass302 People migrate in search of better living conditions and opportunities. It's a global phenomenon, not limited to Jakarta or IKN.
人们迁移是为了追求更好的生活条件和机会。这是全球现象，不仅限于雅加达或IKN。
@riptyurass302 People migrate in search of better living conditions and opportunities. It's a global phenomenon, not limited to Jakarta or IKN.
人们迁移是为了追求更好的生活条件和机会。这是全球现象，不仅限于雅加达或IKN。
@alexlong3714
@riptyurass302 人口迁移会发生的，当人们在其他地方寻找机会，他们的生活标准可以得到提高。全世界都已证明，哪里有机会人们就会去哪里。
@riptyurass302 人口迁移会发生的，当人们在其他地方寻找机会，他们的生活标准可以得到提高。全世界都已证明，哪里有机会人们就会去哪里。
@wasuptho
who knows the best for their own lands are the people, majority of Indonesians supports Nusantara. you like it or not, this is our land!
最了解自己土地的人是人民，大多数印尼人支持努山达拉。不管你喜不喜欢，这是我们的土地！
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who knows the best for their own lands are the people, majority of Indonesians supports Nusantara. you like it or not, this is our land!
最了解自己土地的人是人民，大多数印尼人支持努山达拉。不管你喜不喜欢，这是我们的土地！
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@michaelmerrill5187
How did Malaysia did it tho? I don't think they needed foreign investors when they built putrajaya but then again it is not far from the capital city so they don't really need to invite investors they just naturally pour in.
但马来西亚是怎么做到的呢？我不认为他们在建造布城时需要外国投资者，但话说回来，它离首都并不远，所以他们并不真的需要邀请投资者，投资者自然就涌入了。
How did Malaysia did it tho? I don't think they needed foreign investors when they built putrajaya but then again it is not far from the capital city so they don't really need to invite investors they just naturally pour in.
但马来西亚是怎么做到的呢？我不认为他们在建造布城时需要外国投资者，但话说回来，它离首都并不远，所以他们并不真的需要邀请投资者，投资者自然就涌入了。
@agnostikisbetter1893
Putrajaya is small compared to nusantara. It’s 2 times bigger than New York city. If you consider only government area like putrajaya, nusantara do it the same. no need investment for that.
与努山达拉相比，布城很小。它比纽约市大两倍。如果你只考虑像布城这样的政府区域，努山达拉也是这么做的。那不需要投资。
Putrajaya is small compared to nusantara. It’s 2 times bigger than New York city. If you consider only government area like putrajaya, nusantara do it the same. no need investment for that.
与努山达拉相比，布城很小。它比纽约市大两倍。如果你只考虑像布城这样的政府区域，努山达拉也是这么做的。那不需要投资。
@Sovereignindividual21
Putrajaya is also pretty close to KL
布城离吉隆坡也挺近的。
Putrajaya is also pretty close to KL
布城离吉隆坡也挺近的。
@hafizilmi7255
Putrajaya is small and supplying logistic is very very easy compared to supplying massive Nusantara
布城很小，供应物流非常容易，与供应庞大的努山达拉相比。
Putrajaya is small and supplying logistic is very very easy compared to supplying massive Nusantara
布城很小，供应物流非常容易，与供应庞大的努山达拉相比。
@thankuslay6766
IKN doesn't need foreign investors for the governmental buildings which is the same case w/ Putrajaya. But IKN will built the next phases (commercial and residents)
IKN不需要外国投资者来建造政府建筑，这与布城的情况相同。但IKN将建造下一阶段（商业和住宅）。
IKN doesn't need foreign investors for the governmental buildings which is the same case w/ Putrajaya. But IKN will built the next phases (commercial and residents)
IKN不需要外国投资者来建造政府建筑，这与布城的情况相同。但IKN将建造下一阶段（商业和住宅）。
@andayaman
38 billion is what politicians say so that people think this is great idea so cheap, worth it. The actual cost will hundreds if not thousands of billions. Paid later and forever by future indonesians.
38亿是政客们所说的数字，好让人们认为这是一个很棒的想法，如此便宜，值得。实际成本将是数百亿，如果不是数千亿的话。将由未来的印尼人以后永远支付。
38 billion is what politicians say so that people think this is great idea so cheap, worth it. The actual cost will hundreds if not thousands of billions. Paid later and forever by future indonesians.
38亿是政客们所说的数字，好让人们认为这是一个很棒的想法，如此便宜，值得。实际成本将是数百亿，如果不是数千亿的话。将由未来的印尼人以后永远支付。
@alexlong3714
Nusantara was a geographical name for a place that mostly comprised of most of Indonesia's territory today. The name was used by ancient kingdoms in Java island, including the Majapahit Empire which is the largest empire in Southeast Asia's history. The name was later adopted for the new capital city of Indonesia.
努山达拉曾是今天大部分印尼领土所在地的地理名称。这个名字曾被爪哇岛上的古代王国使用，包括东南亚历史上最大的帝国满者伯夷帝国。这个名字后来被用于印尼的新首都。
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Nusantara was a geographical name for a place that mostly comprised of most of Indonesia's territory today. The name was used by ancient kingdoms in Java island, including the Majapahit Empire which is the largest empire in Southeast Asia's history. The name was later adopted for the new capital city of Indonesia.
努山达拉曾是今天大部分印尼领土所在地的地理名称。这个名字曾被爪哇岛上的古代王国使用，包括东南亚历史上最大的帝国满者伯夷帝国。这个名字后来被用于印尼的新首都。
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@mashoodsalawu2972
Indonesia has a GDP of over a trillion dollars that's pretty wealthy to me.
印尼的GDP超过一万亿美元，对我来说这是相当富有的。
Indonesia has a GDP of over a trillion dollars that's pretty wealthy to me.
印尼的GDP超过一万亿美元，对我来说这是相当富有的。
@LC-zi8jw
You do know that a country's wealth isn't measured just by looking at GDP right? It might be a trillion dollar economy but its GDP per capita says otherwise where it will most probably be overtaken by Vietnam in a few years.
你知道一个国家的财富不仅仅通过GDP来衡量，对吧？它可能是一个万亿美元的经济体，但它的人均GDP却说明了其他问题，它很可能在几年内被越南超越。
You do know that a country's wealth isn't measured just by looking at GDP right? It might be a trillion dollar economy but its GDP per capita says otherwise where it will most probably be overtaken by Vietnam in a few years.
你知道一个国家的财富不仅仅通过GDP来衡量，对吧？它可能是一个万亿美元的经济体，但它的人均GDP却说明了其他问题，它很可能在几年内被越南超越。
@agnostikisbetter1893
@LC-zi8jw Not that simple if you come to nation’s wealth. country’s wealth is different to people’s wealth. to be sure is to calculate the nation assets minus debt. countries like venezuela or argentina have high gdp percapita compared to indonesia. but their economy is broken with huge debts.. it’s like you say singapore is richer than usa, while usa is the center economy of the world, they have more money to spend. but when it comes to people in AVERAGE, singaporean is richer..
谈到国家财富时并不是那么简单。国家财富与人民财富不同。要确定的是计算国家资产减去债务。像委内瑞拉或阿根廷这样的国家与印尼相比有较高的人均GDP。但他们的经济因巨额债务而破裂..这就像你说新加坡比美国更富有，而美国是世界经济中心，他们有更多的钱可以花。但当谈到人均时，新加坡人更富有..
@LC-zi8jw Not that simple if you come to nation’s wealth. country’s wealth is different to people’s wealth. to be sure is to calculate the nation assets minus debt. countries like venezuela or argentina have high gdp percapita compared to indonesia. but their economy is broken with huge debts.. it’s like you say singapore is richer than usa, while usa is the center economy of the world, they have more money to spend. but when it comes to people in AVERAGE, singaporean is richer..
谈到国家财富时并不是那么简单。国家财富与人民财富不同。要确定的是计算国家资产减去债务。像委内瑞拉或阿根廷这样的国家与印尼相比有较高的人均GDP。但他们的经济因巨额债务而破裂..这就像你说新加坡比美国更富有，而美国是世界经济中心，他们有更多的钱可以花。但当谈到人均时，新加坡人更富有..
@Yusef-uh4wl
It is but indonesia is short on cash for its size. Singapore has around $400b cash for 6 mio citizen, indonesia has $140 billion for 280 mio citizen, it can always take loan if really desperate
确实如此，但印尼的现金短缺与其规模不符。新加坡有大约4000亿美元现金用于600万公民，印尼有1400亿美元用于2.8亿公民，如果真到绝境，它总是可以贷款的。
It is but indonesia is short on cash for its size. Singapore has around $400b cash for 6 mio citizen, indonesia has $140 billion for 280 mio citizen, it can always take loan if really desperate
确实如此，但印尼的现金短缺与其规模不符。新加坡有大约4000亿美元现金用于600万公民，印尼有1400亿美元用于2.8亿公民，如果真到绝境，它总是可以贷款的。
@davidw8668
@agnostikisbetter1893 singapore isn't poorer than people in NY or SF which are cities like singapore but it isn't a country like the US. There is just a major categorical error in that comparison.
新加坡并不比纽约或旧金山的人穷，这些城市像新加坡一样，但它不是一个像美国这样的国家。那个比较存在一个主要的范畴错误。
@agnostikisbetter1893 singapore isn't poorer than people in NY or SF which are cities like singapore but it isn't a country like the US. There is just a major categorical error in that comparison.
新加坡并不比纽约或旧金山的人穷，这些城市像新加坡一样，但它不是一个像美国这样的国家。那个比较存在一个主要的范畴错误。
@joMan1060
@Yusef-uh4wl singapore people is reacher yes... but Indonesia GDP 1.4 trillion dollar economy.
新加坡人是更富有，是的...但是印尼GDP是1.4万亿美元的经济体。
@Yusef-uh4wl singapore people is reacher yes... but Indonesia GDP 1.4 trillion dollar economy.
新加坡人是更富有，是的...但是印尼GDP是1.4万亿美元的经济体。
@menjivarTv
I think in the long term this new city is a good solution, having the economy of a country depend only on one metropolitan area is a risk, considering climate change can hurt Jakarta in the future.
我认为从长远来看，这个新城市是一个好的解决方案，让一个国家的经济只依赖一个都市区是有风险的，考虑到气候变化将来可能会伤害雅加达。
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I think in the long term this new city is a good solution, having the economy of a country depend only on one metropolitan area is a risk, considering climate change can hurt Jakarta in the future.
我认为从长远来看，这个新城市是一个好的解决方案，让一个国家的经济只依赖一个都市区是有风险的，考虑到气候变化将来可能会伤害雅加达。
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@raihanwidodo1042
Im afraid the project right now is a sunk cost fallacy, moving forward is the only way and stopping it is not an option and should it be completed it'll be a pyrrhic one.
我担心这个项目现在是一个沉没成本谬误，向前推进是唯一的方式，停止它不是一个选项，如果它完成了，它将是一个皮洛士的胜利。
Im afraid the project right now is a sunk cost fallacy, moving forward is the only way and stopping it is not an option and should it be completed it'll be a pyrrhic one.
我担心这个项目现在是一个沉没成本谬误，向前推进是唯一的方式，停止它不是一个选项，如果它完成了，它将是一个皮洛士的胜利。
@Pmooli
It makes sense. I remember Abuja in Nigeria was likewise criticised. It turned out as a great success.
这是有道理的。我记得尼日利亚的阿布贾也受到了类似的批评。结果证明是巨大的成功。
It makes sense. I remember Abuja in Nigeria was likewise criticised. It turned out as a great success.
这是有道理的。我记得尼日利亚的阿布贾也受到了类似的批评。结果证明是巨大的成功。
@kingsimba9513
Not really. They can cut their losses at $3 billion, or choose to go ahead and waste another $30 billion.
并不真的。他们可以在30亿美元的时候止损，或者选择继续前进，浪费另外300亿美元。
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Not really. They can cut their losses at $3 billion, or choose to go ahead and waste another $30 billion.
并不真的。他们可以在30亿美元的时候止损，或者选择继续前进，浪费另外300亿美元。
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@WarzoneOfficial22789
sebenarnya Indonesia tidak hanya mengandalkan komoditas sebagai penghasilan.. kami melakukan diversifikasi seperti dari pariwisata, manufaktur, jasa, dan lain sebagainya. Bahkan tenaga kerja Indonesia atau imigran yang berjumlah 8 juta orang yang bekerja di luar negeri setiap tahun membantu Indonesia mendapatkan devisa sebesar $10 billion dollar.
实际上，印尼不仅仅依靠商品作为收入来源...我们进行了多样化，比如来自旅游、制造业、服务业等。甚至有800万印尼劳动力或移民每年在国外工作，帮助印尼获得高达1000亿美元的外汇。
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sebenarnya Indonesia tidak hanya mengandalkan komoditas sebagai penghasilan.. kami melakukan diversifikasi seperti dari pariwisata, manufaktur, jasa, dan lain sebagainya. Bahkan tenaga kerja Indonesia atau imigran yang berjumlah 8 juta orang yang bekerja di luar negeri setiap tahun membantu Indonesia mendapatkan devisa sebesar $10 billion dollar.
实际上，印尼不仅仅依靠商品作为收入来源...我们进行了多样化，比如来自旅游、制造业、服务业等。甚至有800万印尼劳动力或移民每年在国外工作，帮助印尼获得高达1000亿美元的外汇。
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@dlsbd4111
You people know that investors need basic infrastructure to start investing, right?
你们知道投资者需要基础设施才能开始投资，对吧？
You people know that investors need basic infrastructure to start investing, right?
你们知道投资者需要基础设施才能开始投资，对吧？
@wiry7428
Investors need CONSUMERS so they can expect people buying their merchandise. How that would be possible when nusantara is only inhabited by civil servants? Even jokowi and his brat refused to move to nusantara
投资者需要消费者，这样他们就可以期望人们购买他们的商品。当努山达拉只有公务员居住时，这怎么可能实现？连佐科维和他的孩子都拒绝搬到努山达拉。
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Investors need CONSUMERS so they can expect people buying their merchandise. How that would be possible when nusantara is only inhabited by civil servants? Even jokowi and his brat refused to move to nusantara
投资者需要消费者，这样他们就可以期望人们购买他们的商品。当努山达拉只有公务员居住时，这怎么可能实现？连佐科维和他的孩子都拒绝搬到努山达拉。
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@RdmassRdmass
The new capital city of Indonesia would be a great city, promoting so many advantageous things including preventing deforestation from going further and accelerating reforestation in some other parts of especially Kalimantan.
印尼的新首都将是一个伟大的城市，促进许多有利的事情，包括防止进一步的森林砍伐和加速特别是在加里曼丹等地的重新造林。
The new capital city of Indonesia would be a great city, promoting so many advantageous things including preventing deforestation from going further and accelerating reforestation in some other parts of especially Kalimantan.
印尼的新首都将是一个伟大的城市，促进许多有利的事情，包括防止进一步的森林砍伐和加速特别是在加里曼丹等地的重新造林。
@jairenstewal
Jealous? It’s not “uncertain” it is certain that this city will be finished at some point, and the target completion of 2045 is still freakin’ long way to go, as we can see the actual condition of what the gov called as phase one is already nearly completed. It may shocked all of you when you see it. It is so true so many other countries are jealous and afraid of what Jokowi’s trying to do and achieve. As he said, when the infrastructure was there, Indonesia doesn’t really need to look for investors, they will come and look for Indonesia.
嫉妒吗？这不是“不确定”，这座城市在某个时候一定会建成，目标完成日期是2045年，还有很长的路要走，正如我们所看到的，政府所说的第一阶段的实际状况已经接近完成。当你们看到它时可能会感到震惊。的确有很多其他国家嫉妒和害怕佐科维正在尝试做和实现的事情。正如他所说，当基础设施到位时，印尼真的不需要寻找投资者，他们会来找印尼。
Jealous? It’s not “uncertain” it is certain that this city will be finished at some point, and the target completion of 2045 is still freakin’ long way to go, as we can see the actual condition of what the gov called as phase one is already nearly completed. It may shocked all of you when you see it. It is so true so many other countries are jealous and afraid of what Jokowi’s trying to do and achieve. As he said, when the infrastructure was there, Indonesia doesn’t really need to look for investors, they will come and look for Indonesia.
嫉妒吗？这不是“不确定”，这座城市在某个时候一定会建成，目标完成日期是2045年，还有很长的路要走，正如我们所看到的，政府所说的第一阶段的实际状况已经接近完成。当你们看到它时可能会感到震惊。的确有很多其他国家嫉妒和害怕佐科维正在尝试做和实现的事情。正如他所说，当基础设施到位时，印尼真的不需要寻找投资者，他们会来找印尼。
@anonimtanpanama3012
Moving capital is not as easy as moving office equipments into new buildings. The result will not be far from previous mega projects.
迁移首都并不像将办公设备搬进新大楼那么容易。结果将与以前的大型项目相差无几。
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Moving capital is not as easy as moving office equipments into new buildings. The result will not be far from previous mega projects.
迁移首都并不像将办公设备搬进新大楼那么容易。结果将与以前的大型项目相差无几。
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@SwingingOrangutan
Fun fact: the land that surrounds the new capital is owned by Jokowi (the current president) and his family. There definitely aren't ulterior motives at play here.
有趣的事实：围绕新首都的土地由佐科维（现任总统）及其家族拥有。这里绝对没有不可告人的动机。
Fun fact: the land that surrounds the new capital is owned by Jokowi (the current president) and his family. There definitely aren't ulterior motives at play here.
有趣的事实：围绕新首都的土地由佐科维（现任总统）及其家族拥有。这里绝对没有不可告人的动机。
@TheMap1997
Not jokowi, a lot of the lands own by Prabowo's brother, Hashim
不是佐科维，很多土地是普拉博沃的兄弟哈希姆拥有的。
Not jokowi, a lot of the lands own by Prabowo's brother, Hashim
不是佐科维，很多土地是普拉博沃的兄弟哈希姆拥有的。
@kingsimba9513
@TheMap1997 And Jokowi's son, Gibran, is Prabowo's running mate. Doesn't really paint Jokowi in a better light when we consider that him and Prabowo were antagonistic towards one another up till the recent election.
They're all in cahoots lol.
而且佐科维的儿子，吉布兰，是普拉博沃的竞选伙伴。当我们考虑到佐科维和普拉博沃直到最近一次选举前彼此对立时，这并没有真正让佐科维看起来更好。
他们都串通一气，哈哈。
@TheMap1997 And Jokowi's son, Gibran, is Prabowo's running mate. Doesn't really paint Jokowi in a better light when we consider that him and Prabowo were antagonistic towards one another up till the recent election.
They're all in cahoots lol.
而且佐科维的儿子，吉布兰，是普拉博沃的竞选伙伴。当我们考虑到佐科维和普拉博沃直到最近一次选举前彼此对立时，这并没有真正让佐科维看起来更好。
他们都串通一气，哈哈。
@lonemey
Emang kenapa kalo punya Dinasti Jokowi ? Iri ya ? Satrio piningit ,dinasti penerus trah Nusantara tak bisa salah ,,!
真的为什么拥有佐科维王朝？嫉妒吗？Satrio piningit，努山达拉的继承者王朝不会有错，，!
Emang kenapa kalo punya Dinasti Jokowi ? Iri ya ? Satrio piningit ,dinasti penerus trah Nusantara tak bisa salah ,,!
真的为什么拥有佐科维王朝？嫉妒吗？Satrio piningit，努山达拉的继承者王朝不会有错，，!
@kingsimba9513
@lonemey lol no way you're saying that political dynasties are ok. To even consider establishing one means that you're putting your personal interests above the common good.
What a dented take.
哈哈，你不可能说政治王朝是可以接受的。甚至考虑建立一个意味着你将自己的个人利益置于公共利益之上。
多么有缺陷的看法。
@lonemey lol no way you're saying that political dynasties are ok. To even consider establishing one means that you're putting your personal interests above the common good.
What a dented take.
哈哈，你不可能说政治王朝是可以接受的。甚至考虑建立一个意味着你将自己的个人利益置于公共利益之上。
多么有缺陷的看法。
@houseplant1016
@kingsimba9513 Political dynasties are present in every democracy, it's one of the biggest flaws. Give me a country and I'll list many political dynasties, once one of your family members become successful in politics it's proven that their descendants often get in easier then people from a worse socio-economic background.
政治王朝存在于每个民主国家，这是最大的缺陷之一。给我一个国家，我会列举许多政治王朝，一旦你的家庭成员在政治上取得成功，事实证明他们的后代往往比来自较差社会经济背景的人更容易进入。
@kingsimba9513 Political dynasties are present in every democracy, it's one of the biggest flaws. Give me a country and I'll list many political dynasties, once one of your family members become successful in politics it's proven that their descendants often get in easier then people from a worse socio-economic background.
政治王朝存在于每个民主国家，这是最大的缺陷之一。给我一个国家，我会列举许多政治王朝，一旦你的家庭成员在政治上取得成功，事实证明他们的后代往往比来自较差社会经济背景的人更容易进入。
@babehnya69
@kingsimba9513 Semarang-Jogja (or Jogja-Solo) Highway is almost completed anyway.. Get the fact straight up before you commenting.
Segment 1.1 will be inaugurated on this September tho, and physically it's already 98% complete.
So? What's your point anyway?
三宝垄-日惹（或日惹-梭罗）高速公路反正都快完成了..在你评论之前先搞清楚事实。
1.1段将在9月举行落成典礼，而且实际上已经完成了98%。
那又怎样？你到底想说什么？
@kingsimba9513 Semarang-Jogja (or Jogja-Solo) Highway is almost completed anyway.. Get the fact straight up before you commenting.
Segment 1.1 will be inaugurated on this September tho, and physically it's already 98% complete.
So? What's your point anyway?
三宝垄-日惹（或日惹-梭罗）高速公路反正都快完成了..在你评论之前先搞清楚事实。
1.1段将在9月举行落成典礼，而且实际上已经完成了98%。
那又怎样？你到底想说什么？
@andipejalan3382
Nusantara will success !!! you are always underestimated with Indonesia capability
努山达拉会成功的！！！你总是低估了印尼的能力！
Nusantara will success !!! you are always underestimated with Indonesia capability
努山达拉会成功的！！！你总是低估了印尼的能力！
@WarzoneOfficial22789
Propaganda barat ya seperti itu.. Makanya sampai sekarang Singapura yang jauh lebih kecil lebih terkenal dibanding Indonesia karena mereka lebih menginginkan singapura sebagai pengendali ASEAN daripada Indonesia yang mayoritas islam.
西方的宣传就是这样..这就是为什么直到现在，比印尼小得多的新加坡更出名，因为他们更希望新加坡成为东盟的控制者，而不是伊斯兰教徒占多数的印尼。
Propaganda barat ya seperti itu.. Makanya sampai sekarang Singapura yang jauh lebih kecil lebih terkenal dibanding Indonesia karena mereka lebih menginginkan singapura sebagai pengendali ASEAN daripada Indonesia yang mayoritas islam.
西方的宣传就是这样..这就是为什么直到现在，比印尼小得多的新加坡更出名，因为他们更希望新加坡成为东盟的控制者，而不是伊斯兰教徒占多数的印尼。
@briantarigan7685
@edwardhamm5535 Jakarta would still survive, Jakarta is literally the second largest metropolitan area in the world, Indonesia won't abandon it.
雅加达仍将生存，雅加达实际上是世界第二大都市区，印尼不会放弃它。
@edwardhamm5535 Jakarta would still survive, Jakarta is literally the second largest metropolitan area in the world, Indonesia won't abandon it.
雅加达仍将生存，雅加达实际上是世界第二大都市区，印尼不会放弃它。
@ronald3836
It is not the sea level rise that is plaguing Jakarta. The city is literally sinking at a rate of 11 inches per year. Sea level rise is on the order of 11 inch per century, so just 1% of the problem.
不是海平面上升在困扰雅加达。这座城市每年实际上下沉11英寸。海平面上升是每世纪11英寸的量级，所以只是问题的1%。
It is not the sea level rise that is plaguing Jakarta. The city is literally sinking at a rate of 11 inches per year. Sea level rise is on the order of 11 inch per century, so just 1% of the problem.
不是海平面上升在困扰雅加达。这座城市每年实际上下沉11英寸。海平面上升是每世纪11英寸的量级，所以只是问题的1%。
@galihwkwk9957
Bukan saya yang gak setuju dengan rencana pemerintah, menurut saya mana yang lebih efisien membenahi Jakarta, atau memindahkan ibukota ke kota yang sudah ada sebelum nya agar biaya yang dibutuhkan lebih irit, sehingga anggaran negara tidak terfokus ke pembiayaan ibukota baru , karena anggaran yang dibutuhkan sangat besar dikhawatirkan terjadinya praktek korupsi.
我并不是不同意政府的计划，我认为哪个更有效率，是整顿雅加达，还是将首都迁移到之前已有的城市，以便所需成本更加经济，从而使国家预算不专注于资助新首都，因为所需的预算非常大，担心会发生腐败行为。
Bukan saya yang gak setuju dengan rencana pemerintah, menurut saya mana yang lebih efisien membenahi Jakarta, atau memindahkan ibukota ke kota yang sudah ada sebelum nya agar biaya yang dibutuhkan lebih irit, sehingga anggaran negara tidak terfokus ke pembiayaan ibukota baru , karena anggaran yang dibutuhkan sangat besar dikhawatirkan terjadinya praktek korupsi.
我并不是不同意政府的计划，我认为哪个更有效率，是整顿雅加达，还是将首都迁移到之前已有的城市，以便所需成本更加经济，从而使国家预算不专注于资助新首都，因为所需的预算非常大，担心会发生腐败行为。
@nationalistliberal1320
@kingsimba9513 33 billion for a city is not a big amount. We are trillion dollar economy, have some confidence
为一个城市花费330亿美元不是大数目。我们是万亿美元的经济体，要有信心。
@kingsimba9513 33 billion for a city is not a big amount. We are trillion dollar economy, have some confidence
为一个城市花费330亿美元不是大数目。我们是万亿美元的经济体，要有信心。
@masriyan26
Nusantara adalah keseriusan Indonesia untuk menjadi negara maju.
Pemerataan pembangunan yang tidak lagi jawa sentris.
努山达拉是印尼成为发达国家的决心。
不再以爪哇为中心的均衡发展。
Nusantara adalah keseriusan Indonesia untuk menjadi negara maju.
Pemerataan pembangunan yang tidak lagi jawa sentris.
努山达拉是印尼成为发达国家的决心。
不再以爪哇为中心的均衡发展。
@syanyade1260
Oh man, potential/current investors aren't gonna like this
哦，天哪，潜在/现有的投资者不会喜欢这样的。
Oh man, potential/current investors aren't gonna like this
哦，天哪，潜在/现有的投资者不会喜欢这样的。
@agnostikisbetter1893
Investors have their own style to decide, they don’t watch one source and shoot…
投资者有他们自己的决定方式，他们不会只看一个来源就下定论…
Investors have their own style to decide, they don’t watch one source and shoot…
投资者有他们自己的决定方式，他们不会只看一个来源就下定论…
@babehnya69
They are waiting for the new government anyway eh
反正他们在等待新政府，对吧。
They are waiting for the new government anyway eh
反正他们在等待新政府，对吧。
@tntrtswrsmurf
wrong it's actually already sold, friends of mine trying buying it 1 years ago and he said can't buy already sold out, it's politic tactic for prabowo names
错了，实际上已经卖完了，我有个朋友一年前想购买，他说买不到了，已经卖完了，这是普拉博沃的政治策略。
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wrong it's actually already sold, friends of mine trying buying it 1 years ago and he said can't buy already sold out, it's politic tactic for prabowo names
错了，实际上已经卖完了，我有个朋友一年前想购买，他说买不到了，已经卖完了，这是普拉博沃的政治策略。
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@bots102
5:45 that is exactly the plan, to escape Jakarta's problem and its population so they don't have to fear mass protest everytime they pass unpopular laws.
5:45 这正是计划，逃离雅加达的问题和人口，这样他们每次通过不受欢迎的法律时就不必担心大规模抗议。
5:45 that is exactly the plan, to escape Jakarta's problem and its population so they don't have to fear mass protest everytime they pass unpopular laws.
5:45 这正是计划，逃离雅加达的问题和人口，这样他们每次通过不受欢迎的法律时就不必担心大规模抗议。
@Cesco_S
This is why long term strategy in a democracy should be parliamentary and not party or president led…
这就是为什么民主国家的长期战略应该是议会主导，而不是政党或总统主导…
This is why long term strategy in a democracy should be parliamentary and not party or president led…
这就是为什么民主国家的长期战略应该是议会主导，而不是政党或总统主导…
@agnostikisbetter1893
so far ikn already got $ 1.4 billion from local investors. also phase 1 is only government area, no need foreign investors to build it.
到目前为止，IKN已经从当地投资者那里获得了14亿美元。另外，第一阶段只是政府区域，不需要外国投资者来建设。
so far ikn already got $ 1.4 billion from local investors. also phase 1 is only government area, no need foreign investors to build it.
到目前为止，IKN已经从当地投资者那里获得了14亿美元。另外，第一阶段只是政府区域，不需要外国投资者来建设。
@kaimargonar1000
Then why they ferociously market it for foreign investor for years? Even said they were lining up to invest but in the end nope.
那么，为什么他们多年来一直猛烈地向外国投资者推销它？甚至说他们排队投资，但最后没有。
Then why they ferociously market it for foreign investor for years? Even said they were lining up to invest but in the end nope.
那么，为什么他们多年来一直猛烈地向外国投资者推销它？甚至说他们排队投资，但最后没有。
@rozakfassah7730
The sustained political will from the next government seems quite low and despite the political incentives for legislators being away from most citizens concerns, the move to Nusantara also makes them away from the luxury and connectivity that they have been enjoying in Jakarta, therefore so many times we have the news on legislators or officials pushing back the date of relocation to Nusantara.
下一届政府持续的政治意愿似乎相当低，尽管立法者远离大多数公民关注的政治激励，迁往努山达拉也使他们远离了他们在雅加达享受的奢侈和连通性，因此我们多次看到有关立法者或官员推迟迁往努山达拉的日期的新闻。
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The sustained political will from the next government seems quite low and despite the political incentives for legislators being away from most citizens concerns, the move to Nusantara also makes them away from the luxury and connectivity that they have been enjoying in Jakarta, therefore so many times we have the news on legislators or officials pushing back the date of relocation to Nusantara.
下一届政府持续的政治意愿似乎相当低，尽管立法者远离大多数公民关注的政治激励，迁往努山达拉也使他们远离了他们在雅加达享受的奢侈和连通性，因此我们多次看到有关立法者或官员推迟迁往努山达拉的日期的新闻。
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@leodeldominguiano2162
most of all capital started from nothing like tokyo,nanjing to Beijing, new york(old capital), Washington, rio de rio de jeneiro, better not to talk while it's still building
从东京、南京到北京、纽约（老首都）、华盛顿、里约热内卢，大多数首都都是白手起家，最好不要在它还在建设的时候就谈论它。
most of all capital started from nothing like tokyo,nanjing to Beijing, new york(old capital), Washington, rio de rio de jeneiro, better not to talk while it's still building
从东京、南京到北京、纽约（老首都）、华盛顿、里约热内卢，大多数首都都是白手起家，最好不要在它还在建设的时候就谈论它。
@AltianoGerung
Well i guess all of us including me can only speculate, time will tell after all
我想我们所有人，包括我自己，都只能猜测，时间最终会告诉我们。
Well i guess all of us including me can only speculate, time will tell after all
我想我们所有人，包括我自己，都只能猜测，时间最终会告诉我们。
@p4l4d1n7
We the Dutch could have warned them decades ago that it was a bad idea.
我们荷兰人几十年前就可以警告他们这是个坏主意。
We the Dutch could have warned them decades ago that it was a bad idea.
我们荷兰人几十年前就可以警告他们这是个坏主意。
@Excellent135
To be fair, the colonial administration wanted to move the capital to Bandung. But then the Japanese came.
公平地说，殖民政府本想将首都迁至万隆。但后来日本人来了。
To be fair, the colonial administration wanted to move the capital to Bandung. But then the Japanese came.
公平地说，殖民政府本想将首都迁至万隆。但后来日本人来了。
@ronald3836
@Excellent135 Was Jakarta sinking into the sea already a problem then?
那时候雅加达下沉到海里已经是问题了吗？
@Excellent135 Was Jakarta sinking into the sea already a problem then?
那时候雅加达下沉到海里已经是问题了吗？
@PraiseworthyNobleman
If you want to know, we really wish the indonesian government was run by the Dutch instead of our own incompetent and self-serving local officials.
如果你想知道，我们真的希望印尼政府由荷兰人管理，而不是我们自己无能且自私的地方官员。
If you want to know, we really wish the indonesian government was run by the Dutch instead of our own incompetent and self-serving local officials.
如果你想知道，我们真的希望印尼政府由荷兰人管理，而不是我们自己无能且自私的地方官员。
@muhammadakrambasuki1404
@ronald3836 not really, because the sewage and the river are wide enough when they build the first city batavia. Jakarta problem is that the surrounding land around batavia is a swamp and rice field.
并不是真的，因为在他们建造第一个城市巴达维亚时，下水道和河流已经足够宽了。雅加达的问题是巴达维亚周围的土地是沼泽和稻田。
@ronald3836 not really, because the sewage and the river are wide enough when they build the first city batavia. Jakarta problem is that the surrounding land around batavia is a swamp and rice field.
并不是真的，因为在他们建造第一个城市巴达维亚时，下水道和河流已经足够宽了。雅加达的问题是巴达维亚周围的土地是沼泽和稻田。
@hafizilmi7255
It's very true that until this date no foreign investors are participating in building our capital city, and you know what I think this is very good.
All construction is funded and done 100% by Indonesia, this is the time for us to be self-reliance as we're the fourth most populous country in the world with 280 million people.
It's time for our rise, together we can
直到今天，确实没有外国投资者参与建设我们的首都，而且你知道吗，我认为这是非常好的。
所有的建设都是由印尼100%资助和完成的，作为世界第四人口大国，拥有2.8亿人口，现在是我们应该自力更生的时候了。
是时候我们一起崛起了
It's very true that until this date no foreign investors are participating in building our capital city, and you know what I think this is very good.
All construction is funded and done 100% by Indonesia, this is the time for us to be self-reliance as we're the fourth most populous country in the world with 280 million people.
It's time for our rise, together we can
直到今天，确实没有外国投资者参与建设我们的首都，而且你知道吗，我认为这是非常好的。
所有的建设都是由印尼100%资助和完成的，作为世界第四人口大国，拥有2.8亿人口，现在是我们应该自力更生的时候了。
是时候我们一起崛起了
@dzaki8331
A new capital which in the future would be a center for government operate the whole country and very sensitive area, yet they want foreign Investment to invest in and pay the whole cost, seems like this country can't afford it
一个将来会成为政府运作全国的中心和非常敏感的区域的新首都，然而他们却希望外国投资来投资并支付全部费用，看起来这个国家负担不起。
A new capital which in the future would be a center for government operate the whole country and very sensitive area, yet they want foreign Investment to invest in and pay the whole cost, seems like this country can't afford it
一个将来会成为政府运作全国的中心和非常敏感的区域的新首都，然而他们却希望外国投资来投资并支付全部费用，看起来这个国家负担不起。
@sandiego764
The US could've funded over 5 of these cities with what it has sent to Ukraine alone
美国仅向乌克兰提供的援助就足以资助五座以上的这类城市。
The US could've funded over 5 of these cities with what it has sent to Ukraine alone
美国仅向乌克兰提供的援助就足以资助五座以上的这类城市。
@seansh8485
why you are concerned that indonesia people will disconnected to their parlement, at the same moment you show display of chaos protes :)) .... west narative always like that, they dont want developing country to develop like theirs....
为什么你担心印尼人民会与他们的议会脱节，同时你却展示混乱的抗议活动：）......西方的叙事总是这样，他们不希望发展中国家像他们一样发展......
why you are concerned that indonesia people will disconnected to their parlement, at the same moment you show display of chaos protes :)) .... west narative always like that, they dont want developing country to develop like theirs....
为什么你担心印尼人民会与他们的议会脱节，同时你却展示混乱的抗议活动：）......西方的叙事总是这样，他们不希望发展中国家像他们一样发展......
@rezakhairul6137
The country have a huge population, so it will become a city, but not as a dream (renewables, green, compact) it will just like other city in Indonesia. Even if built, I doubt that it will be maintained well.
这个国家有庞大的人口，所以它将变成一个城市，但不会像梦想中的那样（可再生能源、绿色、紧凑），它只会像印尼其他城市一样。即使建成，我怀疑它是否能维护得好。
The country have a huge population, so it will become a city, but not as a dream (renewables, green, compact) it will just like other city in Indonesia. Even if built, I doubt that it will be maintained well.
这个国家有庞大的人口，所以它将变成一个城市，但不会像梦想中的那样（可再生能源、绿色、紧凑），它只会像印尼其他城市一样。即使建成，我怀疑它是否能维护得好。
@FlosBlog
Why is building a city in the middle of nowhere such a trend among developing countries right now?
为什么在偏远地区建设城市是现在发展中国家的一种趋势？
Why is building a city in the middle of nowhere such a trend among developing countries right now?
为什么在偏远地区建设城市是现在发展中国家的一种趋势？
@evanrsl
i think this video will make more investors avoid investing in the new capital
我认为这个视频会让更多投资者避免在新首都投资。
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i think this video will make more investors avoid investing in the new capital
我认为这个视频会让更多投资者避免在新首都投资。
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@roblox737mbll5
Imagine Myanmar and North Korea is jus 2% of Indonesia's economy yet they are able to built cities out of nowhere. This is a 1.7 trillion dollar economy for God's sake not developing.
想象一下，缅甸和朝鲜的经济规模仅占印尼经济的2%，尽管如此，它们仍然能够凭空建造城市。毕竟，印尼是一个拥有1.7万亿美元经济体量的国家，它并不是一个发展中国家。
Imagine Myanmar and North Korea is jus 2% of Indonesia's economy yet they are able to built cities out of nowhere. This is a 1.7 trillion dollar economy for God's sake not developing.
想象一下，缅甸和朝鲜的经济规模仅占印尼经济的2%，尽管如此，它们仍然能够凭空建造城市。毕竟，印尼是一个拥有1.7万亿美元经济体量的国家，它并不是一个发展中国家。
@Finally23
The negative side is all finance will go to build a new capital.If there is corruption in your country, it will never ending construction.I am from Kazakstan, we are facing with it.
负面影响是所有的资金都会用于建设新首都。如果你的国家存在腐败，那么建设将永无止境。我来自哈萨克斯坦，我们正面临这样的问题。
The negative side is all finance will go to build a new capital.If there is corruption in your country, it will never ending construction.I am from Kazakstan, we are facing with it.
负面影响是所有的资金都会用于建设新首都。如果你的国家存在腐败，那么建设将永无止境。我来自哈萨克斯坦，我们正面临这样的问题。
@WarzoneOfficial22789
Jangan samakan Indonesia dengan negaramu.. Indonesia negara besar yang memiliki penghasilan dari berbagai sektor. Bahkan kapasitas manufaktur Indonesia berada diperingkat 10 secara global itu data dari bank dunia, Dan itu akan terus bertambah karena sekarang banyak proyek pembangunan pabrik2 dan smelter secara massif diseluruh Indonesia.
不要将印尼与你的国家相提并论...印尼是一个大国，拥有各个行业收入。甚至印尼的制造业能力在全球排名第10，这是世界银行的数据，而且随着现在大规模工厂建设和冶炼项目遍布印尼，这一数字将继续增长。
Jangan samakan Indonesia dengan negaramu.. Indonesia negara besar yang memiliki penghasilan dari berbagai sektor. Bahkan kapasitas manufaktur Indonesia berada diperingkat 10 secara global itu data dari bank dunia, Dan itu akan terus bertambah karena sekarang banyak proyek pembangunan pabrik2 dan smelter secara massif diseluruh Indonesia.
不要将印尼与你的国家相提并论...印尼是一个大国，拥有各个行业收入。甚至印尼的制造业能力在全球排名第10，这是世界银行的数据，而且随着现在大规模工厂建设和冶炼项目遍布印尼，这一数字将继续增长。
@kucingoyen1
@WarzoneOfficial22789 intinya sama, korupsi yg marak bisa jadi penghambat
总之是一样的，普遍的腐败可能成为阻碍。
@WarzoneOfficial22789 intinya sama, korupsi yg marak bisa jadi penghambat
总之是一样的，普遍的腐败可能成为阻碍。
@bedhenis
But indonesia is 7th due to GDP PPP. Making something is needs purchasing power.
Number in paper just a number until you buy something. That is why, GDP / capita not used as purchasing capability.
So, in term how powerful is indonesia to buy or making something (GDP PPP) indonesia not considered as poor country. In fact, it is one of the strongest country.
但印尼由于GDP PPP排名第七。制造东西需要购买力。
纸上的数字只是数字，直到你买东西。这就是为什么，人均GDP不作为购买能力使用。
所以，在印尼购买或制造东西的能力（GDP PPP）方面，印尼不被认为是穷国。事实上，它是最强大的国家之一。
But indonesia is 7th due to GDP PPP. Making something is needs purchasing power.
Number in paper just a number until you buy something. That is why, GDP / capita not used as purchasing capability.
So, in term how powerful is indonesia to buy or making something (GDP PPP) indonesia not considered as poor country. In fact, it is one of the strongest country.
但印尼由于GDP PPP排名第七。制造东西需要购买力。
纸上的数字只是数字，直到你买东西。这就是为什么，人均GDP不作为购买能力使用。
所以，在印尼购买或制造东西的能力（GDP PPP）方面，印尼不被认为是穷国。事实上，它是最强大的国家之一。
@kingsimba9513
@bedhenis that's only GDP. If it's per capita PPP then they're still 96th, which is lower than quite a few African nations.
那只是GDP。如果是人均PPP，那么它们仍然是第96位，这比一些非洲国家还要低。
@bedhenis that's only GDP. If it's per capita PPP then they're still 96th, which is lower than quite a few African nations.
那只是GDP。如果是人均PPP，那么它们仍然是第96位，这比一些非洲国家还要低。
@bedhenis
@kingsimba9513 in term capability government to making or buying something is using GDP PPP.
在政府制造或购买东西的能力方面是使用GDP PPP。
@kingsimba9513 in term capability government to making or buying something is using GDP PPP.
在政府制造或购买东西的能力方面是使用GDP PPP。
@buddy1155
They can give a fraction of the money to the Dutch and we will fix the problem with Jakarta.
他们可以给荷兰人一小部分钱，我们将解决雅加达的问题。
They can give a fraction of the money to the Dutch and we will fix the problem with Jakarta.
他们可以给荷兰人一小部分钱，我们将解决雅加达的问题。
@kingsimba9513
@bedhenis yes but OPs point is that it shouldn't cost $33 billion given that Indonesia is a cheap country on a per capita basis. So either they're embezzling funds or they're making it grander than it has to be (aka a vanity project).
是的，但发帖者的观点是，考虑到印尼人均收入很低，它不应该花费330亿美元。所以要么是他们在挪用资金，要么是他们正在把它做得比实际需要的更加宏伟（也就是一个虚荣项目）。
@bedhenis yes but OPs point is that it shouldn't cost $33 billion given that Indonesia is a cheap country on a per capita basis. So either they're embezzling funds or they're making it grander than it has to be (aka a vanity project).
是的，但发帖者的观点是，考虑到印尼人均收入很低，它不应该花费330亿美元。所以要么是他们在挪用资金，要么是他们正在把它做得比实际需要的更加宏伟（也就是一个虚荣项目）。
@bedhenis
@kingsimba9513 no, not that cheap. A lot of stuff is more expensive than our neighborhood countries. But i agree with you about corruption. It is like a vampire thats ruin our economy.
不，没有那么便宜。很多东西比我们的邻国更贵。但我同意你关于腐败的看法。它就像一个吸血鬼，破坏了我们的经济。
@kingsimba9513 no, not that cheap. A lot of stuff is more expensive than our neighborhood countries. But i agree with you about corruption. It is like a vampire thats ruin our economy.
不，没有那么便宜。很多东西比我们的邻国更贵。但我同意你关于腐败的看法。它就像一个吸血鬼，破坏了我们的经济。
@agnostikisbetter1893
If you’re talking about nation wealth, indonesia is way rich than malaysia
如果你在谈论国家财富，印尼比马来西亚要富有得多。
If you’re talking about nation wealth, indonesia is way rich than malaysia
如果你在谈论国家财富，印尼比马来西亚要富有得多。
@Yusef-uh4wl
Did u know malaysia spent $100 billion and it was a failure? Indonesia could use malaysias method as the last resort if it cant raise money: ask china to build
你知道吗，马来西亚花了1000亿美元却失败了？如果印尼筹集不到资金，可以作为最后的手段使用马来西亚的方法：请求中国来建造。
Did u know malaysia spent $100 billion and it was a failure? Indonesia could use malaysias method as the last resort if it cant raise money: ask china to build
你知道吗，马来西亚花了1000亿美元却失败了？如果印尼筹集不到资金，可以作为最后的手段使用马来西亚的方法：请求中国来建造。
@joMan1060
Indonesia poor ?
Indonesia GDP percapita is in the catagory of Middle High Income, same like Thailand and Malaysia.
Indonesia gdp is 1.4 trillion, the country have alot of money.
You celarly dont know basic econony
印尼穷？
印尼的人均GDP属于中高收入类别，和泰国、马来西亚一样。
印尼的GDP是1.4万亿美元，这个国家有很多钱。
你显然不懂基本经济。
Indonesia poor ?
Indonesia GDP percapita is in the catagory of Middle High Income, same like Thailand and Malaysia.
Indonesia gdp is 1.4 trillion, the country have alot of money.
You celarly dont know basic econony
印尼穷？
印尼的人均GDP属于中高收入类别，和泰国、马来西亚一样。
印尼的GDP是1.4万亿美元，这个国家有很多钱。
你显然不懂基本经济。
@joMan1060
@kingsimba9513 Indonesia GDP PPP is 7th in the world... you clearly dont know anything about Indo
印尼的GDP PPP在世界上排名第七... 你显然对印尼一无所知。
@kingsimba9513 Indonesia GDP PPP is 7th in the world... you clearly dont know anything about Indo
印尼的GDP PPP在世界上排名第七... 你显然对印尼一无所知。
@axelvandijk6423
The current president is like Louis xiV of France, building his own Versailles. It's only his legacy project, and the country turnback toward facist far-right autocratic rules of the 2nd president.
现任总统就像法国的路易十四，建造自己的凡尔赛宫。这只是他的遗产项目，国家又回到了第二任总统的法西斯极右翼独裁统治。
The current president is like Louis xiV of France, building his own Versailles. It's only his legacy project, and the country turnback toward facist far-right autocratic rules of the 2nd president.
现任总统就像法国的路易十四，建造自己的凡尔赛宫。这只是他的遗产项目，国家又回到了第二任总统的法西斯极右翼独裁统治。
@susantocp
Overly ambitious IMO. The first term of Jokowi was quite good. But then... Something changed. He has been very focused on building his dynasty. This project can be a success, but it should take more time.
我认为过于雄心勃勃。佐科维的第一个任期相当好。但后来... 有些东西变了。他一直非常专注于建立自己的王朝。这个项目可以成功，但应该需要更多时间。
Overly ambitious IMO. The first term of Jokowi was quite good. But then... Something changed. He has been very focused on building his dynasty. This project can be a success, but it should take more time.
我认为过于雄心勃勃。佐科维的第一个任期相当好。但后来... 有些东西变了。他一直非常专注于建立自己的王朝。这个项目可以成功，但应该需要更多时间。
@RihannaCarlaMorgan
I thought they're very very rich and G20 country so they must not have any financial problems at all hahaha
我原以为他们非常非常富有，是G20国家，所以他们肯定没有任何财务问题，哈哈。
I thought they're very very rich and G20 country so they must not have any financial problems at all hahaha
我原以为他们非常非常富有，是G20国家，所以他们肯定没有任何财务问题，哈哈。
@prince_ofori
@Yusef-uh4wl I hope it isn't a vanity project either but most cities with smart and green in their descxtions usially fail. I don't think they're building affordable housing there either so rent won't be cheaper plus the smart, green tags could inflate the pricing of real estate. If the best option is not to build dikes to hold back the sea but a new city else where, I think it would have been cheaper to build a simple charming walkable city like Brandevoort.
我希望它也不是一个虚荣的项目，但大多数在描述中带有智能和绿色标签的城市通常都会失败。我不认为他们在那里建造了经济适用房，所以租金不会更便宜，加上智能、绿色标签可能会推高房地产价格。如果最好的选择不是建造堤坝来阻挡海水，而是在别处建造一个新城市，我认为建造一个像布兰德沃特这样的简单迷人的步行城市会更便宜。
@Yusef-uh4wl I hope it isn't a vanity project either but most cities with smart and green in their descxtions usially fail. I don't think they're building affordable housing there either so rent won't be cheaper plus the smart, green tags could inflate the pricing of real estate. If the best option is not to build dikes to hold back the sea but a new city else where, I think it would have been cheaper to build a simple charming walkable city like Brandevoort.
我希望它也不是一个虚荣的项目，但大多数在描述中带有智能和绿色标签的城市通常都会失败。我不认为他们在那里建造了经济适用房，所以租金不会更便宜，加上智能、绿色标签可能会推高房地产价格。如果最好的选择不是建造堤坝来阻挡海水，而是在别处建造一个新城市，我认为建造一个像布兰德沃特这样的简单迷人的步行城市会更便宜。
@prince_ofori
@agnostikisbetter1893 It's a metaphor for how the Dutch reclaimed land from the sea with dikes.
这是荷兰人用堤坝从海中围海造地的比喻。
@agnostikisbetter1893 It's a metaphor for how the Dutch reclaimed land from the sea with dikes.
这是荷兰人用堤坝从海中围海造地的比喻。
@WarzoneOfficial22789
@prince_ofori Anda tidak tau apa2 tentang Indonesia mending diam.. Dan saya yakin anda tidak pernah menginjakkan kaki di Indonesia. Banyak traveller dari barat yang kaget karena gambaran jakarta atau Indonesia tidak sesuai dengan pemberitaan media mereka. Jakarta begitu modern megacity yang memiliki 200 mall.
你根本不了解印尼，所以闭嘴吧... 我敢肯定你从未踏足过印尼。许多西方游客对雅加达或印尼的印象与媒体报道不符，因此感到震惊。雅加达是一个拥有 200 个购物中心的现代化大都市。
@prince_ofori Anda tidak tau apa2 tentang Indonesia mending diam.. Dan saya yakin anda tidak pernah menginjakkan kaki di Indonesia. Banyak traveller dari barat yang kaget karena gambaran jakarta atau Indonesia tidak sesuai dengan pemberitaan media mereka. Jakarta begitu modern megacity yang memiliki 200 mall.
你根本不了解印尼，所以闭嘴吧... 我敢肯定你从未踏足过印尼。许多西方游客对雅加达或印尼的印象与媒体报道不符，因此感到震惊。雅加达是一个拥有 200 个购物中心的现代化大都市。
@joMan1060
@prince_ofori you clearly know nothing of this project and commenting...
Do you even know Jakarta problem bro ? Other then sinking is also over population... this new capital will eliviate some Jakarta problem...
你对这个项目显然一无所知，还在评论...
你知道雅加达的问题吗，兄弟？除了下沉，还有人口过剩...这个新首都将缓解一些雅加达的问题...
@prince_ofori you clearly know nothing of this project and commenting...
Do you even know Jakarta problem bro ? Other then sinking is also over population... this new capital will eliviate some Jakarta problem...
你对这个项目显然一无所知，还在评论...
你知道雅加达的问题吗，兄弟？除了下沉，还有人口过剩...这个新首都将缓解一些雅加达的问题...
Do you know why Jakarta sinking ? Mainly because too many people pumping ground water and make the land sink.... and yes, Jakarta will build giant sea wall aswell..
你知道为什么雅加达会下沉吗？主要是因为太多人抽取地下水导致地面下沉....而且，雅加达也会建造巨大的海堤...
你知道为什么雅加达会下沉吗？主要是因为太多人抽取地下水导致地面下沉....而且，雅加达也会建造巨大的海堤...
@Jem_Apple
It's very hard to believe that Indonesia is still in this position. The US imposed Jakarta method took 50 years at least from the development of the nation. 2 million Indonesian patriots, among them a significant portion of the most well educated people, killed so that the USA could exploit the country...
很难相信印尼仍然处于这样的境地。美国强加的雅加达方式至少延缓了国家发展50年。为了美国能够剥削这个国家，有200万印尼爱国者被杀害，其中包含了相当一部分受过最好教育的人……
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It's very hard to believe that Indonesia is still in this position. The US imposed Jakarta method took 50 years at least from the development of the nation. 2 million Indonesian patriots, among them a significant portion of the most well educated people, killed so that the USA could exploit the country...
很难相信印尼仍然处于这样的境地。美国强加的雅加达方式至少延缓了国家发展50年。为了美国能够剥削这个国家，有200万印尼爱国者被杀害，其中包含了相当一部分受过最好教育的人……
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Indonesia is roughly the size of the US in population and it's absolutely massive with incredible resources. It should be rank 6,7 or 9 in global GDP by now, not 17th. All this misery because a few US corporations didn't want the country nationalising their resources
印度尼西亚的人口规模大致与美国相当，它拥有惊人的资源，非常庞大。现在它应该在全球GDP排名中位于6、7或9位，而不是第17位。所有这些痛苦都是因为一些美国公司不希望该国国有化他们的资源。
印度尼西亚的人口规模大致与美国相当，它拥有惊人的资源，非常庞大。现在它应该在全球GDP排名中位于6、7或9位，而不是第17位。所有这些痛苦都是因为一些美国公司不希望该国国有化他们的资源。
@marktrinidad7650
When the western MSM said its a bad idea. You know its a good idea. So Indonesia just shut up and keep on building and be efficient on it.
当西方主流媒体说这是一个糟糕的主意时。你就应该知道这是一个好主意。所以印度尼西亚就闭嘴，继续建造，并且要高效。
When the western MSM said its a bad idea. You know its a good idea. So Indonesia just shut up and keep on building and be efficient on it.
当西方主流媒体说这是一个糟糕的主意时。你就应该知道这是一个好主意。所以印度尼西亚就闭嘴，继续建造，并且要高效。
@kingsimba9513
They've been looking for funding since 2019 and are still falling short. That's a pretty big fking red sign for any prospective investor.
自2019年以来，他们一直在寻找资金，但仍然不足。对于任何潜在的投资者来说，这是一个非常明显的警示信号。
They've been looking for funding since 2019 and are still falling short. That's a pretty big fking red sign for any prospective investor.
自2019年以来，他们一直在寻找资金，但仍然不足。对于任何潜在的投资者来说，这是一个非常明显的警示信号。
@andipejalan3382
Did you know local investor already spending more than 20 T In IKN? there are many project by local investor in progress such as Hotel, Hospital, Superblock, School etc. Phase 1 2022-2024 is focus on KIPP Area with basic infrastructure needed. So why no foreign investor now? Because the area is not ready yet. In 2nd phase , IKN Authority will prepare anything needed for foreign investor to invest in IKN. Including detail masterplan.
你知道当地投资者已经在IKN投入了超过20万亿吗？当地投资者正在进行许多项目，如酒店、医院、超级街区、学校等。第一阶段2022-2024年将专注于KIPP地区所需的基础设施。那么为什么现在没有外国投资者呢？因为该地区还没有准备好。在第二阶段，IKN管理局将为外国投资者在IKN投资准备所需的一切，包括详细的总体规划。
Did you know local investor already spending more than 20 T In IKN? there are many project by local investor in progress such as Hotel, Hospital, Superblock, School etc. Phase 1 2022-2024 is focus on KIPP Area with basic infrastructure needed. So why no foreign investor now? Because the area is not ready yet. In 2nd phase , IKN Authority will prepare anything needed for foreign investor to invest in IKN. Including detail masterplan.
你知道当地投资者已经在IKN投入了超过20万亿吗？当地投资者正在进行许多项目，如酒店、医院、超级街区、学校等。第一阶段2022-2024年将专注于KIPP地区所需的基础设施。那么为什么现在没有外国投资者呢？因为该地区还没有准备好。在第二阶段，IKN管理局将为外国投资者在IKN投资准备所需的一切，包括详细的总体规划。
@kingsimba9513
@andipejalan3382 WOW 20 T. Good job, now they just need 500 T more.
哇，20万亿。做得好，现在他们只需要再增加500万亿。
@andipejalan3382 WOW 20 T. Good job, now they just need 500 T more.
哇，20万亿。做得好，现在他们只需要再增加500万亿。
@iamtg1
It looks more like an amusement park than a capital city.
它看起来更像一个游乐园而不是一个首都城市。
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It looks more like an amusement park than a capital city.
它看起来更像一个游乐园而不是一个首都城市。
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@romans6two338
All I see is a huge waste of cutting down trees and ruining the environment and waste of money.
我看到的只是大量砍伐树木、破坏环境和浪费金钱。
All I see is a huge waste of cutting down trees and ruining the environment and waste of money.
我看到的只是大量砍伐树木、破坏环境和浪费金钱。
@dreameisters
"If you look at Indonesia on the map, you can see it's all about corruption and nepotism"
"如果你在地图上看印尼，你可以看到它到处都是腐败和裙带关系"
"If you look at Indonesia on the map, you can see it's all about corruption and nepotism"
"如果你在地图上看印尼，你可以看到它到处都是腐败和裙带关系"
@zumabbar
Jakarta as the center of everything in Indonesia is too entangled to be resolved. Only 1/5 of the city population doesn't mean anything when you take into account people from surrounding districts and city also commute down/midtown for work and recreation. This is falling very short of the hope to relax the city's traffic and improving its quality of life. Especially for traffic, there's only so much lane, highways, or public transportation you can add before the physical space itself becomes too constraining.
雅加达作为印尼一切的中心，其复杂性难以解决。只有五分之一的城市人口并不意味着什么，当你考虑到来自周边地区和城市的人也通勤到市中心/市区工作和娱乐。这远远没有达到缓解城市交通和提高生活质量的希望。特别是对于交通，在你增加车道、高速公路或公共交通之前，物理空间本身就会变得过于受限。
Jakarta as the center of everything in Indonesia is too entangled to be resolved. Only 1/5 of the city population doesn't mean anything when you take into account people from surrounding districts and city also commute down/midtown for work and recreation. This is falling very short of the hope to relax the city's traffic and improving its quality of life. Especially for traffic, there's only so much lane, highways, or public transportation you can add before the physical space itself becomes too constraining.
雅加达作为印尼一切的中心，其复杂性难以解决。只有五分之一的城市人口并不意味着什么，当你考虑到来自周边地区和城市的人也通勤到市中心/市区工作和娱乐。这远远没有达到缓解城市交通和提高生活质量的希望。特别是对于交通，在你增加车道、高速公路或公共交通之前，物理空间本身就会变得过于受限。
And then there were rumours the national (federal?) governing members do not want to relocate to Nusantara in the near future. The audacity?!?!
然后有传言说国家（联邦？）政府成员不想在近期迁往努山塔拉。真是胆大包天？！！！
然后有传言说国家（联邦？）政府成员不想在近期迁往努山塔拉。真是胆大包天？！！！
@navajyotichetia8968
Building a capital city isn't a investment matter- but a requisition. Command government funds for the government official infrastructure, and let the "investors" Come looking for opportunities.
建造一个首都城市不是投资问题，而是一项征用。指挥政府资金用于政府官方基础设施，让“投资者”来寻找机会。
Building a capital city isn't a investment matter- but a requisition. Command government funds for the government official infrastructure, and let the "investors" Come looking for opportunities.
建造一个首都城市不是投资问题，而是一项征用。指挥政府资金用于政府官方基础设施，让“投资者”来寻找机会。
@sahrulapriza
BE CAREFUL WITH WESTERN MEDIA BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS CARRY OUT PROPAGANDA AND DONT WANT INDONESIA TO BECOME A DEVELOPED COUNTRY !!!
要小心西方媒体，因为他们总是进行宣传，不想让印尼成为一个发达国家！！
BE CAREFUL WITH WESTERN MEDIA BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS CARRY OUT PROPAGANDA AND DONT WANT INDONESIA TO BECOME A DEVELOPED COUNTRY !!!
要小心西方媒体，因为他们总是进行宣传，不想让印尼成为一个发达国家！！
@kingsimba9513
You're right, spending $33+ billion on this worthless project is much better than using it to address more serious issues like, oh I don't know, corruption, healthcare, and education. Or is Indonesia already too developed in those areas?
你说得对，花330亿美元在这个毫无价值的项目上，比用它来解决更严重的问题要好得多，比如，我不知道，腐败、医疗保健和教育。还是印尼在这些领域已经太发达了？
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You're right, spending $33+ billion on this worthless project is much better than using it to address more serious issues like, oh I don't know, corruption, healthcare, and education. Or is Indonesia already too developed in those areas?
你说得对，花330亿美元在这个毫无价值的项目上，比用它来解决更严重的问题要好得多，比如，我不知道，腐败、医疗保健和教育。还是印尼在这些领域已经太发达了？
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@ronald3836
We would love to see Indonesia turn into a success story like post-war Japan and South Korea, and see more aspects of Indonesian culture enter Western culture.
我们希望看到印尼像战后的日本和韩国一样成为一个成功的故事，并看到更多的印尼文化方面进入西方文化。
We would love to see Indonesia turn into a success story like post-war Japan and South Korea, and see more aspects of Indonesian culture enter Western culture.
我们希望看到印尼像战后的日本和韩国一样成为一个成功的故事，并看到更多的印尼文化方面进入西方文化。
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